Anti-Corruption Expert: The West Is Enabling Autocracies | Amanpour and Company
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- Western democracies are rethinking their reliance on Putin's natural resources -- especially energy -- in light of Russia's unprovoked war. Expert Frank Vogl says that where international financial corruption is concerned, Russia is just the tip of the iceberg. He walks Michel Martin through the urgent need for radical reform of global financial systems.
Originally aired on April 14, 2022.
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Of all human failings, it is greed that will be the end of us.
A republic if you can keep it B. Franklin
Actually if we're being completely honest it's a whole battery of issues all rolled up into Human Supremacy. Being less human might be the only way out of assured mutual destruction.
power struggle will destroy us. vogel does not care about the cleptocrats that support the west.
As it was the end of the Roman Empire, and every other empire before and since
Greed is glorified by Capitalism. The GQP is greedy beyond belief. Tax breaks for the rich.
Citizens in every nation should challenge their leaders and call them to account....their lavish lifestyles, houses, trips, bank balances etc.. This is the people's money.
Yeah, humans will be all nice and angelic 😂 Nice story, no basis for such fiction. Watch movie "Equilibrium", so you fully understand the issue here.
What is an election ?
It would probably take direct attacks. Against kleptocrats and their whole families. Zero tolerance. Oil the guillotines and get t the lists in order.
@@mikesamovarov4054 Struggle strife and pain may be a necessary part of human life but lies, kleptocracy, authoritarianism and war are Not!
Money is just a medium of exchange. What are we exchanging? Our labors! My labor is mine; not "the peoples". I feel there's a thief among us.
My wife was an investigative journalist in Eastern Europe in the early 90s. She was basically told to give up an investigation or “all bets are off”, regarding a politician involved in human trafficking. Investigative journalism is heroic because the truth is their motivation.
Free Julian Assange
How about the Saudis? We buy their oil and they use our money to spread the strictest form of Islam around the world for decades and have used none of it to improve the lives of their own citizens.
Our laws and politicians made Putin rich and never held him accountable for war crimes, so naturally he believed invading Ukraine again wouldn't be a problem.
Vogel is absolutely correct about the West enabling being a huge part of the problem. It's come to the point that you have Americans running around praising Putin and believing a dictator would be better than a democrat. I'm 65 and remember air raid drills in school and crouching under our desks. Nothing would have made me believe that 75-year-old republicans would back Russia over their own country. It's all about the benjamins baby and it's really sad and screwed up what's been going on.
@John Grigg Heartbreaking
Real investigate journalism is almost nonexistent now. Americans have an appetite for sensationalism and right wing fascists have convinced them that the press is the enemy. Most local newspapers have died so people don’t have the local newspapers to consult every day.”Frontline” has informative shows on PBS but mostly podcasts are the method for people to get the truth out there. journalists literally risk their lives exposing the truth, especially in the areas of corruption, where it needs to be exposed.
@@lindakelley2676 I agree with you (95%). One of the most difficult decisions to make for an editor is "what we're going to say". The line between useful information and societally destabilizing is sometimes very fuzzy. We live with so many "necessary illusions" that we run a substantial risk of it all unraveling for the sake of a few bad knots. Some things at the heart of our worst are also connected to some tenets of the best we can manage. There is no doubt that we hear from reporters more than journalists but many of those journalists are embedded, like spies for the truth. Like waiting for AG MerGar to actually say anything at all, the work of journalists is patient and sometimes very exacting, and usually worth the wait.
Mr. Vogl is so right! Sadly, corruption is the name of the global game.
A brilliant man of great integrity, Frank Vogel. Thanks, Michelle, for this astounding interview.
Not really. Vogl is so biased. Horrible analysis.
He’s a terrible basketball coach.
Yes brilanty but intergraty NEVER because he left behind center financial Market knows how corruption proceedings. Mr Vogel Putin is on tiny poin of iceberg. Aware cinism.
Lol. Frank Vogel is not Frank vogl.
@@yeoldbandicoot548 and you are.....?
