How I got Officially Unbaptised
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- This is the story of how I was unbaptised by the Catholic Church!
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I am a Catholic priest and love the study of science, astronomy, and enjoy astrophotography. I've been following your channel from its earliest days. You have helped many people with your videos on astrophotography. I have benefited myself. Thank you.
Regarding the process of getting your baptism record annotated, etc., I'm sad the parish of your baptism didn't handle it well. Your letter to your local Archdiocese was polite and clear, and I am glad that it did get settled to your satisfaction.
Your side-note of abuse cases reveals that the people in the Church are sinners and in need of repentance. All abuse is abhorrent. Period. That needs to be said, an we all agree that those cases need to be adjudicated and the victims given the care they need for healing.
Regarding databases, every Catholic parish has a record of who had been baptized. Those pages may be sent to the (Arch)diocese office of said parish for archival uses in case the parish suffers some kind of incident that destroys the local documents. The Vatican does not have your name in any database, but rather a count of numbers of baptisms per diocese each year. Keeping records is not a bad thing. Locally, these baptism records serve a good use for Catholics who want to show their local parish that they are eligible for other Sacraments such as First Communion, Marriage, etc. So, no worries, the Vatican does not have your name anywhere. The local records are permanent, and you were rightfully told that yours be annotated.
Just so you know, bishops often make frequent trips to Rome for a variety of reasons. For example, every five years, bishops make visits to talk with the Pope and share questions and guidance. Sometimes, they can be told to come for disciplinary action, but those are rarely needed. Mostly, it is part of their role to stay in communion with the bishop of Rome (aka the Pope).
I read the article you referred to and read others from the area during that time. I have not heard or read anything that said the Pope tried to cover up anything. So, some of your comments may be an overgeneralization, but due to the seriousness of the abuse cases, clarity and not insinuation is needed. It is a horrible thing that members of my Church have perpetrated. It demonstrates that all people have the capacity to do bad things, and their leaders are no exception. It also demonstrates that we still have a journey of repentance to God for our sins.
On a different note, are you aware that the Catholic Church has two observatories? One in the Vatican and the other in Tucson, AZ. You might find it interesting: vaticanobservatory.org The goal of the observatories is to further scientific understanding of our universe. Good stuff! Keep looking up!
Hey thanks for the feedback! And the grace. Here’s a reference article for you that I was referencing .. amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/royal-commission-hears-vatican-told-priest-to-offer-a-mass-every-friday-for-his-victims-20131219-2zmqa.html
Yes. Thanks for your response. That’s the one I found. There is no contesting that the Catholic Church has caused tragic harm to the innocent. One is too many. Today, bishops are to take seriously all accusations that are received today and are to be reported to the civil authorities. The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops have recognized their faults to keep children safe and have since bound themselves and us priests to follow a document called, The Charter for three Protection of Children and Young People. It’s pretty extensive and requires pastors like me to ensure that all staff and volunteers are background checked, attend annual safety training, and are always vigilant for potential bad actors.
Will this completely stop abuse? Not as long as we humans are sinners. But, this side of eternity, this charter goes a long way to help prevent harm. It is more strict than any other institutional document I can think of when it comes to the protection of the innocent. Pope Benedict XVI and again Pope Francis have made the process of investigating and penalizing an accused minister quickly compared to what was reported in the article you read.
www.usccb.org/resources/Charter-for-the-Protection-of-Children-and-Young-People-2018-final%281%29.pdf
Keep doing your astrophotography videos! Your humor makes me laugh and smile. We need more humor and joy in the world. Astronomy and related sciences lift up my faith and peak my imagination about the wonders of creation!
@@DylanODonnellThat level of zeal is not for everyone. So sorry you didn't take it easy on religion! Petty... don't you mean disturbing? You don't believe that? Have you taken a look around? Do that once in a while, even if it's way uglier than the Heavens. Oh, pardon me, I meant the Universe. Let's not get into why we're here, guarding the gates.
