Let’s be honest tho, doesn’t anyone who has to write about themselves in an attempt to “impress” the reader come off a little self-absorbed?! I mean it’s how this whole thing works
It totally depends on the admission officers attitude and mood, you can sound super self absorbed and one officer might like it but the other will find faults.
@Suraj Shits On The Street I mean if they don't disturb the peace I don't see why they couldn't be let in- except in those cases they probably might lol. A businessman without a business probably won't hurt anyone.
@Suraj Shits On The Street Why the hell would a university opt for someone who helps the homeless rather than someone who becomes a celebrity and might bring more traffic... That seems like a bad business investment
@@queerlibtardhippie9357 Because there are limited spots and they want a credible reputation? Because having a good community member will have a positive impact on their community as a whole? Because they want to show that they have a soul? Morality and logic aren't always in opposition.
This honestly shows how ridiculous and elitist higher education has become. All of this to tell him he's self absorbed and not well rounded? What, did you want him to have a Pulitzer by now? Jesus christ.
To be fair, this is U of M, which is the most ridiculous and elitist public university in the Midwest, if not the entire country. That application would probably get very different responses at other schools.
UMich isn't just some random school, it's highly selective. And remember, he still got in, even if reader 2 thought he was self absorbed (and maybe they're right). Lots of applicants to top schools have impressive resumes and space is limited. You have to stand out in a positive way, and the school may have a specific type of candidate in mind to round out their class. That's their prerogative. They are not obligated to admit you. There are plenty of perfectly good schools that will take students with far less impressive resumes than this, even if you decide to write an essay on Clash of Clans.
Admission Counselor here! 🙋🏽♀️ The second reader needs to go through some extensive implicit bias training as well as learning how to be ethical and professional in their reasoning. Saying that you "come across as self-absorbed" is stated as a fact and not as an opinion and should never even be put in reader notes. Being rude in the notes is not the equivalent of being highly selective. They could've just said " Wish they made more connections to how their business can positively impact society". Reader 1 & 3 are the real MVP's.
Thank you for sharing this! It's great to see someone from the selection side offer their perspective. I think it would be great if schools in the US were more transparent about their selection process, such as offering students the opportunity to see their files, regardless of if they were admitted. It would help to motivate a few people, but also allow a lot of people to feel more at ease and less doubtful of their credentials or fit in a program/institution if they saw how varied the reader's opinion and perspective could be. There might be some bureaucratic red tape or FERPA laws that come into play here, but I think the way Jack was able to see his feedback should be how all academic application processes end.
@@Arri7979 there’s definitely some red tape but not as much as people would think! I think there’s been a widespread misinformation about it being taboo to ask for reader notes. I think this would also make many admissions counselors a lot more accountable and less bias when reading. But there has been a lot of context training in the admission process so we’re headed in the right direction but obviously not enough so here’s to hoping more students ask for their notes!
@@keylasebs - Thank you for responding! That's great to know! I definitely agree that there needs to be more awareness about this process. I'm glad admissions is working to become more context conscious and I agree that some readers would be held more accountable if applicants can see what they wrote. Do you know if you could also request reader notes if you apply at the graduate level? This is all very new to me and I already completed undergrad, so I would love to do this for future applications!
#2 was probably just being racist toward asians. it really comes through strongest in the interview stage according to most studies as asians tend to be untouchable in test scores and GPA. This is known to be the one way affirmative action hurts asians... rejecting qualified students cause "there's too many asians," so they usually go way too hard or show abject discrimination in the interview process. I feel like you should know about this if you're an admissions counselor...
@@fritzjackson4336 oh they 100% were being implicitly bias which is why they probably didn’t notice it or seek to grow out of their unethical way of reading their application. Most newbies know this like me, but people who have been in the industry for years have no intention of learning new reading techniques and great student like this guy get the shorter end of the stick! So sad
-> Tell us about your skills, talents, experience, aspirations, and everything else that makes you stand out from other applicants. -> You come across as very self-absorbed. Damn, even the people who set the application system up clearly don’t like how it works.
In this essay, I described my experience as doing research under Stephen Hawking and becoming the youngest Nobel laureate in physics ever. For that essay, Reader 2 gave me a 3.1
@@miapearson187 I'm guessing it's to do with people who are home schooled usually not knowing what it feels like to be in a classroom with a lot of other students. Admissions officers don't want to admit kids you aren't going to enjoy the experience at school. Also, they may have chosen to be home schooled because they didn't work well with other kids/ in a classroom environment.
He’s not self absorbed bc he spoke about himself he’s self absorbed bc his main goal was essentially to get rich and that’s fine but you should have some type of side goal that goes into helping others
@@itzjustki3629 To be fair though, were the prompts really asking him to apply his interests to a greater societal problem? If they had and he'd done a poor job doing so, sure. But they didn't, so it's a bit ridiculous to say 'this man is interested in business but didn't take it upon himself to mention how he would like to use his business interest to save the world. Therefore, he is extremely self absorbed.' That's just a ridiculous reach to take from a few essay prompts that weren't even about that. Also, it's a business school application, not an application to a school of social work. If they want him to talk about his interest in helping the community, they need to ask. If not, it's not fair to fault him for not bringing it up. I do agree that wealthy people need to give back, I just don't necessarily think these essay prompts would've lead him to talk about that.
I think Reader 2 may have had a subtle bias against Asian applicants. A lot of studies have come out showing that admissions officials who interview Asian students give them a comparable personality score to White/Latino/Black applicants. However, admissions officials who don't meet/interview the Asian students give them a lower personality score than White/Latino/Black applicants. Whats the cause of this discrepancy? A lot of activities that are popular amongst Asian students also tend to be devalued in relation to activities that are popular amongst non Asians. I'm sure the Chinese yoyo program (I honestly don't know what it is) is a legit avenue to build a community and develop leadership skills. I wonder how that would compare to an applicant who is a leader in his/her local parkour group. This post is not meant to be accusatory against particular admissions officers. Its intention is to acknowledge biases so that we can overcome them.
“We want you to be well-round but we also want you to be so advanced in your chosen field that we wonder why you are wasting your time applying to college when you should already be in college. Application has been denied.”
readers 1 and 2 seemed to have made an assumption about you from your first essay and then decided to give you the same lower score for the rest of the essays. i do find it hilarious that because reader 2 thought you were self absorbed and didn’t want to make a positive impact, they thought you would be successful at Ross haha
dtxx 〈3 oh yeah ik it’s just funny bc that sentence comes first and then the two sentences after come across like an “explanation” of the first one haha
Wow you took the criticism so well… I would find out who reader2 is and asked him what he contributes to the society. It’s very unprofessional of him to make assumption on things you did not mention in the essay. I was told that I should only judge based on what’s in the essay and try not to assume anything without solid evidence. Just because you did not say you’ll give back to the society doesn’t mean you won’t, and vice verse.
