Fabricating and machining 8” riser block
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- In this video I fabricate and machine a new bigger riser block for my milling machine.
First job is to take the 4” block out of the milling machine to see how a new one needs to be made.
15mm top and bottom plates are cnc plasma cut out, 12 mm braces are also plasma cut out. These are tacked together before a 6mm outer ring is rolled in the rollers.
After the riser block is welded up, its put into the lathe to have the mounting faces machined flat and also the outer diameter is machined for a smooth appearance.
The bolt holes are then transfer over onto the new block, top side is drilled and tapped, bottom holes are drilled straight through.
Finished off with a coat of red oxide spray paint.
Hope you enjoyed the video.
Thanks for watching.
A wise man once told me "You cannot make a mistake until you do something!" Be wary the man who never makes mistakes. He’s likely not doing anything.
Another job well done!👍👍
Anyone that says they never broke anything, never fixed anything.
@@mongoose388 Truer words were never spoken!
My dad always said “if you do all the work, you’re gonna make all the mistakes!”. Truer words were never spoken.
A ship is safe in the harbor, but that is not what ships are built for. 🙂
Another phrase is an expert can fix his inevitable mistakes so that nobody ever notices.
Ollie, we are blessed with the English language that includes a wide variety of very rude swear words that can be used to provide some relief from balls ups such as these.
“one lump” 👍😂
Nicely done! When you were marking the holes out, I was screaming: "Flip the ring over....flip the ring over!" .......But it turnout well in the end. Like I say to my kids, "Its much easier to play the game on the couch eh?"
I made the mistake of thinking it would be symmetrical
You could have edited your mistake out, and we would have never seen it. Your a excellent trades man, you own your mistakes, and learn from them. Job well done!
I edited a lot of swearing out when I realised it was wrong 🤣
Great stuff, being honest here, I've known time served engineers who would NOT have made that spacer better than you have. The error with the hole spaces is a lesson learned, you probably will never make that same mistake again. Really enjoyable post, thank you 👍 We do appreciate the time spent making these posts, and watching you and your mates have tractor pulling exercises 🚜🚜🚜 thanks again
Superb job, and thank you for showing how life really is in a engineering shop. Things dont always go to plan, however we learn from it and move on, the job gets done just the same.
Well done, Ollie! I'm stunned at how true that turned in the lathe before you started skimming it!
Skillz 😎 🤣
My mate and his father before him were farmers. They did all their own repairs. The father said to the son it doesn't matter if something is wrong or broken you can only make it better. There are no problems only solutions. The outcome is all that matters in the end. Another good job done enjoyed that very much.😁❤
Gday, that riser block turned out pretty bloody good and looks like a good weekend away to, cheers
The flaming exhaust clip at the end might make a short that could go viral.
It's only a "balls up" if it's scrap! Job well done. The only man that never made a mistake it the same guy that never did anything.
Great job. I was watching closely to see if you flipped that ring when doing the second side.
Then I couldn’t think if you needed to flip it or not. Good save though. You are handy with that putting on tool.
Nice to see the power cord hanging there while your drill was in tapping mode. 🤠
You need a tapping head. I’m sure you can get one that doesn’t work from China.
Seriously it does look like you are doing it the hard way which is why it rates as your favourite.
Have you seen the tapping thing Abom79 has. Talk about overkill. I reckon it must have been a freebie.
Comment for the algorithm to help the channel 👍.
Thanks for that!
Hi Ollie, hope you're keeping well. If you're not making mistakes you can't be doing owt. Someone said that once. Great job, and fixing your mistakes only took a bit o' time. Well done. As for the tractors? I knew my life was missing something! 😂 Thanks for sharing. Stay safe and keep up the good work.
Greeting from the Oklahoma USA....if that's the only mistake, you still win the game. You could have edited the mistake out and we would have never known but you kept it in the video so I commend you. Excellent! Keep up the good work Oliver.
Great project. Can you add both blocks? When you are turning the OD, you might try a boring bar instead of a toolbit holder so you could stand off a bit more. I enjoy you channel
Good idea on both points.
