Not a player or team take, but as probably the best National pod in the NBA I'm interested in your take on an interesting broadcast phenomenon. Venom reacts out of Phoenix (but covers other teams) I find to be compelling. Could his schtick make the NBA more interesting?
I think in the absence of the Lowe Post, the decline of espn, and the growing sensationalism of First Take, this has become my favorite national podcast. If you want honest, earned analysis, this is it.
Payton Pritchard been straight ballin this year. Thing is is he's evolved to the point where he does multiple things well besides just bombing 3's and changes the pace/brings a burst of energy when he comes in during games. He's also crafty at scoring around the rim and is a sneaky good rebounder for a 6 ft. point guard. I know people worry about him getting targeted on defense because of his size, but he's pesky, quick, and tough all things considered despite being smaller.
Butler to the Suns is perfect - for the Suns. Problem is the Heat don't want Bradley Beal. He's a downgrade defensively and has never done anything of note in the playoffs. Miami is not doing that. They value defense and playoff performance - which is what Jimmy brings. Plus they don't HAVE to trade Jimmy. It's just that everybody says they should. It would probably take more than one pick for Miami to budge if Phoenix is serious.
WHY WOULD MIAMI WANT BRADLEY BEAL they could’ve had him for pennies and didn’t grab him for a reason lol I swear the media doesn’t pay attention to anything real it’s all about headlines and drama.
I agree with Legs on the thunder trade prediction. By the trade deadline they should have played Dallas, Minnie, Phoenix, Boston, Cleveland, NY, GS and Orlando which I think are all good teams, with diverse playstyles that will be a good barometer for OKC to see where/if they need to improve personnel wise.
I wonder if they pull a Pacers (Siakam) and make the big move earlier before the end of January. That way they have more time to integrate whomever it is. The Gordan Hayward move just came way too late to really do that last year (besides the fact that he was apparently washed).
Im just here for "Legs" one of the best basketball analyst in my opinion and i appreciate how ge always shows players respect whether they are playing good or not.
Don't think there is any chance Brunson wins (or more importantly deserves to win) MVP, but I think it needs to be stated that he is having a stronger season this year than the last two by a wide margin. He's up to 125 points per 100 vs 121~ the last two seasons, he's having the best playmaking season of his career and he's the driving force of the league's best offense (yes, even more than KAT who is having a personally more efficient season).
Mavs have won 12 of last 14 games. So I agree with the prediction. Mavs slow start was Luka starting slow due to missing camp and preseason with calf injury, Kidd playing around with lineup (Lively not starting, Grimes DNP, etc) and injuries to Lively/PJ (missed 5 games) during that run where they lost to Suns, Denver, etc.
So... Jimmy Butler's trade value is an out of prime - worst contract in the NBA - Bradley Beal (who also happens to have a similar style of play with Tyler Herro who the Heat currently have) + a 2031 pick. Is that the trade that the HEAT actually NEEDS or the highest offer they can get? Would rather keep Jimmy until playoffs and live and die with the results. As long as he is healthy, the Heat have a chance. Just avoid the play-in tournament.
Crazy how the narrative is omg i wonder what team Jimmy going to and not i wonder if the Heat are even gonna trade him bc these guys know Pat doesnt give 2 fucks about Beal lmaooo Nba so bad they gotta cook up a story and its crazy when the Heat doing good crickets but all of a sudden all eyes on Miami lmaooo. Shit really is like a script.
What I think phoenix should focus on is getting a center. Suns could trade Nurkic, Okogie and a first maybe a second for Kessler and Sexton. Then I’d focus on Jimmy if that trade option is even on the table.
The lakers pelicans wizards are the only 3 teams who have 13 or more out of 15 roster guys to have a NEGATIVE BPM! That’s how bad Lakers 3-15 roster is around AD & LeBron.
what nobody is talking about with the mavs. leading up to the B2B clippers home game. the mavs played ONLY 5 home games in the past 45 days! it was the most insane stretch of traveling any team has had in decades. and for people that travel a lot they know how easy it is to get sick travel bc it takes a toll on your body.
No one can ever come up with a good reason why a butler to Suns for Beal trade is good for Miami. It's better just to let Jimmy walk for nothing and keep the cap space.
Presumably it would have to come with draft compensation. Cap space is nice, but it doesn’t help much when you aren’t going anywhere. Might as well take in bad contracts and be bad for a few years.