I think expectations of people in general is astronomical regardless of age. There's just too much pressure in the US (I'm from the US, so that's all I can speak for, but I'm sure this pressure is found in many other countries) to try to always be busy, perfect, confident, and contributing. It is really taxing on mental health and general wellbeing. This mentality is really going to bite us in the butt, if it hasn't already.
Didn’t know you can do this. I was never aware that the admissions department actually lets you go behind the scenes and see how they grade you on your application
If you don’t waive your ferpa rights and get accepted, you can see them. Waiving the right makes your letters of recommendations credible though. Teachers won’t write bad letters to your face.
@@makenainghram9062 from st. anford's fountain hopper: "I understand that I may have previously waived FERPA rights pertaining to recommendations provided through the Common Application. Be advised that, if selected, this waiver pertains solely to recommendations provided through the Common Application system."
@@makenainghram9062 when it asks you if you want to waive your rights, it specifically states that it's only applying to the recommendations, NOT all of the rights specified in the act.
I used to be a university recruiter for a well known tech company in Seattle and there are hiring managers EXACTLY like this. It’s so annoying... they only look at elitist schools or if you’ve worked at google, Facebook, etc... they have criteria that really weeds out diverse gems... it was frustrating declining those you knew could do well if they got a chance to prove and be coached or mentored.
isn’t the whole point of college apps to show off ur talent and achievements?? and now all of sudden ppl are being called self absorbed for doing exactly what the applications are asking for😭
Different people have differing points of view as well as standards. No need to be bitter about it. Besides, him never even mentioning wanting to make positive impacts through business, the only meaningful reason for pursuing business, is actually concerning. The last thing this world needs is even more business dudes that neglect morals and the environment in the name of profit and winning at monopoly, even more fucking Trumps and big oil/tobacco CEOs.
@@process6996 the nature of business is to make profit. the whole point of business is to make profit. its the job of legislators to push for ethical reforms, environmental regulations, and to stop monopolies from building.
I doubt the latter part of the statement is true but he may have had a bad day, it's been proven and said that when you have a bad day, oh can affect how you let in people, which really defines how you can get in through luck
@@faeishhh An interest in business is not reason enough to be accepted to a reputable business school. There are community colleges for that. Universities do have an agenda and it's not to teach you how to make money. It's to develop you into a good citizen of the world shaped in their image. The sneaker reselling and esports does sound like he was fluffing up his application a bit. Though he still got in so it's sort of irrelevant.
Thanks for giving us insight into what your admission file looked like! Definitely one of the most useful college admissions videos out there. Surprising to see two statements in the conclusions directly contradicting each other. Interpretation plays such a large role when it comes to the essay section.
I have had so much hard time for preparing for this school. I’m international student, and it can be happened that factors which I didn’t think that important were actually so valuable for college admission. I am so glad that I could see the details about UM’s application process. Thank you so so much!
College applications are getting ridiculous (I only had to write one or two essays per school when I applied to colleges; one for the common application, and one for the supplemental at each school). Also, what do you expect from a 17 year old? Sure some college applicants are older, but the bulk of college students at major Universities are traditional and straight out of high school. Most 25 year old people have no idea what they want or how the world works, let alone a 17 year old.
They are looking for qualities that can be kindled and mentored beyond just the academics. You can be young and immature but still, show an interest in the world outside yourself. I'd have to go back and look but did he have any extra-circular activities that weren't based on making money or hobbies he enjoyed? That tips them off and people can read between the lines but also we didn't get to read the essays.
if you think this is ridiculous, in one of Stanford’s admission video one of the officers literally said that because a student who studied german and loved volunteering didn’t do any volunteering in Germany they (the officers) felt very disappointed despite this student having an incredible list of extracurricular and grades.
When I applied EA for UMich in the fall, I wrote my common app essay in only 2-3 hours. No joke. Barely proofread it, and it was the cringiest thing I had ever written. I procrastinated hard-core on my application. My supplements were also quite rushed. Safe to say that all my essays were pretty bad. Today I got accepted! Moral of the story: don’t stress too much about your essays. They aren’t everything. There’s still other parts of the application they consider. If you don’t like your essay or whatever, don’t stress out. You’re wasting your time doing that.
This was so helpful!!! I learned that less well-known activities should be clearly explained and I should explain the positive impact of my activities. Your connection to CR and CoC was very inspiring because I am in a similar situation with eSports and going into the business strand haha... Thanks for giving me the inspiration :)
Thank you for this video.... This is a well proven doc. as to how subjective the admissions process is. I did not get into Duke, Alabama, Florida State, or Berkeley however, I got into Yale, Columbia, Howard, SMU, GW, and Rice. Waitlisted at Columbia, Dartmouth, Georgetown, and Venderbilt... Ultimately chose Howard and that was the best decision I have ever made.
@Mikaela Geraghty you would think but it happened to me and it has happened to many of my student colleagues.... The holistic process takes on many different meanings from school to school.
Would love to know your thought process on why you chose Howard. I understand the appeal but am curious to know your personal reasons, especially considering your Ivy League admissions.
@@monilark - I'm not the OP, so I can't speak on why he chose Howard over an Ivy League. But, I can say that I have definitely met people who have decided to not go to an Ivy League they applied to for financial, geographical, or social reasons. It definitely depends on the Ivy, but some schools don't offer the best financial aid packages because they know they can admit students who are willing to pay the sticker price. Some people who are unwilling to go to a school just for the name-brand recognition might choose to go to a school that offers them a better financial aid or scholarship package or a school in a more affordable or desirable part of the country (for example, if you want to live in DC after college, Howard seems like a better option over Yale which is in Connecticut). Also, a school's demographics also comes into play. I can see a lot of reasons why someone might turn down an Ivy in favor of somewhere else.
You don’t. Freshman year is next year. I took no second language. No extra curriculars. No volunteer hours. No clubs. Got accepted into one of the best schools in my state. Just get good grades and be a good writer
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ then yeah you need to be prepared but for most colleges you don’t really need shit. Just be smart study and do your homework and be dedicated.
P Sparta why they don’t teach about personal finance then? In italy we study mandatory latin philosophy world history italian and english literature nothing I’ll need
just depends on what school you want to go to. I think most schools (at least in my state) require 2 years of studying another language, so I’m surprised that first person didn’t take any...
Congratulations, Jack. You have everything to offer your school and community, and U of M is lucky to have you. This video alone shows a "selfless" gesture and will help prospective students. It was very transparent and humble. Thank you for sharing!
Hey Jack, I’ve just been admitted to the Ross School of Business as a direct admit and I’ve found your videos (this one especially) fascinating and helpful. I was wondering if we could have a conversation at some point. I have a lot of questions and even more blank spaces where I don’t even know what questions to ask. If so I’d be extremely grateful and I look forward to speaking with you soon!
Dear High School Seniors: don’t watch videos like this! Just try to chill and don’t worry, you’ll end up at a school and everything will be fine. Sincerely, a college freshman.
Dear High School Seniors: Go to trade school or enlist in the military if your major isn't engineering or science. Don't waste your time, go learn real skills and get real experience. Sincerely, a university graduate.
