When Formula 2 Cars Were Faster Than Formula 1
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Had to re-upload this video as one of the graphics was incorrect on the previous version, thank you to those who spotted and pointed it out in the comments and apologies for the mistake. Hope you enjoy it and merry Christmas!
I was thinking to myself how tf did the bottom 6 all set the exact time lmaooo I saw it before you took it down and I will watch it again merry Christmas
@@josiahboatengmyrie Oh yeah I now noticed this, I was asking myself how all 6 cars had the same exact time and then which part was the incorrect one, it was this. Merry Christmas to you Aldas too and to you Josiah
@@emilekaram6094 merry Christmas to you
@@josiahboatengmyrie ❤🤍
Was wondering why. Thanks for explaining
So "GP2 engine" was actually meant as a compliment?
Gp2, AARGH!!!
"The engine feels good."
@@kazefw3834much faster than before
@@takedown4913 the good ending
@@kazefw3834 muchs zlower than befor
Not to mention the wow factor was gone, since the engines sounded like vacuum cleaners in 2014, whereas the GP2's still had screaming V8's!
have you been to a race between 2014 and now?
@@0dieeI have (2014 British GP) and they sounded ass.
@@0diee
I was at Spa 2019, and the safety car sounded better than the F1 cars.
The Mecachrome V8s in the old F2 cars still sounded like garbage.
wow factor...requires earplugs in order to hear it safely when your a spectator if it sounds so good why do spectators need earplugs to hear it safely then huh?)
THE FIA is doing whatever it takes to make F1 to look slower and slower. The way they broadcast with cameras following the cars close up all the time, the lack of high speed corners, tilkodromes elbowing. Almost ZERO static cameras. Just to name a few.
Those sponsor logos need screen time.
@@qvor1996 That may be true but there's no way you watched enough older broadcasts to know that they had wider angle shots that zoomed OUT rather than in when cars passed by and did not laser follow the center as they do now. They still paid the bills with less hyper stable zoomed in shots. As it is now 70% or more of the broadcast during the race you're basically watching a car being rotated around on it's center axis, so there is no sense of speed to the viewer. Watch something around 2010 or earlier and the sense of speed that you would get as if you were at the race IS there, regardless of it being a tilkdrome circuit. The viewer hardly ever sees the trackside flora and architecture and landscape. The broadcast now almost always switches camera immediately as the car goes right as it clears there's no sense of speed nor does it give the viewer the incredible directional change that F1 cars are able to do. The odd replay may show it. Maybe it's the newer camera stablization gyros or image stablization in the lenses, rigs, etc but the broadcast is not as visceral as it was during the last years of the non-aspirated era. In addition to the rigs, watch the older broadcasts and how some of the trackside cameras were mounted very very high on telescoping camera platforms above the track, they were able to zoom out and pan high and along the track with the showing the incredible closure rates, speeds, and deceleration of F1 cars. Along with the rigs the HALO has taken away some of the older "incar" viewing angles that were less wide so again, the sense of speed and directional change is lost. Always I see people comment saying they fall asleep now during the race broadcast and people commenting on less noise from the cars, honestly I think the races are JUST as GOOD as it was during the NA years it's just the ultra camera angles and hyper stable focus angles in the Liberty age has made the races on TV way way WAY more boring.
heavier and tankier cars, they want to slow F1 down.
@@ponmlkyou really typed out an essay no one is going to read huh 😂
@@Boomhauersdad i read it. he makes some good arguments.
The V8 era is bit of a overlooked golden era (2006-2013) in 8 seasons with 6 were close.
2006: Alonso went back to back with a early season lead but Schumacher showing he still got it.
2007: Three way title fight with Kimi with a point over both Alonso and a rookie Hamilton
2008: Hamilton won it at the last race on the final lap on the last corner.
2009: The underdog win of JB and Brawn and the rise of RedBull
2010: 4 ways titles race when the kids become men of Seb and Red Bull first of 4
2011: easily wins for Seb and Redbull
2012: Seb and Redbull won but Alonso takes it to the final race.