The Butler to the suns point is good I do think butler would be a lot better but it really doesn’t matter because Beal has a no trade clause. He can’t be traded anywhere he doesn’t want to be.
The lakers pelicans (decimated) wizards (worst record in NBA) are the only 3 teams who have 13 or more out of 15 roster guys to have a NEGATIVE BPM (box +/-)! That’s how bad Lakers 3-15 roster is around AD & LeBron so it’s not a bold take at all!😅 Pelinka and Jeanie Buss have been by far the worst GM/owner combo in the NBA since summer of 2021 for any non rebuilding team. Even before that in 2018/19 they gave away Brooke Lopez & Zubac, lowballed Ty Lue in 2019, laughably overpaid Deng/Mozgov, with 3 straight #2 picks in 15/16/17 they could of had Porzingis/Booker, Jaylen Brown, & Tatum but instead ended up with D-Lo, Ingram & Lonzo Ball! Dr Buss rolling in his grave since passing Feb 2013. Outside of 19-20 & 20-21 (when AD Bron hurt or they have great chance for repeat🏆) 2013-14 to current lakers have been run horrifically. Also Nuggets are in the West, but they also have the 9th easiest remaining SOS (easiest in West though OKC 2nd easiest in West) in the entire NBA. Bucks 7th easiest. MVP def a 3 man race though between Jokic SGA & Giannis. Luka outside shot, but Mavs 5-1 without him & his slow start hurts vs those 3 guys. IF OKC wins 65-67 games and Shai stays #1 by far in +/-, net rating, win shares while averaging 30, 6, 6, 3 stocks on 63% TS% he’s gonna be tough to beat. Also KAT > Brunson far this year and has higher MVP odds than him (6th best vs 10th best). PS Of course Suns want JIMMY BUTLER over BRAD BEAL! The problem is why TF would Miami Heat want an injury prone Beal due 135 million the next 2.5yrs when they have Tyler Herro playing the same position? Surely Pat Riley is not that dumb. Maybe if Suns also give up Ryan Dunn & Ighodaro with the 2031 unprotected 1st + some other swaps, but I just don’t understand why Heat would want Beal (with a no trade clause averaging only 47-48 games per year the last 3yrs who is on pace for 49 games this yr!)?!? Kuminga at 22, Wiggins 2-3 yrs younger + way cheaper than Beal + picks way more intriguing if I’m Miami.
So when Legler said Boston is going to continue to dominate and maybe get even better in the last 2/3 of the season, do you think he was concerned about the Bulls whipping their ass in Boston? Because that's NEVER going to stop being funny. 🤣🤣🤣
Since legs worse half said boston would finish 5 games above clevland (just disrespectful btw) and he said it wasn't even a hot take a 1 pepper take cavs have crushed bucks and 76ers b2b. That boston would catch and pass the cavs by 5 games in the next 30 is disrespectful. Cavs are just blowing teams out of the water by 25+ nightly. 25-4. Put some respect on their name
Havent seen the video yet but i have two both in the suns. Tyus Jones has been incredible this year and the surprise is his offense and ryan dunn and his 3 point shooting.
Love yals pod but keeping Golden State out of all your western conference playoff / trade convo for the first 30 mins i’ve listened to here so far is just plain foolish
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Legler is off his rocker . Spent two minutes talking about Brunson, Mitchell as outside mvps ? lol they are like 10-15th on the list. And the clippers no one thought they’d be this good? lol legler doesn’t value a team if he can’t name more than 3 guys on it.
Who did the guys miss on their All Surprise Teams?
Harden is surpassing
Not a player or team take, but as probably the best National pod in the NBA I'm interested in your take on an interesting broadcast phenomenon. Venom reacts out of Phoenix (but covers other teams) I find to be compelling. Could his schtick make the NBA more interesting?
I think in the absence of the Lowe Post, the decline of espn, and the growing sensationalism of First Take, this has become my favorite national podcast. If you want honest, earned analysis, this is it.
What a based take….
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The Mismatch is the best now that Jacoby is on it. The chemistry is unmatched
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Payton Pritchard been straight ballin this year. Thing is is he's evolved to the point where he does multiple things well besides just bombing 3's and changes the pace/brings a burst of energy when he comes in during games.