@@proton8689 I don't mean everyone, my belief that university is only worth it of you study science and engineering. If you're not good at those subject you'll be doing yourself a huge favor by taking on vocational work. The country needs technicians and engineers more than it needs left wing artists and snobbish academics.
@@MajorGeneralVeers Your beliefs are wrong because people who do study science and engineering still can't find a job. Or they still have huge debts. Same with medical doctors. Also, scientists and engineers would still be left-leaning. Opps.The more educated someone is, the more left they tend to be.
@Gerry Buckets your comment is not only disgusting and racist but also completely off base he worked very hard and deserves all the success he receives
@Gerry Buckets - Really? This is what you got from this? A racist and unorginal comment just because he cares about school and also happens to be Asian. Can we not be racist and prejudice and try to disguise it as an unfunny "joke"? He worked hard - full stop.
@Gerry Buckets - Again, a racist and gross stereotype. If you're Asian, why feed into the monolith myth and why make people of your own racial group the butt of a very unfunny "joke"? I'm Black, but you don't see me going around making unoriginal and unfunny jokes in the comments section of other Black people, especially when race was never mentioned in the original comment. It just doesn't make sense.
If this man wants to be selfabsorbed in high school and do everything for him and focus on him and his future before branching out into bigger things in society THATS OKAY! Focus on getting big for you and your family and loved ones. They expect everybody to be talking about ending world hunger and poverty. When you haven’t even done it for yourself. Sad that you do ALL THESE THINGS in high school and they summarize you into something so short of who you truly are. I was ASB athletics commissioner, Christian club president, RSVP club president, Track/XC captain and CIF competitor, student ambassador, student council member. My recommendations were the mayor of Anaheim (where Disney is), and the superintendent of my high school district. I had water bottle refill stations installed at school AND had lunch donated to the homeless at the end of the day instead of having it Thrown out. I had a 3.8GPA with honors and AP classes on top of sports. I did all this. And I got accepted to 2 cal states and no universities. I got one award. National honors society. That I had to PAY for. Out of pocket. AND during senior award night they gave me 1 award. The NHS award (which I paid for) and they pronounced my name wrong. I refused to go up. I went to get my paper later after the ceremony and they said they already trashed it. I went to community, dropped out, and now investing in real estate and I at 19 years old started making 20 an hour. Don’t let schools determine who you are.
@@pandorasboxofstuff186 why take such an aggressive approach? that is literally the basis of unneccessary arguments. he was just informing us of his experience with college admission, which is valuable advice to consider. be a bit nicer next time :)
@@stopgettingtriggered most programs in universities across canada dont need essays as an admission requirement, just grades. The competitive programs (pre-med related) in the top university of my city require an essay though. Idk about the universities across Canada but I assume the top programs in Canada such as computer sciences at waterloo or business at UBC will require an essay and extra curriculars in addition to academics.
@Raul Herrero - I mean Reader 2 could do their job without saying things like "he comes off as self-absorbed" which is more of an opinion than constructive criticism, especially if they don't provide examples beyond, "He didn't say this." I would say Reader 1 found a nice balance of being critical and encouraging and Reader 3 obviously saw his potential and wanted him to attend their institution. Saying Reader 2 was trying to do an honest job, makes me wonder what you thought Reader 1 and Reader 3 were doing?
I was a reader for college scholarship essays, and it was enlightening to see the backside of it all. I did not go to U of M, but instead a smaller less prestigious university in Michigan. As a recipient of a scholarship when I was an incoming freshman, I had to read the essays of the incoming freshman who were now vying for the scholarship. There was a defined rubric, but as a STEM major I hadn't been in a traditional essay focused class for years and found there is still definitely subjectivity to the grading. Also within my stack of essays I found it hard to not succumb to contrast bias.
I watched this on October 25th, 2020. Never would have guessed that I would end up going to Michigan. I must say, I am looking forward to trying this myself. If it’s nice, then great. If it’s mean, then I could certainly use a good ego gut punch. Also, I love the description, has everything one could want in it. Go 🔵
That was some interesting consumer feedback from your admissions team. Who would have thought that most decisions are made to fulfil emotional shortcomings. Enlightening.
2:05 so Demonstrated Interest is a thing! My teachers don't let us go to college tours (and miss class- even if it's just 30 min when they visit our hs) bc they say it's not a thing :/
aa Schools will one hundred percent take into consideration demonstrated interest, shame on your teachers for saying otherwise! That being said an in-school visit isn’t the only way to demonstrate interest, but it definitely helps! Try getting in contact with the admissions department and see if they have any online information sessions.
@@allisongallagher2037 not all schools care about demonstrated interest though. if you search up the school's common data set you can tell for sure if they care about it
This is a legitamely going to help me when I start applying to colleges in the near future. It's nice to know that they're looking for aspirations to impact other people and not your own achievements.
I'm a professional esports player for Clash Royale and actually wrote about it in my common app. Was sorta shook when you mentioned you did the same lol because I thought it was a very niche topic
no, I doubt that sneaker reselling and esports are uncommon in applications; in fact I’d assume quite the opposite. They just don’t elaborate for themselves a clear contribution to community or society. But I guess if you’re going into business that’s really not that relevant, is it :>
the fact you think esports are common confuses me cause apparently i stood out for my esports club i made (the first in my school) which got tons of funding and support due to how i ran it and advertised it
I don't think either of these are common for people to mention when applying for a university. These might be common to you, but from an admissions perspective, I highly doubt most people would mention something like this because they may not see it as academically relevant, but in actuality I think it helps an applicant stand out. A lot of the people reviewing these applications are not in the same age group as most of their applicants. These two things could be extremely uncommon to them and I think Jack's critique about how he probably could have explained something like esports and it's contribution better in his application is valid. I can definitely see how both of these could benefit certain communities or society (way for people to conduct entrepreneur endeavors without the need for an advanced degree (sneaker reselling), a way for individuals from different backgrounds to connect via a virtual landscape (esports), but I think they just need to be explained.
I graduated summa cum laude from a reasonably well-regarded state school 12 years ago. These days, I don't know if I would be admitted to any college with even semi-competitive admissions. It is crazy how much they expect kids to do these days! Competitive swimming, research, teaching assistant, founding and leading clubs and teams, all while earning excellent grades? When the heck do they expect students to eat and sleep?
This is the best example of what Admissions Officers bring to the admissions process, which is their own personal biases. Reader 2 has no business being involved in admissions since he/she clearly isn't equipped to distinguish between sh#t and shinola.
8:15 uh, honestly I think the reason it was deemed questionable was because it seems like you were stretching yourself thin and didn't personalize the effects in which esports has impacted you. College admissions officers can tell when a student is trying to overachieve to the point they do extracurriculars that are not meaningful to them. It has absolutely nothing to do with hoe common the extracurricular is.
I think the problem was the lack of community involvement. An important part of your application is to show how you have utilized your passion to give back to your community. This really does include volunteer hours where there’s no certificate at the end. This is something you should remember if you’re intending to apply to graduate school as well.
