5:41 There is another reason. Speed. B&M Doesn't like to stress their brakes that much, you can see this on nearly all their large scale rides. So instead of slamming to a stop, they have the train hit the brakes at a lower speed. They do this on their Giga's by raising the height of the brake run. Orion and Levi are shorter in length, so they carry more speed into the brake run. That's why their brake runs are that much taller compared to Fury 325. Fury has a much longer layout, so it doesn't carry the same amount of speed into the brake run.
@@XscreamThrills Also on what F-4Ace said, these redundant safety systems has yielded them a perfect safety record. Think about it, have you ever heard of B&M trains colliding? Nope never. They may have had one bump on occasion but nothing that resulted in injuries. On the other hand I'm sure you've noticed with other manufactures we've come in approaching the station very hot! As a result they've had their issues with collisions. By judging their track record I really do believe B&M places safety above all else. If it can't be done safely, I don't think they would do it.
@@oblivieon1567 Valravn had a low-speed collision during its debut year, if I'm not mistaken. It features their modern, angled brake run design as well.
@@zach_light7816 agreed, just a little tiny bit taller and the whole "its not a giga" thing wouldve never happened. I mean I understand steel costs went up because of this stupid "Trade War" with China, but it should've been 300 feet tall with a 313 foot drop keeping the bottom of the drop in the ravine.
My guess for the long break runs is, that they function as individual blocks allowing for more trains to operate, also having the break run that high off the ground reduces the amount of energy the breaks have to absorb. If KI had a certain budget for Orion available B&M couldn't have made the ride longer to lose more momentum so they went with a tall break run to reduce maintenance costs.
@@PSmovieProductions Fury has a transfer track before the lift which stops a train from going onto the lift until another train hits a sensor under the hive dive that allows a train to go on the lift
Yeah all in all it just seems like they wanted this coaster just so they can say they have a ''giga coaster'' and can attract many people. But it's just a very short coaster, If they just made the coaster a lot less tall they could probably make it a lot longer and add more special elements
I’ve heard that B&M has the ability to do inversions on their hyper/giga models, but just haven’t yet. I’m not sure how true that is but I love the inclusion of it here.
The train could do it. But the restraints would have to be changed so that if the ride loses speed and ends up dangling upside-down, riders would not fall out. I can say with how I ride the clamshell restraints, I would not be safe😂 The reason they don't do this is because it completely recategorizes the ride in the eyes of normal riders and puts a limit on potential ridership
Krista as a self proclaimed KI fanboy, I just want to say not all of us are like that, just the extremely loud minority. I am just happy we are getting one it doesn’t have to be record breaking, just fill the line up.
Brandon not really, most of the expenses in steel come from the supports, so if u were to have a 350 drop and then stay low to the ground, it could be longer & cheaper than fury
I definitely like your layout much better. Even though I think the actual layout will be good, yours is much more interesting, especially with that inversion.
This layout is flawless. If this was the actual layout for Orion this will be the only giga in the world for anyone to break the record for a while. Great job.👍
The break runs are like that for two reasons one being a fail safe if the mid course fails and the other being that it is easier to put the trains away at night
They do the long break runs for capacity. The lock runs are long because they have an extra block that the train will just clear as another clears the lift. Banshee also has the extra long break run because there's an extra block in the back, and that's how they avoid adding a MCBR.
I think that Orion is going to be one of the most underrated coasters opening this year because height is not everything and you can see that with mystic timbers one of the other coasters in the park
Can B&M hire you....i wish your design was the actual layout its different from the other gigas it offers more elements and to be able to market the only giga with an iversion and the highest incersion wich kennywood just broke would be awesome
On the version you made that doesn’t go inverted looked pretty cool. If the right to left turn was at the peak of the hill you might be able to get some good laterals and airtime
I think my biggest gripe with Orion is the "wave turn," mostly because it's what people are praising so much. It's really not a wave turn at all, it's an over-banked turn. Wave turns bow outwards (see L-rod for a good example), creating airtime. This turn curves inwards, reducing airtime. At the very least they shouldn't be in the same category. That turn's not even going to pull 0g. It physically can't.