He's also crafty at scoring around the rim and is a sneaky good rebounder for a 6 ft. point guard. I know people worry about him getting targeted on defense because of his size, but he's pesky, quick, and tough all things considered despite being smaller.
Another awesome pod. Agree w/ the phoenix points and the Mavs claiming the 2 seed. Pumped for the rest of the year let’s gooo
Kat is the same guy he was pre Rudy in MN. People just loved to hate on him in the past. So happy he's finally getting the recognition he deserves
Think about how much more true that statement is after the Timberwolves game tonight. Holy shit!
Butler to the Suns is perfect - for the Suns. Problem is the Heat don't want Bradley Beal. He's a downgrade defensively and has never done anything of note in the playoffs. Miami is not doing that. They value defense and playoff performance - which is what Jimmy brings. Plus they don't HAVE to trade Jimmy. It's just that everybody says they should. It would probably take more than one pick for Miami to budge if Phoenix is serious.
WHY WOULD MIAMI WANT BRADLEY BEAL they could’ve had him for pennies and didn’t grab him for a reason lol I swear the media doesn’t pay attention to anything real it’s all about headlines and drama.
I agree with Legs on the thunder trade prediction. By the trade deadline they should have played Dallas, Minnie, Phoenix, Boston, Cleveland, NY, GS and Orlando which I think are all good teams, with diverse playstyles that will be a good barometer for OKC to see where/if they need to improve personnel wise.
I wonder if they pull a Pacers (Siakam) and make the big move earlier before the end of January. That way they have more time to integrate whomever it is. The Gordan Hayward move just came way too late to really do that last year (besides the fact that he was apparently washed).
That’s not a hot take for Dallas🤷♂️
Legler the legend.!
Im just here for "Legs" one of the best basketball analyst in my opinion and i appreciate how ge always shows players respect whether they are playing good or not.
Don’t have a dog in that fight but why in the hell would the Heat want Beal? With that contract and injury history for a pick 7 years out? Okay.
They said for that Phoenix 1st round pick that they can use to make another trade
Don't think there is any chance Brunson wins (or more importantly deserves to win) MVP, but I think it needs to be stated that he is having a stronger season this year than the last two by a wide margin. He's up to 125 points per 100 vs 121~ the last two seasons, he's having the best playmaking season of his career and he's the driving force of the league's best offense (yes, even more than KAT who is having a personally more efficient season).
I really like cp3 on the spurs
Mavs have won 12 of last 14 games. So I agree with the prediction. Mavs slow start was Luka starting slow due to missing camp and preseason with calf injury, Kidd playing around with lineup (Lively not starting, Grimes DNP, etc) and injuries to Lively/PJ (missed 5 games) during that run where they lost to Suns, Denver, etc.
So... Jimmy Butler's trade value is an out of prime - worst contract in the NBA - Bradley Beal (who also happens to have a similar style of play with Tyler Herro who the Heat currently have) + a 2031 pick.
Is that the trade that the HEAT actually NEEDS or the highest offer they can get?
Would rather keep Jimmy until playoffs and live and die with the results. As long as he is healthy, the Heat have a chance. Just avoid the play-in tournament.
Beal is a non starter with the Heat. Porter for Butler would be good for Heat and Nuggets.
Crazy how the narrative is omg i wonder what team Jimmy going to and not i wonder if the Heat are even gonna trade him bc these guys know Pat doesnt give 2 fucks about Beal lmaooo Nba so bad they gotta cook up a story and its crazy when the Heat doing good crickets but all of a sudden all eyes on Miami lmaooo. Shit really is like a script.
What I think phoenix should focus on is getting a center. Suns could trade Nurkic, Okogie and a first maybe a second for Kessler and Sexton. Then I’d focus on Jimmy if that trade option is even on the table.
Ric Bucher predicted the Clippers being better than the lakers this year by 3-4 games. And that’s without Leonard
The lakers pelicans wizards are the only 3 teams who have 13 or more out of 15 roster guys to have a NEGATIVE BPM! That’s how bad Lakers 3-15 roster is around AD & LeBron.
what nobody is talking about with the mavs. leading up to the B2B clippers home game. the mavs played ONLY 5 home games in the past 45 days! it was the most insane stretch of traveling any team has had in decades. and for people that travel a lot they know how easy it is to get sick travel bc it takes a toll on your body.
