I actually want to say that Tifo called that out like years ago. Levy building that gargantuan stadium, and some other big things like giving Son and some other players a bag, means they're not going to be able to keep squad quality depth or refill the ranks as other big teams will. That, compounded with a ton of injuries, is what's killing them this season. Their bench, minus Reguilon, is like entirely young guys. They're going down the dark path of "the owner can't get out of the way" like United.
@@tengille yeah it's weird. but at the same time it's also crazy how tottenham has been a top club for the last 20 years (based on their league positions) but somehow never managed to win a trophy. arsenal, manu, liverpool, even leicester all had their moments of glory. wild if you think about it. but this is also the first season in recent memory where they could finish outside the top 10. they were more consistent than most clubs. and even with their worst squad in ages, they are doing well in europe. just a very confusing club lol
@ personally, they've never hit on a manager. and i don't think they're a "top team". idk what the bookmakers say but i bet its worse than 50/50 they get into Champions League each year, if you were to bet August 1st. they've had great players, who have all left for greener pastures (kane, bale, modric, walker, berbatov, carrick, trippier) and that will continue. until they get to that arsenal level of being a legit challenger, once (they've never truly challenged for a PL title in recent history) they're just "good", at best
@@tengille outside of england they are seen as a top club because they are part of the "big 6". this season could be the start of a descend to midtable/in contention for europe aka 6-8th. but who knows, maybe they turn it around again. the first months under ange they looked very strong. you never know what you get with spurs
The real Bournemouth story was Eddie Howe taking them from league 1 to prem and keeping them there long enough to break through into an established side. All Iraola has done is build on top. He’s not even achieved anything yet either😂 many managers have done this before. Fulham, Bolton, Middlesbrough, West Ham, wolves, Burnley, Leicester. It’s not that great of an achievement compared to the rest. Leicester won the prem, wolves, Burnley and Bolton made Europe, Middlesbrough got to the final of uefa cup and Fulham took athleti to extra time in the final of the europa league.
I'm guessing from the timing of your comment (e.g. 4 min after it was released, when it's a 6 min long video), that you didn't watch the whole video, you just reacted to to the headline. If you'd have watched it all you'd have seen that they address the fact that Forest are far outstripping their underlying stats, so could regress to the mean. But then you wouldn't have top likes if you'd have waited. So as clicks win then you've won this particular game.
@@HarryWessexno it isn’t? Bournemouth have gradually gotten here. They finished comfortably in mid table and everyone had them pushing into top 10. Forest were close to relegation and loads of people had them going down. Whilst Bournemouth is still impressive, Forest is by far more impressive with the amazing turn around whilst Bournemouth have gradually gotten to where they are.
Where tf did this Chris wood come from? This is a guy who was just shy of premier league quality for his entire career, had a horrible season at Newcastle, a difficult first year at forest and then this? It’s just insane!
Anderson and Milenkovic always looked sensational business. Both have levelled up Forest immeasurably and I thought they’d do well after those coups. Yates playing with Anderson is a new player, their chemistry is excellent.
also helps nuno is a really really solid manager, and I was supprised not to see ryan yates mentioned at all. Heartbeat of the club and will draw a ton of fouls in game
Nottingham Forest is thriving under a manager who combines precision with tactical sharpness. Their recruitment has been excellent on a modest budget..Murillo (10m) has grown into a top defender perfectly complemented by Milenkovic (12m). Ola Aina a two-footed fullback arrived on a free while goalkeeper Sels (5m) has been a revelation. Even Moreno’s loan has added valuable depth. In midfield Morgan Gibbs-White’s creativity pairs seamlessly with Elliot Anderson’s energy while Ryan Yates provides grit & determination. Up front Chris Wood is in red-hot form converting chances consistently. Defensively Forest is rock solid tough to break down & they frequently score first which shifts games in their favor. Their system suits every player perfectly & they’ve benefited from a lack of midweek fixtures allowing time for rest & preparation..an overlooked advantage.
Unfortunate loss last game but a 9 game unbeaten run speaks volumes. The team has improved massively under Nuno and wil continue to do so. Lets see the reaction from Forest at the weekend.
