Not to be "that guy" but this is just a basic intro to orbital mechanics, and there are things that you probably wouldn't have learned from KSP about orbital mechanics, even assuming everything as a "patched conics" model. In reality, orbits aren't even conics, even if in many cases a conic is a decent approximation for short timescales.
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Without knowing crap about orbital mechanics, you brake to drop lower where you'll go faster. Because the higher you're up the longer your orbit. And you can't go faster in a given orbit than it's speed. If you speed up you go higher.
@@ChiliFrog Suppose you're in an orbit next to a space station. If have a burn in the direction of the orbit you will increase your angular velocity, moving ahead of the space station--Forward. This will cause an imbalance between your angular velocity and the pull of gravity at the radius of that orbit, which will move you to a higher orbit--Out. So forward is out. Once you reach the desired height of your new orbit, you make a correction burn to balance your angular velocity with the gravity at the higher orbit. Because of orbital mechanics, the space station at the inner orbit has a greater angular velocity than you do. You are moving backward relative to the space station. So out is back. If you now decide to make a burn that is retrograde to your orbit--Back--your angular speed will slow. This will cause another imbalance between your angular velocity and the pull of gravity at the higher orbit. You no longer have enough angular velocity to maintain that orbit. Gravity will pull you in toward the object you are orbiting. So back is in. Finally you decide to make another burn to stabilize your lower orbit. You must increase your angular velocity to balance gravity at this lower orbit. Your new orbit is lower than the space station's orbit; therefore, you angular velocity is greater than the space station's. You are moving forward towards the space station because of your lower orbit. So in is forward. The circle is complete. You might enjoy reading "Integral Trees" by Larry Niven. BTW Niven's quote may actually start with one of the middle clauses of what I quoted. It doesn't matter where you start on the circle. If you follow all the progressions, you will complete the circle.
Cool video, great animations! I learned orbital mechanics playing Kerbal Space Program, and I love it so much I'm in college now to become a physicist and hopefully work somewhere like SpaceX. Love that you used the Dragon capsule as your ship!
@somedude4805, I've never played KSP. Sending well-wishes on your endeavors to become a Physicist & hopefully work someplace like SpaceX! I've never had any schooling on physics principles etc., so I'm a "n00b" at these things just gathering bits and pieces of information over time. I think the video was very helpful with the animations in demonstrating the differences in kinetic/potential energy and the orbits expressing how spacecraft behave in relation to the Earth's gravity, inertia and any applied forces such as the "burns" initiated by the vehicle's engines. He didn't demonstrate the "anti-normal burn" but I assume it has the opposite effect of the "normal burn leading to an inclination of the orbit." I know he's a "commercial businessman" but I would've thought Elon would be working on the "artificial gravity" aspect more than ironically "Starship." I'll admit I'm a fan of the "Star Trek" series and have always dreamed of a day when we would have some means of creating that artificial gravity environment without the need for "spinning."
@@zenithperigee7442 If you want to grasp orbital mechanics better, KSP is a really great way to do it. I highly encourage you to give it a try. I never knew anything about orbital mechanics and just tried out KSP while waiting for Starfield to released because most other space games I had already played at least a little. It was very hard to learn at first but now I can transfer to other planets and dock with other spacecraft pretty easily. To your point about artificial gravity, I'm afraid we wont see it in our lifetime. I would even go as far as doubt it'll ever be possible. Considering most of Earth's gravity is caused by the core, you'd need either an unimaginably large craft or some kind of technology to basically break the current laws of physics. And if either of those things were possible, then you'd need some way to keep that gravity ONLY on the ship and as soon as you go out the airlock, you're in zero-G again. Otherwise, having a gravity generator that large and that close to any planets would throw off the orbit of either the planet around the sun or the moon of the planet. Imagine an earth-sized gravity field at the altitude of the ISS. If we were on that ship and in the right spot, we could send the moon into a more elliptical orbit and either slingshot it away from Earth or closer to Earth. Plus, that gravity field could cause Earth to get pulled away from it's current orbit around the sun and have HUGE repurcussions for the entire planet. We'd be the sole reason the world ended. Kind of a cool premise to a sci-fi "end of the world" movie, though.
Fun fact that explains why Armstrong was chosen to be the first person to land on the moon; his doctoral thesis at Purdue University was titled "Lunar Orbital Mechanics". He undersood it better than anyone else on Earth.
Very well done! Have you considered a similar explanation for planetary slingshots? I think a lot of sci-fi writers and even news outlets get it wrong.
@photogagog, I admit I enjoy "sci-fi" but I would love a quality explanation/animation of "planetary slingshots!" IIRC this was the principle used to help the Parker Solar Probe travel towards the Sun nearing an unbelievable ~400,000 mph by the time it would reach it's orbit.
It seems like in a sligshot, the gravity that pulls the object in will be the same as the object leaves, so any gains in speed would be lost. The only thing that adds (or reduces depending on relative direction) is the speed of the planet's orbit around the Sun?
One suggestion is that towards the end of the video when describing the ISS rendezvous, to start the retrograde burn from the same initial circular orbit starting condition, instead of trying to correct the previous prograde burn. That way, it will be more obvious what the two difference are and how to intercept the ISS.
