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Vegan Diets, Insulin Resistance, & the Randle Cycle with Bart Kay
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- Опубликовано: 22 сен 2022
- Is it possible to eat a healthy Vegan Diet? Is Insulin Resistance real? The Randle Cycle explained! All this and much more in todays potentially explosive discussion.
Prof Bart Kay spent 25 years in academia as a senior lecturer specializing in the physiology of rest and exercise, human nutrition, cardiovascular pathophysiology, and pure and applied statistics. Bart also has published a number of peer reviewed research papers and has also completed a number of high profile external consultants, such as the New Zealand All Blacks, the Australian and New Zealand Defense Forces, and the NRL referees association.
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Prof Bart Kay - WOW - now THIS guy gets it and doesn't dish out BS - that deserves respect, I am impressed.
No health issues due to diet and I have not eaten fruit or veg since I was 13, now 57, recently cut ALL wholegrains from my diet.
Has Dr Kay ever admitted he doesn't know something ?
If that's the case that makes him a know it all ?
@@julienfroidevaux1143Idk if I understand your idea of what constitutes a know it all.
Maybe it’s because when he talks about a subject, he tends to actually have a handle on the material before he opens his mouth?
He doesn’t really venture much outside his fields of research. I wouldn’t call him a “know it all” for it. He comes across as someone who just doesn’t open their mouth unless they have an answer that they can explain in great detail.
He probably doesn't know much about ballet.
@@shellyseekinghealth😂
Working at a health food store (Meat dept.), the consensus I take away from the majority of Vegans I've encountered is that it is more of an animal treatment/rights issue to them than a dietary health issue. The perplexing thing to me is that in the wild, animal predators are incredibly brutal and merciless to their prey.
Lots of animals are killed farming vegetables too, birds, frogs, mice, moles, squirrels, chipmunks, snakes, turtles, hordes of insects and worms, and so on and so on.
I actually respect the animals rights part of the vegan argument. But their health arguments make no sense. Reminds me of the reefer madness saga - distortion of the truth for a political agenda.
This reminds me of a fugu fish video eating half of crawfish body alive. It’s just the way it is in nature.
When confronted by a vegetarian/vegan about raising and killing my own meat, I ask them if they have ever seen how a carnivore treats it's prey. Then I tell them when they have convinced all the predators to treat their prey "humanely" and to eat more carbs, then they might have a leg to stand on. I have a steer going to the butcher next month. He has had a great life running around with my goats. He gets chin rubs and neck scratches. He loves it. When his day comes, he won't know what hits him.
Veganism is an ideology based on feeling sympathy for animals, Nothing more.
my new Dr surprised me with an astounding agreement with this new "Keto" world. His personal experience has woke him up. WOW!. Now we can talk.
I was vegan for about 7 years. I lost 120lbs, but traded the weight for anxiety, severe food allergies, and MS. I did an AIP elimination diet, and through that, ended up eating a lot of meat again. I'm hoping it's not too late to get some of my health back.
I am 65 second month carnivore and feeling much better already. Just sat on the floor cleaning a cabinet and got up easily, steady on my feet and brain fog has cleared. I did not recover from surgery eating vegan, stayed weaķ and tired.
Sounds like mercury toxicity
How do you know it was MS and not Subacute Combined Degeneration (from vitamin B12 deficiency, etc)? What were your symptoms? Just interested because I've heard of people who've reported reversing MS with carnivore, particularly raw carnivore. MS and SCD are pretty similar. It makes me wonder if there is even any such thing as MS, and it's all just nutritionally related.
You may want to check out "Wahls Protocol byTerry Wahls, M.D." She's not talking theory but her own experience.
Do you have an update? I am currently carnivore and have convinced a friend with MS to join me.
Bart with the relaxed posture and expression that only those who fear no other intellect in their field, have.
Yes!! The John Gotti of Carnivore!!!
Bart is a grifter you m0r0n😂
@@kurasaki81 OK, then he's the John Rambo of grifters!!!
@@joepesci2658 that I can agree on.
@@kurasaki81 Thank you, I'm glad we found a peaceful solution to this pressing matter.
Growing up in the 50’s and 60’s, my mother frequently said “Eat your meat!” as we all sat at the dinner table. Not once did she say Eat your vegetables, even though we had plenty of fruit and veggies from her large gardens.
So true for many if us, our parents grew up with rationing. Meat was a treat during thier chikdhood and again during WW2. So we did not waste meat. Even our once a year turkey (carcass) was turned into soup after Thanksgiving. Funny, my Dad was diagnosed with diabetes at 42 and Mom reminded us not to eat sugar all the time. All 10 of us kids had/have with diabetes. She was right about sugar but now we know so much more. Wish my siblings would listen.
That’s incredible! You’re very blessed!
"How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!"
In the 60s My mom told me that plants were poisonous and what to peal and cook to oblivion to eliminate the poisons. People used to know this until the food industry marketing $$ propaganda erased our evolutionary knowledge and addicted us to poison.