I'm not gonna lie, after the sick outer bank, I prefer orion's layout. it has that fun factor that b&m's are known for. the inversion feels unnecessary and after that this layout is honestly kinda just millennium force but short. the only thing I'd change from the original would be that first wave turn into an outerbank, and then maybe cut the shambhala helix and replace it with something a little quicker and maybe lower to the ground (because most of the expenses of a coaster come from the supports) and make the final dip touch the ground. edit: also the spine isn't that thick after the lift/drop, just use the medium spine instead of the large one
Idk what version I like better actually. Yours is good as well but Orion is so super well designed in my opinion, I really like the layout. A extra hill would've definitely helped but it looks really solid still.
I’ll be going to Kings Island next year, as a coaster fan from Florida, it’ll be either my 3rd or 4th giga since I’ll be doing I-305 and Fury in the spring and don’t know if I’ll be going to here or cedar point first, but as someone that doesn’t have very big coasters other than Mako, and soon to be Iron Gwazi, looking forward to riding all of these next year, as Florida is filled with B&M’s and Mako is my number 2 after riding Lightning Rod the other day.
Your version is by far better. There is no engineering feat to the reason B&M utilities longer break runs -- other than allowing for more train dispatching, less decelerated G's and less blocks throughout the course of the ride, especially high speed hyper coasters. All coaster designers know this.
I love the idea of remodeling this coaster, but seeing it in person, Orion is going to pull some pretty good forces! The second hill looks to only be about 1/2 to 3/5 the height of the first hill, making it capable for some serious verticles. The speed hill immediately following the turn around looks great as well. The helix is going to be taken at pretty fast speeds, so expect some gs there as well. Overall the original coaster has some good looking elements packed into a small layout.
@@XscreamThrillsI sometimes wonder if it had been built before Diamondback if it would have had better reception. Albeit short, it has good elements. Especially that first left dive.
I see what you were going for but it felt like it was just Hill Right turn Hill Right turn Hill Right turn Hill Also, the Giga brakes are setup that way because it includes the MCBR and final brakes both in that section. MCBR Magnetic trims (sloped section) Final brakes
I like your redesign, the inversion might be unrealistic, but my god would that something if it were possible! Other than that I really like Orion's current layout. I don't get all the controversy around Orion. Either way I think when most of the whiners/elitist get on it in person they'll be thoroughly surprised just how good it will be in person.
I don’t know if im the only one but the layout that he designed kind of looked like something that would be used for an Intamin for instance the low to the ground end section and the inversion but I still love it either way!
I've done a few of these and it's kind of entertaining to do, I know you said you wanted to try to keep the stats fairly similar, but I'd kind of like to see a "training wheels off" version. Nothing too crazy ofc, a little bit taller possibly, but make it as long as you wish; maybe even do a version with the same height but just see how long you can make it. The inversion seems kind of jank too, I honestly kind of liked the non inverting version of that element better, so perhaps leave inversions out for the next one as well.
I actually like the current layout. The only change I would’ve made is to make the lift hill over 300 feet. That way it would safely be a giga and that debate of whether or not it’s actually a giga would be eliminated.
I like the original better seems more intense definitely the only thing id like on the actual coaster is the upside part but yours seems more boring tbh , but great work! I’m actually excited for the Orion
I would design it into a 198 ft Mega Coaster with a 250 ft drop however I would make it go down lower with some intense elements for example like the Stengel Dive but even way better like what you did on yours and ad some more airtime.
Apparently the reason why Orion isn't 300 feet tall is because King's Island wants to keep the Eiffel Tower as its centerpiece and really doesn't any anything taller than it. I think that should be taken into consideration with the redesign but regardles, your layout looks a lot cooler. I really like the turnaround on the second version.
The tip top Eiffel Tower is 315 feet. The highest point guests can go is 275 feet (top platform) which was the highest point in the park since Orion will be 287 feet making it the highest point guests can go at KI. However, if the cost of steel wasn't as high as it is today, they probably would've gone 300+ in height.
Although I love your idea, no one realistically imagined this is what it was going to look like. I wanna see intamin do a giga again, I reckon they would be willing to experiment with elements like you used i your design. Or RMC, of course, but I dont see them building a giga anytime soon.
I think some people thought that a great park like Kings island would go all out like they have done in the past. That wasn't the case this time around. It's not a bad coaster by any means, but I think people were wanting a little more. Is that good or bad? You decide.