Hmmm, even massive fabrications like that have their torsion limits. I'd sure do some testing first before using both blocks together.
@@BruceBoschek I've watched enough Snowball videos to know he'll just temporarily weld it all together if he needs to then gouge the weld out later and start over again. Nothing seems to stop him. Haha
At 41:33 he says he has an upcoming job where he'll "need either both blocks in or neither".
@@kindabluejazzOh, thanks. I missed that!
Great project and really well executed. I enjoyed your creative video angles and the overhead shots. Kudos to leaving in your leaving in your errant holes and recovery process. Creative people often fall into those traps. Keep up the great work I enjoy all your posts.
Fred
Ontario, NY USA
www.youtube.com/@FredMiller
Well done and much appreciated for the explanations of the processes! As someone new to milling I am able to learn many new things by watching and listening to your reasoning. Thanks! 👍👍👍😀😀
You didn't say whether you used a steak or a pork pie to get the circumferance 🤣 Fantastic video and great work (as usual).
Enjoy watching your projects and how you approach them. I enjoy when you mention how you measure things and the mathematics you use. The tractor pull was excellent.
We called them "soup cans" where I used to work. Had a big overhead crane in the shop and eye bolts in the top of the Bridgeport mills. Just bring the crane over lift the top off change out your desired height soup can reattach the head and your done. Great job on your riser block. If you can't find what you need and you have the skill and knowledge then you build one...
A viewer from the USA.
Hj did you not thinl about useing your booring bar to do the out side .
Nice fix for the mill, I have to turn the head on mine 90° and then I usually run out of table travel !
My old foreman warned me about flipping stuff over. When he first got married, they bought a carpet remnant, but couldnt afford to get it fitted, so he reckoned if he turned it over, he could draw the room plan on the back with a marker pen and cut it out exact. Worked perfect till he flipped it back the right way up !
I’ve done conversion plates before for engines/gearboxes so I’ve had experience with the mirrored image before (thankfully I’ve never ballsed one of them up) but these bolt holes I expected to be symmetrical.
Thumbs Up! Very interesting project build. There are certainly more ways to skin a cat, sort a speak, than just cutting a huge block of metal to make such an adapter. And since you turned it parallel on the lathe so both ends are true, it works!
Clever lad you ! Well done !
Good job, mr Snowball! Glad i found this channel, always learning something new here! Extended reach for outside in the lathe could maybe been achieved by using a boring bar upside down and running the lathe backwards?
Could of done I suppose.
Good idea!
I watch a few creators who post on Fridays, so it's nice to see one appear on Sunday. Thanks for posting enjoyed it. Good camera work 😊
If you don't mind, how are the creators besides Curtis you follow?
That was good as usual Oliver. The correction to the riser block, the tractor pulling and and that witty bit of sarcasm made this another beaut video, looking forward to the next one already.
Nice one. Why buy it when you can make it.
Good job mate, you've just given me the incentive to make one for mine - they are a pain in the neck doing tool changes though!
Invest in a pneumatic tool changer. There's a non-zero chance there's a kit specifically for your mill somewhere, maybe even second hand (tho most kits are pretty cheap these days, and it's not like it has to take lugs off a truck rim). You'll never look back after that and you can supply them with air from a very small compressor (one of those jobsite ones) if you don't have one in the shop.
Well done simple mistake but remedy well done and looks good.
Thanks Oliver. Them’s who never made a mistake never made nowt !!! ,Oliver😊👍
i know you would have assembled this difference in some ways too but it did turn out looking find to us the viewer
i would fair compound the rise head block if you ever plan on painting it as the finished appearance does make a lot of differences too but it is up to you anyway to decide on when and how you going to finish it
i work on one that has been in a shop fire that had a block add it was not finished at all all the machine was still in working order but smelled like a fire the insurance wrote it off and never picked it up told me i had to get rid of it lol
talk to the paint supplier i deal with about the smell and get special paint to seal the smell and repaint the machine over light battleship grayish-blue It turned out better than i thought it wound up sold that machine a short time afterward back to the same owners lol it still at the place the backed in to the machine few years a go and broke the frame casting in many places
they did find a new frame for it and wanted me to do that repair i was busy at that time
Hell Oliver, if that's the worst thing that happened all week I think you did alright! Especially if you and the lads didn't break any tractor parts! . Cheers
Greetings from Las Vegas, NV. Really glad i found your xhannel, this is great stuff!