Dr. Berry, you hit the nail on the head. Vegan diet is the diet people gravitate to when trying to be healthier until they find out it makes them ill and then the real diet research happens. That was exactly my story. Now, the low carb veggies are used like a condiment to my high fat Keto-Carnivore diet.
"they find out it makes them ill"
There's no mechanism for that.
AND, you're dabbling in anecdotes. Well I got an anecdote right here. I found out a high-fruit low-fat vegan diet is great. After 28 years, it's gotten me to 54 with none of the typical problems people get at my age.
So pull your head out of this rabbit hole.
I was so sick when on a vegan diet, that when I realized how dangerous it was for me...besides gaining 100 lbs, etc... i looked extremely unhealthy. My d.l. picture showed how ill i looked. I looked like I was about to die at any moment. It may work for some but not for me.
@@GaryHighFruit how long have you been vegan? Assuming WFPB?
@@ED-wired He/she says they have been vegan 28 years.
@@GaryHighFruit It is one thing to express your pleasure and success as a vegan, fine. It is another to criticize someone else's experience and tell them to get their head out of a hole. Tacky on either side just makes that person look less credible. The valid point is that many people, over time, find they need meat to feel good again. I myself had people I knew, him and her yoga instructors and her also a massage therapist. She got quite ill until she added back meat. She made point of telling me this as I knew them before as vegans and she was warning me. I am happy you found what works for you. Some day we will discover why some people seem to do well as vegans and others don't. I suspect it has to do with the microbiome. Wishing you well.
I’m a new Bart Kay fan; I’ve watched 2 interviews with him on other carnivore channels in the last 2 days, including “No Carb Life.” I am SO impressed with Bart and his knack for explaining our biochemistry, digestion, and physiology, which I find interesting on its own. Bart makes it fascinating! Thank you for having him on your channel, Dr. Berry! 🙏
he's great when interviewed, not so much on his own channel, he's good but comes off too salty
Thank you both. I'm 76 and much healthier than when I was a vegan. Dr Berry, you were the first person I found that led me to a keto/carnivore life style and I try to learn something everyday. Thank you both again.
I have been carnivore for nearly two years and have had labs done twice, one a year. Both were good and this recent one just a few weeks ago was damn near perfect line straight down. With the exception of urea nitrogen but that was only one point over normal. My lipid panel was normal as well and feeling as good as I do, I will never be vegan or go back to the SAD! Thank you both for sharing your knowledge!
Ms. Amy, such an encouraging report! I’m 66 (turning 67 in two weeks,) and getting labs done soon. Been zero carb for 3 weeks now.
@@vibrantly50 I’m 47 and it’s wonderful. Years ago I would have never believed that beef and butter are truly all humans need to thrive but here we are. I posted a small video on my channel of my results.
@@vibrantly50 I've heard some of the carnivore doctors say that you need to wait at least 6 months after starting the carnivore way of eating then get blood work done to begin to see the beneficial effects of it.
@@romns103 sometimes; but sometimes you need 6 months for the lipid profile to "even out" after some metabolic shifting as your body adapts. Some people really need a long time before they notice differences physically by symptom, weight, or measurements.
as a carnivore do you eat fruit i do but it would be intresting to get your take on not eating fruit
if you dont eat fruit
Hey, I’m a truck mechanic and I understood everything 🤷🏼♂️😂
Explain to use please
Hey, truck mechanics are incredible problem solvers and highly intelligent!
@@d.bcooper2271 Eat meat, be healthy.
Thirteen years ago, a hair analysis done by a holistic practitioner revealed many things. One was that I was low on both potassium AND salt. She said, "You must get your potassium AND salt up, or your glucose levels will edge up within the next few years. Your ratio is currently 1:1. Shoot for 3K to 1Na."
The woman was amazing. She turned out to be SO right.
What did you eat to increase the potassium ?
@@snowyowl6892 I was not on keto then, so potatoes, melons, greens, bananas....the usual. Avocado was something I began eating much later.
@@snowyowl6892 oh and beans.
I am no longer insulin resitance, according to my blood results, because I have followed this advice. Thank you.
I am now trying to educate my family and friends.
I also was vegan for around 2 years, from 2017 to little over 2019. When I was a teen I had anorexia but my relationship with food was at it's worst when I was a vegan 20 y old, to say the least. The sugar cravings were so bad I had started binge eating for the first time in my life. The brain fog so bad I struggled with simple things, so I took a blood test.. Turned out I had b12 and iron deficiencies despite taking a vegan targeted multivitamin that was supposed to be enough according to the bottle. I felt so betrayed by the people that were advertising how taking vitamins would be enough and how you don't need animal products.. It became clear to me that if I want to live I have to eat animal products, which was devastating to me. Genuinely thought about the other option of "un-living" too, that's how brainwashed by veganism I was, I believed animals deserved to exist more than I did. Morally I still don't enjoy it but it's a choice I make to keep living.