@@frbillGod bless you, Father❣️ That's what I call grace❣️ Will you say a prayer for me, 'cause my reply to Dylan got stuck and flew just as I... well, I was only going to say "allegedly" and maybe some joke after that? Yeah... I need to get church soon. And maybe out of this just past Strawberry Moon... right after I film it and then pack up my scope... 'cause she's rising later every night, while Saturn's not rising any sooner.
@@DylanODonnellDylan, by the way, I'm Orthodox... if you ever wish to see the church I've been baptised in... it's right across the street from a Catholic church, which, in turn, is right next to a Reformed church, and I pray in all of them... admittedly not very often. I can't read the Bible, though... it's too disturbing... one look around and... it just doesn't look good. But we're terrans, and life around here's supposed to suck. There's no point in whining... getting upset at God like you know Him personally (you shouldn't judge someone you don't know), getting upset at the Church as if you wouldn't know it's made of people (yeah, like Soylent Green)... and generally whining about the meaning of your life. You know what the meaning of your life is? Your parents thought they wanted you because they didn't know any better and, in those times, they couldn't have seen what was coming, unless... never mind. That's why you were born, that's why you are here. Suck it up and stop finding things to blame... unless you're fighting the spiritual war... in the front lines!
"it's a good thing I wasn't Jewish"...Man, I almost spewed my coffee over the keyboard! Great story!
hehehe
You went one step better than me. Still wiping the stuff off mine.
I'm here for the comments that are coming.
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Popcorn!!
i'm cumming for the comments that are here
Your sign off is one of the main reasons why I started following your channel.
Baptized Catholic -> become atheist -> discover heavy metal -> become astronomer. Yeah... that sounds familiar.
😂🤘🏼
Same. Take my church-tax, Cannibal Corpse
@@Astro-Av yesssss
LMAO. I am 78 years old and share a similar story. One day when I was 40ish, I said out loud at a family get together "I am glad I am not a Catholic anymore," to which the entire room full of my toxic Catholic family said "Oh no! Once a Catholic always a Catholic." This was the last day I had anything to do with my entire Catholic birth family, never saw any of them again. My pursuit of getting "unbaptized" was similar, except I spoke to a Cannon Lawyer, and was also told excommunication was the only way. I said "great what do I gotta do?" He explained "something serious like threaten a Bishop," to which I replied "great give me a name and address," and at that point the Cannon Lawyer hung up. A non-catholic friend of mine heard my story, and found an ex-nun somewhere, who hand created a certificate proclaiming that I was not a Catholic any more. She signed it with her name and title "Ex-Nun." I hung it on my wall as my prized trophy, and feel as though I was "unbaptized" as you put it. Love your story. Now I know I am not the only one on the planet who wanted to be officially declared "not a Catholic." Woooohoooo for you Dylan.
You are NOT the only one! We can’t be lifelong members just because they believe it to be true :)
@@DylanODonnellexactly! I mean, look at some of the other shit they believe. You can’t ever take a very religious person’s word for anything, or you’ll end up believing your fiancée you’ve never slept with getting pregnant is a miracle.
Your inclusion wasn't an informed choice in the first place, as you were a child. Indoctrinated is more accurate.
Well done Sir. Total space hero move. Bronze Age beliefs need to stay in the Bronze Age if humans are to move forward.
Why did the Astro-Photographer get Un-baptised?
They realized the universe is mostly dark matter and wanted their soul to match.
Dark Matter Matters!
People used to ask me what I was giving up for Lent back in the day. After saying "religion" multiple times they finally got the hint that maybe I was no longer Catholic 😛.
haha!
My father told me as a kid that he didn't have me baptised because he wasn't baptised, and the reason?........, he said if he was going to hell, he wanted some company. True story.
I like it :)
As an ex-Mormon, I’m so happy and proud! It’s an extremely emotional journey, and I’m glad you were able to get it annulled. Congrats man!
Hey thanks friend !
Nock Nock...
