My thoughts 🤔.... because one of the girls took a chance and pushed "record" IMO they might have also tried to fight, if only one man. Sounds like more involved to me.. Didn't I hear some prison guards are sporting Odinist badges on their uniforms?? 🤔
You did! that Judge needs to recuse herself, as she has gone above and beyond to unfairly and legally mess over Allen’s right to a fair trial. Only her recusal and reinstatement of his defense team will suffice.
Court TV needs to stop having these two shady podcasters on 🙄 I can not fathom why you keep these two troublesome podcasters on. They've interfered on this case and should NOT be trusted. Once I see their faces, thumbs down and immediately stop watching. Do better court TV. Hope y'all start losing subs.
Delphi showing the world how corrupt small town officials can be. If those crime scene depictions were real how horrendous. Those poor girls suffered so much and I cannot imagine, as a mother. Anotherc larger jurisdiction should have taken this case.
Sometimes it's corruption in small towns and in big towns and the problem really is who's running the sheriff department and also the prosecution is huge whoever they've hired to be the DA and a county can make or break things as well.
Petrifying what they had to go through.o e had to watch the other one die.i believe that's why poor baby girl had splashes of blood on her. I think they came from a friend. You just wish you were there to protect them
That judge is a biased liar imo. She tells the court that the attorneys have decided to withdraw without mentioning that she ambushed them and gave them little choice. She needs to go!
@@KHay-vy8nelook at what they did to Jesse Snider in Carroll County Indiana. Dan Dulin, the man Richard Allen spoke to back in 2017 is involved in that case as well.
Looks like the judicial system is protecting a HUGE coo 👀 Louisiana has had a bunch of corrupt cops/murderers that they've protected because of inner exposure.(Most being parishes) 🤔
@@KHay-vy8ne Exactly!! Two girls murdered in a small community. Everyone knows everyone’s business. Law enforcement can’t figure out what happened? Law enforcement didn’t gather the STICKS and/or the tree BRANCHES placed on and around the girls!! What incompetence and that is just one example.
Please stop having the Murder Sheet podcast couple on your show! They are extremely biased and don’t even have all of the facts. For example, claiming that there have never been leaks by the prosecution when that is categorically false. There were leaks long before RA even had attorneys. smdh.
Exactly why I rarely click on these videos. They have been click bait for 2-3 years concerning this case, besides the main big updates, that you can get from many other outlets on YT.
My heart breaks for the two young girls families. They do not deserve to be going through this horrible fiasco. It's like picking scabs off of a wound over and over again. I cannot imagine the therapy that these families will need IF this whole horrific ordeal is ever finalized. RIP beautiful Libby and Abby.
I lost my son in 2021 and there's been several ongoing murder investigations. Very stressful. It's as you say keeps on and on your mind and body is never at rest.
I'm truly sorry you lost your son in such a horrific way. We lost our 36 y.o. son to suicide. It's the worst pain one will ever have to try and endure. Sending you our heartfelt thoughts and prayers you get justice
Aside from the tragedy for the girls and their families, if Richard Allen is indeed innocent, then he has been treated terribly....As well as this he's in prison, not jail, even though he's not actually been convicted of the crime. The more I hear about this case (it's new to me) the more it sounds like a deeply corrupt investigation. In addition, it seems that he's up against certain guards who it appears are Odinists. If Richard Allen is innocent, those who have conspired against him should be brought to justice, as well as the real perpetrators of this disgusting crime.
@@Gina19876 I just wanted to say, my heart goes out to you. I have three kids, and injustice can’t imagine the pain, anger, desperation and frustration. I hope you find peace and your son and family get justice.
Please stop using the hosts from the Murder Sheet podcast. They provide nothing of relevancy and are so biased. Idc if he is an independent attorney. He either doesn’t care or is just completely ignorant to the law. The pictures were leaked to them. Maybe they should be looked into more.
Agree. In fact, MS just admitted that the DA has leaked evidence to them. It wasn’t “protected “ but clearly the DA is using them to get info out there that would be a 3.6 violation if he were to personally leak the info to the public.
The Murder Sheet podcast has some of the most in-depth coverage of this case. They're the closest thing to experts on the Delphi investigation, as far as Journalists go. If you had actually listened to any of their shows or paid any attention to the work they've done, you would actually understand that they have a lot of integrity. And also, how many lawyers do you know of who could care less if their hair sticks out like Einstein's?
No they are not. Attorneys who actually practice criminal law in Indiana are the experts. Aine covered news stories about places like Walmart-she has no idea what she is talking about re: these briefs or recent events. Kevin is an intellectual property attorney. Big difference between that area of law and criminal law. They have absolutely no idea how to analyze these recent briefs to the ISC. And they clearly aren't even trying that hard. They could do some actual legal research before speaking.They have been wrong about just about everything, they have put forward, including what the legal issues actually are re: any claim of a leak of protected discovery. And they will do anything for a click. Including attempting to disparage the reputations of those who actually do have expertise in this area of law. I feel that Greenlee needs to be held on an ethics charge. He is giving bad legal advice and needs to be stopped.@@NickCharles-v2p
I never trust someone who's more worried about how they're being seen or how being first or "important" is their focus rather than being focused and concerned with the facts and the victim(s) of a case.
@@tanyam.2982 because they are liers working with the Prosecutors. When they got the pics they contacted McLeland but never the defense. They're liars!!!
I can't Stay and watch the rest of the show, because the Murder Sheet is being interviewed. They have hurt so many people and literally left a lot of carnage in their rear view mirror. I no longer watch or support the Murder Sheet at all. They are self saving attention seeking a holes imo!
I can’t stand the murder sheet please stop having them on. They are the whole reason this happened. Literally they are the only ones who supposedly received these photos and they made a HUGE deal out of it. Also they are WRONG about the investigators/prosecutors never having leaked photos in the past. There’s videos on court tv which people have claimed they had photos months ago… the murder sheet annoys me so much. It’s like they are working with the prosecution to get the defense team off
They are very smug! Bob called them out effectively on "the straw that broke the camel's back." How the heck do they know what Judge Gull is thinking or feeling? There are protocols to follow to ensure that Richard Allen gets a fair and impartial treatment from the court.
They're certainly propaganda mouth pieces it feels like, that so-called leak proved very beneficial for one side only in removing what was clearly effective counsel.
Agree. They aren’t objective and clearly hungry for attention. Just because the prosecution didn’t leak something to them doesn’t mean it wasn’t leaked. They’re small potatoes in the true crime workd and not the first, second or twentieth place someone leaking information would be inclined to go. Bob on the other hand knows the case and knows his stuff. I’d like to hear him speak more.
Sometimes they do more research on a case than any expert or news organization unfortunately. Idk about these specific podcasters but that’s sometimes the reason podcasters are featured or interviewed in the news or in documentaries for other cases.
Why does everything in this case suggest hidden corruption in the local gvt, police, and now courtroom? They are being waaay too secretive. The leaked photos dont justify throwing out the defense. This would be public knowledge already in many other places. I dont see how this jeopardizes a conviction.
Because small minded people like you always act like everything is a conspiracy; when it reality it’s an investigation. If information gets out, it could compromise their investigation, suspects could go on the run, making it much harder. Use your brain and shut up.
The fact that they failed to investigate this murder 5 years ago, judge banning the Odinism defense, and a cop who investigated that was "Unalived"? I certainly hope and pray after these court proceeding it gets appealed to a higher court for prejudism and corruption! This judicial corruption in this Country is out of control and has got to stop! Not following our Constitutional Laws should be ground for Treason and should be punished as such‼️✝️👑🙏🇺🇸
I am so sick of the Murder Sheet podcasters and their obviously biased “reporting”. Thank you to Court TV for having Bob, an actual defense attorney on to give a balanced view. Something rotten is going on in Indiana and that judge is as rotten as they come.
@@ingowolf4205 You’re totally right. I bet they’re thrilled that this trial was pushed out for almost another year. So much more time to appear on tv and publish podcast episodes. 🙄
They have been tampering with this trial since the beginning. If I had to guess what an “Odinist” couple would look like, it would be these two of the MURDER SHILLS. They are disgusting 🤮. Look how much interference they have been running against the defense ever since the Odinist cult was discovered nationally!
On What Grounds? On What CRIMINAL OFFENSE, LAW has she broken to be stripped of her law license and appointment as a judge? Because she released the defense team because they were LEAKING INFORMATION critical to the case. Now let's add those leaked photos that show a 14-year-old naked nearly decapitated. Seriously you'd be okay if it was someone you know? Would you be okay knowing that evidence has been closely guarded to preserve the integrity of the case to get the person accused off?
She has broken no law. They were censured when they gave a flash drive filled with evidence to a client Brandon. They were censured again when released Information not available to the public in the Frank's Memorandum. Now we have evidence being left laying around and photos being leaked. She removed them because they are incompetent. Three strikes your out. By removing them after the 3rd leak, she is removing the ability to appeal based on ineffective counsel. She has zero confidence they are acting in RA's best interests. So again I ask on what grounds should she be stripped of her right to practice law? What crime did she commit,? She's protecting the integrity of the case.