I know you commented this a year ago but the point of the prograde burn was to demonstrate that with these kinds of things are not as straightforward as "accelerate towards target and you will arrive there." Like it is on Earth. He talks about how you have to slow down to go faster and speed up to slow down at a previous point in the video, so he demonstrates both. But yes, obviously a prograde burn followed by a retro burn would be significantly less fuel efficient lol.
The only thing I would change is to show the planet inside the orbital paths rotating about its axis, showing how the suborbital position -- the Earth coordinate -- moves with respect to the orbiting body. Depending on the orbiter's inclination, the North (or South) Pole would be in the center of the spherical planet when the craft is orbiting above the Equator, but would be offset from such a vertical position when the craft is orbiting in an inclined plane relative to the Earth's equatorial plane, with an Ascending Node and a Descending Node associated with this inclined orbital path. Also, depending on the period of the orbit, there would be certain times when the craft would appear above the same point on the Earth below, say, if it orbits 16 times per sidereal day, once every 89 minutes 45.25 seconds. If a spacecraft orbiting above the Equator were to be above 0 deg N, 75 deg W at one point, then after 16 such orbits it would again be above that spot, one sidereal day later. Animating the spinning Earth -- and including a terminator, with a Day side and a Night side -- and having a red wavy line representing the Ground Track as the planet wobbles like a top, now THAT would be cool to see. Maybe a later video could depict these things . . . ? 😎
There's probably a lot you won't understand about even Keplerian orbital mechanics simply from playing KSP to be honest unless you approach the game very scientifically. I'd guess 95-99% of KSP players don't do that, and the ones that do probably already learned more about orbital mechanics elsewhere. And real orbits aren't even Keplerian (which is the model KSP uses).
@@sciencecompliance235 If you play with mods like Principia and Real Solar System, you will have a very realistic orbital mechanics simulator. Even the vanilla game has some basis; it's just rescaled, and the physics work only within the same sphere of influence. Like... you know... real-world orbital mechanics is not beginner-friendly. As I said, in the end of your journey through the game, you will be a master.
@@sciencecompliance235 I learned a lot from KSP, especially using the Principia mod and RSS. I learned about Lagrange points, geostationary orbits, orbital periods and SMA, transfer windows, Holman maneuvers, rendezvous and docking, orbital maneuvers, gravity assists, delta-v and efficiency, reentry and spacecraft design, efficient landing maneuvers and trajectories, precise landings, and much more. I believe that the game covers a good portion of real orbital physics. You don't need to do complex calculations and equations, because the game does that for you. Nevertheless, if you're using the Principia mod, you can complete an entire mission using only equations and calculations.
Fun fact that explains why Armstrong was chosen to be the first person to land on the moon; his doctoral thesis at Purdue University was titled "Lunar Orbital Mechanics". He undersood it better than anyone else on Earth.
*_Former Boeing... your videos are well thought out, easy to understand, even for non-engineers..._* The ISS loses altitude due to friction with Air Molecules. Even at 250 miles up, some Air Molecules remain. NASA has to change speed and direction of ISS to get it back in it's normal orbit. *_ISS experiences 90 percent of Earth's Gravity even at 250 miles altitude..._*
Wow, this video is amazing! Iam in my first year studying physics where we already talked a bit about orbital mechanics but this video is an absolutely gem to get a better understanding of what is really happening… Thx for the effort, you got my sub!
I would add that when you do a normal or anti-normal burn, you also add a small bit of prograde velocity to your new orbit at the new inclination, slightly raising your apoapsis
Not if you keep your craft pointed precisely in the normal direction during the entire burn. If you park your craft in an orientation and then do a normal/antinormal burn, though, it will instantly start to have a prograde or retrograde component of the thrust vector that will increase as long as you keep firing your engines, since you will no longer be perpendicular to your orbit once you start changing its plane.
@@sciencecompliance235 It will no matter what. Depending on how long the normal/anti-normal burn is, you can get the apoapsis back to it's original altitude, but that's usually not the case
Just a caution for those looking to understand more carefully. There is a difference between absolute velocity and angular velocity. By doing a prograde thrust to apply force you are increasing the absolute velocity of the craft and decreasing the angular velocity. Another term used in the space industry is "ground trace" that applies here. If you take a straight line from the center of the earth (this gets more complicated as the earth is an oblate spheroid rather than spherical, but that is another topic) to the spacecraft at any given instant the point on the ground (earth's surface) that intersects this line will "appear" to speed up or slow down relative to time. This is a depiction of angular velocity. By increasing the area of the ellipse, the spacecraft must increase absolute velocity, which will expand its total distance from the earth short of escape velocity. In other words, prograde will always increase absolute velocity and decrease angular velocity (even if it does reach escape velocity--i.e. no longer in orbit) and, conversely, retrograde will always decrease absolute velocity and increase angular velocity (up until the point that the orbit remains outside of other physical forces--particulates of atmosphere, space junk, solar winds, and electromagnetic drag, etc.). For reference, geosynchronous and geostationary orbits are much "faster" and "higher" than other orbits, but the angular velocity is nearly zero (it appears to stand still in the sky from the ground. Much higher orbits are still possible, but they will then appear to go "backwards" (negative angular velocity). In other words, the earth's rotation will progress farther than the rotation of the satellite orbit, from an angular or ground observational perspective.