“A bit of science distances one from God, but much science nears one to Him.” ― Louis Pasteur
which one tho
@@The3DP The one where love wins or love doesn't win? Man, thats a tough one.
@@GeneoftheWorld none of the bullshit gods you follow is real
@@The3DP oh wow you just outed yourself as a troll on here!
@@GeneoftheWorld Right, this person doesn't agree with my view therefore is a troll, makes sense
Good on you, Dylan, While never a Catholic, my parents were asked to remove me from Sunday school for "...asking too many questions..." 🙂
hahaha sounds familiar!
Ahhhh... Catholic school and church. I remember it well. Like I remember a nun hitting me with a wooden baseball bat in 4th grade at lunchtime, because someone told her that I threw pretzels at someone (I didn't). And I remember getting punched in the face by a nun in 7th grade for rolling a coffee bean up and down the aisle in class (I did). Good times!
lol yeh they were psychos .. our nun was into physical violence too.
Dude, getting kicked out for apostasy is hysterical.
Used to be Catholic...
The school review! Lol....
Hehe I try to mention the school in as many published interviews as possible.
"We were so catholic that ...." sounds like a line of jokes, a bit like "Ya mama so fat that ...." ;)
Hehe a priest, a rabbi and a super catholic walk into a bar …
I wish it was as simple as ticking a button online. Because I would do it too. I made the decision (realization) when I was old enough to understand my place in the universe despite all the misinformation I was being fed. Which was at about 12 years old. I also gained interests in astronomical material around that age too. My eyes opened and have been for the last 30 years.
I just unsubbed from the norwegian state church, which you are a forced member of if you are born here.
Nuts!
Great video, Dylan. Islam may be fastest growing religion, but nonreligion is growing far faster than any religion, cuz nobody can see any stars anymore due to light pollution, and its just so effortless to see the stars on youtube. Schrödinger's religion, Schrödinger's stars 😂
This is brilliant. What a fantastically frivolously significant endeavor. My only question now is, as a Jew, can I have my Brit Milah reversed? 🤔
Bahaha!
My only memory of almost 2 decades of church is cringing at the sonic possum repeller that all the old people cramming for the final couldn't hear
You think you were hard done by. I'm an ex-muslim apostate try getting uncircumcised. To be fair my parents were secular religion was never a part of our family but somehow I was still circumcised as its part of the Turkish culture. Most Turks have never read any Quran it's in Arabic Turkish is a Latin based alphabet. Real Islam is strict about usage of arabic. These days I see myself as Ignostic (similar to agnostic). I also grew up fascinated by astronomy in those days we didnt even have those amazing detailed photos in books.
Wow interesting!
Astrophysicist Dr. Hugh Ross is a fascinating protestant I can respect.
Never christened, never baptised, came close in my teens but managed to dodge it. Good on you taking the symbolic step to uncatholicise (a word) yourself.
EVILgelicals... ain't no Hate like Christian Love... Reich?
I was in a similar circumstance as you, but I had no idea you could annul your baptism. I’ll have to look into it, thanks for sharing your story Dylan. Never expected this from one of my regular astronomy channels lol
The apostle Thomas went on to become one of the most widely traveled of the Apostles, and a powerful evangelizer- to this day, there are Christians in India with the surname Thomas. He was said to be martyred (driven through with spears or swords, something like that) in India. There are even accounts in the Jesuit missionaries(The Paraguay Reductions) of South America of hearing from the native tribes an old tale of a man named Tome who crossed the continent carrying a cross, who was beaten and had multiple attempts on his life, performing miracles to include raising people from the dead. “Doubting Thomas” was apparently only a temporary phase in his life.
Why did the astro-nerd get unbaptised?
Because mass just makes everything more complicated.
LOL
I was not-so-politely asked to leave the United Methodist Church when I was 16 and starting on my journey of self-discovery and questioning about the nature of the universe. Fortunately, I managed to avoid baptism. I think my questioning began when I asked my grandmother why we were Methodists instead of a different church (where all the cool kids went). She told me it was because we lived a block from the UMC and the other church was four blocks away. That was the basis of our whole religious life: geographical convenience.
