Kenny! You have saved the rest of my hair from being pulled out! I've been trying to figure this out for the last couple of years with only sad-trombone success. Thanks a bunch!
Damn, just spent 2 hours two days ago to adjust an mix multiple songs by try and error. If I would just have known this! Thanks Kenny, for your work. They are really valuable and your tutorials are my main source of education for anything related to Reaper!
I find an easier way is to just make an accurate selection from bar 1 to 3 and then right click ruler -> find tempo from selection. However, this, and the tip in the video only works if the song tempo is constant. If the song doesn't have a constant tempo, the fastest way I find is to simply play through the whole thing, pressing M on each bar. Have to make sure to be zoomed out for this, and it's best if you go in and clean up the marker-positions by hand afterwards.
thanx for advice! but then when u precise moved each marker in place how to move every bar in marker positions? so if the song is about 150 bars it's pretty hard, no?
Thank you Kenny. I have been fighting with this for while now. VERY CLEAR explanation. Extremely helpful for some old recordings that I am working on without a click. Keep up the good work!
Having tried a commercial plugin and found that it did not give accurate enough results, I came back to Kenny's video. Not being fluent enough with Reaper made it very hard to do everything just right but I managed it in the end - should be worth the effort and I learned a lot in doing it.
Another great tutorial, Kenny! I'm new to tempo mapping, and trying to find the tempo of an oldie, "Hello Mary Lou." I've determined it changes tempo slightly throughout the song, speeding up and slowing down slightly as determined by the groove of the band during recording.
Thanks for your dedication Kenny. You should just add that prior to the first method you should right-click on the ruler -> Ruler layout -> Display tempo changes. I could not see the markers i.e. could not drag them, so I needed to do this.
This is absurd. They should come up with a simple menu item called ‘detect audio tempo’. This method you’re describing here is a creative process murderer. I can do this in a 1/4 Of the time by simply turning on the click track and adjusting the tempo accordingly. I have to remove and replace the audio a few times, but it nowhere near as cumbersome as the process you described. Not your fault. That’s on Cockos.
Nuendo 10 has a Detect Tempo function that does exactly that in 3 seconds. This is why it’s hard to switch to REAPER. Yes the price is great, but if you do studio production as a full time living, this is murdering Father Time.
Hey, Kenny, so I figured out a super easy and faster way to do that, simply assign a key to the SWS/BR: Move closest grid line to mouse cursor (perform until shortcut released) extension and have fun.
Hi everybody, I am not good for numbers, memory, let's say "math" ; so I played the above maybe 5 times (takes all kinds). Finally I figured something for peoples having hard time. The game here consists to adjust one to the other let's say the beginning of beat#3 of the item to the beat#3 of the rule. In a nutshell. Then you need a couple of tools which are nicely presented here. .Ah also, be aware, some music style practice before or after the beat playing. So, you might have derivation from the computer found tempo. But it still help a lot.Thanks so much anyway Kenny
Nice, but what about songs which are not recorded to a click track (i.e. songs where the tempo is fluctuating throughout the whole song, as in the drummer for example playing a beat but not always landing 100% on the correct beat in each measure). What can we do with those?
Why don't you just tap it out on the BPM button at the bottom of the screen or do it on a phone metronome, way faster. This is a highly convoluted method to get to the end result.
Thank you for the explanation! I am still experiencing problems though-after the process is completed and I play the song,from the beginning to about half of the song the metronome is nicely aligned,but as the track progresses the metronome gets more and more misaligned with the song tempo.Could it be a sloppy performance of the artist(the song should be constant tempo from start to end)? Maybe this could be fixed if a few time markers are inserted.
this is the only way for me that BPM wouldn't speed up or alter the rate , setting it in Project Settings wouldn't over ride this setting , had to set it in item for it to work for me , change bpm and NOT rate ! Thanks
Yes. I usually tap tempo and then look further down if its aligned, and its usually 1 or 2 bpm off, but both ways are probably equally quick, yours need less brainpower tho, not needing to perform tapping to tempo and stuff:)
Kenny, I don't know if something has changed (or if it's me), but when I remove the tempo marker according to your instructions, the whole song whacks out tempo-wise. Those opening four bars will be fine, but if I remove that 120 marker at bar five, it all goes haywire. The song doesn't immediately snap to the new tempo at the beginning. I've tried multiple times following along closely. Maybe something in the new version has changed? I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.