(Through jail phone calls). The defense said he confessed bc he was being bullied by other inmates 🤔 They also have him saying he was on the trail that same day and one of the bullets found at the scene is a match to one of his guns..
It’s clear the judge and prosecutor “aren’t ready”. Didn’t want to have the Franks hearing, didn’t want to have to turn over the rest of discovery AS ordered (by Nov 1). So many strange coincidences in this matter, all in the prosecution’s favor. Hmmmm ….
@@charsiu_808 I agree completely, but until they figure this mess out those are only words. Even if he is let out and his name cleared in the worlds eyes, he is going to be so traumatized. If he did it, I don’t care if he is traumatized. If he didn’t, omg.
Have you ever listened to their show? They're not only in-depth and well-educated on all aspects of the case, but also have respect for the victims and their families. Not to mention, Delphi is only one of dozens of cases they've investigated.
The murder sheet aka the Kings of leaks in this case would have this opinion. They need to be investigated. They are a source of what's wrong in this case!
This case is horrible enough for the general public to hear, read & see. One can only imagine how the families of these 2 innocent, young murder victims are feeling. This is their actual lives! Godspeed dear families. Rest in peace Abby & Libby.🥀🥀💔😔🌖🕊️
Love how the old white guy in the second segment tell us we have to ignore the defenses theories and focus on the facts as if anything the state says is the 100% truth at all times. What a joke
I agree, that old white guy is a joke and his analysis of a lot of cases is totally warped. He has written books, but to me those books are crap because his theories are crap.
I am not an expert; however, if this leaking was the straw that broke the camel's back, why didn't the judge mention the other instances during the behind -closed -doors meeting? This has caused the public to loose faith in the judge. If she was going to do something as strong as remove the two defense attorneys, it seems reasonable that there would be some kind of hearing where parties would put forth evidence. Then the public would know just what kind of lies the defense has told or exactly what the defense has kept from the judge. What about a right to a speedy trial? Did the defendant waive that right? Now the defendant has to wait another year in jail before his trial.
That's why there is a court for the trial. Where evidence and testimony are presented, cross examined, and rebuttals given. The defense has every right to question the evidence, present even offer alternative theorys. In court. Trying the case in the media, court of public opinion isn't part of it. Speculation rich theory of the crime ; the ritual odin angle was pursued by investigstors , 3 investigstors pursued it they make the point of; at the same exact time other investigators were pursuing the Logan angle, executing a couple of search warrants, how many detectives were pursuing that angle? Did they give up on it too soon , also? KK, DN, and a litany of other angles were pursued . There were +60k tips , so figure many things were look into, plenty of angles they "gave up' on. Also, Aren't salacious conspiracy theories _mode de jour_ ? Under every rock, behind every tree, the greatest threat to domestic tranquility - *_ white supreme pizzas !!_*
“C theories” is usually code word for truth more often than not. The courts themselves charge people with conspiracy all the time, which is somewhat exclusive to the US in general.
@@БлагонамеренныйГражданинanother person familiar with working undercover police investigations pointed out Kevin walks around with his hands in his pockets. 😮 Funny how everytime someone "wants" something leaked (wink) ... it seems to always get sent to Kevin and this lady FIRST. 😅 Coincidence? Initially, they accidently saw/found the A_Shots profile and KK documents first and ... rushed to Leak to the public. ISP had to hurry up and come out with a statement late at night to beat them to the punch line. Next, these 2 were first to receive the leaked crime scene photos from their source and friend. And, somehow amazingly knew ahead of time "not to" accidently leak ... when all others would and did. (As if it were "new" or "secret" information. Not really. The town has known for 7 years and openly talked about it online. No one payed attention. We should have. Turns out ... All true. And, Robert Ives tried. And, well we know what happened there. Ives had morals, honesty and integrity ... so they ousted him from the case as a prosecutor.) When that has failed again ... Defense is ousted for the exact same. No shame ... Ridiculous ... Yeah, because hiding crimes is always helpful. Sigh
Was there even a leak?😂 99% of the time when something gets leaked it spreads like a fn forest fire to everyone (especially a case of this magnitude) Either there lying or this situation is in that 1%
@@AStraya23 Bet if it was the prosecution (who by the way have already leaked this stuff) they wouldn't be dismissed. Not Gulls Facebook mate who she comments nice things on his photos.
I am so thankful for that woman explaining that it's a white supremacy gang in jail. The races thing has been all over American jails/prison's for as long as I remember. I also appreciate what Mike King has to say about the defences angle.
It absolutely is. A guy I work with used to work in the DOC of SCI Phoenix near Philly and when I was telling him about this Odinist thing last month he knew exactly what I was referring to. White power guards and also inmates. They run the prisons even more than any black gangs.
That’s not exactly a secret by any means. The only people that shocks are people that act like prisons & criminals don’t exist until they’re knocking on their own door.
Even if R.A. is guilty, (which I don't believe he is) this case has mistrial written ALL over it,how the judicial system has handled this case.Amateur hour at its finest!!!
I’d love to know if RA knew anything about the Tarot, as Abby was posed as the Hangman (which is based upon Norse mythology) and Libby was posed as the Magician, while the precise placing of branches symbolise Norse runes. No blood on either bodies, or their clothes. Quite spectacular detail for one guy’s first murders, who just happened to find two girls on a bridge and ‘opportunistically’ did all that. Do the police and prosecutors really think people are that dumb and gullible to believe that such a meticulous and staged crime scene was a first kill? And an opportunistic one at that!? Even serial killers are not that meticulous on a first kill, it takes a few kills to be that organised. Anyone who believes the state’s case, and not asking questions is smoking hocus.
The state hasn't made their case yet, so nobody should have decided anything. Everything you said is speculation based on the limited information that has been released. We haven't seen the crime scene yet so how do you know it was meticulous and staged? Just because the defense says so? The prosecution says it wasn't so we can't know until BOTH side put their entire case forward🤷♂️
I don't get into conspiracy theories. At all. Like I believe Bryan Khoberger is guilty. No one is setting him up with a planted sheath, but Allen claims 2 COs forced him to confess to his wife and those COs wear Odinism patches. Did Allen see those patches and come up with the Odinism sacrifice story? Is there actually something to it? I don't know what to think . And I don't feel comfortable on the conspiracy side of the fence.
@@bethnorrod5942 I get what you're saying Beth, I believe I do anyway. My skepticism turns on when anything gets labelled a "conspiracy theory" to begin with. What I try to do is maintain an open mind, but not so wide open that the reported (ideally corroborated) facts fall out of it. At the end of the day, for anything we don't experience or witness ourselves, we're at the mercy of reports from other sources-- and it's only getting harder to discern who to trust and what to believe. The best you can do is be honest with yourself and what you say.
Many people have stated that MRC is a true crime con man of RUclipsrs and he sought Murder Sheet out bc they were covering it, and he offered the photos for a price and they paid. Ask them if they paid for the photos. They'll say no but ask anyway for all of us out here who see a problem. I wish media would stop with these MS people who have injected themselves into this case to monetize this tragedy for themselves.
It took them 5 years to solve this case??? Vinnie I'm going with you miss spoke. Because you can't think just because someone is arrested they are automatically guilty.
@@hfrt29 Yes but don't go assuming all of his audience does. There has been to much misinformation in this case so every detail must be correct. You know how people are.
I have been following this case from Britain where I am a retired Solicitor (Lawyer) & Senior Crown Prosecutor. Media coverage of criminal proceedings are strictly controlled here from the time a defendant is charged until the start of the trial where only the defendants name & the charges can be broadcast. The idea that RUclipsr channels, Internet Podcasts or a TV Channel like this could regularly discuss evidence as it is served pre trial with lawyers/Law Lecturers/retired police officers called to give their opinion is certainly not allowed. Once the trial has started the media can broadcast what witnesses have said or what evidence was introduced (subject to the Judge imposing reporting restrictions). The first time the public find out the facts of the case is at the trial so as to ensure potential Jury members are not "tainted" by misrepresented facts or the opinions of ill informed/partisan commentators with an agenda to pursue.
Could the murderer have known abt Odinists in town and place the victims on purpose like that to deflect and hint towards them. Why is this never discussed as a possibility?
The fact you keep giving the murder sheet press time makes me think you have no idea of this case, they don’t know no more than anyone else watching this case….. they are junk journalism….
