Rally Driving Explained
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- Rally Champion Tim O'Neil explains the basics of left foot braking and rally driving techniques, all of which are taught at the Team O'Neil Rally School. Rally driving requires extensive car control skills and training compared to other performance driving such as road courses and track days. Left foot braking is typically used to control understeer and oversteer on a rally stage.
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This was posted on my birthday!
Much thanks, love it!
Hi, I just want to see if I understand this correctly.
You use the left foot to brake on this car to shift more weight to the front tires to prevent any understeering right? And in addition, are there any braking techniques to know on a RWD? I'd think using this technique on a RWD would actually make matters worse, but I've noticed it helps a tad if I lightly apply a bit of pressure during the turn (assuming the turn is pretty wide)
Team O'Neil Rally School what’s a “K in ditch” term? In pace notes
I want to learn too wish I was in your country it's my hobby I love watching rally races
@@ancientapparition1638 , You absolutely correct. Do not do this on a RWD Car. I think Tim O'Neil forgot to mention it.
6:35 "As you can see im quiet out of practice" meanwhile doing 90 mph trough the woods.
eraserh probably not, but it looks fucking fast lol
it looks so fast cuz camera is so low to the ground
Well... let's see; he's int second or third the most of the time so... do the maths
*quite
I'm very interested how fast they're driving? Does someone know?
I tried to break with my left foot, I almost lost my front teeth, 10/10 would try again
lol
Haha, had about the same experience first time I tried it.
It's pretty incredible the difference in fine motor control between you left and right leg after years of driving "normally".
Though it does explain the rough start one had when learning to drive I guess.. two left legs so to speak.
Floor it and press the brakes while turning, got it
"Dies in first turn"
@@mr.sultan2213 no, no, he's got it
like in gta v
Uh oh
No, floor it, and never stop. Never.
Fantastic video. A third camera showing steering wheel input would have been perfect.
You can see the steering input through the rod just above the pedals.
Nayan Sarma yes
Hey Computer! Did you get your helicopter license for the R44 (Or something like that)?
It's weird where I keep finding you, eh?
POV
Big thanks to Team O'Neil for helping me play Dirt Rally
scruffy ahahaha dude same
dirt rally is dirt naps and shitty...play dirt 3 complete until june 9th when dirt 4 comes out
kikoredog yer just dumb dude. dunno what else to say. The previous dirt games are a different genre than dirt rally and dirt 3 wasn't even good. forces ghymkana crap with Ken Bonk and that obnoxious menu voice UPLOAD THAT TO RUclips BRAAHHH
scruffy it doesn't force any gymkhana on you... you the kinda guy who his wife asks him to take the trash out and you cal it being forced?
kikoredog Dirt 3 was mostly arcade-y than anything else.
*CONCENTRATE, SAMIR*
*YOU'RE BREAKING THE CAR, SAMIR*
Sammy
TRIPLE CAUTION
Yu r breking de car
Listen to me, please samir
I came away from this with more questions than answers. Also, rally is insane.
I can't explain the joy I feel when I see this technique being sucessfully done, keep it up, you demonstrate today how good drivers you are in that rally school.
At about 1:00 I realized I have had too many beers to understand what is going on in this video. Will have to watch later.
lol
NarfBLAST Have you watched it yet?
Did u watch it yet or you a straight alcoholic?
Fuckin A same here just really mind blown by how much braking and no clutch
@@ChristopherStClair-mw1gq he brake down and go up hill hahaha
I am rally driver. I have never driven a rally car, I have no racing experience, I will probably never get to touch any form of a rally car. But i am a rally driver.
Mike West sure you are. You also have the 2016 Subaru WRX STi parked outside.
Mike West what? How are you a rally driver if you're actually not??? Explain.
TheWeed Blazer In his heart, if you believe hard enough anything's possible
Ok then I am a space alien
How can you be a rally driver if you have never driven a rally car what the fuck is that!?
is it just me realizing that this gentleman is actually giving the instrutions LIVE while he is actually driving the car!?