The reason we don't have those laws, it's because the politicians use the same strategies to get undisclosed money, some of the enablers are politicians.
Our (from democratic countries) politicians as well as our businessmen...the interwiew doesn't even mention that as if this is a problem only in non democratic countries... isn't this propaganda only done in a far more competent and clever way?
WHEN didn't "the West" enabled ( when it didn't established them through the Cocaine International Agency, themselves)?
Could I start with Latin America and their Banana Republics ( and the term "Banana Republic" by itself deserves an investigation/research)? Southeastern Asia? Africa?
How much hypocritical can you be?
Eh! Forgive my rant : l forgot this damned algo put in my watch list a piece of material from Corrupted National Network! What an I expecting?)
I am outta here!
Bye till jamais!
politicians who we elect by lazy citizens who do not learn about the candidates in detail, or ignorant citizens.kids need civics to learn how to be a smart, active citizen. and we need to regain and demand honesty and transparency in government.
On the one hand, I feel empowered learning this. On the other, it's super-depressing.
If there’s money to be made, Wall Street is all in.🤷🏼♂️
Money is the greatest tool ever devised by mankind. Also the most dangerous. At present it is the means of our species’ suicide.
Fighting corruption requires constant vigilance in all governments. We have to keep at it across the globe.
Yes but of course the top people in all governments are variously pals or at least acquaintances of all the shady characters and meet them in various formal & informal social circumstances. Our present Boss in Canada got a slap on the wrist for a free weekend on a private island of one of his pals, a big international billionaire. Our present Boss in Canada can't help it, he's from a fairly wealthy family and some billionaires have been among their pals for donkey's years. That seems to be intractable so "requires constant vigilance in all governments" S.B. "requires constant vigilance against all governments".
They, the governments, all have to be shaken out, the criminals tried and executed, our structures revised and rebuilt, our directions refined.
If he mentioned the US oligarchs and other western oligarchs he would be more beneficial. He is simply a "useful idiot" for the west, IMHO.
Anyone who seeks power over people in the fraudulent name of a greater good is absolutely corrupt. Power over people is by it's own nature the cause of every issue in our species. Expecting power over people to solve itself isn't a reasonable expectation I am afraid.
The amount of times humans have tried to solve issues caused by the few governing the many, using the few governing the many as the solution proves that humans are not capable of existing. That behavior is our extinction.
fighting corruption requires non-corrupt governments. Whatever did Mueller do, other than wasting resources?
Wow this interview is an true eye opener. My compliments to interviewers and especially Mr. Vogl. Bravo!!!
Thanks to the 2008 crisis, "5 trillion dollars in pension funds, real estate, k401, savings and bonds were gone. 8 million people lost their jobs, 6 million lost their homes. And that was just in the USA" (The Big Short 2015). Those who made this possible were never held accountable. It was we, the peons, who paid. "A few years from now people will be doing what they always do when the economy tanks: they will be blaming the immigrants and the poor" (Attributed to Mark Baum in The Big Short).
And here we are. Why do you think far-right is becoming more and more popular in the West? Corruption, yes, of course.
Totally astute. GOP, and DNC too, are infiltrated with dirty money, foreign and domestic. Our free market electoral bribery system begs it. Our nation has become set up to suck corruption in, and breath it out… So called American interests. But really it’s just Cold War greed and lies. This is the turning point of human time. We either change or die.
Agree totally, but the collapse is going to be much quicker. Suggest July to Dec 2022
far-right is the corruptest of all.
The right are the same. We need a Revolution.
@@chicofresh4396 A revolution, I don't know. A reform, yes, that's for sure.
Excellent interview. Proves investigative journalists are needed worldwide.
Don't think Fox viewers would agree with you.
Then Fox Viewers need to read the quotation below:
"WERE IT LEFT TO ME TO DECIDE WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE A GOVERNMENT WITHOUT NEWSPAPERS, OR NEWSPAPERS WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, I SHOULD NOT HESITATE A MOMENT TO PREFER THE LATTER."-THOMAS JEFFERSON
True journalism is the collective intellect of our history and present and future. Those who attack journalism are criminals against humanity. Our every hope and prayer.