I also live in indana and my children were the same age as when these girls were murdered, so I was watching from day one… pls excuse me , but I’m over the murder sheet..
i am in indiana. born and raised. this case, like most counties in this state dont care about who did it, they care about a conviction. and its not the integrity of the case. its the chance that the hicks here, even more so possible jurors, will start thinking that maybe our system is corrupt and maybe the police didnt have a clue. smh. the people here are ignorant. they truly believe that if it is said by a cop, a judge, or a prosecution then its as good as Gods word. cause theyre the good guys! 😂 this judge. she should be disbarred. she has one f ing job. to protect the defendents rights. if no other reason than to prevent a mistrial and not have your decision overturned! what she has done regarding this mans counsel is wrong. she isnt even trying to be sneaky in secret. cameras allowed in one time only. the one time when she has something to say that has some unspoken threat to these men that have been defending this client. Dont come to Indiana. even a law abiding citizen can end up owing their life to this state. indiana will not change, will not compromise, and will not grow. if stunted in any area oppose to some states that have found different avenues for revenue, jobs for their people, lower crime, or even keep the overcrowding out of the jails and prisons, indiana will not do it. not enough people here even know their rights to care about them so our representatives have nothing to worry about. the people electing them will keep doing it because of the church they go to or how she looks in a skirt. f ing sad.
@rachel4435 from one hoosier to another. You are so right about Indiana. I got outta there in my early twenties. I wouldn't go back to live there for nothing. I visit very briefly, and not often.
and on the flip side, people have gotten away with or minimal sentances for murder. maybe its where you live in Indiana and not the whole of Indiana? our justice system has many flaws in every state because it's run by humans and we all know humans are flawed.
I was born & raised in Indiana and have lived here my entire life. I don't live near delphi though. I live 90 miles away from it. I will not put a judgemental blanket statement over the people of Delphi, or the entire state of Indiana, and falsely assume, and or, say that the entire state and everyone in it are a certain way. From what I have heard, many Hoosiers say that they want the truth to come out and for the real killer(s) to be found and locked away no matter if that be RA or not. If he is found to be innocent, then he needs to be free. There will always be the good and bad people everywhere we go. And there will always be the good and bad things about each location a person lives in, but to proclaim that everyone in any particular location is a bunch of hicks and going to think or act in only one particular way, is rather closed minded and being just like the accusation of the one's being spoke of. I have issues with this state too but I also see the values of it and I don't judge everyone to be the same.
That “judge” brings disrepute over the entire court system in Indiana, where PLENTY of injustice happens. As for Carroll county “law enforcement”, I have nothing nice to say. Plenty of lawsuits against them; if you don’t even have to commit a crime or be sent to prison to be worked over by the good old boys, no surprise bad things happen there … and they do. Higher than average homicide rate, to be sure.
I supported and listened to the Murder Sheet for all of their Delphi coverage....up until this big "leak by the defense". I had already been having a few issues with how MS chose to cover the case post Richard Allen trial. They have gotten "sucked into the vortex of this...."unusual case" as THE GREAT, BRILLIANT BOB MATTA would say! They have become 100% biased. I feel like i just watched the mascots trying to go to bat for their team. Also- even just a couple months ago, the MS made a point to clarify that what they had said previously- after the search of the river near the Klines house and recovered evidence- the MS specifically said something to the effect of- that search lead LE to a fruitful lead in the Delphi case....and what da ya know....RA arressted shortly after!! So, for them to bs about this leak and how it was 100% from Mitch, or everythings Kosher in Carroll County abd the KLINE-RIVER SEARCH was a "completely separate investigation than delphi" yada yada, is just BS! Get outta here! GET MATTA BACK ON AND ROZZI & ANDY ON!!!
It’s been an odd case from the beginning. Law enforcement was convinced the killer was local, and in such a small town, there are not an astronomical number of men matching bridge guy’s race, short height and apparent age. I wonder if police thought he was the killer early on, but it took something really concrete to finally get a search warrant. And in the interim 5-6 years, many suspects came and went. Then the Keegan Kline episode. It’s all weird.
There’s multiple descriptions and eye witness sketches. One looked somewhat like a young Justin Timberlake almost, means at least 2 different men. Plus all the tips, etc.
Well he described himself as wearing those same clothes, and he was there at the time, and did the guy in the video of killer. It's not rocket science to me.
@@mariatorres9789actually taking the short view like you do is what cops and courts always like to do because it keeps the business flowing and makes less work for them. Justice is a joke and never given by the legal system or cops.
Can you recommend a good RUclips channel that has a video detailing this case from the beginning until now? I'm basically just finding ones from the first few years and then a bunch of updates about suspects and leaked evidence & a bad judge. It's all over the place & has me confused. I just want a video or a playlist that's in order that shows the facts
@KHay-vy8ne While that definitely COULD mean more than 1 killer, it doesn't mean it's absolute. Just look at the thousands of other suspect sketches in crimes where it turned out the guilty party looked nothing like the sketches. Eye-witness testimony is the least reliable form of testimony for multiple reasons, such as the human brains' tendency to not remember events exactly as they exactly happened, the difficulty for the average person to describe in detail what a another person's face looks like, the sketch artists ability & the way they interpret certain details, etc. For instance, if I had to sit down and describe to someone what my wife's face looks like while they try to draw it, I would would have the picture of her in my head, but it's not that easy to accurately describe someone well enough that a different person could accurately draw or even recognize them if they happened to see them on the street. It happens all the time. Take books, for instance. The author may describe in great detail what a character looks like, yet 10,000 people have 10,000 different pictures in their heads.
Hey y’all! There is another case going on in my litle hometown of Rushville Indiana. A 17 year old girl, Valerie Tindall went missing in June and they found her body yesterday while searching Patrick Scott’s property again. Idk much but my entire family still lives in Rushville and I have a few RPD in my family and I went to school with the others. They keep me updated! I don’t think this case is connected to Delphi but at this point I’m not doubting anything anymore! Murder doesn’t happen in Rushville Indiana. Well, not that I can ever remember. Such a small town and we all know each other. This is bizarre! I’d be interested to see if there is a connection though!
interesting comment considering one of the guests saying nothing else has happened in the area to support the theory. Well, it does not have to happen next door does it ?
Why are the prison guards who are watching Allen wearing IN ODEN WE TRUST ? I find that very disturbing....This is going to blow up big time...one big cover up if you ask me...
Yay Vinnie blue eyes is back! Defense Diaries is fantastic!! Bob is the best if the best!! I hope Delphi can one day get sorted out, and Justice is finally served
You forgot one important factor in your analysis on the why's concerning the holding back of important information, and that's "CORRUPTION" a word you seemly skim past on any occasion possible i might add.. also, sadly considering the company you keep and display on your show it's easy to see why the words corruption escape your attention replaced with the ugly endeavours of the untrustworthy MS.
Surely the parents have been informed of the whole story. If not and they are still investigating, as a mom, I'd be camping out at their front door...wherever the investigators work from. This is just ridiculous or someone really messed up this investigation.
It's both. It's ridiculous and the cops also messed up like usual. Things like this make ya wonder how many actual solves cases might be BS too and the cops just went with the fastest easiest explanation that fit.
The host says, at least TWICE, that the images have been leaked online. He even says it once after someone else specifically says the leak of the images was limited.
@@user-nh5ew9ck4z And you're claiming that the images were leaked online? Regardless, the host said they were leaked online because of the recent defense issue.
Can I just say that I love court TV and Vinnie but I KNOW everything about this case! I swear of I have to watch this opening one. More. Time. I’m gonna lose it lol
People don't get that part about odinism. It's a prison gang. Bs aside, the men in Frank's motion documents, PW, BH, EF are very suspect in this case and The Flora case. 👀
Except that there's video from the girls recording their killer, & it's one person, and looks like Richard Allen, & he describes his own clothes as looking like that.
No he doesn’t. Dulin gives information from interview he didn’t record. Interview he didn’t even remember doing. Fact is experts say cs has odinists rituals is a given with 4 worshippers with string hard evidence found within first few months ignored. One just being a confession with name and details of the crime scene and man admitted that he spit on one of the girls. This was discovered by LE then buried by Delphi LE. Why? To then arrest a guy who witnesses and himself state was on the trial earlier in day. They have no dna or even forensic data to prove his guilt. The video and voice has been tipped into be thousands of different men. Not once RA who is much shorter and didn’t change or get rid of one thing in 5 years. Until LE can explain why they ignored a detail confession from an odinist and false alibis for his friends and pictures of cs details on their fB with means, motive, and opportunity when RA has none then there will never be any Justice. I can’t believe any of the family members would be okay with more innocent lives ruined while monsters roam free. It’ll happen again and just like now the corrupt will never face any consequences. Even when they are caught lying outright, the legal/Justice system protects the criminals -as long as they are in charge.
This is such an odd case a guy in his 40s suddenly gets a taste for murder . I am extremely curious about his past . This case should not have taken 5 yrs to solve the evidence was there all along .
If Richard Allen is indeed innocent, then he has been treated terribly....As well as this he's in prison, not jail, even though he's not actually been convicted of the crime. The more I hear about this case (it's new to me) the more it sounds like a deeply corrupt investigation. In addition, it seems that he's up against certain guards who it appears are Odinists. If Richard Allen is innocent, those who have conspired against him should be brought to justice.