I really don’t know why they didn’t make that hill outward banked. It was the first thing when I saw the original POV and would make the ride so much better as it would be a world class element for sure
I work at Kings Island, and the reason why we didn’t make the ride longer was because the price of steel since 2015 has skyrocketed. If it weren’t for that, we definitely would have made it longer.
It's so tall because the ride is so short....simply not enough track to burn off the momentum of the trains. If they could have done something after the helix, like a few more air time hills...then the break run.
A great layout, much more exciting, however a very risky and costly design, if not impossible with current B&M cars, standards, height of brake runs, and overall risk of potentially ruining the ride. KI simply decided to take a less risky route on a new ride for once. Either way, both rides look amazing.
I think you did a pretty good job. Unfortunately this design isn’t really “B&M” ... the end of the ride looks much more Intamin tbh. All realism aside, this would be a heck of a ride, and I’d really enjoy if this were real. Good job! Keep honing in your NL2 skills!
An inversion with a clamshell restrain is not common, however I don’t think it’s unsafe. It’s just a bit of a habit to use over the shoulder restraints for coasters with inversions. But very plausible. I also think lapbars like RMC or Intamin use get more common, while the over the shoulder types get more outdated.
Lapbars can be fine, but it needs to be tighter to thw rider so that if the train loses speed and stalls upside-down, people will not fall out. This means a deeper seat, shin guards, or ostrs
Charlie W true but depends how slow Flat rides that hang upside down ostr is necessary but most coasters just need good seats Some inverting pendulum rides need ostr
@@rebelknpv573 The standards dictate that the restraint demonstrate full containment in all expected load cases and potential sustained orientationsin addition to several other ceiteria at class 5. The specific of the design is rever required in any case. Ostrs are simple but very effective designs and are thus commonly used
People should really quit complaining about the stats of the ride and just be glad that they're getting a coaster instead of getting a waterpark or kiddieland expansion for the umpteenth year in a row. So what if the lift isn't 300 ft while the bottom of the drop is? It's a little think known as terrain differences as the terrain is lower at the base of the drop vs the height of the lift.
im sorry but no way there would be an inversion. they would probably just make that an airtime moment. other than that this looks pretty realistic and something that a park might actually make
Everyone’s here complaining about Orion’s stats when I’m here wondering when the West Coast will get a full-length gigacoaster(some sort of giga with at least 4000 feet of track).
I like it, it’s just unrealistic for a B&M Hyper coaster (especially the inversion). I can see B&M adding outward banking hills to their hypers, but I just can’t see an inversion as that’s not the focus of the Hyper model.
That inversion is sweeeeet
Ayyeeee what's up Airtime Thrills?
5:41 There is another reason. Speed. B&M Doesn't like to stress their brakes that much, you can see this on nearly all their large scale rides. So instead of slamming to a stop, they have the train hit the brakes at a lower speed. They do this on their Giga's by raising the height of the brake run. Orion and Levi are shorter in length, so they carry more speed into the brake run. That's why their brake runs are that much taller compared to Fury 325. Fury has a much longer layout, so it doesn't carry the same amount of speed into the brake run.
Ok that makes sense. Thanks for the info! 👍
@@XscreamThrills Also on what F-4Ace said, these redundant safety systems has yielded them a perfect safety record. Think about it, have you ever heard of B&M trains colliding? Nope never. They may have had one bump on occasion but nothing that resulted in injuries. On the other hand I'm sure you've noticed with other manufactures we've come in approaching the station very hot! As a result they've had their issues with collisions. By judging their track record I really do believe B&M places safety above all else. If it can't be done safely, I don't think they would do it.
@@oblivieon1567 Valravn had a low-speed collision during its debut year, if I'm not mistaken. It features their modern, angled brake run design as well.
Safety. Which is why they do t have inversions with lap restraints.
Honestly, I like the current version. I just wouldve changed the over-banked turn to an outward banked hill (like you did).
My personal favorite addition 😁
Richard Sikes I would’ve liked it a little taller maybe idk 315 feet
@@zach_light7816 agreed, just a little tiny bit taller and the whole "its not a giga" thing wouldve never happened. I mean I understand steel costs went up because of this stupid "Trade War" with China, but it should've been 300 feet tall with a 313 foot drop keeping the bottom of the drop in the ravine.
I would’ve just added the inversion and the outer-banked turn and that’s it. The only other thing is removing the trim.