I tried this with the uptown girl drums, but It just wont sync with the metronome. If I tap the tempo, the BPM is 129 or so. Using this technique, the metronome syncs up for the first 6 bars at 127.04 BPM then fails to keep up.
Do you know if there are some popular songs that exist where the tempo changes one beat per minute mid-song? For example, if the verse was 120 and the pre-chorus was 121.
When I create the tempo/Time signature marker there is no bar to it. I move the team marker but there is no bar following and the ruler does not changes. Just the marker moves. Why?
When you set the tempo back to the original you better not change it but just undo the first change, otherwise you perform 2 modifications that degrade the audio quality
He's basically finding an upbeat as the start point, then counting x amount of bars (3,4,5 etc) pausing and seeing which note is closest. By marking the note as the end point you can find the bpm in that "gate" Follow the steps again you'll get it 👌🏼
Not sure about the state of the art, but last time I checked "automatic beat detection" failed for everything more complex than a 4-on-the-floor EDM beat.
Kenny you are the best explainer but the problem with this method is over time, the alignment will drift away from the click because of the 10ths or 100s of BPM. It's not precise.
What i do is skip through the song say about 1min then 2mins and so on.keeping an eye on the bass transient in relation to the kick drums.as it starts to creep away i adjust in 10ths then finally 100ths of a second then after a bit of practice you can get it bang on everytime.
Ok, just a side issue, suppose I'm just doodling a tune and not being tide to a metronome beat, How do I then find the tempo I'm jamming in when I'm using a midi instrument?
This is genius! Thank you so much, reaper guru. It's such a good feeling to get more skills to work in my DAW. I do have a question; how do I avoid MIDI note data from moving when I change the tempo??
Hi Kenny ! I have a question.... is it possible for you to go through all SWS features or if you already done it.... do you have a playlist? I couldn't find it.... I was interested a lot in some tempo manipulation features and Cue Bus generator.... idk there seems to be a lot of interesting stuff that I never touched =(
When I delete the tempo marker the track stretches back to the original grid lines. I have it on time base, but the grids don't like to stay where I put them? Any help would be great! Is there an additional setting I am missing here?
This is really useful the first time, but when you don't remember one step (because of Reaper's bloat) having to rewatch a 12 minute video gets frustrating. Not your fault of course.
Hi! Newbie here. I got some tracks with recorded click on them. Tempo changes few times on every track. Click is pretty loud so transients shoudl be transparent. How do I map out automatically the grid according to the prerecorded click including the tempo changes? PLS HELP!
Great videos. I am learning a lot. I have a question. What if you have a piece of music and it was recorded on cassette tape and the tempo drifts? I made a number of tempo markers and moved them around to adjust for the fluctuations in the tape to accommodate this. But this piece of music has an intro to it that leads into the song. I can't figure out how to move the tracks with the tempo markers. When I move the tracks, the tempo markers stay in the same place which is not what I want. Any help?
I'm new to Reaper, and your tutorials have literally taught me everything - thanks so much for this great work!
Kenny! You have saved the rest of my hair from being pulled out!
I've been trying to figure this out for the last couple of years with only sad-trombone success.
Thanks a bunch!
Damn, just spent 2 hours two days ago to adjust an mix multiple songs by try and error. If I would just have known this! Thanks Kenny, for your work. They are really valuable and your tutorials are my main source of education for anything related to Reaper!
saved a lot of grieff
I find an easier way is to just make an accurate selection from bar 1 to 3 and then right click ruler -> find tempo from selection. However, this, and the tip in the video only works if the song tempo is constant.
