Zack Snyder Says DC Is Making Batman IRRELEVANT If He Can't Kill!
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- Опубликовано: 9 мар 2024
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I dont know why people are blaming Batman. Shouldn't the justice system be at fault? Batman delivers them Joker and instead of executing him they put him in prison.
Batman did his job but the justice system isnt doing theirs
Exactly 😂‼️
THAT WHAT I WAS THINKING, Don't be mad at him, be mad at the Judicial System
@@RapaidFirebatman already breaking the law he could have turned a blind eye but he threw a batarang at Jason's neck
Then why would you keep trusting the justice system after that lol
@@harrynguyen2503 That the point of putting on the cape and cowl
Only Batman that I’ll accept killing is Thomas Wayne 😂
Same really there's probably a few others but keyword is they all are elseworld stories
But u need to accept the reality the sweet baby inc successfully killed BATMAN
Yep they do all that else world stuff but won’t do that.
Thomas is more like the Punisher with killing, while Bruce only kills when he has to
Batman being so smart and tactical he gets everything done without killing. It’s one of his best traits he doesn’t take the easy way out.
Exactly thank you 🙏.
@scottowen84 It’s not the easy way out, he only does it when he has no choice
“It has nothing to do with easy, it’s about doing what’s right because it’s right and that’s the only reason you need.” - My favourite Batman quote from Son of Batman movie.
@@Tookieslamstill one of my favorite movies
Uhuh uhuh only for joker to wonder out of arkham asylum and murder more innocents
I guess the ideal Batman is represented in the Arkham games. Why can’t anyone replicate that?
Modern audiences. ESG. DEI.
Best Batman in my personal opinion.
I’m a DCEU Batman guy but Arkham was solid
Christian bale killing harvey was out of compromise for a greater good so comparing it to synder batman is kinda overlooking technicality
@@KeeperProtectorI totally agree,that represented what Batman is soposed to be about period.
I honestly think not killing is what keeps Batman relevant if he killed he would eventually become irrelevant.
I disagree, his movies do really well, and he kills in nearly all of them
@@honorarya4098true but it’s harder to make a long lasting franchise around one hero when he kills all his villains.
@honorarya4098 Also, NONE of the movie Batmen have been great representations of Batman. The best portrayal is still the DCAU Bats outside of the comics (you could throw Arkham Bats in there too).
@theroyalmediator2658 keaton
Bale Patterson are amazing represention of batman
@@yosifalhasil6044 Keaton’s a great Batman in the context of that universe but not a great Batman
Im calling BS on Zack on this.
Wholeheartedly disagree. You want a character that kills? There are plenty of other ones, go somewhere else for it. I'd argue he'd become LESS relevant if he started killing, he'd be just another murderous vigilante.
I'm pretty sure that in all the batman movies, he kills...
Matt miller’s The Batman
@@malekat8539 if you are gonna write a killer Batman why the hell that Joker and other important villains are still breathing in a universe where Batman kills. Did Burton's and Nolan's batmans "killed"? Sure. But at least they got rid of the main villains
He only does it when he has to, that doesn’t make him Flashpoint Bats or Red Hood
@@honorarya4098 If Batman kills even indirectly it has to focus on his ideal on the inate value of life otherwise its competely meanlingless, like in arkham knight when you have the choice to destroy Ra's's life support, the tone is not of victory because batman feels the personal failure of not finding a way to save everyone but the game takes multiple oppertunitys to point out that the state in which Ra's exist can barely be cared living
Tyrone, I want to express my disagreement with you in a respectful manner. Batman's code of ethics strictly prohibits him from resorting to killing.
He has killed but I prefer if he doesn’t
problem is if you write a killer batman, why the hell that joker still alive
That no killing rule keeps getting innocent people killed by all the villains after they escape Arkham or wtv and that’s were it don’t make sense
@@KRATOS3333BROADWAY 💯
@Joseantonio-op5oc Because he is mentally ill and normally submits after a good toss around with Bats. Bruce only kills when he has no choice.
Killing is the easy way out. Batman doesn't take the easy way out.
To be fair. One major flaw is we rarely get to see the benefits of batman not killing criminals for us to say its a better solution.
Exactly 💯
You can just make Batman beat his enemies into a pulp like he usually does
If that’s how Zack feels, respectfully, that’s a lazy comment.
"Protect and honor the source material" - Does Zack get a special pass?