Someone call the B&M Design manager, I think he has a new employee here
😁
Or was it Stengel's firm? They only do closed recruitment from big companies, it seems(though they might still need to close-rec him)
i hope it's not josh from kings dominion ;w;
My guess for the long break runs is, that they function as individual blocks allowing for more trains to operate, also having the break run that high off the ground reduces the amount of energy the breaks have to absorb. If KI had a certain budget for Orion available B&M couldn't have made the ride longer to lose more momentum so they went with a tall break run to reduce maintenance costs.
Keep in mind that both Fury325 and Orion don't contain a MCBR but do have 3 trains
@@PSmovieProductions Fury has a transfer track before the lift which stops a train from going onto the lift until another train hits a sensor under the hive dive that allows a train to go on the lift
Yeah all in all it just seems like they wanted this coaster just so they can say they have a ''giga coaster'' and can attract many people. But it's just a very short coaster, If they just made the coaster a lot less tall they could probably make it a lot longer and add more special elements
The B&M Gigas have the MCBR, magnetic trims, then final brakes. That’s why the brake runs are set that way.
I’ve heard that B&M has the ability to do inversions on their hyper/giga models, but just haven’t yet. I’m not sure how true that is but I love the inclusion of it here.
They would have to change the restraint system to the vest model
Uptyler nope they would just have to add shin guards like steel dragon has with its b&m trains
The train could do it. But the restraints would have to be changed so that if the ride loses speed and ends up dangling upside-down, riders would not fall out. I can say with how I ride the clamshell restraints, I would not be safe😂 The reason they don't do this is because it completely recategorizes the ride in the eyes of normal riders and puts a limit on potential ridership
I giga with full on inversions would be absolutely sick I am surprised no parks has asked for one.
they're a very safe company
"ME WANT BIG GIGA! BIG DROP! GIVE THE GOBLIN SOME AIRTIME! UNDER 350 FEET BAD!"
-Entitled Enthusiasts
that's a weird way to spell KI fanboys
Krista as a self proclaimed KI fanboy, I just want to say not all of us are like that, just the extremely loud minority. I am just happy we are getting one it doesn’t have to be record breaking, just fill the line up.
Do you realize more track is more money.... these rides arent free you know lmao
dont u “not all ki fanboys” me
Brandon not really, most of the expenses in steel come from the supports, so if u were to have a 350 drop and then stay low to the ground, it could be longer & cheaper than fury
I definitely like your layout much better. Even though I think the actual layout will be good, yours is much more interesting, especially with that inversion.
Yes the inversion seems unrealistic, for b&m. Intamin did a dive loop on Hyperion, I want to see someone like that in future hyper or giga coasters.
Well congratulations you made a much better version that’s actually worth the hype
This layout is flawless. If this was the actual layout for Orion this will be the only giga in the world for anyone to break the record for a while. Great job.👍
That inversion looked really cool if I do say so myself
Both of those first turn arounds on your version are beautiful.
Thanks!
YOU CANT ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WAAAANT
This feels like a job application to me. :)
The break runs are like that for two reasons one being a fail safe if the mid course fails and the other being that it is easier to put the trains away at night
Trainspush Through his point isn’t useless, how about not being a dick... try it sometime🤷🏻♂️
They do the long break runs for capacity. The lock runs are long because they have an extra block that the train will just clear as another clears the lift. Banshee also has the extra long break run because there's an extra block in the back, and that's how they avoid adding a MCBR.
I think the actual version will be a great ride. Having said that I’d rather have yours.
I appreciate your dedication to working with limitations and I think what you came up with was very solid! Great work!
Thanks!
I think that Orion is going to be one of the most underrated coasters opening this year because height is not everything and you can see that with mystic timbers one of the other coasters in the park
Mystic Timbers is a great coaster that was underrated at first, so hopefully Orion will follow that same path
Thjs is a great video concept and foster concept!
I think the reason the brake run is so high off the ground is so the train and the riders don’t have to hit at such a high speed.
Can B&M hire you....i wish your design was the actual layout its different from the other gigas it offers more elements and to be able to market the only giga with an iversion and the highest incersion wich kennywood just broke would be awesome
You actually made it long like Fury325. I love the turn around element
The inversion seems out of place but your other version without the inversion that u made is what kings island should’ve gotten
I love that invert
On the version you made that doesn’t go inverted looked pretty cool. If the right to left turn was at the peak of the hill you might be able to get some good laterals and airtime
That barrel roll looks sweeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!