Also, just for reference, spacecraft maneuvers typically do two prograde bursts to go from one near-circular orbit to a higher, "slower" (less angular velocity/greater absolute velocity) near-circular orbit. As shown in the animation, it creates an initial highly elliptical orbit plane and then an alternative highly elliptical offset at the "highest" point above earth that "rounds" out the orbit. (There is a lot more involved in mathematics, physics, rocketry and chemistry to this than simple calculations of perfectly frictionless pool table physics, but that is the gist of it.)
Another confusing part of this is it is all relative. If you have a polar orbit (where the angle of rotation is closer to north-south orientation than equatorial orientation), the ground trace gets much different and complicates the discussion. However, similar physics is involved, but the ground trace, launch characteristics and orbital dynamics require different sets of skills and typically different teams of people.
simple yet effective. One small error: the spacecrafts don't rotate. They would keep the sine direction relatively to space, so they wouldn't be always heading towards their motion direction.
@@AsaSpadeSS i mean they do rotate, when you want them to do so, using thrusters. They don't just point forwards always, like airplanes do. An airplanes point forward because of aerodynamics, but in space there's no air. If you leave a capsule in orbit and not rotating, it will keep that direction relatively to space (not earth)
@@giovannicorso7583Aaaand if you leave a capsule in space with the correct angular velocity it will also stay that way. There is nothing impossible about what's depicted in this animation.
@@beanieteamie7435 you can, but simply why? Making animations like such is not wrong, but makes people believe that that's how it works, while it is just a very edge case (that you just described)
My favorite orbital mechanics game (Space Agency, on mobile) had it all wrong when it comes to radial burns. Now I see why my friends who are KSP nerds didn’t like it…
I'd like to see a VERY slow orbital burn. Show velocity as it goes. First you slow down. Then, at some point in the orbit you gain back that speed. Then you reach the bottom with a lot more speed. To circularize you need to slow again, but the final speed required is still more than the original. Going out to a larger circle would be fun to see in tedious slow-motion too.
It makes you appreciate so much more the brilliant people at NASA that calculated the Apollo missions' Earth orbits, trans-lunar and trans-earth injections, lunar orbits and lunar orbit rendezvous, all with slide rules, pencils and paper. IBM mainframes helped, of course, but the lion's share was accomplished without computers. Amazing.
Fun fact that explains why Armstrong was chosen to be the first person to land on the moon; his doctoral thesis at Purdue University was titled "Lunar Orbital Mechanics". He undersood it better than anyone else on Earth.
I'm not sure if I would have flung myself far away first or not, but for sure I would have definitely ended up a brief fiery ball of beautiful brilliance streaming somewhere over Tajikistan, or maybe Texas! Can we have a moment of silence...
I've flown Orbiter Sim and KSP for years, and I don't think I've ever done a radial burn (at least on purpose). They don't seem to be very useful for orbital rendezvous purposes.
Ive never felt so smart. At one point in school our teacher played this video in class. After hours of KSP, orbital mechanica are just so simple to me, yet my entire class was completely dumbfounded that you cant just apply force in the direction you want to go.
I mean, if you're in orbit and you shine a light at the ground (at right angles to your orbit), the light will reach the ground. So at some point between rocketry speeds and the speed of light you really can just thrust where you want to go.
Larry Niven, _The Integral Trees_: "East takes you Out, Out takes you West, West takes you In, and In takes you East. Port and starboard bring you back." Where "East" is prograde, "West" is retrograde, port is antinormal, and starboard is normal. :)
These Kerbal people... I don't live at my computer (I live in my Quest air linked to it.) So I use my phone: _"Spaceflight Simulator"_ is a free game which doesn't collect data or have ads. You build your rocket, launch it, and try to get into an orbit. Adding thrust will change the orbital trajectory exactly like this video. Build too big and you'll run out of fuel (and crash) or not even get off the pad. Same if you're too small. But with enough stages and ejectable boosters you will get into LEO. But then the goal is to manipulate that orbit into an elongated oval which crosses the moon's orbit at a point where the moon will be when you arrive. If you prebuilt a rover you get to drive it on the moon surface. I've never managed the fuel correctly to land (and parachutes don't work on the moon for some reason). Mostly I just end up running out of fuel and forever orbiting the sun. Maybe one day I'll make a footprint on the moon. Who knew rocket science was so hard. Free, data safe, and fun. In Google Play for Android.
@@SOR-05 It sure is. Being 2D makes the learning curve very shallow. Yet it still features enough physics to be fun. It's a great way to pass time on your phone.
Time is your greatest enemy. You can get anywhere you want with a gravity assist. Lining those celestial bodies up to get there is the witch of the matter.
I have a few questions when you were explaining in the beginning about kinetic energy, theirs no explanation on why the velocity decreases, and increased the way it did. can someone please help me out?
Great question, let me see if I can help you out. If you’re referring to the point on the roller coaster….when the kinetic energy is lowering, the train is increasing in altitude and therefore increasing in potential energy. It’s simply an exchange of energy. Kinetic energy lowers when the speed does because kinetic energy s calculated through multiplying the speed by mass! Hope this helps!