In 1981, I made a declaration (to myself if no one else) that I was an atheist and I've been one ever since.
Thanks for having the courage to post this. I hope it doesn't cost you any subscribers. I'm sharing your link with folks in my local atheist community because I think they'll enjoy this.
Never realized the "everything is meaningless" closing quote was biblical, though I always took it as a hopeful message of impermanence and using your time well. Glad I was partly right!
I like the irony :) honestly great chapter. Pretty sure an atheist wrote it.
Great story, Dylan. Congratulations on achieving your quest to become unbaptized. I was raised in the Southern Baptist Church here in the USA. You may have heard of that denomination. At one time it was the largest Christian denomination in the USA, with more than 15 million members. When my wife (also raised Southern Baptist) and I were married (51 years ago) we both decided to try to remove ourselves from the Southern Baptist membership rolls. After several very unpleasant sessions with ministers of our local churches, we were unsuccessful. We were told that the only way to remove yourself from their membership was to die (and even then it was uncertain). Needless to say, we haven't darkened the door of a Southern Baptist Church since. In fact, we went on to remove our bodies and souls from all churches altogether.
Also a proud ex-SBC!
So much respect for this mate. freedom of everyone is so important....... and the DATABASE ! I'm transgender and you just have to love the church.... not ! RESPECT !
Thanks for sharing this wonderful story. I love the part of being labeled an apostate. The church needs to stop promoting the bible as being true if they want to continue in any semblance of geniune service to humanity - otherwise the milk has gone sour. I was dumb enough to believe them for many years. It took a very long time, after leaving them, to come up with my own answers to "what was all that?", "who is God?" etc. But I guess that's the price of the admission ticket to life.
This needs to be condensed for quick sharing on all platforms.
There is no conflict between the Catholic Church and science. Have you heard of the Vatican Observatory? They have been involved with astronomy since the 1500's. There are three telescopes in Rome and one in the US (Arizona). Lots of incredible astronomy research gong on there. The Vatican Observatory also has one of the largest collections of meteorites in the world.
HAAA! BRAVO! Awesome ;)
I'm just like you (a Catholic immigrant to Canada though ;P ) and now a good secular-humanist - which is the the only *ism I accept
I love that Dylan reads every comment!
I'm catholic, but not Roman Catholic. I appreciate your honesty in your faith. Sounds like you were raised well in a Christian type home, which was a positive influence on your adulthood. Sounds like you are also familiar with the Word and have it in your mind. Stay safe and enjoy your journey.
Blessings from a Christian Astronomer, Engineer, and Science Geek.
I never cared about my baptism. Maybe because we weren't practicing catholics. And as a side note, Tom Araya has always been a practicing one.
This is quite interesting. Here in Germany, your confession is tied to government stuff too (for paying taxes to the church for example). I too was babtized as kid an as such, my records show(ed) that I'm catholic, both in the church and legal documents. As far as I know, here you really just have to go to the local government, formally leave your confession, and you'll get removed. The priest will often contact you to reconsider your decision, so I assume this basically does the same too. Costs a good chunck of money too unfortunately (60€). I did this too a while back and don't regret it either.
OMG that is awesome! I was really hoping you’d get excommunicated. I would want to be excommunicated! 😂
Have been listening to Dr Ammon Hillman who studies Greek. I no longer believe Jesus was the son of god. Won’t be “unbaptized” because IMO the baptism I underwent was meaningless but it wasn’t as official as yours and I doubt my name was even written down lol.
I love your channel! And I fully support your decision my son! 😆
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It’s cost me thousands for my current Astro gear. It would cost me a couple hundred to package it all up and send it to you. You could then make an entire video showing me how to use it correctly! From setup to final image processing. I would be willing to pay you for it. I mean, if I owned $8000 in astrophotography gear and paid $1000 to someone like you to show me how to use it correctly, it would be worth every penny.