I am starting to wonder if he is innocent. I swore Chase Merrit was guilty until I watched the trail unfold and now he sits on death row and I am not sure he is guilty.
Those photos have been available to podcasters since BEFORE this defense was brought on. One guy got caught but this was leaked by LAW ENFORCEMENT! This judge is so full of herself!
Court TV please stop including Murder Sheet. They lack credibility and integrity. Let alone faces for TV. They really downgrade Court TV. It’s time to move on to guests who can contribute to thought-provoking, intelligent conversation.
I’m ex military and first responder. I never heard of odinism until this year and this release of the document from the defense attorneys. It’s not a military thing and it’s not the same as putting our faith in God while we go out and do our jobs. Those 2500 members of the church are only .000031% of the world’s population. And seeing as they’re world wide it can be assumed that people will confuse the facts and terms and make up their own chapters and rules along the way. Just sayin
When you ask who benefited from this leak? The answer is clear the Judge and prosecutor. I ask why was the prosecutor working night and day on the leak when there hadn't even been an arrest, he should have been preparing for trial and pushing for funding to pay someone to help him. That really confuses me, the murders took years for an arrest, why hadn't funding been in the budget every year?
“One of them [the killers] is no longer with us.” Could he be talking about Ron Logan, the guy who owned the property the girls were found on? Or the guy who killed himself after the photos leaked. I wish he’d just say the “bombshell” info- there’s no telling what could happen between now and when that information comes out.
I don't know how anyone could believe a word that guy says the way he's constantly bragging and treating a trial with two literal dead children like his own spectacle sporting event. His "bombshells" are all sensationalist and irresponsible speculation that comes from his 'super special sources.'
24:37 This series of "Person A-D" is what the public and law enforcement should be focused on. Law enforcement either can't see what is so obvious (they are malignantly stupid) OR are protecting their own. Disgusting.
I’d truly love to know whether the prosecutor would be kicked off the case if someone walked into a conference room, saw the pictures and took photos of them. NO THEY WOULD NOT. They would argue the prosecutor had no knowledge and it was done behind their back.
If the prosecution OR defense doesn't have the mindset, security protocols, awareness, and knowledge to NEVER leave any info for ANY case laying around/not secure, especially one this big, then YES, they should get booted. This also isn't the first time the defense did something unprofessional. What else are they being reckless with, or letting lay around? Stuff like that, if found out during or after the trial could cause a mistrial or an appeal to be granted. ANY lawyer should know better, no excuse.
Well considering Judge Gull and the prosecutor are so far up each others 🍑 I'd say your correct on that one. She's even a friend on Facebook who leave lovely comments on his photos. How lovely that they are so close.
The thing is, it’s not JUST the leak they’re being disqualified for. The judge has multiple reasons. If there was just one mistake leak, Baldwin and Rozzi would still be standing.
Hell, there's a tattoo shop in Delphi called Oden's Den, and there is one in Marion Indiana just around 40 miles away. I was born in central Indiana and it wouldn't surprise me if the whole state is loaded with Odinites and other groups like them
The police federation is the most free masonic Organisation in the world, and their god is exactly the same as Odins god, aka the light bearer lucifer.
I hope I'm wrong , however there is no way this guy did this ,no motive,no reason,just a fall guy for a failed duty by all that are involved,the case is going to end up being tossed due to all the mistakes that have been made.
This is crazy. And I feel a lot of ppl are involved. Why would the judge act in such a manor I know I’m not that knowledgeable on the legal system but even my untrained even ignorant to law system can tell somethings don’t add up and too much dodging and weaving hush hush type bull S! Is going on
00:00 IN V. RICHARD ALLEN
23:35 WHERE ARE ALL THE ODINISTS?
37:20 REVISIT THE SCENE
Catch up on the FACTS here: www.courttv.com/tag/richard-allen/?
I have listened to all the Court TV episodes in this case. I agree with the fair coverage of the case.
My thoughts 🤔.... because one of the girls took a chance and pushed "record" IMO they might have also tried to fight, if only one man. Sounds like more involved to me.. Didn't I hear some prison guards are sporting Odinist badges on their uniforms?? 🤔
You did! that Judge needs to recuse herself, as she has gone above and beyond to unfairly and legally mess over Allen’s right to a fair trial. Only her recusal and reinstatement of his defense team will suffice.
Court TV needs to stop having these two shady podcasters on 🙄 I can not fathom why you keep these two troublesome podcasters on. They've interfered on this case and should NOT be trusted. Once I see their faces, thumbs down and immediately stop watching. Do better court TV. Hope y'all start losing subs.
@@barrettlori9249😮
Delphi showing the world how corrupt small town officials can be. If those crime scene depictions were real how horrendous. Those poor girls suffered so much and I cannot imagine, as a mother. Anotherc larger jurisdiction should have taken this case.
Sometimes it's corruption in small towns and in big towns and the problem really is who's running the sheriff department and also the prosecution is huge whoever they've hired to be the DA and a county can make or break things as well.
Petrifying what they had to go through.o e had to watch the other one die.i believe that's why poor baby girl had splashes of blood on her. I think they came from a friend. You just wish you were there to protect them
WHO IS STEVE? BECKT P.SYARED LIBBY WENT TO MEET STEVE
I HAVE ASKED EVERY U TUBER WHO I SUBSCRIBE TO " WHO IS STEVE" THE LAST KNOWNKNOWN PERSON TO SEE LIBBY BUR KNOW ONE CARES? I CALL B.S.
Becky patty, what's Steve's last name?
That judge is a biased liar imo. She tells the court that the attorneys have decided to withdraw without mentioning that she ambushed them and gave them little choice. She needs to go!
She found out the two defense lawyers had someone in their office leak evidence.
I totally agree.
No kidding. This is very well known and obvious by now, not a new ground breaking theory on your behalf. It’s a shame!
Yeah, i bet the J😮dge didnt swear on a bible.
She should be disbarred no room for corrupt judges
Case has been nothing but a mess from the very beginning. There's no telling what's really going on.
Even if there’s not serious corruption involved it very much looks like that. What a mess, bungled and botched from the very beginning.
@@KHay-vy8nelook at what they did to Jesse Snider in Carroll County Indiana. Dan Dulin, the man Richard Allen spoke to back in 2017 is involved in that case as well.
Something is not right
Looks like the judicial system is protecting a HUGE coo 👀 Louisiana has had a bunch of corrupt cops/murderers that they've protected because of inner exposure.(Most being parishes) 🤔
@@KHay-vy8ne
Exactly!! Two girls murdered in a small community. Everyone knows everyone’s business. Law enforcement can’t figure out what happened? Law enforcement didn’t gather the STICKS and/or the tree BRANCHES placed on and around the girls!! What incompetence and that is just one example.
Please stop having the Murder Sheet podcast couple on your show! They are extremely biased and don’t even have all of the facts. For example, claiming that there have never been leaks by the prosecution when that is categorically false. There were leaks long before RA even had attorneys. smdh.
WHY DO THEY KEEP REPEATING THE SAME ENTRANCE EVERY TIME ???
Just get on with what’s going on.
Title says "New arrest" but it's now 6min in and no hint of a new arrest, and the exact same intro talking points over and over and.....
For those who are following this case for the first time, I guess.
Exactly why I rarely click on these videos. They have been click bait for 2-3 years concerning this case, besides the main big updates, that you can get from many other outlets on YT.
I know, I got annoyed and turned it off after 7min. It’s like he just wants to drag out it and fill space
My heart breaks for the two young girls families. They do not deserve to be going through this horrible fiasco. It's like picking scabs off of a wound over and over again. I cannot imagine the therapy that these families will need IF this whole horrific ordeal is ever finalized. RIP beautiful Libby and Abby.
I wholeheartedly agree.
I lost my son in 2021 and there's been several ongoing murder investigations. Very stressful. It's as you say keeps on and on your mind and body is never at rest.
I'm truly sorry you lost your son in such a horrific way. We lost our 36 y.o. son to suicide. It's the worst pain one will ever have to try and endure. Sending you our heartfelt thoughts and prayers you get justice
Aside from the tragedy for the girls and their families, if Richard Allen is indeed innocent, then he has been treated terribly....As well as this he's in prison, not jail, even though he's not actually been convicted of the crime. The more I hear about this case (it's new to me) the more it sounds like a deeply corrupt investigation. In addition, it seems that he's up against certain guards who it appears are Odinists. If Richard Allen is innocent, those who have conspired against him should be brought to justice, as well as the real perpetrators of this disgusting crime.
@@Gina19876 I just wanted to say, my heart goes out to you. I have three kids, and injustice can’t imagine the pain, anger, desperation and frustration. I hope you find peace and your son and family get justice.