Was thinking about this recently. Example: to get from earth to jupiter? Relative to the sun, we (or our space probe) are moving faster than jupiter because of closer orbit. At earth, we/probe is moving faster than jupiter relative to a reference point beyond jupiter. To get to jupiter: Accelerate along axis of revolution is same direction earth/jupiter are moving. Once reach Jupiter's "altitude", accelerate *more* in same direction. Orbit with jupiter achieved. Accelerated twice, now moving slower. 🤔🤨🤔🤨 Is because sun pulls backwards while transit.
While you're moving more slowly once you reach Jupiter, your orbital energy is higher due to being further from the sun. The acceleration is giving your orbit more energy. Maybe that's a good way to think about it.
Awsome explanation and graphics. Briliant!!!! I wish you add something about rich ISS or any other object in space. I mean is not like cars break and accelerate to rich others. With orbits this dont work. Bside you rich the speed of ISS if you are not in time you can caught ISS*that is why need retrograde and prograde acceleration but when?) I would like see how to cach up the ISS and dock not just fallow it. And about launch (orbital inclination and diference betwen launch shoot and launch orbit with the same amount of fuel.(when go 90º up and nothing tangent speed))
Hi, I really love your content 🤩 Would you be interested to talk about the physics behind my circular swing of #travelingrings ? On the one hand, when we swing inside (and thus pull outside) the polygonal setting, our arc of motion isn’t leveled and use a mix of centripetal energy and potential energy (similar to the consequence of the retrograde burn). On the other hand, when we swing outside (and thus pull inside) the polygonal setting, our arc of motion could be either leveled if we glide circular at the right speed (similar to perfectly circular orbit) or waved due to the potential energy transferring in kinetic energy if we glide elliptical at a greater speed (similar to the consequence of the prograde burn). I’d love to simply evaluate the difficulty of a setting according to the length (of strap) and spacing (distance between rings) for polygonal apparatus and most of all visualize the different types of swing in such an awesome video as you can edit them 💯 Best regards from Stuttgart, John
We have to take into account, crafts in orbit are in a state of consant free fall, which is why objects float in space. 95% of the stuff he explained are accurate and up to date. I have a tiny issue with how he described prograde and retrograde burns. But besides that great video for people who are new to orbital mechanics 👍
Nice video, but there are some pretty big mistakes which stops me from sharing it. At 3:00, the prograde and retrograde vectors are inverted. At 4:17, you start saying why not burning at Earth, and you then explain the radial out burn, also with a wrong illustration, showing radial in. 4:50, you describe radial in, but the illustration shows radial out.
Thanks for the explanation on burning directly away from and towards the gravity source. I never realized it actually just rotated the orbit! Also good explanation on inclination burns too! These were parts of orbital mechanics that are so rarely explained.
If all transportation the earth goes back to freefall so it drop down so fast that twisting and spin in order to regain balance due to kinetic gravity cause by vauum left behind pull back earth freefal so slow it afterfew second fast falling and restore instability
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Love this, KSP really made me understand orbital mechanics
Dude yes its crazy watching this and realizing I know most of this stuff already
True Bro, Mainly If you play with principia. That game is insane
LOL yea same
Not to be "that guy" but this is just a basic intro to orbital mechanics, and there are things that you probably wouldn't have learned from KSP about orbital mechanics, even assuming everything as a "patched conics" model.
In reality, orbits aren't even conics, even if in many cases a conic is a decent approximation for short timescales.
Orbiter 2016 more accurately depicts OM
I've wondered about this for 20+ years. Great explanation. You know, this was most of Buzz Aldrin's Ph.D thesis that he never revised.
He very literally wrote the book.
@@ojonasarJust out of curiosity, why would he revise it?
@@clayz1 His thesis got used to get him to the moon, and back, so it’s fair to say it worked.
@@ojonasar It was Magrant17 who suggested that there was unfinished work on his theses, or a mistake of some kind. I didn't say anything of the sort.
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You totally deserve 100k subs. Very high quality, concise, intelligent stuff.
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Without knowing crap about orbital mechanics, you brake to drop lower where you'll go faster. Because the higher you're up the longer your orbit. And you can't go faster in a given orbit than it's speed. If you speed up you go higher.
Great Video and explanation.
So to summarize in a nutshell, and to quote Larry Niven, “Forward is out, out is back, back is in, and in is forward.”
That made my head hurt!!
What?
@@ChiliFrog Suppose you're in an orbit next to a space station. If have a burn in the direction of the orbit you will increase your angular velocity, moving ahead of the space station--Forward. This will cause an imbalance between your angular velocity and the pull of gravity at the radius of that orbit, which will move you to a higher orbit--Out. So forward is out.
Once you reach the desired height of your new orbit, you make a correction burn to balance your angular velocity with the gravity at the higher orbit. Because of orbital mechanics, the space station at the inner orbit has a greater angular velocity than you do. You are moving backward relative to the space station. So out is back.
If you now decide to make a burn that is retrograde to your orbit--Back--your angular speed will slow. This will cause another imbalance between your angular velocity and the pull of gravity at the higher orbit. You no longer have enough angular velocity to maintain that orbit. Gravity will pull you in toward the object you are orbiting. So back is in.