Sir, You are awesome
Greetings from the Azores, i think you would love our rally
Great work
You guys are nuts ! Such a sick way of driving ... why don't you put a brick on top of the accelerator for Christ sake.
Authentic Max ikr 😍😍😍
Brick might get tired
Poseclop q ...ahahahaaa😂😂😂😂😂
you guys are nut ! such a sick way driving... why don't you put a brick on top of the accelerator for Krishna sake.
lam mawlieh 😂😂😂😂
Nice graphics! What force feedback settings are you using?
x"""DDDDDDD
I don't know. I thought the graphics were a bit dull in the color palette. But there weren't any jaggies. Must have been using a TitanX.
HAHA! :D
I think he was using 4-way SLI
What game is this?
he's using GeForce titan outside.
first time i actually see this demonstrated.
your brakes must be red hot.
and doesn't that left foot braking cause you to sit at a weird angle to the pedals?
upgrade the brakes :) allocate the money for brake pads
+TeamONeilRally damn that means new pads on the brembos that's like having a new dog ever 130miles
+Salvatore Briganti yes but you get sponsors if you're good and that gets you the new brakes every 130 miles. xD
+jfv65 Hot, but I'd expect not super-on-fire hot. The brakes aren't doing as much work as you might think on dirt (vs. pavement), and a lot of his braking is just to control tire slip -- it takes very little to slow just the tire. (wheel: 20lbs, car: 2000+) I'll have to try using my left foot a lot more at the next rallyx (which normally is too short to get any speed, but first event is at VIR this year -- end of Feb.)
yes, but if you doing this you are probably rally racing, if you are doing this on your daily commute you are just an Ijiot ..
This is so much more satisfying than porn
Ghost Hawk I was number 69!
I can finally stream something else on my third monitor. Streaming porn on my second and third monitors was ok but this will be better.
Ghost Hawk sadly.......... me too.
lmfao xD
hell yeah ...makes the smile last longer !!!!
It took me a few days before i could properly use left foot brake for long periods, to learn was almost instantaneously, the problem was my leg wasn't familiar with the position. It hurts on beginning, but once you get used to it, bye bye heel and toe shift down before most corners.
Great video. Thanks for providing this insight. I never realized how much these maneuvers rely on brake input. I used to drive fast on back roads and use the emergency brake in corners, but not left foot braking. It's probably for the best that my 17 year old self didn't have this information!
I'm like mind blown right now thank you for for the tips
I'm not a rally car driver yet but I brake alot lol
Don't get me wrong, but I would expect someone from anywhere else in the world explain and show a very detailed rally driving technic, but not from USA. In Europe carguys thinks over there everyone only can do dragrace or oval. And no one knows anything about cars. I was the same some time ago, really sceptical and I had bad preconception too. But I have to admit I was so wrong. I think, somebody who have a chance to take lessons in this RallySchool, he/she will be a great driver. I really enjoyed and I found this video very helpful. Thanks!
and i hate that stereotype as i happen live very close to this place and i think drag and oval racing are the most boring ways possible to drive any car. The more corners the better!
I agree, the only track over here that's challenging is Watkins Glen, NY of all places
Honestly, learning how to control a car in racing is a bit like learning how to play a music instrument and become a wider and greater musician. Regardless of what kind of racing driver you are, you most likely have some use for advises from any other racing driver, including nascar or drag race drivers really.
Everyone has something to share and it might really end up being what helps you to improve as a driver overall.
Also, I think it's really stupid when people talk crap about Nascar or Drag Racing, I mean sure, I do also not find it that fun to watch, but as a fellow motorsports lover, it is just unlogical and immature to hate on any motorsport aside from that/those you like.
If you like motorsports, you're not supposed to hate on any other motorsport that isn't one of those you watch or enjoy, because that's really the same as sinking the boat you're in with a bunch of other people, or attack your teammates in a war because they don't use the weapons you love.