Please stop using the hosts from the Murder Sheet podcast. They provide nothing of relevancy and are so biased. Idc if he is an independent attorney. He either doesn’t care or is just completely ignorant to the law. The pictures were leaked to them. Maybe they should be looked into more.
Can’t convince me they didn’t pay for those pix.
100%! It's so obvious they are bias. I am disheartened that Vinnie keeps putting them on the show. Clout chasers, IMO.
Agree. In fact, MS just admitted that the DA has leaked evidence to them. It wasn’t “protected “ but clearly the DA is using them to get info out there that would be a 3.6 violation if he were to personally leak the info to the public.
The Murder Sheet podcast has some of the most in-depth coverage of this case. They're the closest thing to experts on the Delphi investigation, as far as Journalists go. If you had actually listened to any of their shows or paid any attention to the work they've done, you would actually understand that they have a lot of integrity. And also, how many lawyers do you know of who could care less if their hair sticks out like Einstein's?
No they are not. Attorneys who actually practice criminal law in Indiana are the experts. Aine covered news stories about places like Walmart-she has no idea what she is talking about re: these briefs or recent events. Kevin is an intellectual property attorney. Big difference between that area of law and criminal law. They have absolutely no idea how to analyze these recent briefs to the ISC. And they clearly aren't even trying that hard. They could do some actual legal research before speaking.They have been wrong about just about everything, they have put forward, including what the legal issues actually are re: any claim of a leak of protected discovery. And they will do anything for a click. Including attempting to disparage the reputations of those who actually do have expertise in this area of law. I feel that Greenlee needs to be held on an ethics charge. He is giving bad legal advice and needs to be stopped.@@NickCharles-v2p
I never trust someone who's more worried about how they're being seen or how being first or "important" is their focus rather than being focused and concerned with the facts and the victim(s) of a case.
Quit having Murder Sheet on your show!
Why
@@tanyam.2982Because they are corrupt media. Leaked stuff themselves. Anti amendment rights.
@@tanyam.2982 because they are liers working with the Prosecutors. When they got the pics they contacted McLeland but never the defense. They're liars!!!
YES PLEASE
They are on top of this case and I trust them 100%. On the other hand, Bob says the same old tired lines defense attorneys inevitably say.
I can't Stay and watch the rest of the show, because the Murder Sheet is being interviewed. They have hurt so many people and literally left a lot of carnage in their rear view mirror. I no longer watch or support the Murder Sheet at all. They are self saving attention seeking a holes imo!
I never heard of murder sheet until now.
I can’t stand the murder sheet please stop having them on. They are the whole reason this happened. Literally they are the only ones who supposedly received these photos and they made a HUGE deal out of it. Also they are WRONG about the investigators/prosecutors never having leaked photos in the past. There’s videos on court tv which people have claimed they had photos months ago… the murder sheet annoys me so much. It’s like they are working with the prosecution to get the defense team off
They are very smug! Bob called them out effectively on "the straw that broke the camel's back." How the heck do they know what Judge Gull is thinking or feeling? There are protocols to follow to ensure that Richard Allen gets a fair and impartial treatment from the court.
Agreed! Good on Bob for calling them out lol😂
They're certainly propaganda mouth pieces it feels like, that so-called leak proved very beneficial for one side only in removing what was clearly effective counsel.
Word!
Agree. They aren’t objective and clearly hungry for attention. Just because the prosecution didn’t leak something to them doesn’t mean it wasn’t leaked. They’re small potatoes in the true crime workd and not the first, second or twentieth place someone leaking information would be inclined to go. Bob on the other hand knows the case and knows his stuff. I’d like to hear him speak more.
Why on earth do we need the opinions of podcasters!!!! For the life of me I don’t understand why these ppl keep getting invited to programs!!!
Cuz they cracked this case, maybe?
@@barbaracollins5605 No! I don’t think so! 😡
Someone needs a chill pill. JK. wish you the best. (:
Sometimes they do more research on a case than any expert or news organization unfortunately. Idk about these specific podcasters but that’s sometimes the reason podcasters are featured or interviewed in the news or in documentaries for other cases.
I wish it was a freezing cold day that day and the girls never went there
Justice for Abby and Libby 👍
If wishes were fishes, we'd be swimming in riches.
If wishes were horses...
Poor men would ride!!
Why does everything in this case suggest hidden corruption in the local gvt, police, and now courtroom? They are being waaay too secretive. The leaked photos dont justify throwing out the defense. This would be public knowledge already in many other places. I dont see how this jeopardizes a conviction.
Because small minded people like you always act like everything is a conspiracy; when it reality it’s an investigation. If information gets out, it could compromise their investigation, suspects could go on the run, making it much harder. Use your brain and shut up.
It’s the judge
@@4evagrace789 Agree
The fact that they failed to investigate this murder 5 years ago, judge banning the Odinism defense, and a cop who investigated that was "Unalived"? I certainly hope and pray after these court proceeding it gets appealed to a higher court for prejudism and corruption! This judicial corruption in this Country is out of control and has got to stop! Not following our Constitutional Laws should be ground for Treason and should be punished as such‼️✝️👑🙏🇺🇸
Corrupt. Ridiculous. Not to mention incompetent, deralict police.
Can the guy on the Murder Sheet look less homeless for national tv?
😂
Wow! That’s not very nice!
Have him comb his hair for God's sake.
The camera in the court on that and only that hearing makes me very suspicious of her bias.
Funny how the only times allows cameras was on this day. She set them up, no doubt.
@@leaweston7969absolutely!!
I am so sick of the Murder Sheet podcasters and their obviously biased “reporting”. Thank you to Court TV for having Bob, an actual defense attorney on to give a balanced view. Something rotten is going on in Indiana and that judge is as rotten as they come.
They have to stay on the side of LE, otherwise they get no more information (leaks) and their Out of business.
@@ingowolf4205 You’re totally right. I bet they’re thrilled that this trial was pushed out for almost another year. So much more time to appear on tv and publish podcast episodes. 🙄
Yes! They smiled and nodded their head anytime it was against the previous defense attorneys. Yuk
I agree.
They have been tampering with this trial since the beginning. If I had to guess what an “Odinist” couple would look like, it would be these two of the MURDER SHILLS. They are disgusting 🤮. Look how much interference they have been running against the defense ever since the Odinist cult was discovered nationally!
Judge needs to be disbarred
On What Grounds? On What CRIMINAL OFFENSE, LAW has she broken to be stripped of her law license and appointment as a judge? Because she released the defense team because they were LEAKING INFORMATION critical to the case. Now let's add those leaked photos that show a 14-year-old naked nearly decapitated. Seriously you'd be okay if it was someone you know? Would you be okay knowing that evidence has been closely guarded to preserve the integrity of the case to get the person accused off?
She has broken no law. They were censured when they gave a flash drive filled with evidence to a client Brandon. They were censured again when released Information not available to the public in the Frank's Memorandum. Now we have evidence being left laying around and photos being leaked. She removed them because they are incompetent. Three strikes your out. By removing them after the 3rd leak, she is removing the ability to appeal based on ineffective counsel. She has zero confidence they are acting in RA's best interests. So again I ask on what grounds should she be stripped of her right to practice law? What crime did she commit,? She's protecting the integrity of the case.
@@elizabethpalmer5111honestly 💯
@@elizabethpalmer5111 Agree 👍 Defense leaked the photos to support their Odinists theory & should have been disbarred & kicked off the case.
I'm telling you. I don't think this guy Richard did it.
So you support a double child killer?
Didn’t he tell his wife multiple times he killed them though? And his mom
(Through jail phone calls). The defense said he confessed bc he was being bullied by other inmates 🤔 They also have him saying he was on the trail that same day and one of the bullets found at the scene is a match to one of his guns..
He admitted it on the phone. Riddle me that Batman
@@chickengenius4202 yeah, bc there have never been false confessions before
It’s clear the judge and prosecutor “aren’t ready”. Didn’t want to have the Franks hearing, didn’t want to have to turn over the rest of discovery AS ordered (by Nov 1). So many strange coincidences in this matter, all in the prosecution’s favor. Hmmmm ….
There are no coincidences.
Everything about this case is heartbreaking. Those poor girls and their families! And if Richard Allen is innocent, that is also heartbreaking.
He is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN guilty in a court of law
@@charsiu_808 I agree completely, but until they figure this mess out those are only words. Even if he is let out and his name cleared in the worlds eyes, he is going to be so traumatized.
If he did it, I don’t care if he is traumatized. If he didn’t, omg.
@@lyndseyjacobson2424 *world's
@@stfuplsok haha thank you for the correction.
@@charsiu_808Words don't have meanings to you, boys can be girls? Dummies so don't understand innocent til proven.
Once you brought the murder sheet podcast on, I was done. Something is not right with them...
Yes!
Have you ever listened to their show? They're not only in-depth and well-educated on all aspects of the case, but also have respect for the victims and their families. Not to mention, Delphi is only one of dozens of cases they've investigated.
