Living Go: Kajiwara’s Philosophy on Direction of Play, Part 1

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  • Опубликовано: 21 янв 2025

Комментарии • 22

  • @plrc4593
    @plrc4593 26 дней назад +14

    Direction of play is one of the most interesting, yet mistified and obscure go concepts.

    • @GoMagic
      @GoMagic  17 дней назад +3

      Absolutely agree! Direction of play is such a subtle and profound concept, yet it can feel elusive, especially for beginners. 😵

    • @sorenwestwood1514
      @sorenwestwood1514 3 дня назад

      @@GoMagic If I may add to this, I think one of the biggest impediments to being sensitive to direction of play is that you must accept and be decisive about what your own style is, you cannot be wishy-washy emotionally about what the board is telling you.
      You must be honest and accept your truth for what it is, and have faith that it will improve through your endeavors.
      I think when you're a beginner, it's natural to have self-doubt, and it's easy to to feel like a human emotion has no place in a world that you know is ruled by AI.

  • @Arsa-m4s
    @Arsa-m4s 25 дней назад +5

    No one ever talks about this although it's one of the most important concepts to Go mastery.
    Keep it up,Go magic,Good job !

  • @tottyamadeus591
    @tottyamadeus591 25 дней назад +4

    I want more like this please !! !

    • @GoMagic
      @GoMagic  17 дней назад +1

      More like this is definitely on the way-stay tuned 👍

  • @plrc4593
    @plrc4593 26 дней назад +6

    Excellent video. I longed for something like this. There aren't a lot of videos explaining strategy in go.

    • @GoMagic
      @GoMagic  17 дней назад +1

      Thank you! We're glad you found the video helpful! 😊

  • @BenMojo.
    @BenMojo. 26 дней назад +2

    Amazing. What a beautiful game. Thank you for the insights. The fuseki is my favorite part of the game.

    • @GoMagic
      @GoMagic  23 дня назад +1

      Thank you! 😊 Fuseki truly is a fascinating and elegant part of Go

  • @rcookie5128
    @rcookie5128 19 дней назад

    Nice vid!

  • @anuzis
    @anuzis 26 дней назад +2

    Another Matthew video? I know I can click Like in the first 3 seconds and it will ring true throughout!

    • @GoMagic
      @GoMagic  17 дней назад

      Thanks for the instant support-your trust means a lot! 😉

  • @seventus
    @seventus 26 дней назад +7

    In the Edo period, players were always trying to find stronger practical moves and evolve their Go. I feel like the shin fuseki and the second half of the 20th century brought with it a lot of airy-fairy theory that while undoubtedly artful, neglected the practical aspects of Go and caused Japan to become weaker and eventually lose out to the more practical styles of Korea and China.
    I prefer Fujisawa's approach in general. He would still stubbornly insist on "the only move" and have strong opinions, but he would also praise his students for coming up with novel plans even if they did not work out; in other words, the act of coming up with a coherent, creative plan was more important than to play what orthodoxy claims is the correct move. Fujisawa was on to something, and had a close relationship with Korean and Chinese players, who evidently absorbed some of this spirit.
    My experience with Edo period Go is extensive, and I do not believe that Kajiwara's philosophy was their philosophy; rather, I think it's a product of post shin-fuseki Japan. It's an interesting thing to look into, and sometimes sensible (and definitely useful for kyu players), but it fails in numerous ways and is incongruous with both Edo period play and modern post-AI play (in my opinion).

    • @GoMagic
      @GoMagic  17 дней назад

      Great insight! 😲 Go has definitely seen a fascinating evolution in styles and philosophies over time. Balancing creative strategies with practical and effective play is a challenge that every generation of players wrestles with.

  • @Verdurapp
    @Verdurapp 26 дней назад +2

    me encanto el video

  • @tuerda
    @tuerda 26 дней назад +4

    The majority of the content of this video (and of about 80% of what is in the "direction of play" book) is something I was always somewhat suspicious of. Eventually it was almost completely refuted by AI. The stuff he says is "bad" is often shown not only to be perfectly fine, but often marginally better than the moves he recommends.
    This does not necessarily mean that what he recommends or that his system leads to bad moves. The moves he recommends are fine of course, but the ones he rallies against are also perfectly fine. IMO this kind of rigid opening thought pattern is reasonably thought of as "_one way_ to find good moves" which shows a little more respect to moves which violate the principles as well.

    • @plrc4593
      @plrc4593 25 дней назад +3

      You make a mistake assuming that people are able to play as good as computers. Either in chess and go they aren't. Computers frequently say that some position is good or even because they see some very cunning way, whereas from human perspective it borderlines defeat.

    • @tuerda
      @tuerda 25 дней назад +3

      @@plrc4593 You seem to be putting words in my mouth here. I am encouraging respect for moves that do not follow the guidelines.
      Kajiwara uses extremely derisive, and borderline hostile language when describing any move that does not fit his very rigid philosophy. He says they are unplayable, instantly losing, etc. None of this is true.
      EDIT: Also maybe worth adding, XXI century human players have been flagrantly violating KT's principles with great success. Even several XX century players used moves he derided this way _to beat him over the board_.

  • @abelmiddel1956
    @abelmiddel1956 23 дня назад +2

    but the direction of the board is wrong....😊

    • @GoMagic
      @GoMagic  23 дня назад +1

      Yeah, we know 😂

    • @rcookie5128
      @rcookie5128 19 дней назад

      True! xD Happens to the best of us, haha