Finally you decide to make another burn to stabilize your lower orbit. You must increase your angular velocity to balance gravity at this lower orbit. Your new orbit is lower than the space station's orbit; therefore, you angular velocity is greater than the space station's. You are moving forward towards the space station because of your lower orbit. So in is forward.
The circle is complete. You might enjoy reading "Integral Trees" by Larry Niven. BTW Niven's quote may actually start with one of the middle clauses of what I quoted. It doesn't matter where you start on the circle. If you follow all the progressions, you will complete the circle.
Cool video, great animations! I learned orbital mechanics playing Kerbal Space Program, and I love it so much I'm in college now to become a physicist and hopefully work somewhere like SpaceX. Love that you used the Dragon capsule as your ship!
@somedude4805, I've never played KSP. Sending well-wishes on your endeavors to become a Physicist & hopefully work someplace like SpaceX! I've never had any schooling on physics principles etc., so I'm a "n00b" at these things just gathering bits and pieces of information over time. I think the video was very helpful with the animations in demonstrating the differences in kinetic/potential energy and the orbits expressing how spacecraft behave in relation to the Earth's gravity, inertia and any applied forces such as the "burns" initiated by the vehicle's engines. He didn't demonstrate the "anti-normal burn" but I assume it has the opposite effect of the "normal burn leading to an inclination of the orbit." I know he's a "commercial businessman" but I would've thought Elon would be working on the "artificial gravity" aspect more than ironically "Starship." I'll admit I'm a fan of the "Star Trek" series and have always dreamed of a day when we would have some means of creating that artificial gravity environment without the need for "spinning."
@@zenithperigee7442 If you want to grasp orbital mechanics better, KSP is a really great way to do it. I highly encourage you to give it a try. I never knew anything about orbital mechanics and just tried out KSP while waiting for Starfield to released because most other space games I had already played at least a little. It was very hard to learn at first but now I can transfer to other planets and dock with other spacecraft pretty easily.
To your point about artificial gravity, I'm afraid we wont see it in our lifetime. I would even go as far as doubt it'll ever be possible. Considering most of Earth's gravity is caused by the core, you'd need either an unimaginably large craft or some kind of technology to basically break the current laws of physics. And if either of those things were possible, then you'd need some way to keep that gravity ONLY on the ship and as soon as you go out the airlock, you're in zero-G again. Otherwise, having a gravity generator that large and that close to any planets would throw off the orbit of either the planet around the sun or the moon of the planet.
Imagine an earth-sized gravity field at the altitude of the ISS. If we were on that ship and in the right spot, we could send the moon into a more elliptical orbit and either slingshot it away from Earth or closer to Earth. Plus, that gravity field could cause Earth to get pulled away from it's current orbit around the sun and have HUGE repurcussions for the entire planet. We'd be the sole reason the world ended. Kind of a cool premise to a sci-fi "end of the world" movie, though.
Fun fact that explains why Armstrong was chosen to be the first person to land on the moon; his doctoral thesis at Purdue University was titled "Lunar Orbital Mechanics". He undersood it better than anyone else on Earth.
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hahahahaha sooo true!
You're not wrong
Some people even don't get this right so well done
Very well done! Have you considered a similar explanation for planetary slingshots? I think a lot of sci-fi writers and even news outlets get it wrong.
@photogagog, I admit I enjoy "sci-fi" but I would love a quality explanation/animation of "planetary slingshots!" IIRC this was the principle used to help the Parker Solar Probe travel towards the Sun nearing an unbelievable ~400,000 mph by the time it would reach it's orbit.
I too, would love to see that!
It seems like in a sligshot, the gravity that pulls the object in will be the same as the object leaves, so any gains in speed would be lost. The only thing that adds (or reduces depending on relative direction) is the speed of the planet's orbit around the Sun?
Oh yeeezzz! 🤓
One suggestion is that towards the end of the video when describing the ISS rendezvous, to start the retrograde burn from the same initial circular orbit starting condition, instead of trying to correct the previous prograde burn. That way, it will be more obvious what the two difference are and how to intercept the ISS.
I know you commented this a year ago but the point of the prograde burn was to demonstrate that with these kinds of things are not as straightforward as "accelerate towards target and you will arrive there." Like it is on Earth. He talks about how you have to slow down to go faster and speed up to slow down at a previous point in the video, so he demonstrates both. But yes, obviously a prograde burn followed by a retro burn would be significantly less fuel efficient lol.
The only thing I would change is to show the planet inside the orbital paths rotating about its axis, showing how the suborbital position -- the Earth coordinate -- moves with respect to the orbiting body. Depending on the orbiter's inclination, the North (or South) Pole would be in the center of the spherical planet when the craft is orbiting above the Equator, but would be offset from such a vertical position when the craft is orbiting in an inclined plane relative to the Earth's equatorial plane, with an Ascending Node and a Descending Node associated with this inclined orbital path. Also, depending on the period of the orbit, there would be certain times when the craft would appear above the same point on the Earth below, say, if it orbits 16 times per sidereal day, once every 89 minutes 45.25 seconds. If a spacecraft orbiting above the Equator were to be above 0 deg N, 75 deg W at one point, then after 16 such orbits it would again be above that spot, one sidereal day later. Animating the spinning Earth -- and including a terminator, with a Day side and a Night side -- and having a red wavy line representing the Ground Track as the planet wobbles like a top, now THAT would be cool to see. Maybe a later video could depict these things . . . ? 😎
At least for orbital mechanics, I think Douglas Adams was right - the trick to flying is throwing yourself at the ground and missing. :D
I think he was onto something there. (One of my favorite quotes, btw lol)
really helpful if you are struggling to rendezvous while in orbit on KSP, thank you!