If the song doesn't have a constant tempo, the fastest way I find is to simply play through the whole thing, pressing M on each bar. Have to make sure to be zoomed out for this, and it's best if you go in and clean up the marker-positions by hand afterwards.
thanx for advice!
but then when u precise moved each marker in place how to move every bar in marker positions?
so if the song is about 150 bars it's pretty hard, no?
What does M do??
M places a marker on the ruler
A video of 2017 saved my life in 2020.
Thank you
Super super valuable info Kenny! Thank you again!!
Thank you Kenny. I have been fighting with this for while now. VERY CLEAR explanation. Extremely helpful for some old recordings that I am working on without a click. Keep up the good work!
Thank you Eric!!!
That, my friend, is pure genius. I'm new to Reaper and I'm being blown away by the tricks it can do. Thank you...
Having tried a commercial plugin and found that it did not give accurate enough results, I came back to Kenny's video. Not being fluent enough with Reaper made it very hard to do everything just right but I managed it in the end - should be worth the effort and I learned a lot in doing it.
You're a star, man. Thanks for all your REAPER content.
Another great tutorial, Kenny! I'm new to tempo mapping, and trying to find the tempo of an oldie, "Hello Mary Lou." I've determined it changes tempo slightly throughout the song, speeding up and slowing down slightly as determined by the groove of the band during recording.
Thanks, Kenny! You really helped me out. You're a panacea for Reaper users. ✨
Sounds like an auto-feature Reaper should add to the next update.
Quanti loops ios app calculates a loop tempo very easily... one double click and it does it.
Thanks for your dedication Kenny.
You should just add that prior to the first method you should right-click on the ruler -> Ruler layout -> Display tempo changes. I could not see the markers i.e. could not drag them, so I needed to do this.
This!!! thanks for posting
@@seanraz no problem!
you sir, have just saved me hours and hours of using the tap tempo function and trying different variables of decimal bpms. i thank you deeply
When you CTL moved the time line. bro. Thank you - From my riddled brain trying to get these mash ups out. Thank you.
There are so many ways to find a song's tempo in reaper omg
Great DAW and great teacher!
You are awesome brother! Thank you so much for these great tutorials...you just made my life WAY easier with this video!
Bless you!! Would never have come across this, and need it often. You're the Man.
Thanks, Kenny! That's a very clever way to find the tempo!
Very Helpful Kenny, as always. Thanks.
finally! this one video helped me change the click track tempo when the other video's didn't explain it like this. thank you!
I've spent years doing this the slow way. Thanks so much for this.
Thank you for this whole series!
This is absurd. They should come up with a simple menu item called ‘detect audio tempo’.
This method you’re describing here is a creative process murderer. I can do this in a 1/4 Of the time by simply turning on the click track and adjusting the tempo accordingly. I have to remove and replace the audio a few times, but it nowhere near as cumbersome as the process you described. Not your fault. That’s on Cockos.
Nuendo 10 has a Detect Tempo function that does exactly that in 3 seconds.
This is why it’s hard to switch to REAPER. Yes the price is great, but if you do studio production as a full time living, this is murdering Father Time.
This method needs few minutes to do.
where is that option??? HELP please, this video was useless for me ...
Once you know how to do this, it takes about 15 seconds tops.
John Ferreira a
I did learn something, Kenny, and damn that was something I always wanted to know. BIG THUMBS UP !!
Hey, Kenny, so I figured out a super easy and faster way to do that, simply assign a key to the SWS/BR: Move closest grid line to mouse cursor (perform until shortcut released) extension and have fun.
Fan-freakin-tastic!! Thank you Kenny!