I am so glad that we don’t have to do these 5 essays to enter uni in Australia. There’s lots of different ways to enter but writing essays is not one of them.
@@allisoncarr9998 I think the person is talking about "Columbia" being interpreted as Columbia University being on the same shirt as michigan university
First, super impressive work, really well done. Second, it’d be way more fair if Unis just looked at which classes you took, how well you did in those and then your SAT score. Essentially all other evaluations are just way too subjective and leaves room for implicit and explicit bias. For instance, people on the left who are against Asians being over represented in admissions, mentioning your ethnic background might’ve held you back whereas for someone on the right who values investing you could’ve gotten an extra boost. That being said, congrats and best of luck with your studies.
I’ve never done any extracurricular except for FBLA (I skipped my sophomore year. I’m a junior now). And when I mean never, I mean never in my entire school career. I was always afraid of failing, embarrassing myself, and ruining the whole team. I’m afraid because of my decisions colleges won’t accept because it looks like I won’t offer anything in thoughts of the school but I really do. I just don’t have anything to prove it.
I think the best way to reconcile the difference of opinions between different admissions officers (regarding your essays) is to think of it like a random forest model. Each admissions officer is a decision tree and they all have their own opinions about your essay (and they could be contradictory opinions). By averaging their results across multiple trees (i.e. admission officers), the model would produce a low variance rating of your essays, thus leading to a more reliable result than using just one tree/admissions officer. The key to making sure this admission process can achieve quality results is to have admissions officers that come from a variety of backgrounds (i.e. uncorrelated trees) and to have lots of them review your essay. Generally, good random forest models would have at least 50 trees in the model, in this instance, due to costs, 5 admissions officers would be sufficient. I think having 3 admissions officers would be cutting it close when it comes to reducing the variance of the essay ratings.
Hey Jack, just got into LSA and this video was super helpful!! When you asked to see your file, did you have to give a reason or do they just let you see it?
"Holistic review" is used to discriminate against Asians in favor of blacks and Hispanics, read up on the Harvard case. It has been made quite evident that the admission board intentionally downgrades Asians in the character trait category, so as to make more room for the affirmative action matriculants.
Honestly, it's pretty awesome that you can actually view your admissions file. I'm pretty sure mine is non-existent since I was accepted via guaranteed admissions (Tulane). Lol, not that I was as stacked as you were in hs. I just did the minimum my parents would accept. No more, no less.
i would argue that esports and ecommerce sneaker business is ahead of their time and they need to adapt with the times. thx for sharing. u don't sound self-absored what so ever lol.
I'm very curious to see what mine says...I got in early admission but after hearing about your resumé I'm shocked I even got in at all. I took a risk and wrote my commonapp essay about failure and not how I overcame it, but how I'm working to move forward. It was kind of negative so I'm curious as to what they thought about it. I think the academic essay I wrote was really good, though, because I wrote about RC and how it would build upon my exchange year in high school and will prepare me for my dream job. Anyways, thanks for sharing! Very interesting to see what the admissions readers think
Great video, great insight. Are you a resident of Michigan? Do you know if it is more difficult or easier for out of state applicants to get into U Mich Ross? Thank you.
dang the college process really just depends on who's reading ur file and what mood they're in. rip.
Seriously
Just like a job
it really do be that way
Nobody tells you this but the easiest way into selective universities is sports, my friend with a 3.1 cumulative gpa for in to Harvard to ski
@@kaimeyers5145 most people know this. most people also don’t want to do sports.
Let’s be honest tho, doesn’t anyone who has to write about themselves in an attempt to “impress” the reader come off a little self-absorbed?! I mean it’s how this whole thing works
It totally depends on the admission officers attitude and mood, you can sound super self absorbed and one officer might like it but the other will find faults.
i really don't see why he can't be self-absorbed. like why is that the college's problem as long as he graduates lol
@Suraj Shits On The Street I mean if they don't disturb the peace I don't see why they couldn't be let in- except in those cases they probably might lol. A businessman without a business probably won't hurt anyone.
@Suraj Shits On The Street Why the hell would a university opt for someone who helps the homeless rather than someone who becomes a celebrity and might bring more traffic...
That seems like a bad business investment
@@queerlibtardhippie9357 Because there are limited spots and they want a credible reputation? Because having a good community member will have a positive impact on their community as a whole? Because they want to show that they have a soul? Morality and logic aren't always in opposition.
This honestly shows how ridiculous and elitist higher education has become. All of this to tell him he's self absorbed and not well rounded? What, did you want him to have a Pulitzer by now? Jesus christ.
This is just classic Wolverine Antics.
Go Green.
To be fair, this is U of M, which is the most ridiculous and elitist public university in the Midwest, if not the entire country. That application would probably get very different responses at other schools.
@@leespeed91 We may come from different schools, but I'm sure we can both agree: screw Jim Harbaugh and the Wolverines. Go Bucks!
I love how they also attend ignorant of esports and e-commerce and therefore decide it’s “questionable”. So ridiculous.
UMich isn't just some random school, it's highly selective. And remember, he still got in, even if reader 2 thought he was self absorbed (and maybe they're right). Lots of applicants to top schools have impressive resumes and space is limited. You have to stand out in a positive way, and the school may have a specific type of candidate in mind to round out their class. That's their prerogative. They are not obligated to admit you. There are plenty of perfectly good schools that will take students with far less impressive resumes than this, even if you decide to write an essay on Clash of Clans.
Admission Counselor here! 🙋🏽♀️ The second reader needs to go through some extensive implicit bias training as well as learning how to be ethical and professional in their reasoning. Saying that you "come across as self-absorbed" is stated as a fact and not as an opinion and should never even be put in reader notes. Being rude in the notes is not the equivalent of being highly selective. They could've just said " Wish they made more connections to how their business can positively impact society". Reader 1 & 3 are the real MVP's.
Thank you for sharing this! It's great to see someone from the selection side offer their perspective. I think it would be great if schools in the US were more transparent about their selection process, such as offering students the opportunity to see their files, regardless of if they were admitted. It would help to motivate a few people, but also allow a lot of people to feel more at ease and less doubtful of their credentials or fit in a program/institution if they saw how varied the reader's opinion and perspective could be. There might be some bureaucratic red tape or FERPA laws that come into play here, but I think the way Jack was able to see his feedback should be how all academic application processes end.
@@Arri7979 there’s definitely some red tape but not as much as people would think! I think there’s been a widespread misinformation about it being taboo to ask for reader notes. I think this would also make many admissions counselors a lot more accountable and less bias when reading. But there has been a lot of context training in the admission process so we’re headed in the right direction but obviously not enough so here’s to hoping more students ask for their notes!
@@keylasebs - Thank you for responding! That's great to know! I definitely agree that there needs to be more awareness about this process. I'm glad admissions is working to become more context conscious and I agree that some readers would be held more accountable if applicants can see what they wrote. Do you know if you could also request reader notes if you apply at the graduate level? This is all very new to me and I already completed undergrad, so I would love to do this for future applications!