@@stuartrutman4885 Fox propaganda ministry has nothing to do with journalism. They are an authoritarian kleptocracratic organization and nothing more. They’re part of the problem and no part of the solution. Never Ever GOP Again!
"THE JOB OF THE NEWSPAPAPER IS TO COMFORT THE AFFLICTED AND AFFLICT THE COMFORTABLE."- MARTIN DOOLEY
Massive Corruption is everywhere in the world and a lot in US, Canada, UK Etc etc
Seems to be an overlooked cornerstone of the human condition. Only worse the larger the money pool gets.
"Why Western governments were so slow reacting to this corruption?" Because they've been bought. As an example, Gerhard Schröder, former German Chancellor (head of government), moved from the government to the board of Gazprom, the Russian gas monopoly. The deal is: while in power, be nice to the corrupt rich and they'll pay you back, in the form of a very well paid "job".
How about the revolving door in the US, between Armaments companies and the pentagon, and between Whitehouse and Goldman-Sachs
Don't forget about the UK's Boris Johnson's whole Government when you speak about corruption and bought politicians.
How do you think American billionaires became billionaires? It wasn’t through hard work.
Thank you! Frank Vogl is clearly brilliant and knowledgeable about what is happening, but surely he doesn't believe our congress is going to do squat. As you say, our governments are bought, and the system as it stands will not change in any meaningful way. Remember when Wachovia and later, HSBC were laundering huge sums of money for Mexican drug cartels? Who went to jail for that?
Lawyer, banker, real estate agent ,and public relations firms.
Step-by-step solutions, according to this author:
1. Increased investigations & prosecutions. 2. Change beneficial ownership laws.
3. Stronger foreign policy that supports investigative journalists.
Death sentences for corruption…
Sounds great. But the system isnt designed to bring consequences to people with money and power
@@abk3400 EXACTLY ! If anyone thinks the system has been designed fairly they have a lot to learn about how the world works. The system was designed and put in place principally to to make the rich and powerful untouchable. Its secondary purpose is to give the poor the illusion of fairness when it is actually rigged in the favor of the rich and powerful.
@@abk3400 no shit. Can't you see systems are crumbling? If not, you will by the end of the year. This is the time for reform, I'd we are to have a future.
@@woodspriteful it does need to change. But it won't. Those with money and power have protected themselves. Its a dystopian future unfortunately
This is a remarkable interview I have seen in a long time. Thank you.
Thank you ~ great reporting. I think we, in the U.S., also need to evaluate ALL political contributions. I suspect that it may be likely that dirty foreign money is behind many of our political folks (I’m thinking Congress) …
Putin and the oligarchs gave massive amounts of money to Trump and his cronies. Remember the whole NRA fiasco?
Agree ☝️
You are absolutely right, but who’s going to look into it?
The lawmakers are involved in it up to their necks. It’s too deeply entrenched. Nothing is going to change.
Domestic money too. Get money out of politics...make all donations illegal and insist on political campaigns to be publicly funded with limited time...one month a year and equal funds.
In the west, on the US allows this much money from private contributors. Most other countries have limited campaigning period and limited financial donations possible across board.
Corruption exists in every government, including the USA.
Especially the US because it's systems are so big & powerful & entrenched. If you think the US has no role at all in the corruption in Honduras, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Venezuela, or any of the African or Middle Eastern countries, or any other of the world's economies, you'd be sadly mistaken.
Absolutely love this guest. Thank you for your excellent journalism.
Excellent interview! Time to call out the enablers!
Lol, are you ready to go around the western democratic countries calling them all out?! That's a huge task that will envolve the time of a life, and dangerous on top of it... Good luck, you'll need it (no irony in here)!
Beautiful job, Michelle. In this interview (& Frank Vogel is no chump, unlike someone else we all know), you hit the nail right on the head. Great job!
We need those "beneficial ownership" laws for our congress.
Along with banning stock ownership/trading and term limits.