I think my biggest gripe with Orion is the "wave turn," mostly because it's what people are praising so much. It's really not a wave turn at all, it's an over-banked turn. Wave turns bow outwards (see L-rod for a good example), creating airtime. This turn curves inwards, reducing airtime. At the very least they shouldn't be in the same category. That turn's not even going to pull 0g. It physically can't.
I agree. It's not a wave turn, just an overbanked turn
I'm not gonna lie, after the sick outer bank, I prefer orion's layout. it has that fun factor that b&m's are known for. the inversion feels unnecessary and after that this layout is honestly kinda just millennium force but short. the only thing I'd change from the original would be that first wave turn into an outerbank, and then maybe cut the shambhala helix and replace it with something a little quicker and maybe lower to the ground (because most of the expenses of a coaster come from the supports) and make the final dip touch the ground.
edit: also the spine isn't that thick after the lift/drop, just use the medium spine instead of the large one
I don’t know what your talking about Orion is perfect.
Imagine if Orion had been announced in 1999. Folks would go nuts
Amazing how much 20 years changes everything
In 1999 it would have been the bomb. Now it almost feels like a step backwards.
@@stevepreston3664 I do wish it was at least 300 ft in height. The drop on it will be 85 degrees, so that is better then the other two B&M Giga's.
Imperial79 The height doesn’t matter. The drop is what’s experienced and it’s the same size as Millennium and I305
*sees inversion*
oh no baby what is you doin
I don’t care if it brakes any records or not. I’m an enthusiast and I’m hyped as hell for this thing (especially since KI is my local park)
Your version is so much better that inversion and outer bank look insane
We're talking about the first giga with an inversion, which will happen eventually.
Idk what version I like better actually. Yours is good as well but Orion is so super well designed in my opinion, I really like the layout. A extra hill would've definitely helped but it looks really solid still.
You should also post more of your own creations. I would love to see what you've made
Your version is definitely better than the original version because you get to go upside down
I like your version so much better.
Your design. Its my fav
I’ll be going to Kings Island next year, as a coaster fan from Florida, it’ll be either my 3rd or 4th giga since I’ll be doing I-305 and Fury in the spring and don’t know if I’ll be going to here or cedar point first, but as someone that doesn’t have very big coasters other than Mako, and soon to be Iron Gwazi, looking forward to riding all of these next year, as Florida is filled with B&M’s and Mako is my number 2 after riding Lightning Rod the other day.
I want to go there too. Only giga I've ridden is Red Force which was disappointing
I live near Carowinds. Fury325 is amazing
Fury ain’t all that
The most anticipated coaster is at bush gardens tampa gwazi hybrid!!!!
Could you do skyrush next? I love that ride but I would like to see a different version
You were right about the wave turn
I would've preferred an outer banked turn like on SteVe, but the wave turn isn't a dud.
Your version is by far better.
There is no engineering feat to the reason B&M utilities longer break runs -- other than allowing for more train dispatching, less decelerated G's and less blocks throughout the course of the ride, especially high speed hyper coasters. All coaster designers know this.
Nice
I prefer the wave turn and the helix on the actual Orion over your version; however, I do like the length and the inversion on your version.
The helix on the original version is sick tbh
Woah an inversion
This will be my first Giga actually.
Coaster Fusion enjoy!
Coaster Fusion same
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I love the idea of remodeling this coaster, but seeing it in person, Orion is going to pull some pretty good forces! The second hill looks to only be about 1/2 to 3/5 the height of the first hill, making it capable for some serious verticles. The speed hill immediately following the turn around looks great as well. The helix is going to be taken at pretty fast speeds, so expect some gs there as well. Overall the original coaster has some good looking elements packed into a small layout.
Orion is one of my most anticipated for 2020!
“The first hill looks to only be about 1/2 to 3/5 the height of the first hill”
You turned orion purple! 😂
Oops 😬
Orion: The coaster we hate to love.
I've learned to just love Orion 😁
@@XscreamThrillsI sometimes wonder if it had been built before Diamondback if it would have had better reception. Albeit short, it has good elements. Especially that first left dive.