i was whole foods plant based before, now im carnivore. less animals die for my carnivore diet. when i was whole foods plant based, i had to eat around 2kg(4.4 pounds) worth of food in a day, and still had to take supplements. how many animals would have to die all for that? lots of animals die and are displaced from their habitats thanks to large scale plant agriculture. lots of agrochemicals would also be used which harm animals and peopIe. they say that a single cow can feed an entire family for a year. but what if a family is vegan? how much food and supplements would they need just to stay barely alive? how many animals would have to die for all of that toxic, nutrient poor vegan food and industrially produced supplements shipped from across continents?
now, i just eat meat. around 1 or 2 pounds in a day. the meat is locally produced in my country. they dont have to be shipped from across continents. the animals i eat give me lots of nutrients. i dont need supplements at all! my health improved so much that now i almost feel superhuman. i feel faster, stronger and smarter than even back when i was in my teens. life also seems happier now for some reason. i cant explain it, but.. i just feel happy and motivated in life!
im no longer naive to think that i can live without taking life. now i just value and celebrate the fact that i can eat meat and survive. i make sure that the life i take is not wasted
@@scamdem1c Hello ! I very much agree with you on that point ! When I went ketovore/carnivore and transitioned from 3 pot-fillings poops a day to 1 tiny poop a day, it baffled me how much of my "food" was going to waste before and how wasteful that was... Beef might take more resources to grow than corn, but you don't expel most of it after eating it, and you don't get sick in the process and the waste water treatment plant at the end of the pipe doesn't receive as much pollution 🙄
I’m so proud of you with your recovery and excellent choices. I was a vegetarian and then vegan for a couple years and developed migraines and terrible joint pain. I kept researching diets with the aim of tackling my migraine problem as I heard about trigger foods. Over time I’ve discovered that nearly every food except meat and eggs and dairy (except for cheese) trigger inflammation and thus pain for me. I’m also recovering from various eating disorders as well and carnivore really helps with that as sugar is such a problem for me triggering my desire to binge and purge and restrict as well. I was vegan for mainly ethical reasons as well and resisted eating animals but when you think about it, most animals eat other animals. Would we deny our cats or dogs, etc of their species appropriate diet because of ethics? No, of course not because to do so would destroy their health, which is unethical. It’s the way things work, it’s natural and we can’t change that.
At least cows help develop topsoil through rumination and their fertilizing with poop. Plants delete the topsoil. Every time soil is turned over/plowed for planting, the micro-organisms are exposed to light and die. Most castle, contrary to the lies vegans have been sold, live regular cow lives eating grass and chewing their cud and have just one bad moment when they die.
Thank you for sharing your personal journey! I’m seriously considering carnivore now after being vegan 6 years. Still wrapping my mind around some things
With ketovore/omad fasting in just 2 months i went from size 18/20 down to size 12/14. I am happy that i don't have to take those poison meds anymore,that i took them since 2006. Thank you dr. Berry for saving my life from diabities,high blood preasure and thyroid problems that i use to suffer from. Thank you Nesha for all your recipes. God bless your family😀👌💚💙💜❤🧡💛
Once I went OMAD doing carnivore, that’s when the weight started dropping for me.
Me too but even faster. Yeah
I am 58 next month, fit as anything for most of my life. The last 18 months saw my blood pressure at 200/120, fatty liver, triglycerides up, cholesterol a bit up, kidney function down to 64 etc. I was 85kg for many years. After going to keto 6 weeks ago or so, and various supplements for 12 mths, my weight has gone under 80kg for the first time in years, stomach bloating reduced dramatically, ceased blood pressure meds a few weeks ago and my BP has been normal and my kidney function has returned closer to normal. Now just have to establish new ways of shopping and cooking - 2 meals a day, zero hunger in between. Go Keto!
Did you come off thyroid meds?
I’ve been vegetarian not vegan for 18yrs. & suffering rosacea & other conditions & gained weight. A friend of mine used to be vegan for 2drcades & stared to have health issues, she introduced to keto, now full time ketovore, loosing weight & health issues improve tremendously. I now eat meat 80% & on the road to getting better.
Thanks for your knowledge, love your videos & 👪 family.
Coming from a background of being somewhat meat-phobic and even more so fat-phobic, my eyes have been widening to widths I never knew they could reach. I'm grateful to have access to this information!!
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Wow, I learned so much from this video. It makes perfect sense to me. Our ancestors didn’t need spears, arrows and clubs to sneak up on corn stalks. They risked their lives to provide meat for their families……..it was that important. Keep up the good work and kudos to Mr. Kay. He did a great job. Please bring him back for future discussions.
Hey, thanks!
Just because our ancestors ate a lot of meat (at least in some regions) doesn't mean that eating a lot of meat is health promoting in the longterm.
@@Jonas56746 just because our ancestors and relatives(in some regions) eat a lot of grains and vegetables doesn't mean it's health promoting in the long term.
@@roberth721 So you agree with me that just because our ancestors did something doesn't mean it is good for us?