You could always have put a boring bar in the toolpost to do the outside. More than one way to skin a cat. Nice work. Bet an off the shelf one would cost big bronze.
Your comment, well I don't care for. The break them down and build them up is bull shit.
nice job !
little disapointment about the "clifhanger".
cheers ben.
Sorry! 🤣
It's a pity that YT dont allow multiple thumbs up (one for the fabrication and one for the sled pull at the end).😄
Can I make a suggestion about turning the O.D. of your riser block in one! Turn your tool post through 180 degs. and use a boring bar if you have one long enough and set it out far enough to make one complete cut across the diameter.
You should have engraved snowball eng on the plate before you rolled it
Would have been machined away tho.
I Oliver, loved the block build, Curtis would have and i think i think he has made one of these, so you are in great company, i was wondering do you do apparel, i would love to get my brother a tee shirt or other top, for Xmas or soon after. Simon
Enjoyed that build, look forward to seeing it in use...
Great video! I enjoy watching tools being made, just something about these types of videos.
Excellent work Oliver👍👍👍 . Thank you for sharing. Take care of yourself 🇨🇦
Good job and nice recovery from the holes. Been caught out with hole patterns like that before too, they look bang on so you assume it to be but for some design reasons they make them a baw hair out!! All the best.
Nice job on the Riser Block! Make sure you get the top and bottom faces ground so they are flat and parallel.0.01mm out over those faces could throw your head out by 0.1mm or more over the length of the ram. And don't paint the top and bottom faces!
I think it might be a good idea for you to putting in a over head Crain for lifting all your heavy stuff
cool, another new video, I've been looking forward to watching it the whole time and you've once again done a great job. Greetings from Germany 😎
I was watching you mark up the holes thinking he's forgotten to flip the angle scale, then I looked at again and thought be alright its symmetrical. I did the same last year measuring up to make a bracket for a Bosch injector pump, found my mistake after it was made - Doh!
My friend did the same with a bosch p pump onto a tractor puller 🤣
excellent work as always... thanks for sharing
another great job. Good to see honest mistakes left in to show even pro's make mistakes...
Cracking vid mucker you had more joy than a certain man in Australia 🤣 and when are you going to get a fat workshop dog 👍👍👍👍
One lump, lol
That’s how I describe my work not yours, great vid
Great work, such an annoying issue at the end, I feel for you here!
Excellent job man, I've got a 7"riser for my kbc mill haven't had to use it yet, great video, keep'um coming..
Hi Oliver brilliant video and nice to see you enjoy yourself with friends at the end. One thing that perhaps you could answer for me, you mentioned in the clip that tapping threads wasn't your favourite job. I'm sure I've seen some other engineering videos where they automatically tap threads using a drilling m/c, I could never get my head around how they don't rip the threads. Cheers.
That was an interesting way you made the new riser block, considering that the old one was cast in one piece. But the new one will do the job nicely. I was watching you make that mistake when you were marking out the holes when you put the plate on upside down and thinking it should have been up the other way. But you fixed it, so it was all good in the end. It will be interesting seeing the job you use it for. Hope you can film it and it's not something propriety that you can't film.
job well done, I enjoy watching your videos
Well anyone can make mistakes because we are human, I made mistakes in the past and made me a better man.
You learn something new and that is part of life keep learning everyday.
Job well done at the end.
Pozdrowinienia z Polski od spawacza😊😊😊
You need to get a bigger lathe like Curtis at CEE 😂
Great job mate. Important question though - how many cups of tea a day? I haven’t seen a kettle!!