I see what you were going for but it felt like it was just
Hill
Right turn
Hill
Right turn
Hill
Right turn
Hill
Also, the Giga brakes are setup that way because it includes the MCBR and final brakes both in that section.
MCBR
Magnetic trims (sloped section)
Final brakes
You should do if i owned kings island and you should do if i owned my owend my own coaster company
I like your redesign, the inversion might be unrealistic, but my god would that something if it were possible! Other than that I really like Orion's current layout. I don't get all the controversy around Orion. Either way I think when most of the whiners/elitist get on it in person they'll be thoroughly surprised just how good it will be in person.
I don’t know if im the only one but the layout that he designed kind of looked like something that would be used for an Intamin for instance the low to the ground end section and the inversion but I still love it either way!
As long as the drop is 300 feet, it's a Giga. Height doesn't matter
The turn around on Orion is Fury but backwards
Since the drop goes into a hollow (or holler), why not make it 310 with the first hill being 300.
I've done a few of these and it's kind of entertaining to do, I know you said you wanted to try to keep the stats fairly similar, but I'd kind of like to see a "training wheels off" version. Nothing too crazy ofc, a little bit taller possibly, but make it as long as you wish; maybe even do a version with the same height but just see how long you can make it. The inversion seems kind of jank too, I honestly kind of liked the non inverting version of that element better, so perhaps leave inversions out for the next one as well.
Thanks for the input! 👍
i rode orion a total of 75 times last year still never got bored.
I actually like the current layout. The only change I would’ve made is to make the lift hill over 300 feet. That way it would safely be a giga and that debate of whether or not it’s actually a giga would be eliminated.
I like the original better seems more intense definitely the only thing id like on the actual coaster is the upside part but yours seems more boring tbh , but great work! I’m actually excited for the Orion
If it was my version, I would have put a vertical loop to pay tribute to Son of Beast
And make it a wooden loop 😉
@@XscreamThrills lol but the loop was steel xD
I’m pretty sure the long break run is to have the train slow down more before hitting the breaks so they don’t wear as quickly
I would design it into a 198 ft Mega Coaster with a 250 ft drop however I would make it go down lower with some intense elements for example like the Stengel Dive but even way better like what you did on yours and ad some more airtime.
Apparently the reason why Orion isn't 300 feet tall is because King's Island wants to keep the Eiffel Tower as its centerpiece and really doesn't any anything taller than it. I think that should be taken into consideration with the redesign but regardles, your layout looks a lot cooler. I really like the turnaround on the second version.
Not a fan of the inversion?
@@XscreamThrills The inversion is cool but the other turnaround is like a warped non-inverting loop and it looks killer.
The tip top Eiffel Tower is 315 feet. The highest point guests can go is 275 feet (top platform) which was the highest point in the park since Orion will be 287 feet making it the highest point guests can go at KI. However, if the cost of steel wasn't as high as it is today, they probably would've gone 300+ in height.
Windseeker is 301 feet tall
get this man a b&m job
😁
Although I love your idea, no one realistically imagined this is what it was going to look like. I wanna see intamin do a giga again, I reckon they would be willing to experiment with elements like you used i your design. Or RMC, of course, but I dont see them building a giga anytime soon.
A giga with an inversion, yessir pls b&m do it someday
waaaaah we geting an extra ride in the park waaaah i dont think its good waaaaah, enthusiasts really are something else man holy shit
Your channel is awesome. It is very similar to mine or at least how I see mine lol. I enjoy your videos and this one was another good one. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@XscreamThrills I think the inversion turn around is a sweet element.
Can you make more vids like this one?Because I love it
Possibly!
@@XscreamThrills Is there a chance you could put both versions up on the Steam workshop for NoLimits2?
I thought iron gwazi was more talked about
Or even Pantheon
@@revimfadli4666 agreed
Do you think that some enthusiasts are complaining too much about Orion or do you agree with them?
Complain too much, I think Orion will be a fun ride when it opens.
Yeah I don't really understand the hate either...
I think some of them are ungrateful and spoiled.
I think some people thought that a great park like Kings island would go all out like they have done in the past. That wasn't the case this time around. It's not a bad coaster by any means, but I think people were wanting a little more. Is that good or bad? You decide.
@@stevepreston3664 It's fine if you want them to go all out, but they shouldn't be expected to go all out EVERY time they add a new coaster.