Sure
I actually got my GP on board with my carnivore diet (I'm fighting cancer) and he has put his ailing wife on it as well. Next up: the conversion of my (young) specialist who has taken a wait-and-see outlook since thus far, I have not deteriorated. If only I could get my vegan hubby and my sceptical relatives on board as well, or at least stop trying to force me to "at least take suppliments for god's sake!". Great video.
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You're so courageous ! Don't let your family stress You. There are many people at Your side walking this path now
It would be a good idea to add electrolytes to your water
Dr Chaffee has two recent cancer shows on his channel 👍
I have been carnivore since the end of January. I had a number of auto immune issues and have continued to take certain supplements, as I continue to improve I’ll take fewer, but probably never stop them completely. I have seen amazing benefits since making the change to a proper human diet.
Hope you are doing well
The details of the Randall cycle begins at appointment 48 minutes ... for any of you who to listen to this section to understand it
Two of my favorite ppl, but at the end of the day I am definitely a member of the Meat Militia. Awesome to see Bart Kay on your channel!
Dr. Berry appears strong, healthy and younger than his actual age. Whatever he’s doing is working for him. 😊
I think he looks healthy but I do think he looks his age.
@@dogcrazy25 You really think he looks like he's in his mid 50s? He looks mid 40s
I do believe he's full carnivore and has been for over a year perhaps.
@@Jeff.78 Longer actually.
The same goes for Bart Kay. Well I look 20 years younger then my actual age 😀 for
1. I have good genes inherent from both sides of my family
2. I only ate an almost vegetarian lifestyle for 2 years before I went Keto and then Carnivore
3. I thrive on Carnivore
My chronic PMS tension headaches and pre-menstrual bloating went completely away when I added meat back into my diet after 13 years being lacto veg. So I for one can attest to meat being anti-inflammatory.
Legends! Thank you both so much for what you do!
Its a pleasure (mostly). lol.
I find the explanation a bit unfinished. So here is my try:
If you eat carbs only they end up in the blood stream and the cells will take them up until they are at max energy capacity and will then close the gate leaving the excess carbs in the blood stream.
If you eat fats only they end up in the blood stream and the cells will take them up until they are at max energy capacity and will then close the gate leaving the excess fats in the blood stream.
BUT if you only eat fats the insulin level stays low as the body doesn't need it to convert sugar to fat to store it in the fat cells, because you ate no sugar.
The excess fat can just be stored in the fat cells.
If you now live on your cells will use up some of their storage and after a while they need new energy.
As insulin is low your body can instantly use the fat from the fat cells and replenish the cells as they slowly open up their gates depending on how much they still got in store.
BUT if you only eat sugar the insulin skyrockets and the body will use it to convert sugar to fat, and the insulin will veeeery slowly go back down.
Then after a while of living on your cells slowly need new energy and open up their gates BUT insulin is still high so your body tries to get some fat out, but insulin just constantly pushes it back into the fat cells, thus leaving your body in an energy lock, where it is slowly using up the storages in the cells but can't deliver new energy from the fat cells.
As the body has now locked itself out of it's own energy the only thing it can do to get anything into the cells is to make you eat more.
Thus repeating the cycle.
Now you are constantly hungry and constantly putting more energy in your fat storage making you fatter and fatter.
Some people will get used to this and have faster falling insulin levels but they probably never fall fast enough to allow them to fully run on fat fast enough before they become too hangry again.
I'm probably not 100% right, but this is how i currently understand it.
Absolutely wonderful duo here! This deserves to go viral! Thank you Dr Berry and Prof Kay for educating the masses - we are hugely indebted to both of you! Keep up the good fight!
Did vegan for 10 months after getting brainwashed by Vegan gurus Marc and Vicki Sorenson during a month stay at a health spa (National Institue of Fitness) in Ivans Utah in the early 90s...lost 100 LBS but never felt optimal in terms of energy levels and experienced brain fog and mood swings often...was always craving meat, eggs, and fats... At 63 I started keto-vore April 2022, have dropped weight from 325 to 255 and more important: A1c from 8.5 to 5.7. I am feeling good, have lots of energy, greatly reduced back and joint pain, improved mood and eyesight and a more optimistic outlook on life.
Excellent collaboration between these two! Bart explained the Randle Cycle clearly and succinctly. It makes clear sense!
What a fantastic show with such well-explained, useful information. Thank you both, Doctors, so much.
I was once Vegan for two years my Diabetes went through the roof.
Thanks to the likes of you Dr Berry now after first being Keto for 12 months and now Ketovore! I let alone have a Glucose sugar level sitting around 5.2 but I no longer need medication.
I do however drink Green, Black, White, yellow and Red tea.
By the way I only can physically only eat one standard meal every 24 hours.
Thank you both! The world needs to understand fruit and and half the veg are dangerous to the human body.
@@veganix6757 Considering carbohydrates are turned into sugar, and long-term high blood sugar leads to insulin resistance, which leads to several maladies, the study is not necessary when you simply use logic based on facts about human physiology.
Step away from the kale and just enjoy your bacon.
@@veganix6757 I am talking from my own experience! Not my fault if you are Vegan and have just been proven other wise.