I chose reaper also for your videos, great way to learn. Thanks for this one
Magic. This is just what I've been needing. All that second guessing and trying out decimal point tempos is (hopefully) done with! Thanks again:)
Hi everybody, I am not good for numbers, memory, let's say "math" ; so I played the above maybe 5 times (takes all kinds). Finally I figured something for peoples having hard time. The game here consists to adjust one to the other let's say the beginning of beat#3 of the item to the beat#3 of the rule. In a nutshell. Then you need a couple of tools which are nicely presented here. .Ah also, be aware, some music style practice before or after the beat playing. So, you might have derivation from the computer found tempo. But it still help a lot.Thanks so much anyway Kenny
Kenny is brilliant, great tutorials. You saved me many times sir
Nice, but what about songs which are not recorded to a click track (i.e. songs where the tempo is fluctuating throughout the whole song, as in the drummer for example playing a beat but not always landing 100% on the correct beat in each measure). What can we do with those?
Fantastic tutorial! Thank you so much for all your videos, you have really helped me grow into a bedroom engineer.
Thank you so much for all the lessons Kenny...💖
Why don't you just tap it out on the BPM button at the bottom of the screen or do it on a phone metronome, way faster. This is a highly convoluted method to get to the end result.
Another brilliant tutorial when I need it, thanks.
Thank you for the explanation!
I am still experiencing problems though-after the process is completed and I play the song,from the beginning to about half of the song the metronome is nicely aligned,but as the track progresses the metronome gets more and more misaligned with the song tempo.Could it be a sloppy performance of the artist(the song should be constant tempo from start to end)?
Maybe this could be fixed if a few time markers are inserted.
Did you delete the new tempo marker once the tempo was found?
You can also right-click the item, "item-settings", hook "Set item timebase to time"
this is the only way for me that BPM wouldn't speed up or alter the rate , setting it in Project Settings wouldn't over ride this setting , had to set it in item for it to work for me , change bpm and NOT rate ! Thanks
Excellent. This was what I was looking for. Thanks a lot.
Thanks Kenny, your clear and detailed explanation much appreciated
You are a sweet heart. Kenny
Brilliant! Cheers. Much safer than relying on an autodetect.
Thank you, I have been trying to figure out how to do this. Thanks
Nice man. A quick way is to just tap tempo to the song and write in closest whole number, with your time based setting
That is quicker but not as accurate
Yes. I usually tap tempo and then look further down if its aligned, and its usually 1 or 2 bpm off, but both ways are probably equally quick, yours need less brainpower tho, not needing to perform tapping to tempo and stuff:)
if i hold control and drag the time marker it also changes the speed of the track...
Kenny, I don't know if something has changed (or if it's me), but when I remove the tempo marker according to your instructions, the whole song whacks out tempo-wise. Those opening four bars will be fine, but if I remove that 120 marker at bar five, it all goes haywire. The song doesn't immediately snap to the new tempo at the beginning. I've tried multiple times following along closely. Maybe something in the new version has changed? I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.
Great tip, just slicing my first drum loop and this will really come in handy! Thank you!
Same here ,,hehehe
top class tutorials, as always. Thanks!
Mestre, Obrigado! 🇧🇷
I tried this with the uptown girl drums, but It just wont sync with the metronome. If I tap the tempo, the BPM is 129 or so. Using this technique, the metronome syncs up for the first 6 bars at 127.04 BPM then fails to keep up.
Thanks. Mind blowing how versed you are in Reaper.
Do you know if there are some popular songs that exist where the tempo changes one beat per minute mid-song? For example, if the verse was 120 and the pre-chorus was 121.
you can search for map tempo, its refering to changing the tempo in some parts of track
When I create the tempo/Time signature marker there is no bar to it. I move the team marker but there is no bar following and the ruler does not changes. Just the marker moves. Why?
Got it. Gotta press Control and move the marker.
Interesting but not so easy this way. Thanks a lot for been. You give Reaper a pretty and solid name.
When you set the tempo back to the original you better not change it but just undo the first change,
otherwise you perform 2 modifications that degrade the audio quality
So simple and informative ....thanks!
Awesome! Thanks!
I Love your Videos! I wish I could work on a project with you! Keep up the great work!💪🏾💯🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thanks Kenny, this was really helpful!
Thank you sir your videos are the best. I woe my life. 🤘🏼🤘🏼😭😂. And this DAW is very excellent ❤️❤️
Thanks a lot for all your vídeos!