@@NickCharles-v2p I have. That is my opinion from listening to them
@@NickCharles-v2p98% of the comment section disagree lol
why whats wrong with them?
Attention Court Tv: Please stop having The Murder Sheet on your show to speak about this case!! They are snakes!!! Can you not see that??
The murder sheet aka the Kings of leaks in this case would have this opinion. They need to be investigated. They are a source of what's wrong in this case!
Those photos and images should never have been leaked. Absolutely heartbreaking.
It's terrible, and 1000% inexcusable.
Ironically all of the photos involving JonBenet Ramsey are leaked and no one cared.
Agreed. It seems there’s more people out there to try and taint the small jury pool.
It was leaked much earlier
I heard they are graphic and grousome 😢
This case is horrible enough for the general public to hear, read & see. One can only imagine how the families of these 2 innocent, young murder victims are feeling. This is their actual lives! Godspeed dear families. Rest in peace Abby & Libby.🥀🥀💔😔🌖🕊️
The families know what is going on. Nosey people can wait for the book…
It's terrible for the families but I'm sure they want REAL justice for the girls not just any conviction!!
Love how the old white guy in the second segment tell us we have to ignore the defenses theories and focus on the facts as if anything the state says is the 100% truth at all times. What a joke
This shill Vinnie Does. Plus Echoes it to the rest of the Zombie on her Getting there info from
I agree, that old white guy is a joke and his analysis of a lot of cases is totally warped. He has written books, but to me those books are crap because his theories are crap.
Old cis white men are the worst They need to put a chic in this case and make her gay and lame
I am not an expert; however, if this leaking was the straw that broke the camel's back, why didn't the judge mention the other instances during the behind -closed -doors meeting? This has caused the public to loose faith in the judge. If she was going to do something as strong as remove the two defense attorneys, it seems reasonable that there would be some kind of hearing where parties would put forth evidence. Then the public would know just what kind of lies the defense has told or exactly what the defense has kept from the judge. What about a right to a speedy trial? Did the defendant waive that right? Now the defendant has to wait another year in jail before his trial.
Exactly
Go back and read it again. She did.
Chicosmummy no she didn’t. People are quick to defend judicial misfeasance, abuse of discretion and corruption in general.
That's why there is a court for the trial. Where evidence and testimony are presented, cross examined, and rebuttals given.
The defense has every right to question the evidence, present even offer alternative theorys. In court.
Trying the case in the media, court of public opinion isn't part of it. Speculation rich theory of the crime ; the ritual odin angle was pursued by investigstors , 3 investigstors pursued it they make the point of; at the same exact time other investigators were pursuing the Logan angle, executing a couple of search warrants, how many detectives were pursuing that angle? Did they give up on it too soon , also? KK, DN, and a litany of other angles were pursued . There were +60k tips , so figure many things were look into, plenty of angles they "gave up' on.
Also,
Aren't salacious conspiracy theories _mode de jour_ ?
Under every rock, behind every tree, the greatest threat to domestic tranquility -
*_ white supreme pizzas !!_*
“C theories” is usually code word for truth more often than not. The courts themselves charge people with conspiracy all the time, which is somewhat exclusive to the US in general.
Why do you keep having these podcasters on it’s so weird???
Look it's Kevin and Anya, Nick McClellan's cheerleaders. 😂
The guy on the bridge looks a lot like Doug Carter!Did the Indiana State Police check Doug Carter's alibi?
@@БлагонамеренныйГражданинanother person familiar with working undercover police investigations pointed out Kevin walks around with his hands in his pockets. 😮
Funny how everytime someone "wants" something leaked (wink) ... it seems to always get sent to Kevin and this lady FIRST. 😅
Coincidence?
Initially, they accidently saw/found the A_Shots profile and KK documents first and ... rushed to Leak to the public. ISP had to hurry up and come out with a statement late at night to beat them to the punch line.
Next, these 2 were first to receive the leaked crime scene photos from their source and friend. And, somehow amazingly knew ahead of time "not to" accidently leak ... when all others would and did.
(As if it were "new" or "secret" information. Not really. The town has known for 7 years and openly talked about it online. No one payed attention. We should have. Turns out ... All true. And, Robert Ives tried. And, well we know what happened there. Ives had morals, honesty and integrity ... so they ousted him from the case as a prosecutor.)
When that has failed again ... Defense is ousted for the exact same.
No shame ...
Ridiculous ...
Yeah, because hiding crimes is always helpful. Sigh
Disqualification is an excessive sanction for the leak
Agree.
Was there even a leak?😂 99% of the time when something gets leaked it spreads like a fn forest fire to everyone (especially a case of this magnitude)
Either there lying or this situation is in that 1%
No it's not
@@AStraya23 Bet if it was the prosecution (who by the way have already leaked this stuff) they wouldn't be dismissed. Not Gulls Facebook mate who she comments nice things on his photos.
@@PhD72 "Everyone *SHOULD* know to stay in their lane." But they apparently don't.
I pray the monsters who did this to these girls are held accountable
They won't be
Our lovely justice system won't allow this man to stay locked up for life.
He will be free and he will do it again.
The girls video speak louder than words!!!!!!
@@ms.c3yes
You mean Monster Richard Allen 🔪
Yes and the treatment of the Lawyers should be investigated also.
Vinnie is back thank you Jesus
Thank you for watching with us!
Vinnie❤ is the reason I watch court tv every day even on Sunday
I am so thankful for that woman explaining that it's a white supremacy gang in jail.
The races thing has been all over American jails/prison's for as long as I remember.
I also appreciate what Mike King has to say about the defences angle.
It absolutely is. A guy I work with used to work in the DOC of SCI Phoenix near Philly and when I was telling him about this Odinist thing last month he knew exactly what I was referring to. White power guards and also inmates. They run the prisons even more than any black gangs.
Just _tribal_ grouping - some 'black', some 'white'.
That’s not exactly a secret by any means. The only people that shocks are people that act like prisons & criminals don’t exist until they’re knocking on their own door.
Even if R.A. is guilty, (which I don't believe he is) this case has mistrial written ALL over it,how the judicial system has handled this case.Amateur hour at its finest!!!
I would say hie is guilty on the probable cause alone.
Libby s phone is very damaging to the defense.
I’d love to know if RA knew anything about the Tarot, as Abby was posed as the Hangman (which is based upon Norse mythology) and Libby was posed as the Magician, while the precise placing of branches symbolise Norse runes. No blood on either bodies, or their clothes. Quite spectacular detail for one guy’s first murders, who just happened to find two girls on a bridge and ‘opportunistically’ did all that. Do the police and prosecutors really think people are that dumb and gullible to believe that such a meticulous and staged crime scene was a first kill? And an opportunistic one at that!? Even serial killers are not that meticulous on a first kill, it takes a few kills to be that organised. Anyone who believes the state’s case, and not asking questions is smoking hocus.
This case makes me want to smoke hocus. The judge is repulsive.
@@shabbykat273😂😂
They just described the blood on the girl by the tree.
The state hasn't made their case yet, so nobody should have decided anything. Everything you said is speculation based on the limited information that has been released. We haven't seen the crime scene yet so how do you know it was meticulous and staged? Just because the defense says so? The prosecution says it wasn't so we can't know until BOTH side put their entire case forward🤷♂️
@@KR15INGthis!! Thank you!!
"Allen says he didn't do it" -- except when he told his wife (five times) that he did it.
I don't get into conspiracy theories. At all. Like I believe Bryan Khoberger is guilty. No one is setting him up with a planted sheath, but Allen claims 2 COs forced him to confess to his wife and those COs wear Odinism patches. Did Allen see those patches and come up with the Odinism sacrifice story? Is there actually something to it? I don't know what to think . And I don't feel comfortable on the conspiracy side of the fence.
@@bethnorrod5942 I get what you're saying Beth, I believe I do anyway. My skepticism turns on when anything gets labelled a "conspiracy theory" to begin with. What I try to do is maintain an open mind, but not so wide open that the reported (ideally corroborated) facts fall out of it. At the end of the day, for anything we don't experience or witness ourselves, we're at the mercy of reports from other sources-- and it's only getting harder to discern who to trust and what to believe. The best you can do is be honest with yourself and what you say.
Not only his wife. The governor of Westfield testified on June that he received 5 letters from him confessing to the crime.
@@chicosmummy Jesus, I don't recall having heard of five letters. I'll have to look that up, thank you.
While surrounded by Oden worshipper prison guards right behind him. 😂 I would have confessed too.
Many people have stated that MRC is a true crime con man of RUclipsrs and he sought Murder Sheet out bc they were covering it, and he offered the photos for a price and they paid. Ask them if they paid for the photos. They'll say no but ask anyway for all of us out here who see a problem. I wish media would stop with these MS people who have injected themselves into this case to monetize this tragedy for themselves.
Just the type of people you need wrapped around this case isn't it 😏
Everything about this case is a mess! So sad
A conservation officer had this information and turned it over to police.