“If Clark wanted to, he could use his superspeed and squish me into the cement. But I know how he thinks. Even more than the Kryptonite, he’s got one big weakness. Deep down, Clark’s essentially a good person… and deep down, I’m not.” - Batman, Hush
If I was Batman, I would get rid of the Joker for good reason.
If you were batman, getting rid of the joker wouldn't be in your head
So... you wouldn't be batman
@@The_Cholosseum 😂
Yeah I remember watching a video on Redhood confronting him about that, topic was also mentioned in the injustice games too.
But why doesn't the justice system get rid of the Joker?
Christian bale killing harvey was out of compromise for a greater good so comparing it to synder batman is kinda overlooking technicality
Okay Batman only kills when absolutely necessary especially when it threatens his own life
@@gohan2791 he also killed the guy driving the dumper truck in dark knight
This is one of those time i have to disagree with snyder unless batman's completely pushed to his limits
He was in the Knightmare scene
Wat would b an example of pushing his limit?
Exactly which means there is no no killing rule its more of a guideline. A rule means you don't cross even if pushed to limits.
That’s all it is, he only kills when he has no choice
@@Julio-Ces4rNolan's Batman got rid of important foes with his killings. Meanwhile BvS Batman only kills random thugs but spares not only Joker's life but others villains as well
I swear he think Zack Snyder can do no wrong 😂
He is also overly positive about that setting's universe.
The best movie that came out of the DCEU was Man of Steel, and even *that* had its flaws as well.
@@lelouchz7765 exactly, his direction didn’t feel like the justice league imo, Zack Snyder may have had little to do with BvS and justice league, but he still had a say in the direction they were taking. And I felt he didn’t respect the source material as it was.
The Batman I know is borderline killing his enemies by giving them a concussion
I'm glad Snyder is off DC movies, Between this take and the supercuck storyline he wanted for the Justice League movies it's clear he was not the man for the job.
BATFLECK How many good guys are left?how many stayed that way? This Batman learned as Tyrone mentioned you gotta take out some of these guys they cant be rehabilitated
A 'Grim Knight' movie would be cool.
Unfortunately the message would touch it.
If batman starts killing, there's no point for joker to exist, and batman would just use a gun and that's it.
The thing is that in movies, unlike comics, the villains don't get to break out of jail since it's usually one appearance then gone until it's another universe with another take on that villain and a different Batman so we don't get the problem of Batman being responsible for the death of innocent people from that villain for not killing him.
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One of the things we look up to in heroes besides their physical prowess is also their moral strength in upholding their beliefs even when it would be more expedient to betray them.
He would become irrelevant if he started killing.
NO! he would b irrelevant when he is not amongs the living
@@pilipinasthetruth5977 Your English is atrocious. I can't understand your comment.
Keaton's Batman literally blew up a whole factory full of Joker's henchmen. And nobody had a hissy fit and cried about that.
@Julio-Ces4r that'd not the point. The point is nobody cried about Batman killing in movies until Affleck played the part. And Keaton's batman had a much higher body count.
@@FearlessJackson3u mean nobody on the internet complained about a movie that came out in 1989? Gee I wonder why?
They were trying to make a more edgy(yet cartoony) Batman following the Adam West Batman.
@landon_the_filmmaker no, I mean while they were throwing Batfleck under the bus for killing they conveniently forgot that Keaton Bat killed more and proclaimed him the greatest batman of all time. Sort of like this " I hate the Affleck version because he kills. Keaton Batman is my favorite" Got it now, cock sucker??
@landon_the_filmmaker no, I mean while they were throwing Batfleck under the bus for killing they conveniently forgot that Keaton's bat killed more. Sort of like this "I hate the Affleck version because he kills. Keaton's Batman is my favorite" Got it now, cock sucker??
The biggest problem with Batman on the big screen isn't about whether he kills or not; it's that he's not portrayed as smart enough. Come on, he's supposed to be the greatest detective in the world.
Justice Lords were a thing...
Crime Syndicate is a thing...
The multiverse is a thing
Don't change the character
Create a new one one
The justice system is to blame for gothams issues.Batman puts them in and they let them out. If Batman killed he would no longer be able to work or even stand by police the little things like arkham batman walking into arkham becomes impossible.
Do a Batman Beyond movie and let him kill like John Wick lol
i get what snyder is saying. prep time doesn't really translate well in a 2hour JL movie when everyone else is super powered....which is why Batman seemed every bit of useless in the justice league movie when the heavy hitters show up
Ben Afflecks Batman killed recklessly.