I really don’t know why they didn’t make that hill outward banked. It was the first thing when I saw the original POV and would make the ride so much better as it would be a world class element for sure
That's what I thought also
1:10 music?
Um was that an inversion on a giga coaster?
Yep
XscreamThrills I wonder why no one has done that yet. Maybe there is some design/engineering obstacle.
I work at Kings Island, and the reason why we didn’t make the ride longer was because the price of steel since 2015 has skyrocketed. If it weren’t for that, we definitely would have made it longer.
Can you give some insight on why it does not have a 300+height? Some are saying because of the Eiffel tower. Is that true?
I believe that is false, considering that Drop Tower is actually taller than the Eiffel Tower.
It's so tall because the ride is so short....simply not enough track to burn off the momentum of the trains. If they could have done something after the helix, like a few more air time hills...then the break run.
Kind of a hybrid of Orion and Hyperion with an outer banked hill
Your version is better. You hit the nail on the head of not about having no special hook to stand out from the other giga
Hay XscreamThrills any plans on designing your version of Steel Curtain?
Haven't thought of it, but could be an idea! 👍
1:28 could have been the First Giga with an Inversion lol
A great layout, much more exciting, however a very risky and costly design, if not impossible with current B&M cars, standards, height of brake runs, and overall risk of potentially ruining the ride. KI simply decided to take a less risky route on a new ride for once. Either way, both rides look amazing.
That trim brake 😬
I think you did a pretty good job. Unfortunately this design isn’t really “B&M” ... the end of the ride looks much more Intamin tbh. All realism aside, this would be a heck of a ride, and I’d really enjoy if this were real. Good job! Keep honing in your NL2 skills!
Are you going to do one of these for Candymonium? I’d really be interested to see it😀
I kinda need to know the original layout first 😉. Whenever Hershey decides to release it, then will talk 😁
@@XscreamThrills Do this for an SLC
An inversion with a clamshell restrain is not common, however I don’t think it’s unsafe.
It’s just a bit of a habit to use over the shoulder restraints for coasters with inversions.
But very plausible.
I also think lapbars like RMC or Intamin use get more common, while the over the shoulder types get more outdated.
One can only hope otsr go extinct 👍
Lapbars can be fine, but it needs to be tighter to thw rider so that if the train loses speed and stalls upside-down, people will not fall out. This means a deeper seat, shin guards, or ostrs
Charlie W true but depends how slow
Flat rides that hang upside down ostr is necessary but most coasters just need good seats
Some inverting pendulum rides need ostr
@@rebelknpv573 The standards dictate that the restraint demonstrate full containment in all expected load cases and potential sustained orientationsin addition to several other ceiteria at class 5. The specific of the design is rever required in any case. Ostrs are simple but very effective designs and are thus commonly used
I'll take your version over the real one. More creative, more air...better ride.
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I wouldn't class it as a Giga
People should really quit complaining about the stats of the ride and just be glad that they're getting a coaster instead of getting a waterpark or kiddieland expansion for the umpteenth year in a row. So what if the lift isn't 300 ft while the bottom of the drop is? It's a little think known as terrain differences as the terrain is lower at the base of the drop vs the height of the lift.
I wish your design held just a little but truer to B&M’s design language. Awesome ideas though
im sorry but no way there would be an inversion. they would probably just make that an airtime moment. other than that this looks pretty realistic and something that a park might actually make
If you design it to be 300 ft at the same spot why not make the drop 313??
Everyone’s here complaining about Orion’s stats when I’m here wondering when the West Coast will get a full-length gigacoaster(some sort of giga with at least 4000 feet of track).
Also what are you going to name this variation of Orion?
It's Orion, just in my alternate reality
California’s Great America is the only west coast park I could see getting a giga. But they’re gonna get a hyper first, which I’m hoping is next year.
I like it, it’s just unrealistic for a B&M Hyper coaster (especially the inversion). I can see B&M adding outward banking hills to their hypers, but I just can’t see an inversion as that’s not the focus of the Hyper model.
To add the inversion, they would need to make some minor adjustments to their clamshell restraints.
XscreamThrills Right, I just don’t see them ever doing it as that’s not the purpose of the Hyper model.
6:02 you should watch eltororyans video on that subject
I did thank you!