Did I say I do not eat veg! No I told you I do! But veg like potatoes etc are high in carbs and from my own experience blow your blood sugar levels through the roof.
I also treat myself now and then too strawberries and full fat cream! All berries are low carb the same with all leafy greens are low carb.
I have an extra advantage I grow all my veg! Cabbage, lettuce, Spinach, Kale, Onions, garlic etc etc etc.
Also I eat around 5 Avocados a week! As they are basically a natural multi Vitamin tablet.
Eating only Grass fed meat, fish from the sea and grass fed outdoor Chicken eggs is the way to go.
I was a vegan for two years and my blood glucose went from 10 to a serious dangerous 16.
Went Keto in August last year! Within 5 months my A1c is now sitting at around 5.2 everyday and am now off all Diabetic medication.
I think the results should prove to you????....yes😑.
@@veganix6757 brussel sprouts has at least a 160 known cancerogens.
@@veganix6757 , put a CGM (continuous glucose monitor) on all vegan diabetics so they can watch what happens to their blood glucose.
Read "Why We Get Sick" by Benjamin Bikman, PhD. High blood glucose and high blood insulin are both damaging to the body.
Watch the RUclips channel Beat Diabetes. There are a lot of people who test their blood glucose before eating something and, then, several times after eating it. Watch that channel to find out how they test and to find out the results.
@@veganix6757 are those randomized and controlled studies? I thought so, back to not dr Gregor you go
My wife and I used to watch Naked and Afraid! They were constantly looking for protein. One couple had found all the banana’s they could eat, but still it wasn’t enough. They kept looking for protein. Their bodies wasn’t satisfied with fruit! All shows, protein was the only thing everyone look for!
"They were constantly looking for protein"
because US society teaches that myth.
"One couple had found all the bananas they could eat, but still it wasn’t enough"
Yeah it is. Did you know there's a diet called "30 bananas a day". Also the 80/10/10 diet is mostly fruit. These communities have elite athletes.
"Their bodies wasn’t satisfied with fruit! "
That's a feeling that happens when the digestive system is used to heavy foods, and running on 'high gear'.
You clearly do not understand amino acid profiles which differ between fruit and meat. The lump sum total in fruit is not only less, but the amino acid profile of fruit is lacking the critical bottleneck aminos. The two sources are not equivalent. Furthermore I look on RUclips at the mostly fruit crowd and I see a lot of very skinny people. Compare the top 5 carnivore RUclipsrs to the top 5 fruits RUclipsrs. Massive difference. SAD!
Interesting concept- the all fruit diet… I’d expect an issue unless your genetic lineage evolved in tropical climates where fruit could actually be found in the wild… otherwise sounds like a problem for people who have a lineage from colder climates where only food source was meat
I’ve been watching ALONE and it’s exactly the same they’re all looking for animal protein regardless of their plant knowledge and intake. To the fruit guy who claims it’s all psychological 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 clearly you have no idea what you’re saying. These people are in STARVATION mode there is no amount of social conditioning that would prevent them from sourcing anything to keep them going. Those lacking sufficient animal meat tap out or are taken out due to medical conditions from lack of protein, animal meat.
They are each motivated to stay bc they can win $500,000. If they can’t push through on a veg diet for $500,000 then what could be the problem? Lack of animal protein.
@@GaryHighFruita frutitarian elite athlete? Nam one.
I’ve been listening to Bart Kay for years! He’s a walking brain 🧠 glad to see you had him on here.
Me too!!!!
Dr. Berry, thanks for yet another fantastic interview, and thank you too Prof Kay for taking time out of your life for us. I love the no nonsense approach.
This is excellent information. Thank you, to the two of you, for discussing this.
Thank you Dr. Berry for having Prof. Bart Kay as your guest. He's a wealth of knowledge, and I, for one, enjoy his no-nonsense approach. I hope more people become familiar with his work and educate themselves.
Excellent discussion. Thank you both for taking the time to really expand on the dangers of eating both a high fat and high carb diet at the same time. And also exposing the misinformation propagated by many influencers in the vegan and high carb space.
I was a vegetarian for 30 years, ended up with arthritis in both hips, depression, and anxiety. I just watched the video on plant proteins that cause autoimmune disease, if I had known that, I NEVER would have gone vegetarian. Needless to say I have been doing Carnivore for two months and taking methylene blue, my pain is down from a 9 to a two. I also use infrared light therapy, too.
