Advanced Speedrunning Principles - Episode 2: How To Practice
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Merry Christmas! Next episode will be on the importance of video analysis.
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Hey Karl.
I'm a PhD student focusing in education and learning techniques, as well as a fellow musician. First, the information you've presented here is awesome.
One thing I would suggest you address if you ever touch on this topic again is the importance of splitting up practice sessions within individual days. There is literature suggesting that classical musicians who practice in the morning, take "study breaks," and practice more in the afternoon/evening tend to end up getting the most out of their sessions. It's not fully understood why, but the current hypotheses are that the break allows for 1) same-day neural/muscle memory development in the areas of practice, and/or 2) a break from the monotony of practice (minimizing diminishing returns in the routine due to boredom).
Again, excellent content. I'm excited to see more.
Yep. There's a free MOOC called "Learning How to Learn" on Coursera, and these techniques are in agreement with that course teaches.
I love meta-learning. Indeed, it was a part of my life and i think great speedrunners, gamers, athletes KNOW how to practice. Especially speedrunners, we put thousand and hours of practice just to get that few minute record.
These videos transcend the scope of speedrunning.
It's true. While I was listening to it, I was thinking about how to apply it to studying Japanese
Well, he did say at the beginning of the video, that speedrunning principles can apply to many situations in real life. 0:40
Two other techniques that I observed from learning to play lots of technical songs on guitar:
1. Time spent contemplating something is a valuable substitute for actually practicing. Just imagining doing something is almost as good as the real thing.
2. Practicing motor skills is not mentally taxing. Finding ways to incorporate your practice with other forms of entertainment can be massively beneficial, because it reduces the feeling that practice is a chore. For speedrunning (and I'd bet most already do this) watch youtube videos or listen to podcasts or just have anything else in the background whilst you practice. For me, I used to run scales on my guitar whilst watching television, and I'd keep my guitar right next to my computer so that when I was playing WoW or something else, I could grab it during loading or waiting times and just fiddle a little bit.
Summary:
Make your practice efficient, but also make it rewarding and positive. Obsess over your goal and turn it into a passion that you love performing and thinking about 24/7
My father was actually a pianist and he knows the piano so well that he doesn't even learn music at the piano anymore, he just reads the music and once he knows it well enough, he moves to the piano to improve it there.
I think it's also necessary to test what you're imagining in the game, though, since using a controller requires more accuracy than playing a piano or a guitar.
Id probably find a guitar harder than a controller, but a controller harder than a piano (depending on the complexity of the piece Im trying to play etc), but yes.
I really think practicing something and making sure you learn it well pays off huge dividends even years later
Please bring this series back
It really changes everything when you understand that you don't learn when you learn, but when you sleep.
No more excuses to not learn/practice everyday, gotta exploit dat REM cycle.
I watched both of the episodes in this series, it's honestly eye opening what they taught me, I will implement these ideas and strategies as efficiently as I can! I'll come back in around 6 to 12 months and tell yall how it all goes 😊
I'm learning a bunch of shit, and trying to get good as well as I can, this stuff is exactly what I needed, thank you so much you absolute legend ❤
Great advice that can indeed apply to basically anything that you want to learn. Love this series.
There's a lot of overlap with this and practising a musical instrument. You've helped solidify in my mind some ideas I've had for a while, thanks! I've often noticed that I can practise a bit of music over and over for hours and not get anywhere, and then sleep and try again the next day and play it perfectly first try! I remember the same happened once with a really hard boss fight on a game I was playing. Loving your videos, keep it up!
"What separates top players is the speed at which they learn new strategies and techniques."
*Speedrun practice Speedrun (ALL PARTS LEARNED 100% MEMORIZATION )*
I agree with most of your points for many years never reading about but indeed discovering them in life. One experience I'd like to add: Practicing several techniques a day over several days I like beginning on day 2 with the stuff I had last on day 1. Thus you get the sleep bonus plus temporal proximity plus relaxation between exercises both for the stuff you begin with and for the stuff you end on. This of course looks at those practicing whatever they are learning (sciences, languages, music, sport, gaming, you name it) over a significantly large portion of their days. As usual, great content, making the web a little more interesting. Keep it up!
Thanks for this great video Karl. I play a game where I must do a series of very precise inputs in order to do a clip that saves 7-8 seeconds. I know when the inputs are needed to be made in order to succeed the trick, but it so happened that most of my failed attemps I did the inputs too early. I watched your video and decided to try the trick for a short session, and I must say I instantly noticed improvedment as I forfefully decided to do the inputs later. Again, thanks. Looks like I'm going to have alot more attempts not dying to this clip.
Excellent stuff. For your next episode you should cover the art of hand and body tension management when playing. It's critical for getting beyond the beginner stages of learning piano and I'd anticipate it's similarly important for improving quickly in speedrunning.
8:57 this is huge. I came here for musical instrument practice ideas, and this wisdom nugget is much appreciated.