I am your great great great great great GRANDMA have to admit that is pretty true
Ben Conway
Yeah I thought it was pretty well put and I hope loads of people reads that comment and at least has a "change of heart" :)
this video was really really helpful. I learned the pendulum turn aka scandinavian flick and now I can left foot brake without a problem and I can maintain a good level of speed in corners both in gravel and tarmac. thank you Team Oniel. you guys really helped me a lot... :)
I've wanted to attend the rally school for about a decade. One day...
What's holding you back?
I am your great great great great great GRANDMA $5000
Breon Nagy
Oh, I really hope you'll get that money soon enough!
come here to Finland here you can find an old car really cheap and here are a lot of small gravel roads with almost no traffic
arska 202 We have that here too! I've competed in rally events before. I just want to go to this school for the experience.
That's how I drive my minivan into work...
I hope your route to work isn't on pavement...
Driving kids to school like:
I hope to be doing my BARS test here in the U.K which allows me to compete in rally events, and you say your out of practice? Jesus your amazing! Out of practice or not this is amazing would love to be in the passenger seat =D
I was wondering how long it usually takes the average person with a little bit of driving experience to develop this kind of coordination with their left foot? looks like it ends up being more active and requires more dexterity than your right foot...
gts013 I'm left footed so slight advantage maybe?
'Practice make perfect'
That depends on whether you know how to drive manual or not, that will take some time. One way or the other it's pretty easy to learn left foot breaking on an everyday car - especially if it's automatic, you start using your left foot to brake all the time you drive, you start slowly in an empty parking lot (school, back off the mall....) to get a feel on how much pressure you need to apply. If you know how to drive manual things might be just a tad harder since your left foot is already used to stomping the clutch, but if you automatic box driver should be a tad easier. Slowly but surely over time you will have more and more control over your left foot breaking, just remember on an everyday car and on tarmac don't brake and accelerate at the same time, just work on braking withthe left foot instead of your right foot and voila, when you get in a rally car you can put them together.
This is amazing, so much insight into how the magic control of the car works in a rally. Thanks a lot!
Sorry for the noob question but how come when he says shift down, he never touches the clutch? It's only when he's shifting up that he engages the clutch.
This one has a sequential race transmission with straight cut gears, you don't really need to use the clutch at all except to stop and go.
5:33 imagine if that guy had walked in front of the car
Mark L-N I'd rather not
Mark group B all over again xD
Mark and that my friend is why group b unfortunately was shut down.
The sector is not clear!
Mark he probably would of said something like "Brake into impact keeping pressure on the throttle then as body falls off allow the car to regain speed again keeping in mind any hair or clothing caught in the radiator fins may cause engine cooling to malfunction."
Your "Not your day, out of practice" is still really impressive!
I have an idea for future videos like this: it would be really cool for you to have an AiM or even like Harry's LapTimer set up in the car to overlay throttle, brake, and steering. Maybe also gear, rpm, and speed.
I suggest this because with braking, throttle and steering especially, it was easy to see when you were applying them, but harder to see by how much.
Otherwise, fantastic video and I really enjoyed watching it. I was unaware of how much you ride the brakes to settle the car and control wheelspin (my racing experience is all on pavement).
Man .., that weight transfer with the use of the brake you do is clean 🧼.. love it I subbed
Awesome!! I still remember you teaching me this :) great advanced driving course can't wait to visit again!
When I watch a rally videos, i automatically remember Samir 😂
I keep coming back to watch this video every now and then. There's some kind of A+ rally magic here. "ooh big rock!" 😂
This video is helping me out a lot with learning how to use a steering wheel and pedal setup on dirt rally
Awesome, simply amazing. The level of detail for the steering, braking and throttle input is mind boggling. If I ever get up the money, I'll be spending a few days scared out of my mind hurtling through the woods way too fast!
rally car drivers need a third leg
trust me he has one
akupehsluarketatAR no they don't that's why they're called rally drivers!
yeah, I'm pretty sure they don't have a third leg. Else it wouldn't fit with their already massive balls.