I'd take 6th or 7th right now. Champions League would be amazing for days out but I genuinely think if we were in the Europa or Conference League we'd have a very real chance of at least doing well in it and possibly winning it
Marinakis’s club group is also trying to create a similar style of playing, without necessary keeping the ball so much, with high and aggressive pressing, quick and direct attacking (see also Olympiacos style of playing). They are also Having rather the next season two teams in Champions League League Phase, even better days are coming for both of them.
I guess next year we will see them in European tournaments, and it feels like traveling back in time. I was fascinated to find that this team was European Champion twice, only to be invisible now, and I didn't expect to see it rise again.
It's interesting that if you look at xPTS then Forest should be 9th and Bournemouth should be 3rd. I imagine that we will see Forest drop down a bit while Bournemouth rise, especially as Bournemouth have a bunch of easier fixtures coming up.
It could be that Nottingham Forest have jumped the shark and are going back to being relegation form after this, in which case this video would have been great timing.
bro Bournemouth are in the top 3 of the league with arsenal and Liverpool it’s nothing to be ashamed of and remember Nottingham was liverpools first loss this season
So that means that all the good work they have been doing throughout the season should just be forgotten? Because of one game, what kind of logic is that?🤦🏽♂️
Nuno is obviously genuinely tactical not pretend. As a long suffering spuds supporter, (that one wasn't corrective text that was all me). I'm confused about why he only got a couple of months at Tottenham. Syth Levi at it again now with Ange. Makes it a bit more interesting to someone new in the top 4.
The whole situation with Brennan Johnson was a joke. If FFP forces club to sell players below value at the start of a window, rather than later in the window where they can maximise values, then the rules aren't fit for purpose. It's not like forest massively overspent, the only rule breakage was related to timing.
As a Forest fan, that is the sad reality. You either comply with the rules, are subsequently not strong enough, and get relegated (Luton's a great example of this). Or you do what we did. Broke the rules, took the hit of the deduction but use the time allotted to build for something big.
Can we talk about Bournemouth and how they've been undefeated in 11 games? 12 if you count the FA Cup win against West Brom. If you had told me in August that The Cherries would be contending for Champions League in January I would've laughed in your face. Bournemouth is hands down the most exciting team in the Prem now. IMO. Props to Nottingham tho, also team who I never expected to be this high in the table..but Justin Kluivert thooo, what a player he's become this season my God.
If Nuno were English he'd be getting criticism for being a dinosaur. Dyche got Burnley to 7th spending LESS than Forest have. Let's see if Nuno can better Dyche.
Really happy to see a new team breach the top end of the Prem despite an admittedly very negative style of play (cry if you want but it is what it is, its a way to win games), the one thing I would say to Forest fans is to stay humble and remember that they flirted with relegation last season, and a few bad results to start next season or poor recruitment in the summer/teams figuring out a way to play their game can see them right back there. I have seen some absolutely insane takes from Forest fans since they hit some form, claiming players as world class or better than X or Y player who have maintained great PL form for a lot longer than Forest have. I understand Forest have a much larger and grander history than alot of PL teams but that does not shield you from the ebb and flow of the PL and how quickly things can change. Aside from that, a genuine well done to Forest, love to see it !
They still clearly can, enough points already to withstand a poor run of form now and still stay on track. Teams below still have to play each other too mostly
They cheated, barely survived the punishment and have ridden their luck with an insane and unsustainable conversion rate and injury stats, there you go saved you 6 minutes.
We can easily see how it was a fluke, Nuno Santo played his usual pure defensive game and got lucky on the counters in a bunch of games that saw some of his attackers show bit of form like the Wood who is a modern day Benteke, moment that fake defensive solidity crumbled under the weight of Nunez's boots they returned to normality Bournemouth will crumble in a similar manner soon
The season ain't over yet. I follow Nuno Espírito Santo since 2002/03 when Porto bought him. I'm a Porto supporter and saw this guy choke in key moments as a goalkeeper and later on as a manager. Give him time. He will eventually disappoint as he always did throughout his so called "career".