#2 was probably just being racist toward asians. it really comes through strongest in the interview stage according to most studies as asians tend to be untouchable in test scores and GPA. This is known to be the one way affirmative action hurts asians... rejecting qualified students cause "there's too many asians," so they usually go way too hard or show abject discrimination in the interview process. I feel like you should know about this if you're an admissions counselor...
@@fritzjackson4336 oh they 100% were being implicitly bias which is why they probably didn’t notice it or seek to grow out of their unethical way of reading their application. Most newbies know this like me, but people who have been in the industry for years have no intention of learning new reading techniques and great student like this guy get the shorter end of the stick! So sad
Reader 3 is the only person who got their coffee that morning
🤣yeah, his achievements are more than my life long activities
damn bruh reader 3 really a homie
-> Tell us about your skills, talents, experience, aspirations, and everything else that makes you stand out from other applicants.
-> You come across as very self-absorbed.
Damn, even the people who set the application system up clearly don’t like how it works.
huh?? GD creators on college admission file overview??
RIGHT???
tbh makes me want to claw my own eyeballs out and eat them
@@embersremembers with extra salt plz
dvceiale dramatic much?
Reader 3 was your biggest fan, they were constantly picking you up. That Reader 2 tho..
In this essay, I described my experience as doing research under Stephen Hawking and becoming the youngest Nobel laureate in physics ever. For that essay, Reader 2 gave me a 3.1
I think you misread it, Reader 2 gave you a 1.3
“Not well rounded” despite having a wide range of activities
Seriously, if that is considered "not well rounded" everybody might as well just be squares.
Zhang Jiang hahahah
Having worked in college admissions for 10 years, I can confirm that there can be a strong anti-home school bias when reviewing applications.
@@shortygreyhannah how come if it’s ok for me to ask??
@@miapearson187 I'm guessing it's to do with people who are home schooled usually not knowing what it feels like to be in a classroom with a lot of other students. Admissions officers don't want to admit kids you aren't going to enjoy the experience at school. Also, they may have chosen to be home schooled because they didn't work well with other kids/ in a classroom environment.
Reader 2 got scammed by a Chinese spam email and then held a grudge against every Asian with good business sense.
self-absorbed?? wtf 😭😭 everyone has to talk about themselves
Don't forget the "extremely"
He’s not self absorbed bc he spoke about himself he’s self absorbed bc his main goal was essentially to get rich and that’s fine but you should have some type of side goal that goes into helping others
@@itzjustki3629 You aren't forced to help others tbh
@@itzjustki3629 To be fair though, were the prompts really asking him to apply his interests to a greater societal problem? If they had and he'd done a poor job doing so, sure. But they didn't, so it's a bit ridiculous to say 'this man is interested in business but didn't take it upon himself to mention how he would like to use his business interest to save the world. Therefore, he is extremely self absorbed.' That's just a ridiculous reach to take from a few essay prompts that weren't even about that. Also, it's a business school application, not an application to a school of social work. If they want him to talk about his interest in helping the community, they need to ask. If not, it's not fair to fault him for not bringing it up. I do agree that wealthy people need to give back, I just don't necessarily think these essay prompts would've lead him to talk about that.
@@itzjustki3629 why?
Reader 2:
Yeah this looks like a 4.5 to me, I'ma give it a 3.1
reader 2 was trippin
kariyu
kariyu y r u here
I think Reader 2 may have had a subtle bias against Asian applicants. A lot of studies have come out showing that admissions officials who interview Asian students give them a comparable personality score to White/Latino/Black applicants. However, admissions officials who don't meet/interview the Asian students give them a lower personality score than White/Latino/Black applicants. Whats the cause of this discrepancy?
A lot of activities that are popular amongst Asian students also tend to be devalued in relation to activities that are popular amongst non Asians. I'm sure the Chinese yoyo program (I honestly don't know what it is) is a legit avenue to build a community and develop leadership skills. I wonder how that would compare to an applicant who is a leader in his/her local parkour group.
This post is not meant to be accusatory against particular admissions officers. Its intention is to acknowledge biases so that we can overcome them.
Pratik Deshpande Survivorship bias
Grumble Bee Explain.
@@vf7302 Gee, thanks
v f “will do anything to be seen by white people” um lol stop generalizing
@v f the hell, dude
Reader 2 needs to chill
Jeanne Lin exactly
“We want you to be well-round but we also want you to be so advanced in your chosen field that we wonder why you are wasting your time applying to college when you should already be in college. Application has been denied.”
readers 1 and 2 seemed to have made an assumption about you from your first essay and then decided to give you the same lower score for the rest of the essays. i do find it hilarious that because reader 2 thought you were self absorbed and didn’t want to make a positive impact, they thought you would be successful at Ross haha
i think they meant more like academically successful at Ross (with course rigor, etc)
dtxx 〈3 oh yeah ik it’s just funny bc that sentence comes first and then the two sentences after come across like an “explanation” of the first one haha
R 1 was fair I think tbh
@@glamourgurlz16 I mean, Ross does have that reputation
Reader 3 is the simp everyone needs. The best hype man. Reader 3 is like a personal stan. The GOAT.
Wow you took the criticism so well… I would find out who reader2 is and asked him what he contributes to the society. It’s very unprofessional of him to make assumption on things you did not mention in the essay. I was told that I should only judge based on what’s in the essay and try not to assume anything without solid evidence. Just because you did not say you’ll give back to the society doesn’t mean you won’t, and vice verse.
I swear to god these expectations for 18 year olds are astronomical. So many of us were still just trying to find our way in life.
I think expectations of people in general is astronomical regardless of age. There's just too much pressure in the US (I'm from the US, so that's all I can speak for, but I'm sure this pressure is found in many other countries) to try to always be busy, perfect, confident, and contributing. It is really taxing on mental health and general wellbeing. This mentality is really going to bite us in the butt, if it hasn't already.
You take criticism well, which is an invaluable skill. Best of luck!
Didn’t know you can do this. I was never aware that the admissions department actually lets you go behind the scenes and see how they grade you on your application
is it only if you're accepted?
Nick Ando im like 99%sure yes
If you don’t waive your ferpa rights and get accepted, you can see them. Waiving the right makes your letters of recommendations credible though. Teachers won’t write bad letters to your face.
@@makenainghram9062 from st. anford's fountain hopper: "I understand that I may have previously waived FERPA rights pertaining to recommendations provided through the Common Application. Be advised that, if selected, this waiver pertains solely to recommendations provided through the Common Application system."
@@makenainghram9062 when it asks you if you want to waive your rights, it specifically states that it's only applying to the recommendations, NOT all of the rights specified in the act.
I used to be a university recruiter for a well known tech company in Seattle and there are hiring managers EXACTLY like this. It’s so annoying... they only look at elitist schools or if you’ve worked at google, Facebook, etc... they have criteria that really weeds out diverse gems... it was frustrating declining those you knew could do well if they got a chance to prove and be coached or mentored.