Yeah I clutch with my cock , left foot breaking , right foot gas,
i have a "THIRD " leg, i use for urinate
I have been eyeballing dirtfish rally school for a while, I have been there, and I really like this style of teaching that you present there at O'Neil. I might just go to both
Im so glad i found this clip, im currently trying to get better playing dirt rally 2.0 and wanted so tips on when to shift gears while cornering and how to left foot brake. So glad i found this chanel
9:12.... ohhhhh a big rock. THAT THING WAS DAMN HUGE. It would've easily destroyed a car, why is it on the course?
Maybe would flip the car.
Brian Choi how low do you think rally cars are?
Well thats the diffrence between Rally and normal racing. You have to deal with whats there the track isnt made only for racing. Also its not that big after all.
fg gf that rock was bigger than a baby head for sure
Lol that just a little bit hit not a big
You're using the brakes all the time. Sometimes right foot braking can be useful too. There's also the toe heel, the right foot braking while pushing down the clutch without using the gaz pedal when preparing the Scandinavian Flick which is in my opinion the most skilled and the most used in Rally.
8:45 everyone who drives fast has said this to themselves
That! was fucking awesome, thanks for sharing team O'Neil!
Thank you so much Team O'Neil, God bless! Be safe!
I had no idea of any of this. This was amazing.
That camera angle is so impressive and you make it look so easy
Dang, this was such a fun video to watch. Thanks
Excellent video and channel thanks 🙏🏻
this is the definition of having the best job on earth
That is exactly how I raced in "Formula One" on the PlayStation 1 back in 1996. Lower part of my thumb always on the X and with the tip of the thumb I just pressed "square" before and into corners.
Lovely.
You have no idea how happy I was when I found out my '08 VW rabbit winter beater allowed me to left foot brake.
Informative demonstration of the technique. I have been practising LFB. its going great.thanks for it.
i like the way you explain stuff :)
thanks a lot
I wish we would have rally sim that looks like this
Is there a difference in braking and throttle control with all wheel drive cars?
+Ivanrico238 Assuming the car has ABS disabled, it'll be harder to lock up the rear wheels on AWD cars, since they're being powered. It'll take a little more brake input to lock them up compared to a FWD car, and unlike FWD cars, all 4 wheels spin at (roughly) the same rate, which will affect brake lock, powering out of corners, etc. It might be harder to kick the back end out, but at the same time it might be a more consistent flow.
+Ivanrico238 FWD, vs. RWD, vs. AWD there are differences, but I wouldn't call them extreme. For example, with FWD, the gas can pull you out of trouble, where as RWD the same thing can make things worse. It's all about managing weight transfer, and thus traction, to get the desired result.
SideWays8Productions FWD pulls, RWD pushes, AWD does both. Everything changes, you don't drive any one like the other. AWD is better in every other way besides top end speed. It's best to have a secondary (independent) braking unit for the rear wheels on AWD rigs. You'll have more consistent feel of what the rear end is doing.
AWD has nothing to do with top end speed. Hell, the fastest production car in the world is AWD.
And my comment was referring to cars without independent rear braking systems (hydraulic handbrakes, etc). Some rally classes forbid it's use, and in that case, it'll be hard to lock up those rear brakes on an AWD or RWD car under power than it would on a FWD car.
Besides, left foot braking is rarely used to fully lock up the wheels. It's more commonly and easily used to transfer the weight forward to bring the back end around. In order to prevent damaging the center diff, you'll have to clutch in when using a hydraulic handbrake. With left foot braking, you can kick the back end around without locking up the brakes and binding the center diff. Tho it is harder to do when those back wheels are powered.
SideWays8Productions awd actually affects top speed but in rallying its not important. awd cars lose more power throughout the transmission so thats why.
Thank you so much teacher , I finally can stable drive in high speed of those 5, 6 or straight road on WRC Generations.
never realized how much the brakes are used on a rally car
Had no clue the breaks were used that much
sounds like a rc car lol
LilRedMS3 Straight cut gears
skurczybyk12 wouldn't mind getting another speed3, stripping it down and making a rally build out of it.