@@ΚωνσταντίνοςΠαπαναστασίου-υ8σ I am 99% sure. Rest of the "top" teams are just bad for first half of season, and Nottingham just overperformed. City, Chelsea, UTD and so on, can be just better for the rest of the season, and Nottingham will slowly just drop down & luck will turn away from them. Like a lot of games even now, Nottingham won with a lot of luck, they should concede 3 goals, and they somehow win wih 2 shots by 1-0. Well that has to stop sometimes. And as you can see now vs Bournemouth their luck turned the side and they got demolished. In 50% of games that they won or draw, they were way worse team, just they had more luck. It looks good now on short-term, but on the long-term, it will balance itself out, and they will finish mid table. If you compare them to Leicester "magic" run, they're not even close. Leicester actually played quality football and outperformed a lot of team by pure dominance & great play. Nottingham is just overperforming by luck, and that's it.
@@jdalbion Forest have averaged more than 2 shots on target per game, so not sure where that "stat" is coming from. Also, Forest play on the back foot and counter, as they have done all season, and catch teams on the break. I'd say it's been a pretty successful tactic so far this season. The majority of Forest fans would be happy with a midtable finish, still an improvement.
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Think it’s safe to say that Bournemouth also surprised them the other night
Bro please, it's still hurts, give us this time to heal
LOL
and nuno was called an out of his depth terrorist during his time at spurs... that club is really astonishing.
I actually want to say that Tifo called that out like years ago. Levy building that gargantuan stadium, and some other big things like giving Son and some other players a bag, means they're not going to be able to keep squad quality depth or refill the ranks as other big teams will.
That, compounded with a ton of injuries, is what's killing them this season. Their bench, minus Reguilon, is like entirely young guys.
They're going down the dark path of "the owner can't get out of the way" like United.
@@tengille yeah it's weird. but at the same time it's also crazy how tottenham has been a top club for the last 20 years (based on their league positions) but somehow never managed to win a trophy. arsenal, manu, liverpool, even leicester all had their moments of glory. wild if you think about it. but this is also the first season in recent memory where they could finish outside the top 10. they were more consistent than most clubs. and even with their worst squad in ages, they are doing well in europe. just a very confusing club lol
@ personally, they've never hit on a manager.
and i don't think they're a "top team". idk what the bookmakers say but i bet its worse than 50/50 they get into Champions League each year, if you were to bet August 1st.
they've had great players, who have all left for greener pastures (kane, bale, modric, walker, berbatov, carrick, trippier)
and that will continue. until they get to that arsenal level of being a legit challenger, once (they've never truly challenged for a PL title in recent history) they're just "good", at best
@@tengille outside of england they are seen as a top club because they are part of the "big 6". this season could be the start of a descend to midtable/in contention for europe aka 6-8th.
but who knows, maybe they turn it around again. the first months under ange they looked very strong. you never know what you get with spurs
Been saying it since that one press conference, but Conte was right.
Crazy how Spurs talked bad about him. Nuno, Conte and Mou proven right
Now we need a video like this for Bournemouth and iraola
Save it for the end of season. Don't want a jinx
The real Bournemouth story was Eddie Howe taking them from league 1 to prem and keeping them there long enough to break through into an established side. All Iraola has done is build on top. He’s not even achieved anything yet either😂 many managers have done this before. Fulham, Bolton, Middlesbrough, West Ham, wolves, Burnley, Leicester. It’s not that great of an achievement compared to the rest. Leicester won the prem, wolves, Burnley and Bolton made Europe, Middlesbrough got to the final of uefa cup and Fulham took athleti to extra time in the final of the europa league.
posting this right after they got destroyed 5-0 is a choice
Bournemouth since 2008, is still a crazier story than NF this season
howe & iriola 🐐
That's just Iraola being Iraola. It still doesn't diminish the fact that NF this season is kinda cracked
I'm guessing from the timing of your comment (e.g. 4 min after it was released, when it's a 6 min long video), that you didn't watch the whole video, you just reacted to to the headline.
If you'd have watched it all you'd have seen that they address the fact that Forest are far outstripping their underlying stats, so could regress to the mean.