2013: first half good but second half Seb and Redbull
Also the race quality was awesome. 2011 was a dominant season but it had only 3(!) boring race, rest of the season was amazing. I don't know why everyone says 2023 was good season, I remember 8 race of 23, the rest was a snoozefest
People and their "this is underrated" when nobody underrates it lmao.Sop annoying
A technical disaster, a sort of Formula Aerodynamics, based is the less useful and entertaining aspect (for a "normal" watcher) of a F1 car. Frozen engines were the best example of it.
that era is definetly not "overlook"
I love the Dallara GP2/2011, it looks perfect to me. It doesn't feel oversize like the 2018 one and it looks like one of the best F1 generations imo (2009-2013)
Word.
2009 is nightmare. To much height
@@streamcnoremorse3323 Nah, 2014-16 is worse
@@truehunger108 These cars were ugly from 2009 to 2016. Although some were so ugly that they were even good. I mean Caterham 2014
@@streamcnoremorse3323 Nah take that back.
You can't look at the brawn for 2009 or the mclaren all through 09 to 13 and think they didn't look cool.
That's like saying the W11 ain't built different😭😭😭
As problematic as they were, I really liked the skinny hybrids. In 2016 we reached a point where the straighline speeds were getting ridiculous and it was fun.
Getting Ridiculous?
The top speed record was made by Bottas in a WILLIAMS?!
@@truehunger108 Wait, IT WAS IN A WILLIAMS?, I THOUGHT HE WAS IN MERC BY THE TIME
@@mikblues_146 nope, it was at Williams, at Baku.
@@truehunger108 at mexico?
@@qvor1996baku
Man lowkey i really liked the tall "ugly" cars, they looked like a real handful to drive, and are always a fun time to handle in sims. Made it feel like f1 was actually the hardest and highest level of racing.
For me they are the best looking F1 cars ever.
@@TracerX Agreed, imo tall rear wings make these cars look great! The low wings in 2017 looked awful and ruined the cars' shape IMO
No they were just ugly.
They looked ugly and the fact that the cars were that slow is shit. However as usual the slower the cars are, usually it offers better racing than these very aero heavy cars
I really like the 2016 cars design wish it was more a tight packed grid
Watching this I couldn’t help make the comparison to the WRC as it Is In the same position F1 was during this 14-17 era! Especially now the wrc1 class has been restricted a lot to reduce the speed from the last Gen, In certain scenarios the WRC2 cars can be in and amongst the fastest stage times. The implementation of the hybrid system along with other reg changes has brought the top tier category more in line with the Feeder series below it which isn’t a great look, especially given the lack of top class cars in WRC these days. Another great video👍
Was very much the same at the end of the Group A/early WRC era as well in the late 90's. On tarmac, the screaming 2.0L F2 cars were lighter and could be quicker than the Gp.A/WRC cars. The performances of Panizzi, Bugalski, Loeb, for Peugeot and Citroen were capable of winning entire events outright.
We saw similar at Le Mans as well a few years ago when only the Toyotas were running in full LMP1 and almost lost the race to LMP2.
Used to be the case that F1 and F2 would combine grids in the 60's as well, with F2 cars on the overall podium at tracks like the Nurburgring. The late 80's and early 90's also saw F3000 cars faster than the back-of-'grid' F1 cars like Life, Coloni, Andrea Moda, up to Forti Corse in '95.
Makes sense. 2 is more than 1
But 1 is the last well f0 will be weird
@@supersubpls64f0 cars will be able to warp space-time
What makes it more ironic is that nowadays, F2 cars are even slower than Super Formula cars 😂😂😂
Super Formula was getting very close to F1 after ground effect was introduced in 2022. For 2024, the chassis has been modified, and the cars will be a little slower, so as not to affect the tires with this high downforce load.
I still gotta admit that dallara f2/11 which was raced in gp2 until the 2017 season is maybe the most beautiful single seater car designed as a whole in it's dimensions and looks
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
9:16 I have to disagree here I hated the wider and high downforce F1 cars, I prefer the 2011 models for their lightweight and agile look. My wish is for F1 to return to 2011 specifications with louder engines, retaining current ground effect regulations for 2026. Imagine the RB19's beauty resembling the 2011 RB7 size.
isn't that what they're trying to do in 2026?