I have been watching your videos about 3 days, and like these a lot😊
In this video what you say that these methods work almost everything...i agree.
I've been playing on Xbox one Dirt Rally 2.0 about 5 years now, and you give me few new ideas how to learn to be better driver in it, and some others hobbies i have...
Thank you
Need episode three
Yaaay! Love this series, thanks Karl
No joke. I just watched this video today in between guitar recording sessions. I applied the over correcting idea when I was lagging, and it worked like magic.
Thanks brother.
One of your best videos imo and I think I’ve seen like 90% of them. What’s coincidence you uploaded it on Christmas
Had to come back to watch these videos again. Going to try to apply these principles to practicing with my balisong. Thanks for the tips!
"Talking about practice?" - Allen Iverson aka The Answer
The save state thing has been very helpful for me I find.
I'm currently the WR holder for a game called Batman Begins (Available on PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, I play PS2) and there were 3 skips (2 of which I'm the only one to attempt) which were really difficult to perform but save SO MUCH TIME, all 3 result in death if you fail so that doesn't really help, it's much worse than just falling out the stage for instance which would put you back on the map quickly.
One instance is with this pressure plate floor, the previous WR holder would make 3 jumps to avoid it, I managed to cut one off by jumping to the centre of it but...it look a fair few attempts of getting set on fire before I actually figured out where the trap WAS and how to avoid it.
Another was running out and past these armed thugs, the main issue was figuring out if I could get past without getting shot to death...I thought it was impossible at first but I eventually figured out how to screw with the A.I's aiming.
The last required me to glide down to drop kick one of the two armed thugs and use an item on the other, instantly k.o'ing him, remember how I mentioned getting shot...well, this time I''m getting up close rather than keeping my distance so if I don't perfectly execute it, death, run over. (Well, if I want to PB anyway)
This all was so much faster cuz death respawns take FOREVER, flicking back to a point in time is so much better.
Anyway, time to get posted to r/casuallymentionstheyrebetterthanyou
Hey Karl, Just wanted to say thanks. All the info in just these first two episodes so far has helped me PB a few times. Cheers.
As this video has been uploaded 2 year ago you will probably not read this but Thank you for the video I learned a lot watching it and I will probably learn a lot more by putting all I learn in practice ;)
by the way i'm not a speedrunner but you made me love this even if i'm not in to it
These videos are exceptionally well done. Thank you for this amazing content.
I have found it quite useful for some games, to practice playing at a higher speed than I will have to run at - I would slowly amp the speed up 1-2% until I felt I had hit a wall where I was still performing properly, and play at that speed for a while on and off, or for a little while each day until it stuck. The effect of this tends to be that playing at 'regular speed' then feels slow, because you have begun to train yourself into playing, thinking, and making split second decisions, that much quicker. So margins of reaction that felt tight before now feel quite comfortable.
Another excellent music choice Karl.
The "set amount of time for practice per day" approach is an excellent one in my opinion. I did a similar thing at the beginning of this year to get some times and scores in N64 games I wasn't able to achieve for years. I told myself: "10 attempts per day, that's it" (I wanted to get 100/100 in Shutter Bug 3 in Pilotwings 64). This takes away a lot of stress and frustration and also proved to be successful eventually.
Awesome man :)
Very found advice :) I hope you'll revive this series one day!
More good shit karl. merry chrysler dude
Great video! I do want to point out to anyone considering speedrunning though: emulators often introduce input lag, which greatly changes the necessary timing of any given input. All the practice in the world is not going to help - and, in fact, could actually be detrimental - if the timing you're practicing in the emulator is different than on console. I'm not sure how much this applies to N64 emulators, but the difference between NES hardware vs. emulator is significant enough to completely change my visual cues for 1-3 frame tricks.
You forgot to add this to the playlist Karl!
I remember reading that sleep gains come more towards the end of your sleep window
So if you get the best gains in hours 6-8 but you only sleep 7, you miss 50% of the optimal window.
Great advice and sureli right for speedrun, mostly for many things. :-)
LOL when you talked about not knowing what to expect, I had two new magician techniques to learn, one that was wary easy and one that I was concerned about. The easy one took me 4 years to master, while the "complicated" one took me about a month! :-)
that is the best like to dislike ratio I've ever seen
Beauty episode. Very helpful
Karl. Thank you so much for this channel. You are a fucking legend.
I've never played or even seen much gameplay of goldeneye 64 prior to seeing your channel
Which is weird because I grew up with a n64
Anyway way you really got me interested this niche community and just wanted to show my approval.
I'm learning to count cards, some really good advice - thanks. My goal is to be beaten up by a casino owner
Awesome video! I am getting into racing simulator world records and I can't wait to use this information to help me improve my times :)
@Karl Jobst Excellent job man, I'll make a response to this, I got some ideas I wanna add that could really change speedrunning.
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@@karljobst Thank you Karl, Merry Christmas. :D God fucking speed. ~ Travis
This is informative for me in my trombone practicing! Thank you!!!