You then post it on your channel for others to learn. You could explain what things might be needed to complete my rig, and if you have these things, use them during the video to show its proper use.
Anyway, love what you do. Thanks for putting in the time and effort to enhance our lives. 😊
Brilliant story. Thank you for sharing. As a long-confirmed atheist I will say: Faith is not a bad place to have come FROM (it can help young kids to trust the universe) but for some of us - at some time - blind faith starts to interfere with making good decisions.
So much deep stuff here, congratulations. Give me Dylan Thomas any time over these befrocked automatons.
I really enjoyed the video, astro related or not. I was raised with a strict Pentecostal upbringing where it was taught "Bible only, no questions." It was definitely frowned upon, and I was discouraged as a kid when I decided I wanted to be an astronomer when I grew up. Things didn't pan out that way, but I did end up in the hobby of astrophotography.. Just wondering if it was accepted when you brought up astronomy as a child in the religion, or was it similar to my experience?
Hilarious regarding your middle name - same here, and my mother used to tell me I was given that name because I'm a doubting Thomas. BTW, Catholic here still by baptism, but I don't believe in God or any religious hoodoo.
I'm actually thinking of going to get unbaptised so I'm watching this video to see how, thank you so much for telling your story to us
You are very welcome ! Thanks !
Hi, Dylan. I am Catholic and I have no ill will toward you for your decision to unenroll from the Catholic Church. Everyone is given free will as a birthright. I just wanted to let you know there is a need for clarification. Baptism is considered a sacrament no matter what Christian faith you espouse. You are disenrolled from the Catholic faith, but you are not unbaptized. Even now, you have the power to baptize. Every baptized Christian has this power.
The need for Catholic baptism close to birth was started to ensure the child's soul could enter heaven in case of a premature death. The documentation is held within the parish to assure you have the right to the other sacraments of the church. When I was married, I had to request a copy of my baptism records from my old parish.
Someone stated that you cannot get married in the Catholic Church if you marry a non-Catholic. This is not true. You can have a marriage ceremony in the church. You cannot have the marriage in the context of the Mass. My sister is a testament to that. This is out of respect for the non-Catholic family, not as a slight to them.
At any rate, I love your channel. I will continue to watch your great (and entertaining) content. I wish you and your family all the best. Please continue to live a good life.
Your friend,
Clarence from Louisiana, USA🖖
Turns out I had a very similar upbringing to you. I’ve never bothered with annulling my baptism as I’m agnostic. Plus in my case, catholicism has had as much impact on my personality as science and history.
Anyways, it doesn’t really matter as long as I can remain unaffiliated during census.
As a believer in Jesus Christ I understand the frustrations of man-made dogmatic religion. Jesus himself was irritated by the formalist self-righteous state of Judaism. I have no doubt the audacity of the Roman Catholic church in its formulaic practices as well as other 'christian' religions have strayed toward that same dogmatism.
Baptism of children is somehow thought as a stop-gap pre-saving device as if Jesus is going to look up in heavens database and reject anyone including children who die. When Christ went to John the Baptist he was an adult and made the choice of freewill acknowledging the significance. Baptism should be a choice in your heart between you and Jesus, not between you and some religion as a gateway to services from the religion. Following Christ isn't some club membership to pull out when convenient either.
If we're not in a mental place to want a relationship with Christ no amount of baptism as a child is going to cover our asses. If you need proof like Thomas required, it's between Christ and you, not between some religion's dogma and you. Having attended and been a member of various churches I understand your desire to distance yourself from what you perceive is their benefitting from your inclusion in the rolls. I still love a lot of people who I attended with, and we share belief in Christ, but I see modern churched religions as very different from faith in Christ which is a personal decision.