I love your reference to us pharmacists...so sad and true. That's why myself and another pharmacist ventured into functional medicine
So, I am trained in anthropology as my foundation. I think where I find the most conflict in these narratives is in our physical hardwiring for seeking out sweetness. As Berry indicates, there was a survival reason for seeking out sweetness. While obviously we have access to too much carbohydrate abundance now, there was a time in our history would these would have been great energy stores in a time when we were incredibly physical. For example, humans have been eating honey and fruit as far back as we have any type of physical evidence. So the fact that we have sweet seeking genes, if you will, tells me that there is something that the body wants from that. It is not just a poison, as Bart suggests. It may be of course poisonous in excess, but that is a different statement. I recognize that it may be some of us simply can't have it now, because we cannot moderate and we are not living a life which requires such a enormous physicality that it is handled through other balancing systems which would have been natural in the past. But I think it's disingenuous to present it as an absolute poison that our bodies don't need and wouldn't seek, because that is contrary to all that evidence. I also observe that in hot climates, using glucose as fuel is a much more prevalent and typically well-managed tendancy. There's a reason why all the sweetest fruit tends to be equatorial, it seems. I don't even myself like very sweet fruits, but when I am in the tropics, having them is not only refreshing but seems to be kind of all that one wants. I rarely would want to eat meat or anyting overly savory. But in that case, I am not really combining fat and carbs, but rather naturally switching from one fuel base to the other. I do think there is something to the notion of climate and the foundation of one's diet. This would obviously have to do with historical availability, but I think also there are probably biological reasons.
We’ll said.
Our next meal was never guaranteed so it makes sense that we would consume whatever food we can find. Sugar would not have been available very often so we would have consumed as much as we could to fatten ourselves up.
Thanks; I love nuance. As a low res version, sugar = poison is probably ok for the typical American who's way on the other extreme (cola / energy drinks, pastries). But for example the honey treat at Indian restaurants I'm not avoiding with a filling meal, as my nutrition is otherwise healthy.
@@derekteetv how do you define “healthy?” Do you avoid all grains, including the rice so prevalent at Indian restaurants, and all the legume-based foods there? And the industrial seed oil-fried things like papadums, samosas, and pakoras? What about things like saag paneer, or bangan bharta? Both loaded with oxalate and solanine, respectively? Do you eat purely carnivore at an Indian restaurant? That would be a good trick, in my experience.
I enjoy an occasional Snickers bar😬
Dr Berry your my kinda if MD! “Break it down for Joe Blow terms” I am nurse and have been told by other staff that I am “ to direct and blunt” at times. Can’t help it my daddy raised me that way, but my patients (Hospice)😊, appreciate it so much. A lot of people are afraid to say “ I don’t understand “.Ty for breaking down for us all, well done!
so glad to hear Prof. Kay clearly...he was great!
23:20 .. it makes sense to me. It's almost like when some is talking about pickles to me, or even typing this now, makes my mouth instantly start to salivate!
P. S. I, too, was vegan for about 1 year...trying to bring myself away from the Pre-diabetes state. Trying to lose weight and more.
My Dr. instantly wanted to put me on Metformin. I said NO.
Almost 63, never been on meds...i believe we can turn things around almist always 100% with diet.
Thankful i found this. Been carnivore since Feb 9, 2023
LOVE IT!
NO.MORE.CRAVINGS.OR.CRASHES
I thought Gregor was so spot on about so much... I did vegan, which got me away from the crap I was eating. I did feel better, BUT, something was missing.... the problem was grains, sugar (which I see vegans eat plenty).
As an elder, I was disgusted by the fact that I couldn't see my male danlge when standing at attention... for years. This bothered me, big time.
In late 2021 I got covid. On my back in bed I had time to think, and to watch videos. After seeing Dr. Berg, Tom DeLaur a few others, I came across you talking about carnivore. What?
I decided that it was time to give keto/carnivor a try. It took about a month to ween myself off of carbs, and dealing with digestion issues, but it all faded. The weight came off, and in short order, saw my appendage again.
3 months after starting the diet, I went for hemheroid surgury (had em since my 20's). The doc, while he was there, checked my prostate. In a suprised voice he said, "your prostate is normal." I am an elder, and was told for well over decade, "this is normal for your age."
It then hit me. This diet is about health, not just losing weight. For well over a decade, I had an enlarged prostate, and was having urinary issues. They're all gone now. I pee like I did decades ago.
Interestingly... all my vegan friends are fat, minimally, they have a "layer."
I now wish I had more energy, recovered from workouts, hard work, quicker. Now what?
Keep at it! Changes don't happen overnight, but you'll continue to improve. I'm carnivore for 3.5 years, age 64, and haven't been as healthy as I am now since in my 20s.
Try working HIIT workouts into your routine-best energy pump I’ve found!
On carnivore you don’t have to work out as hard as before. Muscle pop out with less work.
Apologies, but for clarity, we're you talking about your penis, when you said "appendage". I know that's a blunt ask, but I feel that's what you meant. Dont want to put words in your mouth that you didn't say.
Loved this - the Randle cycle - eventually got it - thank you Bart ! More like this you two-such an excellent video ❤️
When I eliminated refined vegetable/seed oils from my diet, and replaced it with natural saturated fats in my food and cooking, OMG, what a difference in joint pain, inflammation of my gut, and bloating.
Great information! Really enjoyed seeing Bart on your channel surviving for over an hour without cursing!
The best long term study we have on diet is human evolution.
an even dozen words, perfectly expressed!!! Kudos.