Nice KSP tutorial
You want to understand orbital mechanics ? Just buy kerbal space program and start playing. At the end you will be a master
There's probably a lot you won't understand about even Keplerian orbital mechanics simply from playing KSP to be honest unless you approach the game very scientifically. I'd guess 95-99% of KSP players don't do that, and the ones that do probably already learned more about orbital mechanics elsewhere.
And real orbits aren't even Keplerian (which is the model KSP uses).
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@@sciencecompliance235 If you play with mods like Principia and Real Solar System, you will have a very realistic orbital mechanics simulator. Even the vanilla game has some basis; it's just rescaled, and the physics work only within the same sphere of influence. Like... you know... real-world orbital mechanics is not beginner-friendly. As I said, in the end of your journey through the game, you will be a master.
@@sciencecompliance235 I learned a lot from KSP, especially using the Principia mod and RSS. I learned about Lagrange points, geostationary orbits, orbital periods and SMA, transfer windows, Holman maneuvers, rendezvous and docking, orbital maneuvers, gravity assists, delta-v and efficiency, reentry and spacecraft design, efficient landing maneuvers and trajectories, precise landings, and much more. I believe that the game covers a good portion of real orbital physics. You don't need to do complex calculations and equations, because the game does that for you. Nevertheless, if you're using the Principia mod, you can complete an entire mission using only equations and calculations.
Fun fact that explains why Armstrong was chosen to be the first person to land on the moon; his doctoral thesis at Purdue University was titled "Lunar Orbital Mechanics". He undersood it better than anyone else on Earth.
*_Former Boeing... your videos are well thought out, easy to understand, even for non-engineers..._*
The ISS loses altitude due to friction with Air Molecules. Even at 250 miles up, some Air Molecules remain. NASA has to change speed and direction of ISS to get it back in it's normal orbit.
*_ISS experiences 90 percent of Earth's Gravity even at 250 miles altitude..._*
Why former? Something happen there?
@@nathan2084 Thanks for comment. I got old and retired...
Wow, this video is amazing!
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I would add that when you do a normal or anti-normal burn, you also add a small bit of prograde velocity to your new orbit at the new inclination, slightly raising your apoapsis
Not if you keep your craft pointed precisely in the normal direction during the entire burn. If you park your craft in an orientation and then do a normal/antinormal burn, though, it will instantly start to have a prograde or retrograde component of the thrust vector that will increase as long as you keep firing your engines, since you will no longer be perpendicular to your orbit once you start changing its plane.
@@sciencecompliance235 It will no matter what. Depending on how long the normal/anti-normal burn is, you can get the apoapsis back to it's original altitude, but that's usually not the case
@@ImThe5thKing You need to retake orbital mechanics class and/or vector math.
Just a caution for those looking to understand more carefully. There is a difference between absolute velocity and angular velocity. By doing a prograde thrust to apply force you are increasing the absolute velocity of the craft and decreasing the angular velocity. Another term used in the space industry is "ground trace" that applies here. If you take a straight line from the center of the earth (this gets more complicated as the earth is an oblate spheroid rather than spherical, but that is another topic) to the spacecraft at any given instant the point on the ground (earth's surface) that intersects this line will "appear" to speed up or slow down relative to time. This is a depiction of angular velocity. By increasing the area of the ellipse, the spacecraft must increase absolute velocity, which will expand its total distance from the earth short of escape velocity. In other words, prograde will always increase absolute velocity and decrease angular velocity (even if it does reach escape velocity--i.e. no longer in orbit) and, conversely, retrograde will always decrease absolute velocity and increase angular velocity (up until the point that the orbit remains outside of other physical forces--particulates of atmosphere, space junk, solar winds, and electromagnetic drag, etc.). For reference, geosynchronous and geostationary orbits are much "faster" and "higher" than other orbits, but the angular velocity is nearly zero (it appears to stand still in the sky from the ground. Much higher orbits are still possible, but they will then appear to go "backwards" (negative angular velocity). In other words, the earth's rotation will progress farther than the rotation of the satellite orbit, from an angular or ground observational perspective.
Also, just for reference, spacecraft maneuvers typically do two prograde bursts to go from one near-circular orbit to a higher, "slower" (less angular velocity/greater absolute velocity) near-circular orbit. As shown in the animation, it creates an initial highly elliptical orbit plane and then an alternative highly elliptical offset at the "highest" point above earth that "rounds" out the orbit. (There is a lot more involved in mathematics, physics, rocketry and chemistry to this than simple calculations of perfectly frictionless pool table physics, but that is the gist of it.)