I see the glory of the creator when I look up and away from the man-made world that resides on top of the creation below my feet. We may send satellites up into the space, and temporarily blind seeing the skies with light pollution, but a simple trip to a dark site and can look up in awe and know life is meaningless in the scheme of the creators plan. We all are star stuff into which God breathed his spirit, so we can look up with more than just logic. I'm no Vulcan, I'm human with the emotions given to mankind, to be amazed and to have wonder to explore and glorify the creator in his creation.
The flaws of humans exist regardless on any religion anyone follows. That being said, religions can be a positive addition in that they can provide a common value structure leading to personal growth and positive relationships in communities. When virtue is subjective, you can end up with a sort of moral anarchy, even though religion is no guarantee of moral behavior. Religions unified people. It was the best we had for a long time. Now, with the death of God, we have to find our own way to maintain some sort of internal and societal harmony. Without the fear of God, or any sort of self-control, oh boy are we fucked.
Thank goodness we live in a more enlightened age in which we can safely (mostly) air our views on such matters. After all, "blasphemy is a victimless crime".
imagine that in some countries, because of these beautiful databases they keep with all the kids baptized without their consent, you need to pay the church frickin taxes and A LOT of them even if you don't consider yourself catholic
I guess they know how to leverage their cult uh
Congratulations on getting out of the biggest cult in the world. Years ago, I tried to get official excommunication papers and ran into the same snag you did. I didn't pursue it though. Maybe I should pick up on it again, but it's meaningless and I'm another day closer to dying.
haha well done, yes i have stories from my mother about drunken cathlic priests in the 1930s, that had house keepers that didn't just do house keeping , you know what i meam , wink, wink
When I saw this title I thought it was going to be a little mock video about Hayley Vernon being recently baptised hahahaha!! I don't even know why, she has nothing to do with space.
Happily religious, and have no care whether you are or not. I'm just here for the content and a laugh, which your sign off gives me every time.
I did the same thing with the mormon church before my son was born. Great video, I love your channel!
same story, different place, different religion. i cannot ask to be taken out of statistics or i will be decapitated, that's enough to guess the details, literally using vpn to post this.
Great idea Dylan, I would never have thought of that. I was christened in the Anglican church just under seventy years ago, apart from the odd wedding and funeral it was the only church service I ever attended, not that I remember it, though I do like looking at old churches for their architecture. And I totally agree, everything is meaningless and we are all going to die. Doesn't bother me at all.
Thanks !
I'm not triggered that you think religions are fake. I'm triggered that you don't know human aliens are real.
LMAO 😂 that is a cool story! Welcome Home to the unbaptised side brother 😇
Fair play Dylan - you have me wondering if I can do something similar from the Church of England...
You once again are one of my heroes. I too grew up being tortured as a young catholic. Endless masses before the crack of dawn, onward to catholic school…etc. I could go on but you know the drill.
What you did was totally brilliant and if I didn’t detest getting in contact with the church where I was baptized, I would definitely follow your lead.
Bravo my brother!
lol I could not figure out the title…
In the letter you don’t mention the date of birth
So this is 10 years old news?
A bit late on your RUclips schedule lol
Nice one! I found an astronomy book while studying for my first holy communion. Ended up going through that ceremony as an 9 year old ex catholic athiest.
Hahaha nice
Thanks for sharing your story. I hope it guides others to the freedom of secularity.
Born human, baptised Catholic (Irish side on Ma's branch), received a stellar education at a Jesuit school with a side order of indoctrination and fear, then University and enlightenment. Let it wash over you, Dylan.
Dealing with reality is beyond a lot of people it seems. Glad to hear you are not insane, but only mildly alcoholic.
I challenge you to read "Gunning for God" written by Jhon Lennox.
Good thing we can do that without getting quartered by a mob.
p.s. you were not a dork as a kid, but a cute kid. Lets leave it, not elaborate any more, given the nature of this video.
Getting officially out of the catholic church sounds like a gym membership.
lol
Dylan I was raised Roman Catholic. My father is from County Kerry, Republic of Ireland, which is hardcore Catholic. I'm best described as "none Church going, sometimes praying, semi practicing sometimes Catholic weirdo" 😂
Dylan thank you for answering a question I've wanted to ask you for so long! Your infamous parting statement "and remember, everything is meaningless...and we're all going to die!" LOL now I finally know where it comes from! Thanks!