I agree, I loved the way those cars would dart around. The cars we have now are good but they aren't as impressive to watch to me even if not comparing engine sound. They also continue to try and fix the lack of ability to pass etc. but I think in 2011-2013 it wasn't really that bad and better than it is now.
2012 was peak racing F1 car. I don't care about the look, those cars can actually overtake more.
hearing max chilton's name was a throwback, i remember meeting him before he was in f1 hahaha still have a signed cap from him somewhere
The Ferrari and Aston Martin of 2023 are good looking. Still, the late pre-ground effect era was way better looking. I mean, just look at the 2021 Mercedes and then the 2023 Mercedes that has the exact same livery.
Formula 3000 cars were faster than Life, Coloni, Forti(95) and Lola (97) in the 90s
the 2023 Aston Martin Cars were my fav on the grid this year and this year's season has brought me fully back loving f1!
Is it me or 2014 was the year where everything about formula 1 sucked
Nah, that was 2023
@@Zabijsie720 recency bias and straight up wrong
@@Zabijsie720 recency bias
2014 was decent/underrated. 2015 was the real stinker
A lot of things happened outside of formula 1 too on that year
I was literally half way through the other video and the randomly it just threw me out.
Love how the second half of 2013 is collectively remembered as 2010s red bull domination
It was vettel who dominated i guess
Would be very interesting to see a mixed grid of F1 and GP2, to see what car would be quicker over a race distance.
If I remember correctly, it happened in the 60's
Love from Lithuania 🇱🇹
It happened occasionally back in the F3000 days in the early 90s too.
Just goes to show how effective the coanda exhaust was prior to the rule change.
Wow, a F1 channel with no fake clickbait titles. I'm impressed.
It's worth remembering that there was a budget cap at the time, and the only teams that were still tied to it were Marussia and Caterham who were bound to it when they entered the series in 2010. they built their cars on less than a third of the other teams.
Alonso said it!!!
I didn’t know this! Well well
Damn leclerc was on fire 🔥
2000 Monaco and 2017 Monaco are two different tracks...
Yes. It was modified in 2003 and remained like that till 2017.
@@LTLGamer1 no it was still modified couple of times after that. Widening of Tobacco, refurbishing the inside barrier at swimming pool, curbs at Saint Devote. Even small touches like these can make a huge difference
That 2012. Mclaren was and is a piece of art
finally, the sequel to formula 1
I really love the 2010’s and the way those cars look….
And my god I never knew about this, but I really just fell in love with the Dallara GP2/11
imagine if they just turbo'ed and hybridized the v8 instead of the v6s. the noise and power wouldve been amazing
Caterham steering wheel looks sick
GP2 engine, GP2 engine
I do think f2 cars should become a bit faster so that the jump from f2 to f1 is "smaller"
T much of a “knife edge”… they are already very close, especially if you consider budgets. They are only down about 200 HP (probs a bit more these days). That sounds like a lot of power but they are also much much lighter since they aren’t hybrid. On HP to weight they are actually very close, biggest difference is mostly the aero.
@@cjsawinski aero is what I meant, these days f1 cars are so different that I think it's just pure luck whether a driver who does well in f2 can be decent in f1
There is also Super Formula. It is the fastest category in the world after F1. The difference is less than 5 seconds per lap.
2026 is gonna be very risky with even more hybrid electrical power
4:34 the goat leclerc😎
Hi, what are the background music you used on the video?
Schumacher's pole and Leclerc's lap at Monaco aren't really comparable; the track configuration was different (not by much, but still).
RIP Jules.
Nurturing 1995, European Gramd Prix. Jean Denis Delitraz in the Pacific sets a time in qualifying that would have put him 22nd on the F3000 (F2) grid. This is before the 107% rule so a bit of an outlier. Not sure if Deletraz was actually the reason for the 107% rules introduction the following year.
i think he was
I know some of you clown Rio Haryanto but his podium for Caterham team means a lot for us Indonesian.
He also won several times with Campos and finished 4th in a car that should've been out of top 5.
Only Muslims would remember that. But we don't.
@@gerardkhachaturyan4814 More like Indonesian people in general. However, he was the first Muslim to win a GP2 race and actually competed in F1 despite, well, you know. So, of course that means a lot to us.