But then you wouldn't have top likes if you'd have waited. So as clicks win then you've won this particular game.
@@HarryWessexno it isn’t? Bournemouth have gradually gotten here. They finished comfortably in mid table and everyone had them pushing into top 10. Forest were close to relegation and loads of people had them going down. Whilst Bournemouth is still impressive, Forest is by far more impressive with the amazing turn around whilst Bournemouth have gradually gotten to where they are.
The turnaround is amazing
Good job Nuno
Chris Wood having a 30+ % conversion rate makes him so under rated, definition of clinical.
He is underrated because managers knows they cant ensure him to managed to overperformed at new club.
If we could transport your comment two or three seasons in the past people wood think you are crazy.
Where tf did this Chris wood come from? This is a guy who was just shy of premier league quality for his entire career, had a horrible season at Newcastle, a difficult first year at forest and then this? It’s just insane!
@@Agueroooo he has been playing in England for years
@@AguerooooHe has five 10 goal minimum seasons in the prem, he played a lot for burnley.
Anderson and Milenkovic always looked sensational business. Both have levelled up Forest immeasurably and I thought they’d do well after those coups. Yates playing with Anderson is a new player, their chemistry is excellent.
Liverpool's only loss this season came from Nottingham Forest 💀
Well that's false now 🍒
@junyissmarthow ?
@junyissmart Um no it isn't? Liverpool's only loss in the league this season has come against Nottingham Forest.
To me bournemouth have been a surprise package this year kindly provide us with analysis of the cherry this year project
also helps nuno is a really really solid manager, and I was supprised not to see ryan yates mentioned at all. Heartbeat of the club and will draw a ton of fouls in game
Nottingham Forest is thriving under a manager who combines precision with tactical sharpness. Their recruitment has been excellent on a modest budget..Murillo (10m) has grown into a top defender perfectly complemented by Milenkovic (12m). Ola Aina a two-footed fullback arrived on a free while goalkeeper Sels (5m) has been a revelation. Even Moreno’s loan has added valuable depth. In midfield Morgan Gibbs-White’s creativity pairs seamlessly with Elliot Anderson’s energy while Ryan Yates provides grit & determination. Up front Chris Wood is in red-hot form converting chances consistently. Defensively Forest is rock solid tough to break down & they frequently score first which shifts games in their favor. Their system suits every player perfectly & they’ve benefited from a lack of midweek fixtures allowing time for rest & preparation..an overlooked advantage.
don’t forget him getting the best outta talented wingers like elanga and hudson-odoi who didn’t make it within top teams
So many managers could learn from what he's done
Unfortunate loss last game but a 9 game unbeaten run speaks volumes. The team has improved massively under Nuno and wil continue to do so. Lets see the reaction from Forest at the weekend.
6th or 7th will be a great season for them and I hope people remember that
I'd take 6th or 7th right now. Champions League would be amazing for days out but I genuinely think if we were in the Europa or Conference League we'd have a very real chance of at least doing well in it and possibly winning it
Thank you for the interesting information, it was a pleasure to watch.
Kinda funny how Nottingham Forest are considered underdogs today with two Champions League titles
I'm highly impressed and I wish them the very best in pursuit of European football.
Marinakis’s club group is also trying to create a similar style of playing, without necessary keeping the ball so much, with high and aggressive pressing, quick and direct attacking (see also Olympiacos style of playing).
They are also
Having rather the next season two teams in Champions League League Phase, even better days are coming for both of them.
I guess next year we will see them in European tournaments, and it feels like traveling back in time. I was fascinated to find that this team was European Champion twice, only to be invisible now, and I didn't expect to see it rise again.
Your graphics are awesome. Who does them?
Nottingham Forest are what Chelsea under Clearlake want to be
This is so just… wow Nottingham! Really just suprised me in 3rd of Premier league!
Bournemouth: “We are not surprised.”
Brad Friedel won the golden glove in 2002-03 with Blackburn.