The Senate Republicans are the worst offenders but yes all of our politicians
Great segment! I hope to see follow ups on the theme. We see this corruption happening everywhere and seldom anyone faces consequences. That tells a lot about how deep the corruption and hypocrisy go.
Inspiring guest, great interview, important information!
We need to do something about this problem as soon as possible. The Autocracies are all kleptocracies - even the religion based ones. Autocracy and corruption is the biggest threat to democracy, rule by law, freedom of speech and rights of ownership.
A 'Dic'tatorship Anywhere
is a threat Everywhere!
. . .
whether "(ab)using" Religio or
Ethno-Fascism as their excuse.
Agreed
An excellent interview, very informative and scary.
Frank Vogl knows he’s stuff. What a great man. Nothing will come of it, even though it should. It really should. What a wonderful world.
Frank Vogel provides Us a Great &
Excellent "Actionable" synopsis on:
How horrible Dictatorships and
Autocracies persist - despite our
pretend (and hypocritical) public
protests (i.e. in reality, "Dishonest"
and morally criminal). . . . ..
Thanks for your invaluable insight
Mr. Vogel!
Thank you Mr Vogl for your outstanding contribution to freedom.
BRAVO CHRISTIANE for bringing out the facts,..................
the targeted murders o' investigative journalists world-wide is a distressing sign that all o' us concerned with truth and facts should be alarmed at ! yet ANOTHER excellent interview for team Amanpour...
"Cash has won time and time again and we have put our democracy and security at huge risk as a result."
Biden needs to enforce the financial transparency laws already on the books. This way all oligarchs east and west can be held accountable.
😂 You're joking, right? Biden is the biggest kleptocrat in the world right now. Fuck, Ukraine has been his financial bitch since 2008.
“Money doesn’t talk it screams,” Bob Dylan.
The west is concerned about corporate capitalism, not democracy. The same can be said about Russia and China. So, whatever it takes to achieve their aims are ok.
Everyone is missing the fundamental point of the aggression in the world today. Fossil fuels and other limited resources are absolutuely without doubt, running out. About 400 years left. All the environmental issues, stay at home orders and conflicts in the world are about securing domination and control over natural resources, stopping the public from having free access to them, and control over shipping and total control over the labor force.
The international game right now is who can be the last man standing with control over the most resources and total control over the biggest labor force. That is what is happening and the entire species refuses to be honest about it.
Without an open and active press and support for their work, this kind of story could never see the light of day. Hope Frank gets a wider and large audience. "The cash is so attractive" indeed!
Our South African deputy president spent months in Russia getting "medical assistance". Our country has excellent medical facilities. Russia has been trying to get us to build nuclear power plants which we can not afford. The pressure started about 8 years ago. I am a very concerned South African 🇿🇦
1st-grade teachers don't have a place to live when you have empty apartment buildings. This is capitalism. As a public school teacher who can’t afford to own a house, Thank you for having this discussion.
I hear you!
It's the greed.
I wouldn't argue that it is the "west" but corporate centrism in general.
Big improvements in how US companies proactively catch illicit trades but still gaps policy makers could close 😎
Money my friends is first of all a social construct. There's absolutely no reason why the whole of society isn't the checks and balance of a nations money. By declining that responsibility, ie leaving it to others sets up the corruption of money for a society to be ruled over by but the few.
Yes, money simply represent value. Unless you wish to barter, we can't cancel money, Don. There's no better option.
@@mikesamovarov4054 Small Minds 4 Small Times !
Money is both our most important tool and also the most dangerous weapon of our potential suicide.
@@mtn1793 Important, NO
Dangerous, YES
A Weapon, YES
To Suicide
“ nobody asks because money is more important”.How sad, yet how spot on.
We have all known this for years with every anti corruption scandle that gets a little slap on their hand and allowed continue. Finally we are hearing what should have been done decades ago.
We can't even get the petty on line and telephone scammers so how the heck do we catch big sophisticated oligarchs
There are plenty of little people being busted. There's just so many now
We have our own oligarchs who are above the law. This must change soon.
Why no discussion of our Oligarchs and their malevolent influence? He walked right past the Sackler (sp?) family as he named it.