This is honestly the most valuable college admission video I've seen on youtube. Thank you for posting this!
isn’t the whole point of college apps to show off ur talent and achievements?? and now all of sudden ppl are being called self absorbed for doing exactly what the applications are asking for😭
Reader 2 just sounds like an overly academic loser who’s mad the applicant is smarter than them.
Different people have differing points of view as well as standards. No need to be bitter about it.
Besides, him never even mentioning wanting to make positive impacts through business, the only meaningful reason for pursuing business, is actually concerning. The last thing this world needs is even more business dudes that neglect morals and the environment in the name of profit and winning at monopoly, even more fucking Trumps and big oil/tobacco CEOs.
@@process6996 what if he just has an interest in business
@@process6996 the nature of business is to make profit. the whole point of business is to make profit. its the job of legislators to push for ethical reforms, environmental regulations, and to stop monopolies from building.
I doubt the latter part of the statement is true but he may have had a bad day, it's been proven and said that when you have a bad day, oh can affect how you let in people, which really defines how you can get in through luck
@@faeishhh An interest in business is not reason enough to be accepted to a reputable business school. There are community colleges for that. Universities do have an agenda and it's not to teach you how to make money. It's to develop you into a good citizen of the world shaped in their image.
The sneaker reselling and esports does sound like he was fluffing up his application a bit. Though he still got in so it's sort of irrelevant.
College Essay: *Write about yourself.*
College Admissions: “He/she is self-absorbed because he talks about himself too much.”
Thanks for giving us insight into what your admission file looked like! Definitely one of the most useful college admissions videos out there.
Surprising to see two statements in the conclusions directly contradicting each other. Interpretation plays such a large role when it comes to the essay section.
The 67 dislikes all from reader 2’s accounts
I have had so much hard time for preparing for this school. I’m international student, and it can be happened that factors which I didn’t think that important were actually so valuable for college admission. I am so glad that I could see the details about UM’s application process. Thank you so so much!
College applications are getting ridiculous (I only had to write one or two essays per school when I applied to colleges; one for the common application, and one for the supplemental at each school). Also, what do you expect from a 17 year old? Sure some college applicants are older, but the bulk of college students at major Universities are traditional and straight out of high school. Most 25 year old people have no idea what they want or how the world works, let alone a 17 year old.
They are looking for qualities that can be kindled and mentored beyond just the academics. You can be young and immature but still, show an interest in the world outside yourself. I'd have to go back and look but did he have any extra-circular activities that weren't based on making money or hobbies he enjoyed? That tips them off and people can read between the lines but also we didn't get to read the essays.
Tbh, how many business majors are going to leave a positive societal impact
if you think this is ridiculous, in one of Stanford’s admission video one of the officers literally said that because a student who studied german and loved volunteering didn’t do any volunteering in Germany they (the officers) felt very disappointed despite this student having an incredible list of extracurricular and grades.
When I applied EA for UMich in the fall, I wrote my common app essay in only 2-3 hours. No joke. Barely proofread it, and it was the cringiest thing I had ever written. I procrastinated hard-core on my application.
My supplements were also quite rushed. Safe to say that all my essays were pretty bad.
Today I got accepted! Moral of the story: don’t stress too much about your essays. They aren’t everything. There’s still other parts of the application they consider. If you don’t like your essay or whatever, don’t stress out. You’re wasting your time doing that.
Agreed! I was in a very similar situation. And I was an Intl CS applicant:)
This was so helpful!!! I learned that less well-known activities should be clearly explained and I should explain the positive impact of my activities. Your connection to CR and CoC was very inspiring because I am in a similar situation with eSports and going into the business strand haha... Thanks for giving me the inspiration :)
Thank you for this video.... This is a well proven doc. as to how subjective the admissions process is. I did not get into Duke, Alabama, Florida State, or Berkeley however, I got into Yale, Columbia, Howard, SMU, GW, and Rice. Waitlisted at Columbia, Dartmouth, Georgetown, and Venderbilt... Ultimately chose Howard and that was the best decision I have ever made.
@Mikaela Geraghty you would think but it happened to me and it has happened to many of my student colleagues.... The holistic process takes on many different meanings from school to school.
are you from outside of california? that could be a pretty huge factor in you not getting into berkeley
Would love to know your thought process on why you chose Howard. I understand the appeal but am curious to know your personal reasons, especially considering your Ivy League admissions.
Placing myself here to read if he replies
@@monilark - I'm not the OP, so I can't speak on why he chose Howard over an Ivy League. But, I can say that I have definitely met people who have decided to not go to an Ivy League they applied to for financial, geographical, or social reasons. It definitely depends on the Ivy, but some schools don't offer the best financial aid packages because they know they can admit students who are willing to pay the sticker price. Some people who are unwilling to go to a school just for the name-brand recognition might choose to go to a school that offers them a better financial aid or scholarship package or a school in a more affordable or desirable part of the country (for example, if you want to live in DC after college, Howard seems like a better option over Yale which is in Connecticut). Also, a school's demographics also comes into play. I can see a lot of reasons why someone might turn down an Ivy in favor of somewhere else.
Recent U of M grad here. You killed it! Good luck with your future endeavors!
bruhh youve literally done everything 😭 and yet ur "not well rounded "
Why tf you have to be so prepared to get in college
You don’t. Freshman year is next year. I took no second language. No extra curriculars. No volunteer hours. No clubs. Got accepted into one of the best schools in my state. Just get good grades and be a good writer
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ then yeah you need to be prepared but for most colleges you don’t really need shit. Just be smart study and do your homework and be dedicated.
P Sparta why they don’t teach about personal finance then? In italy we study mandatory latin philosophy world history italian and english literature nothing I’ll need
P Sparta that’s what I am doing but to do so i really set aside school which has become irrelevant in my life
just depends on what school you want to go to. I think most schools (at least in my state) require 2 years of studying another language, so I’m surprised that first person didn’t take any...
Congratulations, Jack. You have everything to offer your school and community, and U of M is lucky to have you. This video alone shows a "selfless" gesture and will help prospective students. It was very transparent and humble. Thank you for sharing!
I think reader 2 was having a bad day
Reader 2 seems pretty anti-Asian imo
Grumble Bee the bias is real unfortunately
Hey Jack, I’ve just been admitted to the Ross School of Business as a direct admit and I’ve found your videos (this one especially) fascinating and helpful. I was wondering if we could have a conversation at some point. I have a lot of questions and even more blank spaces where I don’t even know what questions to ask. If so I’d be extremely grateful and I look forward to speaking with you soon!
What is reader 2 on, they were really harsh! Damn
Hi Allen
@@bartonlu2721 bruh
a divorce
my orch teacher always tells us the circumstances of the reader can affect ur admissions. the officer might have woken up on the wrong side of the bed
oh shit im here too
Wow so one reader hated him, another was neutral, and the 3rd loved him?! Dang that’s crazzzyyyy, shows how subjective the process is-kinda scary
Who is reader 3 and how do I request him?
Dear High School Seniors: don’t watch videos like this! Just try to chill and don’t worry, you’ll end up at a school and everything will be fine. Sincerely, a college freshman.