Is there no way to just play the song and auto detect I got so lost trying to follow this
seriously. It's fucking 2020
He's basically finding an upbeat as the start point, then counting x amount of bars (3,4,5 etc) pausing and seeing which note is closest. By marking the note as the end point you can find the bpm in that "gate"
Follow the steps again you'll get it 👌🏼
Not sure about the state of the art, but last time I checked "automatic beat detection" failed for everything more complex than a 4-on-the-floor EDM beat.
What if the tempo gradually slows. Say from 130 to 100 within a measure or two?
Kenny you are the best explainer but the problem with this method is over time, the alignment will drift away from the click because of the 10ths or 100s of BPM. It's not precise.
What i do is skip through the song say about 1min then 2mins and so on.keeping an eye on the bass transient in relation to the kick drums.as it starts to creep away i adjust in 10ths then finally 100ths of a second then after a bit of practice you can get it bang on everytime.
This does not work for me now. Not sure why. Maybe doesn't work this way on new version?
BRILLIANT!
extremely useful
Ok, just a side issue, suppose I'm just doodling a tune and not being tide to a metronome beat, How do I then find the tempo I'm jamming in when I'm using a midi instrument?
This for some reason doesn't work for me. It stretches and squeezes everything instead.
This is genius! Thank you so much, reaper guru. It's such a good feeling to get more skills to work in my DAW. I do have a question; how do I avoid MIDI note data from moving when I change the tempo??
In PC I had to install an extension - SWS. Without it the control dragging of the marker would not work.
Did you play or find the melody? very sweet chords
What if the playing is organin and each bar have slight differences?
Reaper is a beast hands down.
Hi Kenny !
I have a question.... is it possible for you to go through all SWS features or if you already done it.... do you have a playlist?
I couldn't find it.... I was interested a lot in some tempo manipulation features and Cue Bus generator.... idk there seems to be a lot of interesting stuff that I never touched =(
Hi kenny, the new tempo markers dont show the vertical line, any ideas??
extremely useful vid
Can I set where beat 1 is w/o trimming? I kinda need the intro leading up to it...
I don't understand how it is a 12 minute long tutorial when this takes 10 seconds in protools
Thanks for helping to do that i know to do REAPER Thank You Very much!
So useful ! Thanks a ton Kenny !
When I delete the tempo marker the track stretches back to the original grid lines. I have it on time base, but the grids don't like to stay where I put them? Any help would be great! Is there an additional setting I am missing here?
Nice tutorial! Clear and concise!
Life saver! Thanks Kenny!
Thanks Kenny. I learned plenty as always and I can use it.
This is really useful the first time, but when you don't remember one step (because of Reaper's bloat) having to rewatch a 12 minute video gets frustrating. Not your fault of course.
Perfect explanation! Thanks! Your helping us learn!
when he rounds off the tempo to 77 at the end, does it time stretch the audio or shift the bar lines?
Couldn’t you use the tap temp feature as well and tap along with the song?
Wow, thank you so much! Very informative and well done!
Those 25 down votes are currently in an argument on a facebook reaper group page... asking this very question
Looking for something like this 2 days ago! Great! 💪🏼
Hi!
Newbie here. I got some tracks with recorded click on them. Tempo changes few times on every track.
Click is pretty loud so transients shoudl be transparent.
How do I map out automatically the grid according to the prerecorded click including the tempo changes?
PLS HELP!
OMG, THANK YOU KEN!
Great videos. I am learning a lot. I have a question. What if you have a piece of music and it was recorded on cassette tape and the tempo drifts? I made a number of tempo markers and moved them around to adjust for the fluctuations in the tape to accommodate this. But this piece of music has an intro to it that leads into the song. I can't figure out how to move the tracks with the tempo markers. When I move the tracks, the tempo markers stay in the same place which is not what I want. Any help?
THANK you. You da MAN, Kenny!
Thanks Kenny, more accurate than tap to tempo. :)
thank for the video. Can you do this to adjust time signitures, if somthing goes from 4 /4 to 7/8?