I’m just saying peacemaker is right
Peacemaker would get folded by Batman with little effort.
@@docproc144 has nothing to do with strength it’s the principles.
Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. It would make Batman more feared if you think about it.
We need to have a global vote on whether Batman starts killing or not
Their is already version that do this
Batman resisting the urge to commit murder and his capability to avoid it is a superpower in my opinion.
The only thing I am going to say is that I love BvS: Ultimate Edition. I especially love Batfleck.
I would love to see a flash point where Thomas Wayne meets Joker. I would also like to see a future Batman that kills but he is so good at it that the Joker needed to be resurrected to level out the playing field.
Snyder giving these haters a life. They just wake-up looking for something to about him to hate on.
Thomas wanye batman is the killer batman not bruce
Bro if Zack did dragon ball z for a film or show to tribute and respect to Akira Toriyama that would be dope as hell. Rip Akira Toriyama. 🐉🟠🟠🟠🟠🟠🟠🟠
I disagree. I like when Batman finds a way, though.
Opposite, Zac - Killing him makes him irrelevant.
Personally, it is the way Snyder did it, in the dark knight his kills meant something and changed him, broke him, in snyders it was just to be edgy and cool. And thats my issue with his version. That’s the difference.
If Batman kills, then Damian Wayne Robin has no purpose
Intent matters. In both cases of Batman killing, he tried to save them but failed. Zack must stop acting like he knows how to write characters because he doesn't. Killing is easy in a story. Having a hero that sticks to their core beliefs is important and just because he thinks it isn't doesn't make him right. We have Deadpool giving us all the killing we need.
For me it depends on the Batman. You can do it but you have to be smart about it. An alternate, bloodthirsty one could be fascinating. I liked the way they had Superman killing Zod in Man of Steel. That made sense in the moment because Zod forced a choice.
I generally lean towards a Batman that rarely kills. Even then, only when he has to. In a situation like the Zod one above. Or when Bale's version simply decides not to save Ra's Al Ghul. Those are gray areas I can accept.
Christian Bale's Batman also killed Talia in The Dark Knight Rises.
Val Kilmer's Batman was definitely went out of his way to murder Dent with those coins.
So what hapends if Aliens attack earth what hapends to the code then
Superman throws the code out
The DEI will make a protest and represent Aliens as Minority
I can get behind Batman weather he kills or not as long as it goes with the story being told like in Snyder’s case with Batman being in a no win situation or Bale’s Batman killing Harvey Dent in The Dark Knight, either or works!
so now is it ok to change the character's traits? Batman is not the Punisher
...I mean,that's why his 15 enemies KEEP getting out of jail...
We want the grim knight
DEI wants BATMAN to be taken by Grim reaper
I many other universe Batman killed and it doesn't matter...
I love Snyder-verse and the podcast with JoeRogan is amazing.
Loved what he talked about.
That's why I think Red hood is a better Batman, he puts an end to the criminals bs once and for all
What makes him any different than the punisher , part of the fun is seeing how he works around the situations without killing so have to heavily disagree with this one
Tyrone taking a L with this one
Your explanation with Batman is exactly what the Daredevil/Punisher argument was about. If the justice system is broke and after years it doesn’t get fixed I would get why Batman would flip
Finalement DC a bien fait de lui retirer la licence Batman. À cette vitesse-là, bientôt, Bruce Wayne aurait été interprété par Donald Trump. Avec cette phrase, Snyder verse donc ici dans la médiocrité, et discrédite l'ensemble de son travail sur le personnage de fiction qu'est Batman.
In the end, DC did the right thing by withdrawing the Batman license. At this rate, soon, Bruce Wayne would have been played by Donald Trump. With this sentence, Snyder is therefore falling into mediocrity, and discredits all of his work on the fictional character that is Batman.
😂 you gave me Dave Chappell vibes on this one! Great opinion my guy
i see the industry hasnt changed a bit. they all have it out for zack and so many people will go out of their way, clip his words and take him out of context. Its truly sad the hate this man receives over bs.
I love your take on this Tyrone completely agree this is how I've always felt with changing certain aspects or things about iconic comic book characters good video!
*The way that Snyder gets attacked over this every year this debate gets brought up again you'd think he had Adam West's Batman out here just snappin mf'ers necks* 😂
I would love to see the failsafe comic come to the big screen
I am so waiting for them to make a movie about the.. batman who laughs.. omg.. seriously.. I'm waiting for them to bring this version.. new universe or something.. I'm thinking people in general would take it really well
People hated him
Yeah the Batman who laughs is awful lol
While I like most of Zack Snyders stuff, but I don't agree with everything he says and does.