Dear High School Seniors: Go to trade school or enlist in the military if your major isn't engineering or science. Don't waste your time, go learn real skills and get real experience. Sincerely, a university graduate.
@@MajorGeneralVeers If everyone went to trade school, then trade school would become diluted and you'll have a bunch of people without jobs.
@@proton8689 I don't mean everyone, my belief that university is only worth it of you study science and engineering. If you're not good at those subject you'll be doing yourself a huge favor by taking on vocational work.
The country needs technicians and engineers more than it needs left wing artists and snobbish academics.
@@MajorGeneralVeers
Your beliefs are wrong because people who do study science and engineering still can't find a job. Or they still have huge debts. Same with medical doctors.
Also, scientists and engineers would still be left-leaning. Opps.The more educated someone is, the more left they tend to be.
I was wondering when politics would kick in.
This guy goes hard at school jesus
@Gerry Buckets your comment is not only disgusting and racist but also completely off base he worked very hard and deserves all the success he receives
@Gerry Buckets - Really? This is what you got from this? A racist and unorginal comment just because he cares about school and also happens to be Asian. Can we not be racist and prejudice and try to disguise it as an unfunny "joke"? He worked hard - full stop.
@Gerry Buckets - Again, a racist and gross stereotype. If you're Asian, why feed into the monolith myth and why make people of your own racial group the butt of a very unfunny "joke"? I'm Black, but you don't see me going around making unoriginal and unfunny jokes in the comments section of other Black people, especially when race was never mentioned in the original comment. It just doesn't make sense.
@Gerry Buckets shut up
@@Arri7979 Do you happen to be reader 2?
Recent grad here! Thanks for sharing those insightful comments with us. Great video overall and all the best!
If this man wants to be selfabsorbed in high school and do everything for him and focus on him and his future before branching out into bigger things in society THATS OKAY! Focus on getting big for you and your family and loved ones. They expect everybody to be talking about ending world hunger and poverty. When you haven’t even done it for yourself. Sad that you do ALL THESE THINGS in high school and they summarize you into something so short of who you truly are. I was ASB athletics commissioner, Christian club president, RSVP club president, Track/XC captain and CIF competitor, student ambassador, student council member. My recommendations were the mayor of Anaheim (where Disney is), and the superintendent of my high school district. I had water bottle refill stations installed at school AND had lunch donated to the homeless at the end of the day instead of having it Thrown out. I had a 3.8GPA with honors and AP classes on top of sports. I did all this. And I got accepted to 2 cal states and no universities. I got one award. National honors society. That I had to PAY for. Out of pocket. AND during senior award night they gave me 1 award. The NHS award (which I paid for) and they pronounced my name wrong. I refused to go up. I went to get my paper later after the ceremony and they said they already trashed it. I went to community, dropped out, and now investing in real estate and I at 19 years old started making 20 an hour. Don’t let schools determine who you are.
Richy, Not Richie r/nooneasked
@@pandorasboxofstuff186 why take such an aggressive approach? that is literally the basis of unneccessary arguments. he was just informing us of his experience with college admission, which is valuable advice to consider. be a bit nicer next time :)
It may be because your too self absorbed 🤔
I don’t think I want to look at my admissions files
so glad i live in canada and dont have to write a bunch of essays to get into university
Canada only uses test scores to get into university?
@@stopgettingtriggered most programs in universities across canada dont need essays as an admission requirement, just grades. The competitive programs (pre-med related) in the top university of my city require an essay though. Idk about the universities across Canada but I assume the top programs in Canada such as computer sciences at waterloo or business at UBC will require an essay and extra curriculars in addition to academics.
@@awos3663 UBC needs a personal profile
@@orbitalpotato9940 ah I see
wow the second reader is very strict
@Raul Herrero - I mean Reader 2 could do their job without saying things like "he comes off as self-absorbed" which is more of an opinion than constructive criticism, especially if they don't provide examples beyond, "He didn't say this." I would say Reader 1 found a nice balance of being critical and encouraging and Reader 3 obviously saw his potential and wanted him to attend their institution. Saying Reader 2 was trying to do an honest job, makes me wonder what you thought Reader 1 and Reader 3 were doing?
I was a reader for college scholarship essays, and it was enlightening to see the backside of it all. I did not go to U of M, but instead a smaller less prestigious university in Michigan. As a recipient of a scholarship when I was an incoming freshman, I had to read the essays of the incoming freshman who were now vying for the scholarship. There was a defined rubric, but as a STEM major I hadn't been in a traditional essay focused class for years and found there is still definitely subjectivity to the grading. Also within my stack of essays I found it hard to not succumb to contrast bias.
I watched this on October 25th, 2020. Never would have guessed that I would end up going to Michigan. I must say, I am looking forward to trying this myself. If it’s nice, then great. If it’s mean, then I could certainly use a good ego gut punch.
Also, I love the description, has everything one could want in it.
Go 🔵
I like how they kept giving the same score, especially reader 2... shows how biased they are...
Ok self absorbed? We all want to impress the admission officers... reader 2 and reader 3 look like they rate a totally different application😂
That was some interesting consumer feedback from your admissions team. Who would have thought that most decisions are made to fulfil emotional shortcomings. Enlightening.
2:05 so Demonstrated Interest is a thing! My teachers don't let us go to college tours (and miss class- even if it's just 30 min when they visit our hs) bc they say it's not a thing :/
aa Schools will one hundred percent take into consideration demonstrated interest, shame on your teachers for saying otherwise! That being said an in-school visit isn’t the only way to demonstrate interest, but it definitely helps! Try getting in contact with the admissions department and see if they have any online information sessions.
My school lets you take 2 days off senior and junior year for visits and forces you to talk to the college reps when they come lol
@@allisongallagher2037 not all schools care about demonstrated interest though. if you search up the school's common data set you can tell for sure if they care about it
Talk to your admissions counselor!! I’ve been talking to mine since the summer and she is amazing 🥺
Dang, 35 ACT
This is a legitamely going to help me when I start applying to colleges in the near future. It's nice to know that they're looking for aspirations to impact other people and not your own achievements.
You handled the criticism from reader 2 so well. I just wonder if they came in with some bias and that’s what influenced his/her score.
The readers are human and so they come with personal biases. So it depends on who looks at your application. That's just life.
I didn’t even know you could do this. Not sure if my school is going to let me see this but I want to try now
I’m so glad I saw this after starting college. My biggest fear with any application is sounding self absorbed but isn’t that the point?!
I'm a professional esports player for Clash Royale and actually wrote about it in my common app. Was sorta shook when you mentioned you did the same lol because I thought it was a very niche topic
what did you write about bro
love how direct this video was
no, I doubt that sneaker reselling and esports are uncommon in applications; in fact I’d assume quite the opposite. They just don’t elaborate for themselves a clear contribution to community or society. But I guess if you’re going into business that’s really not that relevant, is it :>
the fact you think esports are common confuses me cause apparently i stood out for my esports club i made (the first in my school) which got tons of funding and support due to how i ran it and advertised it
KA0S mate you’re talking about just your school
I don't think either of these are common for people to mention when applying for a university. These might be common to you, but from an admissions perspective, I highly doubt most people would mention something like this because they may not see it as academically relevant, but in actuality I think it helps an applicant stand out.