Only 1, Im not a big tea drinker 🤣 and my house is only a 30 second walk so no need for one in the workshop
Just awesome craftsmanship🎉🎉
Excellent job Ollie, a you are a real engineer/designer and not afraid to develop.
Great stuff ,job well done . What's the name of that G clamps you use ?
Fantastic video again ollie
Thank you!
car jack, block of wood...smart...
Let’s have it
Good without a doubt. Very cool tractor pulling at the end 🚜
The tractor day looks like a lot of fun
wow... simple correction ....nicely done
Great save on the part. I like the old J.L Snowball 1973 crate above the lathe.
Back from the old potato growing days. Well before my time.
Looks like a nice add to the workshop!
Your intuition is your strength.
Another excellent job. Well done !
Very well done, I did not see you flip the ring over, but it makes sense that the holes would not line up. You taught me a great lesson here. I would have thought the holes were in the center like you did. Excellent fix and solution. The tractors at the end were pretty cool.
I wish I'd known you were after the riser block, my friend has an old Beaver mill with an 8 maybe 12 inch riser for sale.
I’d still be interested in them! If they’ll fit mine
@@snowballengineering I've sent you a message
I always keep in mind the the little Blue Bird of Happiness is always circling ready to crap on your shoulder given the chance. Good onya
Well that was quite uplifting...thanks for posting.
Glad you enjoyed it
Awesome video, great work. Thank you Oliver 😍😍😍😍😍😍
Very tidy man! 🧐🤔
If you make something similar in the future that needs the outside skimming but wont fit over the saddle, try using a boring bar, flipped upside down and running the lathe in reverse.
Shame about the hole positions, and extremely frustrating. Good save though.
I had the thought run thru my head that the bolt circles may be offset of the 0* mark. Seems I was right.
Hey, we all make errors at times. I just wish there was more time between my errors. :)
Great video Ollie and fantastic job. I was wondering where does the majority of steel come from over in the UK? In the US it's back east in the Pennsylvania region.
Your a clever lad well done
excellent video! very entertaining.
Top de mais amigo muito bom trabalho!!!
Whenever I watch your videos I can't help but think building things out of wood is so much easier. Being a Carpenter. But then metal workers often reckon not. I like making things out of metal. Just need a lot more practice. And skill.
What a way to close a weekend ... with a Snowball Engineering video. Now I can face work in the morning.
The Hole problem, is often done intentionally. ie, Brother, labellers, their power supplies, are opposite polarity to a common five dollar universal supply. The Bastard Brother power supply is about fifty bloody bugger dollars😮. A universal can be cut and connected as per BBBBB Brother.😊
Fine work mapping that out blessings to All 🎉🎉❤❤😅😅
Waiting for new vid, spot on
Fantastic job, its great when you've got the right tools for the job. But if your Mill has a DRO, why not plot the holes on the old riser? Then you have the dimensions for the new riser?
Another awesome job as always, i love the fact that you never try to hide your fcuk ups.....we all make em....well done on a good job😄
It would be interesting to know the total actual hours that you have in this riser block. It looks simple enough and if you’ve never done it, one could not fathom the enormous amount of work that goes into something like this. Maybe this video should be mandatory viewing for customers who tell you, “you’re crazy about your quote because all you got to do is……..”
Yep machine builder PCD’s have all kinds of surprises. You will also find 1 hole in a PCD out of place so it will only go on one way sometimes, handy to find before you drill the holes.
Transfering holes precisely isnt easy and punches aren't accurate
When I used to work in a toolroom and we had to transfer holes between plates without using a mill or special equipment, we'd use the existing holes in the plate above as guides for both drilling and tapping. It's slow and requires disassembling and reassembling the tool many times but the accuracy is guaranteed. If the screws fit the holes tightly a 0,1mm offset between holes is enough that your screws won't go in
How do Oliver, i admire your tenacity, as my dad used to say when something didn’t go according to plan on the farm “you couldn’t get vexed”
Would have been nice finished in the machine colour to match the machine 👍looks good bye the way
The corner radiuses for clearance are known as "dogbones" in the CNC industry.