Hehe they thanks for watching! O’Donnell literally translates to son of the Donnells so we’re probably related way back :)
@@DylanODonnell LOL and you know what Dylan I have sometimes wondered if our very similar surnames were somehow related from the past! Enjoy your evening cuz! 😂
Volunteering to read fairy tales in catechism class is an excellent way to get uninvited.
Just to make sure, you did it to convert to visual astronomy, didn't you?? 😐
Thank you for the inspiration! I have just reached out to the church that baptized me to do the very same. I hope they make it a little easier for me, but I'm willing to jump through hoops to make this happen!
Hey congrats ! I hope it works out!
They do have a kick ass telescope though. Named LUCIFER. Seriously WTF? Yeah I got dunked as well.
Interesting story. At least it was easier than getting uncircumcised.
Thank God you were not a Muslim as the penalty for apostasy is death. Joking apart, whilst I can see the logic of the unbaptism move, this video did not shed any light on whether you were simply not trusting the institution (which has flaws similar and in some cases worse than other institutions) or the actual message. I see these as two totally different things as the Catholic church has done some abhorrent actions which go diametrically opposite to the message it purports to support. Having said that, I still feel that the Christian message remains very valid. It must also be borne in mind that modern science arose within the influence of the Christian tradition esp during the 15 to the early 20th centuries (in spite of the opposition from the Catholic church). A side note...the Catholic church has also had elements in it that have done and continue to do an enormous amount of good work with many unprivelidged sectors of different societies so it would be incorrect to lump everybody in the same basket. But like you, I am generally not impressed by how certain aspects of this institution were or are currently handled. By the way I love the star stuff aspect of your channel and keep up the excellent work.
Thanks! Ultimately I think it’s possible to have “Christian values” without belief in anything that requires faith. And those that do probably have a more solid moral foundation.
I was the valedictorian of my Hebrew School. But even then, I knew it was all steaming piles of bullshit. I was just a very good student.
What tipped me off was Genesis 18:20-33. This is the story of Abraham bargaining with god. It goes something like this:
G: I'm gonna destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.
A: But would you really destroy the good with the wicked? What if there are 50 good people there? (A really has to remind G that this is bad?)
G: Nah, bruh. If there are 50, I won't destroy them.
And A proceeds to haggle with G over the number. A gets G all the way down to 10.
Why not push G down to 4, or, if you don't count Lot's Wife as good, then 3?
I'm sorry, but when G says a thing, that is the thing. You either accept this or go straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200, not even $200AUD. The terms are non-negotiable. You don't haggle with god.
And, after further contemplation, I rejected the whole thing. Glad I did.
That’s such a funny story that really exposes the creativity of the human authors.. so many stories like that throughout that books from so many different human perspectives. The whole Ecclesiastes chapter is beautiful but there are these odd out of place additions from holy people who had to transcribe it and make it sound less like an atheist treaty heh
You like astronomy, you could have been a Jesuit priest.
I just wanted to say that I love your videos and sense of humor. I have a similar story to yours re: religion except my parents were some indie American protestant Christians, which meant no red tape or census to quit the church, only judgement (hooray!). I think around the time I realized "wait a minute, we can measure all this stuff?" religion just turned into old campfire stories written down by old men, which is way less interesting than just looking up.
keep up the good work sir.
Thanks Matt!
EXCELLENT. Scored a bonus laugh at the end
Hehe thanks for getting that far!
I have to agree about your sign off ,after id watched my first video of yours and the sign off i was hooked.
There are no former Catholics, only recovering Catholics.