They messed it up .
It took them 5 years to solve this case??? Vinnie I'm going with you miss spoke. Because you can't think just because someone is arrested they are automatically guilty.
I can’t recall ever reading of a Killer taking more than one kind of weapon to commit a crime?!…
The night stalker is one.
He knows that. This is the way Vinnie does things.all good👍
@@hfrt29 Yes but don't go assuming all of his audience does. There has been to much misinformation in this case so every detail must be correct. You know how people are.
@leaweston7969 He literally confessed to it tho.
He is looking very refreshed! He’s my favorite on court TV. I love how he questions things then answers it in a way.
I have been following this case from Britain where I am a retired Solicitor (Lawyer) & Senior Crown Prosecutor. Media coverage of criminal proceedings are strictly controlled here from the time a defendant is charged until the start of the trial where only the defendants name & the charges can be broadcast. The idea that RUclipsr channels, Internet Podcasts or a TV Channel like this could regularly discuss evidence as it is served pre trial with lawyers/Law Lecturers/retired police officers called to give their opinion is certainly not allowed. Once the trial has started the media can broadcast what witnesses have said or what evidence was introduced (subject to the Judge imposing reporting restrictions). The first time the public find out the facts of the case is at the trial so as to ensure potential Jury members are not "tainted" by misrepresented facts or the opinions of ill informed/partisan commentators with an agenda to pursue.
Could the murderer have known abt Odinists in town and place the victims on purpose like that to deflect and hint towards them. Why is this never discussed as a possibility?
I agree 👍
The fact you keep giving the murder sheet press time makes me think you have no idea of this case, they don’t know no more than anyone else watching this case….. they are junk journalism….
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I also live in indana and my children were the same age as when these girls were murdered, so I was watching from day one… pls excuse me , but I’m over the murder sheet..
Not again Murder Sheet 🙄
i am in indiana. born and raised. this case, like most counties in this state dont care about who did it, they care about a conviction. and its not the integrity of the case. its the chance that the hicks here, even more so possible jurors, will start thinking that maybe our system is corrupt and maybe the police didnt have a clue. smh. the people here are ignorant. they truly believe that if it is said by a cop, a judge, or a prosecution then its as good as Gods word. cause theyre the good guys! 😂
this judge. she should be disbarred. she has one f ing job. to protect the defendents rights. if no other reason than to prevent a mistrial and not have your decision overturned! what she has done regarding this mans counsel is wrong. she isnt even trying to be sneaky in secret. cameras allowed in one time only. the one time when she has something to say that has some unspoken threat to these men that have been defending this client.
Dont come to Indiana. even a law abiding citizen can end up owing their life to this state. indiana will not change, will not compromise, and will not grow. if stunted in any area oppose to some states that have found different avenues for revenue, jobs for their people, lower crime, or even keep the overcrowding out of the jails and prisons, indiana will not do it. not enough people here even know their rights to care about them so our representatives have nothing to worry about. the people electing them will keep doing it because of the church they go to or how she looks in a skirt. f ing sad.
@rachel4435 from one hoosier to another. You are so right about Indiana. I got outta there in my early twenties. I wouldn't go back to live there for nothing. I visit very briefly, and not often.
and on the flip side, people have gotten away with or minimal sentances for murder. maybe its where you live in Indiana and not the whole of Indiana? our justice system has many flaws in every state because it's run by humans and we all know humans are flawed.
@@ElleSmith2023and corrupt with power!
I was born & raised in Indiana and have lived here my entire life. I don't live near delphi though. I live 90 miles away from it.
I will not put a judgemental blanket statement over the people of Delphi, or the entire state of Indiana, and falsely assume, and or, say that the entire state and everyone in it are a certain way.
From what I have heard, many Hoosiers say that they want the truth to come out and for the real killer(s) to be found and locked away no matter if that be RA or not. If he is found to be innocent, then he needs to be free.
There will always be the good and bad people everywhere we go.
And there will always be the good and bad things about each location a person lives in, but to proclaim that everyone in any particular location is a bunch of hicks and going to think or act in only one particular way, is rather closed minded and being just like the accusation of the one's being spoke of.
I have issues with this state too but I also see the values of it and I don't judge everyone to be the same.
That “judge” brings disrepute over the entire court system in Indiana, where PLENTY of injustice happens. As for Carroll county “law enforcement”, I have nothing nice to say. Plenty of lawsuits against them; if you don’t even have to commit a crime or be sent to prison to be worked over by the good old boys, no surprise bad things happen there … and they do. Higher than average homicide rate, to be sure.
I keep getting the feeling that law enforcement really doesn't want this case solved. Something is very off.
This case isn’t solved at all. They must have a boatload more evidence to hold this guy cause what we know isn’t much.
They do -
Arm chair defense Attorney
@@audreykassem8010 Um going by what people have said I believe they actually don't have much at all.
I think you’re right about prosecutors having more evidence than the public is aware of that RA is the guy.
We are in possession of a fraction of the evidence. Why not wait for legal proceedings to play out before the sofa ninjas take over entirely?
I supported and listened to the Murder Sheet for all of their Delphi coverage....up until this big "leak by the defense". I had already been having a few issues with how MS chose to cover the case post Richard Allen trial. They have gotten "sucked into the vortex of this...."unusual case" as THE GREAT, BRILLIANT BOB MATTA would say! They have become 100% biased. I feel like i just watched the mascots trying to go to bat for their team.
Also- even just a couple months ago, the MS made a point to clarify that what they had said previously- after the search of the river near the Klines house and recovered evidence- the MS specifically said something to the effect of- that search lead LE to a fruitful lead in the Delphi case....and what da ya know....RA arressted shortly after!! So, for them to bs about this leak and how it was 100% from Mitch, or everythings Kosher in Carroll County abd the KLINE-RIVER SEARCH was a "completely separate investigation than delphi" yada yada, is just BS! Get outta here! GET MATTA BACK ON AND ROZZI & ANDY ON!!!
UGH! Vinnie, Please stop having the murder sheet podcast on your show.
It’s been an odd case from the beginning. Law enforcement was convinced the killer was local, and in such a small town, there are not an astronomical number of men matching bridge guy’s race, short height and apparent age. I wonder if police thought he was the killer early on, but it took something really concrete to finally get a search warrant. And in the interim 5-6 years, many suspects came and went. Then the Keegan Kline episode. It’s all weird.
There’s multiple descriptions and eye witness sketches. One looked somewhat like a young Justin Timberlake almost, means at least 2 different men. Plus all the tips, etc.
Well he described himself as wearing those same clothes, and he was there at the time, and did the guy in the video of killer. It's not rocket science to me.
@@mariatorres9789actually taking the short view like you do is what cops and courts always like to do because it keeps the business flowing and makes less work for them. Justice is a joke and never given by the legal system or cops.
Can you recommend a good RUclips channel that has a video detailing this case from the beginning until now? I'm basically just finding ones from the first few years and then a bunch of updates about suspects and leaked evidence & a bad judge. It's all over the place & has me confused. I just want a video or a playlist that's in order that shows the facts
@KHay-vy8ne While that definitely COULD mean more than 1 killer, it doesn't mean it's absolute. Just look at the thousands of other suspect sketches in crimes where it turned out the guilty party looked nothing like the sketches. Eye-witness testimony is the least reliable form of testimony for multiple reasons, such as the human brains' tendency to not remember events exactly as they exactly happened, the difficulty for the average person to describe in detail what a another person's face looks like, the sketch artists ability & the way they interpret certain details, etc. For instance, if I had to sit down and describe to someone what my wife's face looks like while they try to draw it, I would would have the picture of her in my head, but it's not that easy to accurately describe someone well enough that a different person could accurately draw or even recognize them if they happened to see them on the street. It happens all the time. Take books, for instance. The author may describe in great detail what a character looks like, yet 10,000 people have 10,000 different pictures in their heads.
Great show. Bob Modda, holla!! You made excellent points. Grateful for Chris Todd's insight.
Hey y’all! There is another case going on in my litle hometown of Rushville Indiana. A 17 year old girl, Valerie Tindall went missing in June and they found her body yesterday while searching Patrick Scott’s property again. Idk much but my entire family still lives in Rushville and I have a few RPD in my family and I went to school with the others. They keep me updated! I don’t think this case is connected to Delphi but at this point I’m not doubting anything anymore! Murder doesn’t happen in Rushville Indiana. Well, not that I can ever remember. Such a small town and we all know each other. This is bizarre! I’d be interested to see if there is a connection though!
I heard of this. VHS tapes burned along with the body. Very curious.
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interesting comment considering one of the guests saying nothing else has happened in the area to support the theory. Well, it does not have to happen next door does it ?
Why are the prison guards who are watching Allen wearing IN ODEN WE TRUST ? I find that very disturbing....This is going to blow up big time...one big cover up if you ask me...