@@gerardkhachaturyan4814religion has nothing to do with motorsport
And now I gotta catch up to the point in the video before it got deleted
STOP clicking your fingers at us!!
I like how the captions translate "Caterham" to "Krums"...
They should then bring in a lemans style races with GP2/F2 and run both grids at once
I remember when it was stated live on Air in around 2019 that F2 was more exciting than F1, - Anthony Davidson.
To be fair, the limiting performance factor in F1 has been the drivers since the 70s (mostly not skill but safety, although good luck controlling a car pulling 10g in turns!), so it'd be pretty easy to make something faster for a lot less money and unlimited regs if a driver didn't need to survive the experience. They pushed the restrictions a bit too far in 2014, but I reckon within our lifetimes (if only just) we'll see driverless cars where the aero can really be pushed, at which point we'll see insane laptimes.
To be fair the lap time Leclerc set at Monaco can’t be compared to that of Schumacher as the track had be re profiled twice, both times making it 2 seconds faster. Theoretically that 2000 time on the same track would be in the 15’s
Interesting topic. IMO we should have an F2 that runs a low budget car under F1 rules, they should race the same tracks on the same weekends, and when an F1 team starts tanking any F2 car that has one of the top 26 times should be promoted up to the F1 grid for a race.
Rio Haryanto spotted
Maybe its nostagia from an era I only barely remember from being a young teenager but those 2014-2016 cars arent as ugly as people like to say. I love the proportions. And the 2011-2017 GP2 is just sublime. If I was to draw a race car, it would look like that.
The 2020 Mercedes broke track records at some circuits and F1 was very quick to point this out. What they didn’t mention was that the records that they broke were often times set by cars that were 15+ years older, had skinnier tires with grooves in them, and skinnier cars overall. Give a 2004 car the tires that are just as wide as the current ones without and grooves, and allow them to make the car 2 meters wide and just watch what kind of lap times they throw down. It won’t even be close.
It would need to be the small rims wide tyres of recent. The big rims ones are just heavier and more cumbersome.
That width of the tyres does seem to hold the cars back on the straights. 1050 hp now, and they are not even close to setting top speed records even with DRS. To me it seems way too much weight is being mandated for the hybrid PUs, and too little energy deployment allowed. On top of that, reliability is now way too important for competition.
@@Cloxxki The width of the tires will increase rolling resistance slightly but I think it’s got more to do with the huge rear wings. Those older cars had fairly large rear wings but also had many small aero devices and in my opinion probably had far less drag.
Non ground effect cars are better if they are narrowers. Wider 2000s cars will be seconds slower than the the 2020 cars
@@foxctocofxk8509 Please explain how. Even if they didn’t increase the width of the car itself the wider tires without grooves by themselves would make them seconds faster than the 2020 cars.
@@JG54206 slicks would make them faster,whereas making them wider would make them overweight and worsen handling
How the hell did Caterham think that first nose would work?? It’s a knob with a wall surrounding it at the attachment!
Why Reupload?
The only 2 ways to make me follow F1 again would be 1) bring back the V10 engines and the technical rules of 2004 and 2) bring F1 back to free tv.
Bonkers...
monaco was different in the schumacher days. the swiming pool section is different
Man its sad that rio haryanto on last in f1 for a few months. as an indonesian, it was very sad day for me when i heard rio haryanto is not gonna be in f1 anymore
I just want them to show stationary camera. It works great.
Really need to point out Leclerc record f2 lap around monaco compared to 2000 Schumacher.. the track layout is different.. around the swimming pool and rascasse is now shorter than back in 2000.. not comparing apples with apples
Honestly I don't think the "speed" aspect really mattered that much. For the first half of the season it was fun to see drivers fighting traction with the higher torque engines and lower downforce. Apart from the look and sound the real criminal of this era were the high deg tyres. Sure "top" drivers can get around this issue but watching Perez nurse his tyres to do one stop less. Vs Max or Lewis do an extra stop but drive like a man possessed is no comparison in entertainment factor.
On the topic of racing not being everything to be the pinnacle of Motorsport … I still vote that f1 doubles their season and does half races as Miata races for the most chaotic close competitive racing we could ever wish for
What was worse than the 2014 changes were the 2017 changes adding downforce to the cars and making them the chonky boys they are now
The racing suffered massively.