I have enjoyed all of your RUclips videos. But this one is the best! I never thought about it, even with the sour taste left in my mouth by the catholic church. No, that taste was never left in my mouth by a priest either. Have had nothing to do with the church or any church since the passing of my Mother. BRAVO! Thanks for all your videos, keep it up. Sincerely, Ken L Stough
p.s. I wonder if I can become UnCircumcised? I had no say in that and am not happy about it. I want it back. KLS
Thank God, I’m not Christian! What? wait a minute..
That was great, the middle name bit at the end had me laughing my ass off. Good stuff.
I love your content, D-Dawg. I ‘borrowed’ your sign off for a local networking group (I did credit you). I was told to stop using it because we had an end of life care giver in the fold. FFS. People have no sense of humour anymore.
Hehe
What if by becoming un-baptized they made everything in your life have meaning and you’re never going to die? 🤣
And you're still a dork, but that's why we love you Dylan!
I am also no longer Catholic... But it seems way easier to leave the church in Germany. I had to fill out a form, pay 30€ and that was it. 🤷🏼♀️
$30 for something that doesn’t exist ! Haha
But now I am not paying monthly church taxes anymore, so that's a bonus 😉
@@nadinesteinert2003 I am British and don't know how this works. Did you have to inform the tax authorities of your religion when you started work? I heard that people are unhappy about having to pay in order to be exempt from the church taxes. There was a court case about it because people considered it to be discriminatory against Atheists.
@@catherinegrimes2308 yes, I did have to inform my employer. Depending on which church you belong to and how much you earn you pay. The Catholic church is most expensive 😅. Well paying 30€ once is better than paying 10-12€ monthly.
@@nadinesteinert2003 Many thanks for your reply. There no such taxes in the UK and I would imagine that it would be the same in Australia as well. My parents made me go to a Church of England (Anglican that is a form of Protestantism ) church for Sunday School but I never really believed it because I had a scientific world view at an early age.
Thank you for sharing.
Great to hear your experience. Will have do the same one day
Anyone in Germany, when they notice that Tax office collects Church taxes:
(Yes, unfortunately it's not a joke. The state collects taxes for the church from anyone who has been baptized Catholic or Protestant and has not left the church.)
Omg that’s crazy!
@@DylanODonnell It gets worst, when you leave the church you get - in stereotypic German fashion - a certificate which you should guard with your life.
Because if you want to move to another town, the local church will check - with support of the registration office - if you have been "in the club", and together with tax authority gladly "rebaptise" you with all the financial liabilities - even back payments -, if you can not prove - with mentioned certificate - that you left for good.
Even someone moving from France, baptised as a child, with no further connection to the church since was faced with church tax fees, when moving to Germany. Parents right?
And yes that is somehow legal here.
@@DylanODonnell And their tax rates are not cheap. 100s to 1000s Euros per year, depending on your income tax. I don't need to pay them yet, but as soon as I do, I will probably take on the fight with my family over it.
At least if you leave, you stop paying. In Poland, the state gives something like 1.8 billion PLN (roughly 400 million euros) to the Church every year, and that's supported by everyone's taxes. So essentially you chip in for the Church even if you're not a member.
@@ebvalaim no, we have that too, but my post was long enough already. But since the church runs social institutions like Kindergarten we funnel tax money from non-members to the church as well. Church in Germany is a giant cluster-f***, obviously in Poland too ...
I'm genuinely entirely unsurprised that the catholic church made you force out polite emails with a predator. Good job leaving as hard as you can!
lol exactly
Thank you for sharing. I had always wondered if that was a thing you can do. I've also heard the Mormon church baptizes the dead of other religions. I never looked into how true that was since I'm not already baptized and not dead. maybe later.
It’s true! They baptised my dead atheist grandma.
Haha, another good one.
And for anyone wondering I have four kids. Neither my wife or I are religious or baptised and all of them are accepted to Catholic schools. If you have the money they've got a spot 😁.
Damo
lol so true.
Amen !!
I appreciate your openness on the subject and I imagine both atheists and theists waste a lot of time trying to recruit you
it's a bad idea to waste time brainwashing space people, literaly essier to visit the titanic with a tissue paper pressure hull