Yes, indeedy!
Possibly his book examines them more fully. Gonna get the book, myself.
Thank you for your revealments, courageous Frank Vogl and Be Safe!!!
Democracy and security are at risk due to money becoming more important than people. Land reform is needed to keep holding companies from furthering the domination of the oligarchs in the USA. We won’t stop the chasm between rich and poor until we legislate protection for our citizens from this type of corruption.
Big money makes people crazy.
Very hard to fix this - it’s everywhere. Less in transparent democracies, which gives a hint, that there is a possible ways to lessen the harmful effects.
But at the moment, non-democracies have zero tools to mend this problem.
I might add, that old and rich democracies, like UK, has this problem also dug too deep to root out with current system running.
How much did Pootin give trump?
Too much and still is giving on my accounts. Trump is dismantling USA for Putler.
Saudi Arabia giving billions to his children.
why do we use the word "tolerant" when the correct word is "complicit"
Another outstanding and informative interview by Michel Martin. 👍🏾
I must’ve missed the part where he talked about the hypocrisy of the U.S. 🤔 There is a robust oligarchy here which often funnels into the pockets of politicians. And whom have bank accounts in the exact same places he mentions.
With that said, it is a massively huge deal that we do not kill or lock up investigative journalists and that we have a free press. However, we have meddled in sooooooooo many countries that we are often to blame for how badly things are going in them. If we aren’t literally in countries forcing regime change (in the name of democracy no less), we give money to fund infighting, or prop up an opposition leader. We basically make countries less successful, less free, more poor, and more chaotic overall. And people rightly hate us for it. And We are hurting ourselves too with these outcomes.
I would add that when those people become refugees because of Western policies, our countries then turn their backs to them! How and when will things change?
Great interview! I am looking forward to read this book.
Great job. Keep the truth alive for humanity and the planet and to wake up humanity. 💟 👍 👍
Excellent interview - corruption is endemic in all institutions. Ask any teacher who wants Johnny to be good in class, but he doesn't need to because the sports coach needs him in the team. Or ask a policeman who finds the thief, but the lawyer argues the thief wasn't responsible for his actions. Or ask Boris Johnson about the party during lockdown, but his colleagues accept that he didn't know it was a party. Just do what Zalensky did - tell the German president he is not welcome in Ukraine until his country stops buying Russian oil and gas.
And every manager of every agency that inflates its spending to increase its budget.
His book is a must read.
You are putting going to a birthday party for five f u ck in g minutes on your little list. Who Cares? Nobody. Stop trying to bring our government down over pathetic little trifles like that. What are you a russia supporter or something? A traitor to your country perhaps?
Policeman who finds a thief?
You clearly aren't American, our cops are thieves, they aren't out catching them.
"Just do what Zalensky did - tell the German president he is not welcome in Ukraine until his country stops buying Russian oil and gas." And what a stupid own goal that move was. No country can cut itself off from 60% of his oil and gas supply over night. But more important: by trying to play the chancellor against his president, he has alienated the German chancellor and his government and made it impossible for Scholz to meet him in person at a time when it's most important.
This explains funding of irrational news media.
This is a huuuuuge problem! Good man for shedding the light on this pivotal issue.
Why and how are shell companies still allowed to exist? How are Switzerland and the Caymans in this current global environment still providing tax shelters or what ever they are called to hide wealth and ownership of it? Maybe there are other countries too however shouldnt all banks require transparency and can things change? Can shell companies be no more? Can't the world banking system and the EU/Nato require this for membership to create change?
Add South Dakota to Switzerland and the Caymans.
Enjoin the vigilantes and oil the guillotines.
Why do we not hear this over and over on National media: MSNBC. NBC, CBS, ABC?
Americans demonstrated an open,, unabashed value shift in the 70's & 80's particularly--conflating accumulation of money with virtue. Money became the god of our society, sacrificing every single other value.
i noticed it for sure.. mostly late 80s
Efing boomers....
@@4terrascorned Go back to the kiddie's table. People are trying to have a serious conversation here.