They finished 6th that year
I love tifo voice 🎉🎉❤
Bournemouth is THE success story of the season so far
it was stated that they will find it hard to keep it up
It's interesting that if you look at xPTS then Forest should be 9th and Bournemouth should be 3rd. I imagine that we will see Forest drop down a bit while Bournemouth rise, especially as Bournemouth have a bunch of easier fixtures coming up.
We need a Bournemouth video next
Think they're still not going to finish at top 6
Great timing lads, could've posted this any day and you wait until after we get obliterated 5-0 😂
It could be that Nottingham Forest have jumped the shark and are going back to being relegation form after this, in which case this video would have been great timing.
@@sieteocho To be fair, we've had other pastings this season and bounced back. We do have a difficult run coming up though.
And you lot thought we were afraid to play you 😂😂
You need to make more vids mate
Had the second least injuries by Jan according to Opta.
we're not pressing in ridiculous ways like Spurs which definitely helps
I miss Elliot Anderson at Newcastle
Damn you PSR
The timing is very awkward after they got thrashed by Bournemouth
Tifo ❤
Also bournemouth. They way they play bournemouth could cause problems in the champions league
Poor Danilo got sidelined in this explanation
Timing unreal
You forgot the signing of Edu gaspar
Won’t get top 6. 7th still good though.
If Chris Wood Could, Chris Wood Would - JJ Bull
You are welcome
BUT..!
Why they collapsed against Bournemouth?! 🤷♀️
bro Bournemouth are in the top 3 of the league with arsenal and Liverpool it’s nothing to be ashamed of and remember Nottingham was liverpools first loss this season
@@12arsenal21 Bournemouth are 7th
@@SableLakeGames this whole time I’ve been confusing them and Nottinghams place on the table 🤦🏾♂️ still tho Bournemouth isn’t an easy game
So that means that all the good work they have been doing throughout the season should just be forgotten? Because of one game, what kind of logic is that?🤦🏽♂️
Forest playing FM with their transfers
Well lets hope nuno wins a tropphy for forest
Nuno is obviously genuinely tactical not pretend. As a long suffering spuds supporter, (that one wasn't corrective text that was all me). I'm confused about why he only got a couple of months at Tottenham.
Syth Levi at it again now with Ange.
Makes it a bit more interesting to someone new in the top 4.
1. Get penalized for breaking FFP
2. Stay up in the prem
3. Profit
The whole situation with Brennan Johnson was a joke. If FFP forces club to sell players below value at the start of a window, rather than later in the window where they can maximise values, then the rules aren't fit for purpose. It's not like forest massively overspent, the only rule breakage was related to timing.
As a Forest fan, that is the sad reality. You either comply with the rules, are subsequently not strong enough, and get relegated (Luton's a great example of this).
Or you do what we did. Broke the rules, took the hit of the deduction but use the time allotted to build for something big.
1. Don't get penalized for breaking FFP 115 times
2. Win the league multiple times
3. Profit
You cursed them 😂
he has done what ten hag couldnt.
Can we talk about Bournemouth and how they've been undefeated in 11 games? 12 if you count the FA Cup win against West Brom. If you had told me in August that The Cherries would be contending for Champions League in January I would've laughed in your face. Bournemouth is hands down the most exciting team in the Prem now. IMO. Props to Nottingham tho, also team who I never expected to be this high in the table..but Justin Kluivert thooo, what a player he's become this season my God.
The spirit of Robin Hood.
Robin Hood ➡️ Chris Wood
If only spurs had a bit more patience with nuno 🤣🤣
Wow. I'm first on a Tifo post for once
Well done but they are shocking to watch
You chose the worst time to post this
Posting this after they got battered by Bournemouth 5 - 0 💀💀💀
Forest will drop of into 8th or 9th.
Do more videos on Chelsea FC
Perfect timing 👌
It helps that forest has wood
They just got destroyed 5-0 by Bournemouth.
Excellent timing👌👍
Not the best timing. Almost lost a 3-0 lead to Southampton and lost 5-0 at Bournemouth 😂
Do you know how good Chris Wood is? I bet you dont
Up the cherries 🍒
If Nuno were English he'd be getting criticism for being a dinosaur.
Dyche got Burnley to 7th spending LESS than Forest have. Let's see if Nuno can better Dyche.