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Yay Vinnie blue eyes is back! Defense Diaries is fantastic!! Bob is the best if the best!! I hope Delphi can one day get sorted out, and Justice is finally served
Thank you Bob Motta! I love listening to him. Murder Sheet- not so much. But thank you for including Bob.
You forgot one important factor in your analysis on the why's concerning the holding back of important information, and that's "CORRUPTION" a word you seemly skim past on any occasion possible i might add.. also, sadly considering the company you keep and display on your show it's easy to see why the words corruption escape your attention replaced with the ugly endeavours of the untrustworthy MS.
Surely the parents have been informed of the whole story. If not and they are still investigating, as a mom, I'd be camping out at their front door...wherever the investigators work from. This is just ridiculous or someone really messed up this investigation.
It's both. It's ridiculous and the cops also messed up like usual. Things like this make ya wonder how many actual solves cases might be BS too and the cops just went with the fastest easiest explanation that fit.
This has just gone on way too long. I hope that the case can be solved soon. These families deserve some peace of mind.
All because of a conservation officer didn't follow up with police,and public defender's representing a double murder.
Being an Indiana resident, I had to step back from this case for a bit and man have I missed a lot..wow…
Thanks for covering this case. Something smells.👃
Murder Sheet.....pppfffttttt. Go away.
The host says, at least TWICE, that the images have been leaked online. He even says it once after someone else specifically says the leak of the images was limited.
@@user-nh5ew9ck4z And you're claiming that the images were leaked online?
Regardless, the host said they were leaked online because of the recent defense issue.
Can I just say that I love court TV and Vinnie but I KNOW everything about this case! I swear of I have to watch this opening one. More. Time. I’m gonna lose it lol
People don't get that part about odinism. It's a prison gang. Bs aside, the men in Frank's motion documents, PW, BH, EF are very suspect in this case and The Flora case. 👀
Except that there's video from the girls recording their killer, & it's one person, and looks like Richard Allen, & he describes his own clothes as looking like that.
No he doesn’t. Dulin gives information from interview he didn’t record. Interview he didn’t even remember doing. Fact is experts say cs has odinists rituals is a given with 4 worshippers with string hard evidence found within first few months ignored. One just being a confession with name and details of the crime scene and man admitted that he spit on one of the girls. This was discovered by LE then buried by Delphi LE. Why? To then arrest a guy who witnesses and himself state was on the trial earlier in day. They have no dna or even forensic data to prove his guilt. The video and voice has been tipped into be thousands of different men. Not once RA who is much shorter and didn’t change or get rid of one thing in 5 years. Until LE can explain why they ignored a detail confession from an odinist and false alibis for his friends and pictures of cs details on their fB with means, motive, and opportunity when RA has none then there will never be any Justice. I can’t believe any of the family members would be okay with more innocent lives ruined while monsters roam free. It’ll happen again and just like now the corrupt will never face any consequences. Even when they are caught lying outright, the legal/Justice system protects the criminals -as long as they are in charge.
Small Towns are Places where the
Creeps live. There is a Predator
Network running there. 😓
These people performing black magic need to be brought to Justice ⚖️
Shady shady law enforcement
This is such an odd case a guy in his 40s suddenly gets a taste for murder . I am extremely curious about his past . This case should not have taken 5 yrs to solve the evidence was there all along .
YUP FREE RICHARD! i’ve said that man’s innocent since the DAY they released that photo! straight up
Jesus take the wheel 😢. These young ladies and their families need justice.
You are absolutely right 👍
2024 JUSTICE FOR ABBY AND LIBBY
If Richard Allen is indeed innocent, then he has been treated terribly....As well as this he's in prison, not jail, even though he's not actually been convicted of the crime. The more I hear about this case (it's new to me) the more it sounds like a deeply corrupt investigation. In addition, it seems that he's up against certain guards who it appears are Odinists. If Richard Allen is innocent, those who have conspired against him should be brought to justice.
I am starting to wonder if he is innocent. I swore Chase Merrit was guilty until I watched the trail unfold and now he sits on death row and I am not sure he is guilty.
The families of these children are being revictimized by the “justice system”.
Not the justice system. They have nothing to do with the media outlets picking it up, carrying it along, & the viewers.
Thank you Bob Motta for speaking truth
Also, thank you for showering and brushing your hair.
I appreciate the info on heathenry and all that- so interesting! Thank you
Those photos have been available to podcasters since BEFORE this defense was brought on. One guy got caught but this was leaked by LAW ENFORCEMENT! This judge is so full of herself!
Court TV please stop including Murder Sheet. They lack credibility and integrity. Let alone faces for TV. They really downgrade Court TV. It’s time to move on to guests who can contribute to thought-provoking, intelligent conversation.
Plz stop having murder sheet on. The other panelists were fantastic especially the woman in red!
Bob is excellent too.
What’s the point of having guests on that can’t reveal anything?
I’m ex military and first responder. I never heard of odinism until this year and this release of the document from the defense attorneys. It’s not a military thing and it’s not the same as putting our faith in God while we go out and do our jobs. Those 2500 members of the church are only .000031% of the world’s population. And seeing as they’re world wide it can be assumed that people will confuse the facts and terms and make up their own chapters and rules along the way. Just sayin
Exactly, but what can you expect from a heathen
When you ask who benefited from this leak? The answer is clear the Judge and prosecutor.
I ask why was the prosecutor working night and day on the leak when there hadn't even been an arrest, he should have been preparing for trial and pushing for funding to pay someone to help him. That really confuses me, the murders took years for an arrest, why hadn't funding been in the budget every year?
Having the hand of one girl extended and touching the tree reminds me of Debbie Collier...
It is the symbol for "as above, so below."
“One of them [the killers] is no longer with us.” Could he be talking about Ron Logan, the guy who owned the property the girls were found on? Or the guy who killed himself after the photos leaked. I wish he’d just say the “bombshell” info- there’s no telling what could happen between now and when that information comes out.
I believe a few suicided out
I don't know how anyone could believe a word that guy says the way he's constantly bragging and treating a trial with two literal dead children like his own spectacle sporting event.
His "bombshells" are all sensationalist and irresponsible speculation that comes from his 'super special sources.'
You just don't know who your neighbors are anymore!
we want facts not opinions
Exactly what i thought begining the old man that past away of heart attach looked more like the picture also had limp . But could be wrong .
I don’t care for these podcasters they seem biased
Wasn’t a bullet that was found on the ground between the two girls were linked to him?
That Judge is in on it
24:37 This series of "Person A-D" is what the public and law enforcement should be focused on. Law enforcement either can't see what is so obvious (they are malignantly stupid) OR are protecting their own. Disgusting.
focused on persons that were at work, or in another county during time of the crime occured? Or a nine year old man? For commiting the murders?
I’d truly love to know whether the prosecutor would be kicked off the case if someone walked into a conference room, saw the pictures and took photos of them. NO THEY WOULD NOT. They would argue the prosecutor had no knowledge and it was done behind their back.
That’s like saying you give your buddy a ride to the bank & without your knowledge he robs it👉In short, Ignorance is not a defense
If the prosecution OR defense doesn't have the mindset, security protocols, awareness, and knowledge to NEVER leave any info for ANY case laying around/not secure, especially one this big, then YES, they should get booted. This also isn't the first time the defense did something unprofessional. What else are they being reckless with, or letting lay around? Stuff like that, if found out during or after the trial could cause a mistrial or an appeal to be granted. ANY lawyer should know better, no excuse.
Well considering Judge Gull and the prosecutor are so far up each others 🍑 I'd say your correct on that one. She's even a friend on Facebook who leave lovely comments on his photos. How lovely that they are so close.
I had not heard this 'friend on Facebook' information
The thing is, it’s not JUST the leak they’re being disqualified for. The judge has multiple reasons.
If there was just one mistake leak, Baldwin and Rozzi would still be standing.
Hell, there's a tattoo shop in Delphi called Oden's Den, and there is one in Marion Indiana just around 40 miles away. I was born in central Indiana and it wouldn't surprise me if the whole state is loaded with Odinites and other groups like them
Despicable. Is Indiana the Wild Wild West?
The police federation is the most free masonic Organisation in the world, and their god is exactly the same as Odins god, aka the light bearer lucifer.
I hope I'm wrong , however there is no way this guy did this ,no motive,no reason,just a fall guy for a failed duty by all that are involved,the case is going to end up being tossed due to all the mistakes that have been made.
I say he's guilty on the probable cause alone
That is not RA. on the bridge. Did these girls fight off rapist(s)? Exactly my thoughts too. They were kidnapped first.
🤮 Double talking MS ! 🤮
This is crazy. And I feel a lot of ppl are involved. Why would the judge act in such a manor I know I’m not that knowledgeable on the legal system but even my untrained even ignorant to law system can tell somethings don’t add up and too much dodging and weaving hush hush type bull S! Is going on
Where did Vinny dig up these murder sheet weirdos and why does he keep giving them airtime?