My uncle, who had money in the bank before the depression of the 30s, and lost some of it because of that, decided that he never would trust banks again and whenever he got his social security check, he would keep the check and cash it himself but he wouldn't leave it in the bank. Banks, credit cards, insurance companies, debit cards, bad news all of it. Be very careful how you handle it because the oligarchs are in charge of the world economy now, and we need to hunker down.
This is exactly what I've been saying to friends and family! We know who these people are, WHY do we allow them to buy property, yachts, etc., from western, so-called democratic countries? WHY do we sell arms to Saudi Arabia, a country where women are jailed, raped and oppressed, when we claim that we are against these ideologies? I'm so disgusted with humanity and even though I don't embrace a particular religion, I believe that due to greed and avarice encouraged by our leaders, we are headed straight toward Sodom and Gomorrah!
Thank you , that was an excellent interview!
Right on I want to vote for this guy!
Excellent interview. Thanks
Thsnk you Frank Vogl
Lovely Dubonnet poster on the wall :)) My parents told me that when you entered one of the 3 main train stations of Brussels in the 1940's or 1950's, you first saw painted on a wall: "Dubo", than a little bit further "Dubon" and then finally "Dubonnet"... And indeed, that can be seen on old ads too, I've recently "discovered"...
Bravo...a very pertinent discussion.
Excellent piece. Have added your book to my ‘must read’, lol. Thank you
True & tax breaks effectively bankroll the undermining of government.
We have already enacted some of these laws in Canada
Thank you, thank you, thank you! 🙏 This is important knowledge!
But you can not build a system that enables them and then let them fall like hot potatoes. The magnitzky act was morally legit but strategically very naive.
Excellent and informative interview!
Thank you for this great journalism. Thank God for both of these two adult minds. We need more of them and less vapid dolts.
Are reporters *trying* to keep the idea that natural wealth belongs to all out of the public consciousness?
Has there been, in the past year or five years, a news report that mentioned the fact that fees charged to those who extract natural resources would promote sustainability?
Has there been a news report in that time period that mentioned the fact that sharing proceeds from environmental impact fees to all people would end poverty?
Charge fees proportional to harmful impact on the environment. Share fee proceeds to all people. We would promote sustainability and end poverty. But it's not news. Why not?
IF we recognized natural wealth as belonging to all, there would likely be more outcry at the fact that kleptocrats are profiting from their exclusive access to natural resources, granted by corrupt autocrats.
Why is the press largely or completely silent on the topics of ownership of natural wealth and economic externalities?
Can't wait to read this book! Corruption = Violence.
Amazing clarity.
Love that guy.
Honest and gutsy.
Brilliant interview. Where do I sign up to request these laws from our legislators?
This guy is spot on , telling the truth .
I totally agree with this, however, Corruption always resorts to violence, intimidation, extortion, and anything that accomplishes their goals of wealth and power…tragically !!
Thank U.
Keep mentioning the names of the slimey banks and lawyers facilitating this. Name names. It's all about personal morality.
Bravo Frank Vogel 👏 🙌 👍
Thank you, very interesting interview.
Such a simple concept, but real!
magnificent choice for the guests eyewear. Now, that being said it's time to enjoy this post!
Important and clear interview.
The extent of corruption is frightening
I've read several of the comments, and no one is mentioning that tfg's real-estate "empire" depends on (particularly) Russian rich people *investing* in his projects. Remember when Kuschner said "We get all the money we need from Russia"? Giant clue there! On top of that, tfg's lawyers monkey with the tax obligations generated by that activity.
😬😳😬😳 sh¡t this is scary !
Thank you for this 👏👏👏
I'm curious to know what kind of relationships these oligarchs have with US corporations overseas, and if there are any political ties.
As anti corruption as I am, this was very refreshing to hear, an a good book to read and add to one’s library…
Great interview with important information.
I agree Important interview!
I love this man.
Wonderful discussion. Excellent speakers. RS
EXCELLENT 👍👍👍 THANKS !
The United States has become an oligarchy thanks to the Supreme Court. We are going the way of Russia although we are not quite there yet.