Another confusing part of this is it is all relative. If you have a polar orbit (where the angle of rotation is closer to north-south orientation than equatorial orientation), the ground trace gets much different and complicates the discussion. However, similar physics is involved, but the ground trace, launch characteristics and orbital dynamics require different sets of skills and typically different teams of people.
Finally, there is a retrograde orbit which is contrary to the earth's rotation, but that is much more a theoretical concern than practical.
simple yet effective. One small error: the spacecrafts don't rotate. They would keep the sine direction relatively to space, so they wouldn't be always heading towards their motion direction.
Spacecraft can and do rotate. How else would they rendezvous and dock? Their rotation has no effect on their velocity or orbit.
@@AsaSpadeSS i mean they do rotate, when you want them to do so, using thrusters. They don't just point forwards always, like airplanes do. An airplanes point forward because of aerodynamics, but in space there's no air. If you leave a capsule in orbit and not rotating, it will keep that direction relatively to space (not earth)
@@giovannicorso7583Aaaand if you leave a capsule in space with the correct angular velocity it will also stay that way.
There is nothing impossible about what's depicted in this animation.
@@beanieteamie7435 you can, but simply why? Making animations like such is not wrong, but makes people believe that that's how it works, while it is just a very edge case (that you just described)
In a G field you can keep attitude without thrusters. The Long-duration Exposure Facility did this.
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Thank you this helped me visualize the xyz vectors of orbits and really helped with a physics project
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My favorite orbital mechanics game (Space Agency, on mobile) had it all wrong when it comes to radial burns. Now I see why my friends who are KSP nerds didn’t like it…
Great explanation, and the animations are super helpful! Is this the actual procedure they use to dock with the ISS?
I'd like to see a VERY slow orbital burn. Show velocity as it goes. First you slow down. Then, at some point in the orbit you gain back that speed. Then you reach the bottom with a lot more speed. To circularize you need to slow again, but the final speed required is still more than the original. Going out to a larger circle would be fun to see in tedious slow-motion too.
It makes you appreciate so much more the brilliant people at NASA that calculated the Apollo missions' Earth orbits, trans-lunar and trans-earth injections, lunar orbits and lunar orbit rendezvous, all with slide rules, pencils and paper. IBM mainframes helped, of course, but the lion's share was accomplished without computers. Amazing.
Fun fact that explains why Armstrong was chosen to be the first person to land on the moon; his doctoral thesis at Purdue University was titled "Lunar Orbital Mechanics". He undersood it better than anyone else on Earth.
Very interesting, although I’m not quite ready for a job with NASA, this video gave me a better understanding of how spacecraft orbit the Earth.
Heureka! Finally found an explanation which helped me understand this! Big thanks!!
I'm not sure if I would have flung myself far away first or not, but for sure I would have definitely ended up a brief fiery ball of beautiful brilliance streaming somewhere over Tajikistan, or maybe Texas! Can we have a moment of silence...
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Kerbal Space Program taught me this, but your explanation is great too.
I've flown Orbiter Sim and KSP for years, and I don't think I've ever done a radial burn (at least on purpose). They don't seem to be very useful for orbital rendezvous purposes.
manoever nodes are very useful to learn what radial in and out, and normal and anti normal burns do!
They're only useful for last minute periapsis adjustment when encountering a planet or a moon.
Radial burns are useful when you need to move your apoapsis/periapsis to match that of the object you are trying to intercept.
They're not fuel-efficient, but sometimes due to time constraints you have to do a radial burn to rendezvous with another object sooner.
Radial burns are really useful in KSP, especially when doing midcourse corrections on interplanetary transfers.
That was brilliant, very well explained, and very informative. Thank you
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This is a perfect explanation. I don't think it could be explained better. Absolutely great work!
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At one point in school our teacher played this video in class.
After hours of KSP, orbital mechanica are just so simple to me, yet my entire class was completely dumbfounded that you cant just apply force in the direction you want to go.
I mean, if you're in orbit and you shine a light at the ground (at right angles to your orbit), the light will reach the ground. So at some point between rocketry speeds and the speed of light you really can just thrust where you want to go.
Never mind I just subscribed and saw you did a video on that exact question! Good job!
thanks! I can now understand how to make perfect orbit in spaceflight simulator
SFS made me understand orbital Mechanics but this is good!
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Larry Niven, _The Integral Trees_: "East takes you Out, Out takes you West, West takes you In, and In takes you East. Port and starboard bring you back." Where "East" is prograde, "West" is retrograde, port is antinormal, and starboard is normal. :)
0:50 best explanation ever
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Yes this or just play KSP
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Wow. Great explanation and animation
Thank you! Visualizing math is pretty cool.
These Kerbal people... I don't live at my computer (I live in my Quest air linked to it.)
So I use my phone: _"Spaceflight Simulator"_ is a free game which doesn't collect data or have ads. You build your rocket, launch it, and try to get into an orbit. Adding thrust will change the orbital trajectory exactly like this video.
Build too big and you'll run out of fuel (and crash) or not even get off the pad.
Same if you're too small. But with enough stages and ejectable boosters you will get into LEO.
But then the goal is to manipulate that orbit into an elongated oval which crosses the moon's orbit at a point where the moon will be when you arrive.