I like seeing Bart behaving kindly...you are a good influence on him Dr. Berry. Looking forward to seeing you chat with Joey Schwartz (carnivore camaraderie) some day 👍
I kinda like him behaving badly too. Life isn’t so serious 😉
@@Janeoffools I can't watch when he stoops to that level and would never share those with loved ones. I'm far from serious in life, but farther from childish
There is definitely a place for Bart’s caustic approach, in my opinion.
This aged like milk 😂
Hey! im a truck mechanic and i understood the randle cycle! Take that back!
Thanks Bart for your effort to popularize the randle cycle, I believe if main stream health system give more attention to randle cycle, we could have eradicated more than 90% of modern chronic diseases. I strongly recommend everyone to give more attention to randle cycle and try to understand it.
Great walkthrough of the Randle Cycle from Bart. I understood this better when I looked at a cell diagram. The blue area in these 2 diagrams (one for fat flow and the other for glucose flow) are outside of the cell (so the blue is the blood stream) and the peach (CYTO) and green (MITO) are inside the cell. The problem with this Randle Cycle diagram is that everything inside a cell (the nucleus, the Mitochondrion, Lysosome, Ribosomes, and a few more thingies) are all "swimming" in a pool of the CYTO. Meaning that the the MITO is actually a thingy that floats in the CYTO along with the nucleus and all the other aforementioned thingies. The change in color to green for the MITO illustrates a Mitochondrion thingy as a different colour but may lead one to think that the MITO sits outside the CYTO but is doesnt. Clear as mud?
Absolutely fantastic. Brilliant description of the Randal cycle. Well done guys and thank you
Great to see you both together!
The collab I’ve been waiting for. 😊
Getting these two in a room together (even virtually) is a riot! Awesome and informative interview!
I had a hard time hanging in there on the technicalities of the Randle Cycle, even though I have a degree in microbiology and a strong background in biochemistry and physiology. I did get it, but I wonder how many of the rest of the audience did. However, I liked getting into the nitty gritty of the mechanisms and thank you both for explaining these nuances. I was already familiar with Bart Kay from years ago, long before I came across Dr. Berry. I believe they have indeed closed out the vegetarian philosophy for good. (even though Bart is a potty mouth), he has been at the tip of the spear for this and has been one of the early advocates for the carnivore diet. I believe time is proving him correct.
I tried to follow along but it was just too much and I skipped ahead to where that chart was gone
I agree with everything you said, except his pottymouth is great.... We have to be strong and convincing against idiot vegans and charlatans!
Craig! Since you understand all this stuff pretty well…can you scroll up and see my comment about my glucose? I just posted…it’s up towards top. I’m just curious about this
@@leighbayouth3209 Sorry I checked for any other posts of yours but I could find none. For some reason they do not show up on my feed.
I’m lean, very active, a bit underweight , fat adapted for a few years. I eat a mostly carnivore diet. My Glucose is almost always between 100-125. Only time I’ve ever seen it lower is at night, around bedtime…then maybe in low 90s. I’m guessing this is Adaptive Glucose Sparing and nothing to be concerned with? My fasting insulin blood test came back very low though…like 2.4, so I do feel like it’s just a physiological thing going on because of the high protein/ very low carb.
Great video with two of my favorite health experts!
Excellent interview! Love both you guys!
Great Video Dr.Berry!!! Thank You both for this “refreshing “ interview!!! Love&light from California 💖💖
Well Pat, I am a 73 year old woman who has been a vegan for 4 years. I am 5'4", weigh 125 and have tested for nutrients etc in my body. I am energetc and healthy. In fact, I hike up to 6 miles frequently and otherwise go to the gym and walk 3-5 times a week. So, vegans who gain a weight or become diabetic confuses me. Best of luck. I am happy with my diet and btw before I started this diet this diet I had 2 Docs who told me I was insulin resistant. Have not heard of this from a doctor since. BTW, rarely do I eat fruit.
I also was vegan for 3 years ….I thought it was a healthy diet until I thought I was diabetic….thanks to dr berry and all the information I learned going keto in December 2021…now ketovore. Thank God my blood test came back ok no diabetes…A1A 5.2! And lot 15 lbs… in 2 months….
Hooray! You have made such a HUGE positive improvement in your health.
Your changing peoples lives in the Uk as well Dr Berry thank you x
Thanks for the explanation of the Randle cycle and how it explains a lot of what happens in so-called 'metabolic syndrome'. I'll be checking out more of Bart Kay's work.
For anyone still on the fence about the carb vs fat debate. Look at Dr Gregor's belly vs Dr Berry's belly.
Yes, Michael Greger is putting on weight around his belly, for sure. Hard to find a picture that includes his torso, but managed to find one.
@@hollyberry7145 Teenage girls have better muscles than Gregor. He looks like he curls up and eventually he will look like wallnut or something
Or you could compare Durian rider belly, make Bart and Ken look like formless hung salami sausages. Actually I don’t believe all DR says but I’m just highlighting the fallacy of your argument.
@@888jucu Durian rider is on steriods. Can not compare.