Say what you want about the 2014 regs but the races were pretty exciting to watch, especially Bahrain which is an all time classic
When the "GP2 Engine" wasn't an insult 💀💀💀
Didn't most of the Marussia sponsors cut ties after the jules crash??? Also vergne was dropped too quickly
woah
That leclerc f2 car was so fuckin beautiful..shame they get rid of that generation of cars
Japanese Super formula cars are way faster than GP2 were back in 2014.
The modern cars look cool, but wow they look huge. Look at the 2014 and 2009 cars vs 3023. Even 2010 to 2013 looks so so much better even if they're longer
The graph in 1:33 is almost shocking...
leclercs 2017 time was faster because in 2000 the final sector was completely different
CanAm unlimited rules were faster than F1, forcing the change to 3 liter engines. The series also paid more prize money.
It's going to be the same story with the regulation changes in 2026.
4:38 Sry but different track layot in Monaco 2000 vs 2017. Facts. ;)
You failed to consider that 2014 is literally the first revolution in Formula 1. It is the first time it transitioned to full speced hybrid power trains. that's why the regulations are so strict and the cars so slow - its the first season of a new F1 era, which ultimately led to the pinnacle of F1 engineering and performance in 2019-2020, with the fastest ever f1 cars ever produced - the Mercedes W11 and the Ferrari SF90. Again, 2014 regulations led to the fastest F1 cars ever made. Like ever.
4:40 please note that track layout was different in 2000 so this is factually incorrect
Why did you re-upload?
It was faster than ***A*** formula 1 car. Not faster than Formula 1 cars though.
i hope the next engines scream more
Alonso in 2014: damn GP2 engines are faster than F1 hybrids? i'll tell my team about it, so that they can make the F1 hybrid as fast if not faster than the GP2 engine
Alonso in 2015: *gets GP2 engine
Maldonada was the only one to win an F1 race, though. In a Williams. Battling Alonso in a Ferrari.
Stars did align but he was never really slow, I think? Will SAR ever win a race? Did anyone with 22 with races to start his F1 careeer ever did?
Great video but that click noise for text and transitions is extremely irritating.
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10:16 Wise words Aldas, wise words
Wow... the 2014 F1 regs really casts the current F1 regulations in a new light.
When People Say "When Formula 2™ Car Is Faster Than Formula 1® Car", I Always Remember How The Hispania F110 Was Slower Than The Fastest GP2 Series Car At The Time.
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Wait.. so FIA thought.. let's improve F1: remove downforce. Make tires harder. Make the cars heavier. Make them sound bad.
What.. the fu** did they expect to happen??
I remember seeing and hearing these 2014 F1 cars for the first time and shaking my head in disappointment. Ugly, slow, sound rubbish, a real backwards step. The only good thing was it boosted Lewis
First part of this video is totally incomprehensible to someone who doesn't watch or follow F2 or F2/GP2. It doesn't help when you keep naming names that do not ring a bell to the outsiders. Rather, stick to the F1/F2 context and by keeping your F1/F2 comparison clear, you'll attract more audience.
Even slowest F1 cars were still fast enough to make G-force to force your asshole. It's always fast enough for me. 😁
The 2014 regulations are universally regarded.
Marussia and Caterham just got screwed over by the bosses wanting to fill that quota and pleasing the screaming idiots about the environment.
Well the good news is that F1 and the FIA is adamant on repeating the same mistake with the new regulations for 2026
Not really, modern hybrid tech is far more developed than it was in 2014. And even then all of the issues of the 2014 cars were solved in time. Also keep in mind that h
Looking back though who cares because the racing was good. Remember Bahrain 2014 between the mercedes and them seb Vs Alonso at Silverstone. The racing was good with less downforce
thank you mercedes for pushing for this regulations
Merc pushed but everyone else agreed to go along with them.
Of the modern area, 2012 was the closest fight, 2018 was the best ran year for the sport, 2020 spec cars were the peak of F1, 2021 was the most controversial year, 2022 spec cars are meh imo
2021 was a great year aside from abu dhabi
There was a lot of dodgy stuff going on in 2021. Spa, Saudi, obvs abu dhabi, the cost cap aftermath, poor race directing throughout the year