If you prebuilt a rover you get to drive it on the moon surface. I've never managed the fuel correctly to land (and parachutes don't work on the moon for some reason).
Mostly I just end up running out of fuel and forever orbiting the sun. Maybe one day I'll make a footprint on the moon.
Who knew rocket science was so hard.
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Space flight simulator is such a good game. It is like a free 2d KSP
@@SOR-05 It sure is. Being 2D makes the learning curve very shallow. Yet it still features enough physics to be fun. It's a great way to pass time on your phone.
Time is your greatest enemy. You can get anywhere you want with a gravity assist. Lining those celestial bodies up to get there is the witch of the matter.
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Nice explainations and graphics.
Very interesting!
I needed more videos.
Knowing what gravity is, someday will change how we interpret information.
Great video, and great, understanderable explanation!
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True when earth slow down it fall faster but mountains and river unequal make it spin faster until humam tired and sleep
Just play _Kerbal Space Program._ You'll learn more about orbital mechanics (albeit with simplified single-body gravity) and have fun doing it.
Watching this knowing full well I still need to learn integrals and differential equations for my exam tomorrow
Your explanation about GPE and Kinetic Energy is the same for aircraft
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Awesome explanations.
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I have a few questions when you were explaining in the beginning about kinetic energy, theirs no explanation on why the velocity decreases, and increased the way it did. can someone please help me out?
Great question, let me see if I can help you out. If you’re referring to the point on the roller coaster….when the kinetic energy is lowering, the train is increasing in altitude and therefore increasing in potential energy. It’s simply an exchange of energy. Kinetic energy lowers when the speed does because kinetic energy s calculated through multiplying the speed by mass! Hope this helps!
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That was excellent, thank you!
Was thinking about this recently.
Example: to get from earth to jupiter?
Relative to the sun, we (or our space probe) are moving faster than jupiter because of closer orbit. At earth, we/probe is moving faster than jupiter relative to a reference point beyond jupiter. To get to jupiter:
Accelerate along axis of revolution is same direction earth/jupiter are moving. Once reach Jupiter's "altitude", accelerate *more* in same direction. Orbit with jupiter achieved. Accelerated twice, now moving slower.
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Is because sun pulls backwards while transit.
While you're moving more slowly once you reach Jupiter, your orbital energy is higher due to being further from the sun. The acceleration is giving your orbit more energy. Maybe that's a good way to think about it.
very well explained
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I wish you add something about rich ISS or any other object in space. I mean is not like cars break and accelerate to rich others. With orbits this dont work. Bside you rich the speed of ISS if you are not in time you can caught ISS*that is why need retrograde and prograde acceleration but when?)
I would like see how to cach up the ISS and dock not just fallow it. And about launch (orbital inclination and diference betwen launch shoot and launch orbit with the same amount of fuel.(when go 90º up and nothing tangent speed))
#AnimationXplaned Excellent editing. Clear explanation. I don’t believe you. I’m still going to floor it. #holdmybeer
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You covered prograde and retrograde burns. But, what about sick burns??
Great explanation
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Hi, I really love your content 🤩 Would you be interested to talk about the physics behind my circular swing of #travelingrings ? On the one hand, when we swing inside (and thus pull outside) the polygonal setting, our arc of motion isn’t leveled and use a mix of centripetal energy and potential energy (similar to the consequence of the retrograde burn). On the other hand, when we swing outside (and thus pull inside) the polygonal setting, our arc of motion could be either leveled if we glide circular at the right speed (similar to perfectly circular orbit) or waved due to the potential energy transferring in kinetic energy if we glide elliptical at a greater speed (similar to the consequence of the prograde burn). I’d love to simply evaluate the difficulty of a setting according to the length (of strap) and spacing (distance between rings) for polygonal apparatus and most of all visualize the different types of swing in such an awesome video as you can edit them 💯 Best regards from Stuttgart, John
We have to take into account, crafts in orbit are in a state of consant free fall, which is why objects float in space. 95% of the stuff he explained are accurate and up to date. I have a tiny issue with how he described prograde and retrograde burns.
But besides that great video for people who are new to orbital mechanics 👍
I agree, you don't "fall" away from Earth due to inertia.
at 2:34 velocity and distance at apogee is v and r. how much velocity in terms of v do you need to add more to get a circular orbit of r?
Nice video, but there are some pretty big mistakes which stops me from sharing it.
At 3:00, the prograde and retrograde vectors are inverted.
At 4:17, you start saying why not burning at Earth, and you then explain the radial out burn, also with a wrong illustration, showing radial in.
4:50, you describe radial in, but the illustration shows radial out.
What gives detached rocket boosters sufficient _horizontal_ momentum relative to the earth, to achieve orbit instead of falling down?
Can you do a "Hohmann Transfer" orbit?
KSP veteran here.
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Thanks for the explanation on burning directly away from and towards the gravity source. I never realized it actually just rotated the orbit! Also good explanation on inclination burns too! These were parts of orbital mechanics that are so rarely explained.
If all transportation the earth goes back to freefall so it drop down so fast that twisting and spin in order to regain balance due to kinetic gravity cause by vauum left behind pull back earth freefal so slow it afterfew second fast falling and restore instability