A lot of the people reviewing these applications are not in the same age group as most of their applicants. These two things could be extremely uncommon to them and I think Jack's critique about how he probably could have explained something like esports and it's contribution better in his application is valid. I can definitely see how both of these could benefit certain communities or society (way for people to conduct entrepreneur endeavors without the need for an advanced degree (sneaker reselling), a way for individuals from different backgrounds to connect via a virtual landscape (esports), but I think they just need to be explained.
I graduated summa cum laude from a reasonably well-regarded state school 12 years ago. These days, I don't know if I would be admitted to any college with even semi-competitive admissions. It is crazy how much they expect kids to do these days! Competitive swimming, research, teaching assistant, founding and leading clubs and teams, all while earning excellent grades? When the heck do they expect students to eat and sleep?
This is the best example of what Admissions Officers bring to the admissions process, which is their own personal biases. Reader 2 has no business being involved in admissions since he/she clearly isn't equipped to distinguish between sh#t and shinola.
Clearly? His grades are closer to the other reader's compared to reader 3's. Clearly reader 3 is the one outside the norm here
8:15 uh, honestly I think the reason it was deemed questionable was because it seems like you were stretching yourself thin and didn't personalize the effects in which esports has impacted you. College admissions officers can tell when a student is trying to overachieve to the point they do extracurriculars that are not meaningful to them. It has absolutely nothing to do with hoe common the extracurricular is.
All these admissions files videos do is just convince me I’m getting into nowhere but I keep watching them and idk why
Really cool video. Props to you, man!
I think the problem was the lack of community involvement. An important part of your application is to show how you have utilized your passion to give back to your community. This really does include volunteer hours where there’s no certificate at the end. This is something you should remember if you’re intending to apply to graduate school as well.
I am so glad that we don’t have to do these 5 essays to enter uni in Australia. There’s lots of different ways to enter but writing essays is not one of them.
what were the extracurriculars that they did not mention
also thanks for this video !! :)
High school student ambassador and community service
Jack Liu Thanks for the answer. It will help me a lot.
Shows how much the reader matters, and how lucky admissions is!
omg we made a similar video and yours is helping ours pop off too! much love HAH
Congratulations. You had an extremely strong application. Good luck.
congrats! i got deferred and just hoping i'll get in with regular decision
Nick Ando me too
Hah same!
Nick Ando me too!! I’m not sure if this video made me feel better or worse hahaha
Me too :,) good luck to you and the rest of the people who were deferred
The Mich logo on your Columbia® jacket is sooooo mind-boggling.
Guowei H why😆? Universities have branded shit with labels all the time
TomCook1993 right? I’m a grad student and the college I go to has branded Nike stuff. 🤷🏻♀️
@@allisoncarr9998 I think the person is talking about "Columbia" being interpreted as Columbia University being on the same shirt as michigan university
First, super impressive work, really well done. Second, it’d be way more fair if Unis just looked at which classes you took, how well you did in those and then your SAT score. Essentially all other evaluations are just way too subjective and leaves room for implicit and explicit bias. For instance, people on the left who are against Asians being over represented in admissions, mentioning your ethnic background might’ve held you back whereas for someone on the right who values investing you could’ve gotten an extra boost. That being said, congrats and best of luck with your studies.
It shows that college admission depends so much on luck
Just got into Ross ‘25, I’m excited to join you
I’ve never done any extracurricular except for FBLA (I skipped my sophomore year. I’m a junior now). And when I mean never, I mean never in my entire school career. I was always afraid of failing, embarrassing myself, and ruining the whole team. I’m afraid because of my decisions colleges won’t accept because it looks like I won’t offer anything in thoughts of the school but I really do. I just don’t have anything to prove it.
I think the best way to reconcile the difference of opinions between different admissions officers (regarding your essays) is to think of it like a random forest model. Each admissions officer is a decision tree and they all have their own opinions about your essay (and they could be contradictory opinions). By averaging their results across multiple trees (i.e. admission officers), the model would produce a low variance rating of your essays, thus leading to a more reliable result than using just one tree/admissions officer.
The key to making sure this admission process can achieve quality results is to have admissions officers that come from a variety of backgrounds (i.e. uncorrelated trees) and to have lots of them review your essay. Generally, good random forest models would have at least 50 trees in the model, in this instance, due to costs, 5 admissions officers would be sufficient. I think having 3 admissions officers would be cutting it close when it comes to reducing the variance of the essay ratings.
Hey Jack, just got into LSA and this video was super helpful!! When you asked to see your file, did you have to give a reason or do they just let you see it?
Don't need a reason, you can see it if you request it.
Reader 3 was really your saving grace, Jack 😆
Awesome profile. Wish you the best in your academic/lifelong pursuits.
Oof I’m going to find my admissions files
I didn't know it was possible to get admission files notes. Can we request that from any college?
dinorawruh you should be able to! You just have to ask the admissions department!
"Holistic review" is used to discriminate against Asians in favor of blacks and Hispanics, read up on the Harvard case.
It has been made quite evident that the admission board intentionally downgrades Asians in the character trait category, so as to make more room for the affirmative action matriculants.
Y’all act like legacies don’t have the biggest boost in admissions processes, just say ur racist and go
And the Harvard case was started by a group of white people and they later added Asians
Just watching this video gave me major stress lol.
Honestly, it's pretty awesome that you can actually view your admissions file. I'm pretty sure mine is non-existent since I was accepted via guaranteed admissions (Tulane). Lol, not that I was as stacked as you were in hs. I just did the minimum my parents would accept. No more, no less.
Reader 2 really hating on you huh. But the reader was there to pick up the slack. props to him. Wow u had alot of content to work with.
i would argue that esports and ecommerce sneaker business is ahead of their time and they need to adapt with the times. thx for sharing. u don't sound self-absored what so ever lol.
I'm a UC Davis alumnus, would they still let me see my admissions file if I ask? Lol
Yes!
yeah, according to the law, u have the right to view it. U just have to ask the admissions committee
I'm very curious to see what mine says...I got in early admission but after hearing about your resumé I'm shocked I even got in at all. I took a risk and wrote my commonapp essay about failure and not how I overcame it, but how I'm working to move forward. It was kind of negative so I'm curious as to what they thought about it. I think the academic essay I wrote was really good, though, because I wrote about RC and how it would build upon my exchange year in high school and will prepare me for my dream job. Anyways, thanks for sharing! Very interesting to see what the admissions readers think
This makes me so much more confident for my application thanks
U didn’t go to the right private school where UM rubberstamps the applications...
Great video, great insight. Are you a resident of Michigan? Do you know if it is more difficult or easier for out of state applicants to get into U Mich Ross? Thank you.