“As you can tell, I’m quite out of practice.” Sorry, I didn’t notice. 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤯
Nice explication, i learn a lot with this vídeo, Please mãe more if you can. Big hug from Azores, PORTUGAL ! •™D•💯🏁👍👊
Nice video, really interesting I always wanted to know how a rally car is driven
I was always told that accelerating and braking at the same time was bad for your car
It is. But if you are caring about your car, then you can't rally.
8:35 WOOOOW dat speed!!!!! WUOHOHOHOHOHO!
this is amazing. great driving!
I never knew I use rally techniques on driveclub. Learned something new today.
New bucket list item. MUST. DO. THIS.
i wasn't paying attention at all at explanations, but: I HAD TONS OF FUN WATCHING IT :D
sorry guys, was too fun to watch and i was lost anyway, have a great life
Great vid man!
You make it look really easy. Fantastic driving.
At the 2minute marker my breaks would cook already! ^^
But I have to say, that I, since I saw this video, I got better at Dirt Rally etc and even use it in everyday situations where I just want to avoid sliding over my front wheels. And it works perfectly. The only downside that is, that in normal modern street cars the throttle cuts out if you stay to long on the break while staying on the throttle at the same time. :-/
You're not continuously pressing the brake pedal, you're just constantly hovering over the pedal with your left foot so you can tap it at a moments notice to keep wheelspin down and make sure weight transfers to the front so you don't understeer through a corner off the track.
A smaller screen to show the steering wheel and hand break would be so helpful, amazing video even without it!
Thats what I needed Im going to practice out roads of Mosport then coming to you Thankyou!!!
thats some solid content man, no bs. way to be
Left foot break like a champ. Nice.
Really interesting mate, good job. They way you start your drift was very smart.
Great.
Now I gotta look up rally crashes.
Awesome video!
This makes me so happy.
I wish they also showed the gear indicator. Wow super smooth driving 👍
Fantastic video.
Greetings via Jalopnik!
I don't know if I learned something but it sure is fascinating as hell!
Loving the hiking.... I mean rally boots ;)
I've got property envy.
Or you can teach yourself like I did WAAAY out back in the country... and crash twice into a farmers field.
He really appreciated what I did to his fence.
I rather not
did you fix the fence
Voorwerk was amazing. Enjoyed the ride.
This looks like so much fun.
Were you using a stock fiesta ST suspension? Or did you have some goodies from Reiger installed on the car?
+DasCayman YEAH! me too! Nice how Tim is so calm and composed going like hell thru the forest on gravel...
been looking for gravel-friendly suspension, are they only custom built or are these something an average owner can acquire?
If you have an 4wd sequential race transmission and can drive you can go towards a corner full speed 4th gear then hand brake for a little bit then left foot brake and down shitt tiwce and then full throttle
Cant wait to go to this place. It is local and i plan on going
I saw a video of Collin Mcrae footwork and he didn't keep the gas pressed the whole time like you do. His braking was much more brief and when he had gas and brakes on at the same time he kept pumping the gas, never kept it pushed all the way.
Does it matter if the car is FWD, RWD or AWD?
MLCAgaming of course drivetrain matters! most of the throttle and brake inputs in this video are suited to lower power fwd cars, higher power awd like you would most likely see Colin in will require slightly different inputs, certainly more throttle modulation
ruclips.net/video/wqREtbLe4sY/видео.html thats real footporn xD
Thank you! I've always wanted exactly this view and description. I had no idea you would be on the brakes and gas together so much.
On the pendulum turns, how are you initiating the rear stepping out? E-brake?
that was a blast to watch
Love it, great video. Interesting techniques but makes sense. Former touring car racer. :)
What a great video - thank you for that 👍🏻
Nice driving!
"You can really see its not my day today" bro your going like 65+ on gravel we all here can agree youre doing amazing
great video
finally somebody show this things
Great video
So amazing, thanks for sharing!
What a marvelous wonderland you have to play in there. I'm so jealous.