Spongebob & Patrick: TECHNIQUE!! Your not doing the... technique...
Squidward: Technique?!
Lol'ed at you adding juggling to skills list for a full variety show! xD But seriously, learning music requires a lot of the same functions as gaming, you get Carpal tunnel syndrome from overdoing both, and, if anything, remembering most songs requires less memory than learning all juggle combos for a single character in a fighting game, of course, actually playing music requires much more skill than just pressing buttons.
Love the videos! I was wondering why this series isn't fully in a playlist?
Probably because there's only two of them
One big hinderance in using emulator when you practice, if you run on a console (especially a 60 fps one), is the lag. If you're hopping in and out, console to emulator to console when you want to practice something, you always have to relearn the controls and timing. The relative timing stays the same if you learn a chain of inputs to muscle memory, but the initial timing, for example when using visual cue, might be way off. At least this is what I found in Super Metroid. It became painful when I first got to run on a console, the emulator started feeling impossible to play on. However, I still think it's better if you can't use save states on console like with Super Metroid. Just have to make the practice sessions more than a quick visit to not spend so much extra time learning the feel of emulator.
Great content, please finsh this series! I thought I'd never find someone as good as Salt~~
How is every piece of advice you said also incredibly useful in practicing speedcubing too
merry christmas jobst
Very well done... will we ever see more of this series?
Love you Karl keep it up big dog!
practice is great, thanks for sharing, brother, I'll keep them in mind, much love, take care:))black_heartx2*..
thank you dude ! another really good video !
I have the original Adaptoid for using with an emulator, widely considered to be the best N64-to-USB adapter out there. But that's old news, for all I know there may be newer adapters out there that function better, especially since there are no 64-bit drivers for the Adaptoid.
Thank you for making this and spreading this info =)
Karl Jobst was already a legend in 2018, but we weren't
Hmmm, I got curious about those arpeggios...
good vid, made me subscribe.
cheers
So this is basically speedrun strats for learning speedrun strats
Episode 3!!! Please
Hi, first of all, really good video and pretty useful information. But, i have a question. I personally run some games on a New 3DS XL, and i don't know if using an emulator would help me on getting some of the techniques. What would you recommend in this type of situations?
P.S.: The game is Yoshi's Island DS, this one in particular doesn"t use the touch screen, but there is a 2 frame trick used for general movement. So the difference between a controller and the console could be very big.
I have no idea about the DS or what you can do. If emulation is available you can use it to memorise sequences etc, then adapt the timing to the console once you're decent at it. I know timing is different between emulator and console but I think of all things timing is the easiest thing to relearn.
What's best to use for save states on Goldeneye?
Jonathan Barron the only option for goldeneye is an everdrive. Its pretty expensive though so most people dont have one. Luckily GE is mostly IL so it doesnt take long to reset and try again.
How would this process apply to games which require skill to go fast, but not specific tricks? Such as simple tracks in racing games, where lines are really the only important factor?
Using save states, if possible, would be superior to practice specific turns and figure out the lines. The smaller you can break down each individual turn/technique the better. Once you figure it out incorporate it into an entire race.
How would you balance a weekly gaming schedule between practice and doing an actual run attempts?
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I feel like the ideas of this video are well placed. But not perfect. I don't believe that anyone should believe that the ideas in these videoes are flawless or perfect. They are decent guidelines for someone unfamiliar with self-improvement though, and a good way to start.
Does anyone know what journal paper the figures of Group B, Group C, and Group D are from?
Awesone!
Does it matter whether you practice in the morning or in the evening?
Vertic there is no evidence saying either is better
I once read an article discussing why businesses get people to work during the morning/day rather than into the evening due to productivity. I wont try to quote it verbatim but looking into that might give you some ideas
@Jesse
Why would sleep schedule have anything to do with motivation levels? That is an archaic and confused misunderstanding. Every person is different and it is shoe-horning people into a general mold that makes people unhappy with their lives. Modern psychology has shown that during a persons 24-hour cycle they have bursts of motivation and productivity that taper off requiring rest, downtime or "brain-candy". These bursts happen in cycles and has not been shown to have anything to do with time of day.
The fact that businesses have the schedule they have has more to do with human history than anything else, many actually thrive under what is aptly called _flextime._ Worker health and motivation has also shown to be above average when incorporating flextime.
@@Bollibompa Cortisol levels have been proven to be at their lowest in the morning (around 05:00) and build as the day progresses. From an endocrinological standpoint at least, time of day and schedule is hugely significant on productivity.
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Not true. Actually, what has been shown by Miller et. al is that it
1. Varies *a lot* between people.
2. Acts cyclically during a 24 hour period with peaks and valleys.
More specifically, this implies again that a tailor made schedule is the way to go.
You never mentioned quality of practice, or quality of sleep, volume is great but, if your quality is poor. So will your outcome.
Just seing this now lol
Episode 3 when?
What happened to the third video?! Senpai Plz
thankyou