@@poohbear3027 more recently yes but you can go back and see the guy has been lean his whole life.
I hope you bring bart over again for other "complicated" subjects like Randle cycle, this is interesting!
Fantastic interview!! Entirely Keto since Aug 2010...never looked back.🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸
Brilliant chat.. with those two. Brilliant doctors / professor... thank you both
Bravo ...very informative interview...please repeat as it's a complex subject that it gets out as a solid argument in food discussions (beside the pleasure of learning).
I'm a truck mechanic. I must be doing it wrong because I understood virtually everything.
That's because we can make the transition of what the best fuel for a truck is compared to our body. Our bodies need more fat as fuel, like an old whale oil lamp, if you will.
Better learn to become electrician. EVs are the future
This is a brilliant discussion, full of truth and facts. I am a nurse in Australia and our health system is just as frustrating!! Drs are definitely well trained monkeys 🙉
Too true. Good to get an inside view
With a few exceptions, Western trained physicians belong on the same "Trust List" as auto mechanics, used car salesman, lawyers, Long Term Care Insurance companies, and federal governments.
it is absolutely mind boggling that so many great countries have lost their way as far as keeping people healthy, or teaching them how to be healthy. All these nations are in thrall to the chemical companies, food companies, big pharma, big agriculture. And big money is bankrolling the medical schools who teach humans to be prescription writing robots.
YESSS!! 😃 The (painfully) exciting wait for this episode is FINALLY over. Thank you Dr. Berry and Professor Bart for your work.
Love hearing from Dr. Berry and Prof. Bart.
You're welcome.
Two of my favorite health food guys in a conversation. 👍 Keep it up spreading some intelligence.
So grateful to Drs that are BRAVE enough to tell the truth about NUTRITION! I have been doing Kete for about 18 months with AMAZING results!!
Do another Bart and Ken ASAP.
This is such an important discussion. I am going to recommend it to everyone I know, including doctors and pharmacists.
I pay close attention to my body signals and going vegan for a year messed me up. Never lost any weight, may have even gained some. Felt weak and bruised easily. Before my vegan trial, I did keto for a few months but the detox symptoms were too much for me and I gave in. Wish I would have held out through the detox phase. Back on keto and feel so much better. The fat consumption is so filling. And I eat maybe twice a day. Already losing weight. :)
Same. I tried the vegan diet for 3-4 years and felt horrible. Gaines wait. High blood pressure. Brain fog. Just felt like something was missing. Switch over to the carnivore diet now going on three weeks and what a huge improvement. Best I felt in a long time
Love this! Thank you for being real!
Great video… thank you both…really enjoyed that !
I love Dr. Barry’s sarcasm!!!!
I, (30yo) have had sore knees since highschool. I have done keto 4 times, and I am 11 days into carnivore. Every time I attain ketosis, my knees stop throbbing and I can walk slowly down the stairs in my house without discomfort. I am also regaining my above average photographic memory, which I thought was lost forever. I think it's the DHA and Lyso-DHA from sockeye salmon and salmon caviar, respectively.
Well Bart talks shit about seafood too. 🙄
Great talk, with many insights. I have been a carnivore for 2 years, I am up for the inflammation study. Regards, Ralph
Wonderful Interview! Thank you both!
Bart Kay is fantastic! Thank you for having him on!
Thanks for sharing, Dr Berry 🙂
Good work doc. 👏
Excellent chat.
Wonderful interview, love this!!!!
This is great! Thank you!
Two Great Minds Working Together to Help Others Whom Struggle With Their Health… Professor Bart Kay is a No Bullshit Approach Doctor as is Dr. Berry and Dr. Robert Cywes… Thank You My Doc for Having Doctor Kay on Your Podcast 🥩
You two are the best. I love the way you play off each other. Going to see interviews with Rick. Already know Joey and enjoy his channel.
Excellent interview. Thank you gentlemen.
This is such a great video.
Informative!! THANK YOU!!
Prof. Bart is an excellent guest. Very informative and very, very well done.
Times are a'changing. My new doc ~ 40ish asked about my diet re: cholesterol. I said I eat very small amounts of carbs. I told her I never eat fruit. Her response... There's nothing wrong with that. That actually surprised the heck out of me.
Great content!
I was low fat/high carb vegan for 3.5 years and destroyed my health terribly. I developed ME/CFS and couldn't do university even though I was the top student in my high school academically. It's taken me years to be able to do keto and regain some sense of my old identity
Same here! How are you doing now?
@Mike loads better, but still not able to exercise without Post Exertional Malaise. Feel like I'm on the right track now though. Have regained a lot of functionality and lower stress
@@rosannahF thanks for your reply! I'm encouraged that it helped you. I know as well as you do not to be looking for a cure-all in diet but, yes, I'm doing it for the very reasons you mentioned ie better mental health, more calm so I can hopefully build on that and calm the nervous system. It's early days but mood and stress-wise, I feel much better, which is worth it in itself
Just watching, this morning! Hello from NC
Brilliant information. Thank you both so much.