Really happy to see a new team breach the top end of the Prem despite an admittedly very negative style of play (cry if you want but it is what it is, its a way to win games), the one thing I would say to Forest fans is to stay humble and remember that they flirted with relegation last season, and a few bad results to start next season or poor recruitment in the summer/teams figuring out a way to play their game can see them right back there. I have seen some absolutely insane takes from Forest fans since they hit some form, claiming players as world class or better than X or Y player who have maintained great PL form for a lot longer than Forest have. I understand Forest have a much larger and grander history than alot of PL teams but that does not shield you from the ebb and flow of the PL and how quickly things can change. Aside from that, a genuine well done to Forest, love to see it !
They were never going to finish top 6
They still clearly can, enough points already to withstand a poor run of form now and still stay on track. Teams below still have to play each other too mostly
I know you had to swallow your pride by not mentioning Sangare because he’s probably gonna be one of their failed signings 😂💔
They cheated, barely survived the punishment and have ridden their luck with an insane and unsustainable conversion rate and injury stats, there you go saved you 6 minutes.
wsp
"How Bournemouth have surprised the Premier League" 💀
So they are pointlessly knocking it around at the back and conceding stupid goals? Gotcha.
they're this seasons villa. all for another non-big6 club breaking through at the cost of the big 6
We can easily see how
it was a fluke, Nuno Santo played his usual pure defensive game and got lucky on the counters in a bunch of games that saw some of his attackers show bit of form like the Wood who is a modern day Benteke, moment that fake defensive solidity crumbled under the weight of Nunez's boots they returned to normality
Bournemouth will crumble in a similar manner soon
Proves that tiki taka isn’t the only way to get you success.
Actually, Tikitaka is waste of time.
@ it really isn’t. But it isn’t the only good tactical philosophy. In all fairness though, put some respect on it lad.
The season ain't over yet. I follow Nuno Espírito Santo since 2002/03 when Porto bought him. I'm a Porto supporter and saw this guy choke in key moments as a goalkeeper and later on as a manager. Give him time. He will eventually disappoint as he always did throughout his so called "career".
Concordo e assino por baixo
You couldn't be more accurate. He's a total choke job😂
When did he choke at Wolves or Saudi?
🍒🍒🍒🍒🍒
MGW
They are safe now probably set by the board ..actually nuno can lose now in every matches😂
Owned by a renowned drug dealer.
bournemouth > forest
is this an ai voice
no
just lost 0-5 to Bournemouth 😅
So what though? A complete freak result in the context of the season so far
@@rishiprem18 freak result. You lot were played of the park ffs😂😂
wow this Forest team sounds fantastic, how did they do in their last match?
*checks result*
oh
Luck, thats how
سيييي
They're just overachieving, they will drop heavily for the rest of the season.
dont be so sure about that
@@ΚωνσταντίνοςΠαπαναστασίου-υ8σ I am 99% sure. Rest of the "top" teams are just bad for first half of season, and Nottingham just overperformed. City, Chelsea, UTD and so on, can be just better for the rest of the season, and Nottingham will slowly just drop down & luck will turn away from them.
Like a lot of games even now, Nottingham won with a lot of luck, they should concede 3 goals, and they somehow win wih 2 shots by 1-0. Well that has to stop sometimes. And as you can see now vs Bournemouth their luck turned the side and they got demolished. In 50% of games that they won or draw, they were way worse team, just they had more luck.
It looks good now on short-term, but on the long-term, it will balance itself out, and they will finish mid table.
If you compare them to Leicester "magic" run, they're not even close. Leicester actually played quality football and outperformed a lot of team by pure dominance & great play.
Nottingham is just overperforming by luck, and that's it.
@@jdalbion Forest have averaged more than 2 shots on target per game, so not sure where that "stat" is coming from. Also, Forest play on the back foot and counter, as they have done all season, and catch teams on the break. I'd say it's been a pretty successful tactic so far this season. The majority of Forest fans would be happy with a midtable finish, still an improvement.
It is a game guys, anything can happen. Don't try to make it a science, it would be boring then.