No one can ever come up with a good reason why a butler to Suns for Beal trade is good for Miami. It's better just to let Jimmy walk for nothing and keep the cap space.
Presumably it would have to come with draft compensation. Cap space is nice, but it doesn’t help much when you aren’t going anywhere. Might as well take in bad contracts and be bad for a few years.
@4:51 "I don't even know if their best basketball is coming up, although I do think it is" Ummm.. what?! 😂🤣
People who knew about hardens floor raising ability knew he could be doing this even at his age
The Butler to the suns point is good I do think butler would be a lot better but it really doesn’t matter because Beal has a no trade clause. He can’t be traded anywhere he doesn’t want to be.
Why would Miami want Beal
Jason Kidd should coach the Heat so people will think Pitbull is Miami's head coach
they are just thinking Miami wants Beal when they already have Herro. one-sided conversation
The lakers pelicans (decimated) wizards (worst record in NBA) are the only 3 teams who have 13 or more out of 15 roster guys to have a NEGATIVE BPM (box +/-)! That’s how bad Lakers 3-15 roster is around AD & LeBron so it’s not a bold take at all!😅
Pelinka and Jeanie Buss have been by far the worst GM/owner combo in the NBA since summer of 2021 for any non rebuilding team.
Even before that in 2018/19 they gave away Brooke Lopez & Zubac, lowballed Ty Lue in 2019, laughably overpaid Deng/Mozgov, with 3 straight #2 picks in 15/16/17 they could of had Porzingis/Booker, Jaylen Brown, & Tatum but instead ended up with D-Lo, Ingram & Lonzo Ball!
Dr Buss rolling in his grave since passing Feb 2013. Outside of 19-20 & 20-21 (when AD Bron hurt or they have great chance for repeat🏆) 2013-14 to current lakers have been run horrifically.
Also Nuggets are in the West, but they also have the 9th easiest remaining SOS (easiest in West though OKC 2nd easiest in West) in the entire NBA. Bucks 7th easiest.
MVP def a 3 man race though between Jokic SGA & Giannis. Luka outside shot, but Mavs 5-1 without him & his slow start hurts vs those 3 guys. IF OKC wins 65-67 games and Shai stays #1 by far in +/-, net rating, win shares while averaging 30, 6, 6, 3 stocks on 63% TS% he’s gonna be tough to beat.
Also KAT > Brunson far this year and has higher MVP odds than him (6th best vs 10th best).
PS Of course Suns want JIMMY BUTLER over BRAD BEAL! The problem is why TF would Miami Heat want an injury prone Beal due 135 million the next 2.5yrs when they have Tyler Herro playing the same position? Surely Pat Riley is not that dumb. Maybe if Suns also give up Ryan Dunn & Ighodaro with the 2031 unprotected 1st + some other swaps, but I just don’t understand why Heat would want Beal (with a no trade clause averaging only 47-48 games per year the last 3yrs who is on pace for 49 games this yr!)?!? Kuminga at 22, Wiggins 2-3 yrs younger + way cheaper than Beal + picks way more intriguing if I’m Miami.
So when Legler said Boston is going to continue to dominate and maybe get even better in the last 2/3 of the season, do you think he was concerned about the Bulls whipping their ass in Boston? Because that's NEVER going to stop being funny. 🤣🤣🤣
Giannis MVP SZN ✅
Since legs worse half said boston would finish 5 games above clevland (just disrespectful btw) and he said it wasn't even a hot take a 1 pepper take cavs have crushed bucks and 76ers b2b. That boston would catch and pass the cavs by 5 games in the next 30 is disrespectful. Cavs are just blowing teams out of the water by 25+ nightly. 25-4. Put some respect on their name
My Money is on the Suns not be healthy. Their star players are always hurt now. The odds of them being healthy are slim to none.
Grizz have been destroying and they are just a nice story
Havent seen the video yet but i have two both in the suns. Tyus Jones has been incredible this year and the surprise is his offense and ryan dunn and his 3 point shooting.
KAT more likely to get MVP than Brunson this year …
Love yals pod but keeping Golden State out of all your western conference playoff / trade convo for the first 30 mins i’ve listened to here so far is just plain foolish
Legler is off his rocker . Spent two minutes talking about Brunson, Mitchell as outside mvps ? lol they are like 10-15th on the list. And the clippers no one thought they’d be this good? lol legler doesn’t value a team if he can’t name more than 3 guys on it.