Clearly zack synder wants to turn every hero like batman into killers even though that's not who they are and I know for a fact that these zack synder fanboys are going to eat this up and call this a good thing I just know it
Didn't Batman killed in the golden age? I could've sworn he had an MP5...
Batman code...
I do tend to side with the no killing rule but, a lot of fans act like if Batman is on a killing spree if he takes one out. Chill.
Snyder is wrong because he can only tell it from his perspective. He is limited on how he can tell a story. Your version of a Batman turning to the Punisher is NOT Batman
The thing about comics is it's not supposed to be realistic. It's supposed to be like an escape from reality though I do agree some of the heroes need to step it up a bit when protecting people lol. Shove all the villians in the Phantom zone or something 😂
That's the whole point of Batman. He doesn't want to lower himself to the standards of his parents murderer.
Arkham batman he wants I agree with that but this is batman he has a code but also the code only goes to a point when he become the batman who laughs
I don't mind batman killing as he gets older, thats a though I had like what if he turned 50 and and just ended it
yeah I mean like killed the joker and scarecrow bc he got sick of them or sm@@dal1947
Bstman is a vigilante! Capture and Sacrifice to Vengence. Deuteronomy 32:35 - justice belongs to a higher power..
The Reason why I likes batman in because of his NO KILLING Rule. That separates him from other characters like The Punisher he owns that Motivation and his Will to fight crime but not delivering the fatal blow on them makes him more badass and wholesome at the same time because he wants this Crazy minded criminals to change. Unfortunately the Villains are kind of an Assholes in his universe.
I would like to point out that Snyder's Superman was at least conflicted about killing Zod, while his batman goes on a murder-spree, crusading against Superman for being a danger to the world. So, for me, it's not so much that Snyder's Batman kills. It's because he's a hypocrite.
Zack is 💯 right !!!!!
Keaton's Batman killed. Gleefully. But people ignore that in order to hate on Snyder.
That was out of character for Batman back then as well. Not a good example.
@@docproc144 I’m pointing out how people treat Snyder like he blew up the planet, when other directors have done it. And the world kept turning. So it was fine then, and it’s fine now.
@@docproc144yet it was probably the biggest film of the decade and set a new standard for superhero movies.
Facts
People have criticized Burton but atleast burton was honest and hell atleast Burtons Batman killed the Joker.
We NEED a Russo Brothers Batman film.
Winter Soldier is underrated as a film
@@Whydoweneedhandles427not really lol everyone knows it’s a pretty good movie
@@austin_madore9417 Not really lol, no one includes it in the top ten. When it reality it’s top 3.
Facts
Zack Snyder fans be like:
And how does Snyder "get" these characters again? Waiting for an answer, Snyder-fans
Snyder had the best version of Batman, not mad if he caught a couple of bodies
that version that kills only henchmen and thugs left and right but spare Joker's life? Sure
But that isn't Batman that goes against his character. Batfleck is just a glorified punisher in a bat suit.
@@Joseantonio-op5oc what Batman didn't do that? They were all killing somebody. And they didn't even get through his whole story Arc in the Dceu
@@rflperezthat's the point LOL if you write a killer Batman why the hell that Joker and other important villains are still breathing in a universe where Batman kills. Did Burton's and Nolan's batmans "killed"? Sure. But at least they got rid of the main villains
All batman and superman killed, even Reeves superman. Pattinson´s batman is useless, he let the penguin go when he killed all the people in the rode, Kyle´s friend and was selling the drop, that was ridiculous, one of the things, the other is the ridiculous evacuation to a flooding theater.
Hes just completely waffling ngl 😂
"Batman dOeSn'T kill".......🙄. Here they come 😂.
Batman is not the Punisher
Here's somebody who doesnt understand the whole purpose of Batman since the 1940's
🤦🏻♂️ erase this comment, don't embarrassed yourself anymore
@@fernandoalencar5287Despite the fact that there may or may not be multiple continuities where bats killed(some not all)
That’s right, he doesn’t. That would defeat the entire purpose of the character if he did.
Nobody remembers what Val’s Batman or George’s Batman did! 🖐️we can’t see them🖐️
I agree wholeheartedly with Zack Snyder.