KD wanting to be in the goat convo just shows how deluded he is. The current gap between MJ and LeBron in accolades is larger than what KD currently has achieved. He'd be lucky to be top10 by the end of his career.
it's not because KD's career was not your narrative media driven idea telling him lucky to a top player... if you really do play basketball then you would understand specially now that NBA is a business, if you had a chance to go to a team to compete and well paid I'm sure you would do the same...
Very cool, absolutyely love the intelligence and perspective of it all. Please Watch this K.D. It might just show him something he hasn't thought of before
He COULD HAVE been in the GOAT convo if he stayed in OKC and won a couple rings there… right now there are at least 3 other players in the NBA right now who are ahead of him in the GOAT convo… LeBron, Steph & soon Luka..
@@kdawg6887 KD has 1 MVP to Giannis’s 2, Giannis has a DPOY and 4 Defensive 1st teams to KD’s 0 and 0, 5x all-NBA 1st teams to KD’s 6 in 6 less seasons… they’re pretty close; depending on what you value (especially if you’re one of those Giannis’s 1 ring is more valuable than KD’s 2 type people) Giannis might be higher
And i may add jokic, embiid if healthy and giannis..durant will be lucky if he lands top 20 by the end of his career but i seriously doubt it...he is a great shooter and scorer, perhaps the best ever along with bird, combining shooting prowess in all three levels and the ability to score anytime..but he is not a good facilitator or playmaker, a poor rebounder for his height and an average defender..
U forgetting JOKER AND GIANNIS??? Those player are ahead of him all time but DEFINITELY not goat convo.There is only one in the goat convo that’s Lebron.The others are greats but not goat convo
The Whole Collusion Era needs to Retire for the Game to Heal from what they've done to it. Good Bye LeBronze, KD, AD, Kyrie ,HardOn and Ben. Go Away. Please
The Slim Weeper was weirdly apprehensive during his post-sweep interview today. He'll probably log into his burner Twitter (now X) account and really air his opinions there (waiting on this). Never forget that his "aversion to the media" does not mean that he doesn't dabble in the scenarios himself.
Yea you are the drunkest person I’ve ever seen type on RUclips. Horry can’t breathe the same space as KD😂😂😂 and I don’t even like KD but you need to just stfu and stop speaking from now on😂😂😂
his career high is less than LeBron's career high, Kobe's career high, Jordans career high. And obviously LeBron will keep the all time points record for a while, so how is KD the best scorer of all time if he doesn't even have a career high game of 60-70 points? And if we're talking season ppg, he's not the best at that either. He's not a scrub obviously, but probably somewhere in the top 10-15 rather than #1
Yea that was wild I used to agree with KD but he proving he horse rider not a bus driver , he hop on other people horses and try to claim Big butt Goat Pause .
That’s so cap His resume would be better than at least 1 top 10 player And I honestly it might just be Steph The only thing Steph has on him is that 2022 ring If kd somehow in a miracle wins this championship He is top 10 locked
Kevin durant is like ibrahimovich while LeBron and curry, mj are messi and Ronaldo and that's OK he's still a legend. the criticisms just don't make any sense
knicks fan here. suns s NOT super team. All u guys judge KD is based on his move to the Warriors and every time they bring his legacy they question it.I just wanna know why everyone hate kd for going to GS but don’t hate curry for begging him to come the kd hate needs to stop. it’s funny bc Barkley acts like he himself didn’t join a team he blew a 2-0 and a 3-1 series lead in back to back years to lol
Suns probably could have been a legit threat if DeAndre Ayton got a brain transplant, put Tim Duncans brain in DeAndre Aytons head and he'd still be on the Suns and helping them succeed. As far as why people don't say anything about the Warriors organization and players, they were just doing what they're supposed to do which is recruit the best they can. KD broke the rules of basketball integrity by actually going to a team that was already highly successful and didn't need help. It's like if some guy is asking someones wife if she wants to go home with them, nobody blames the guy for trying his luck, they're going to blame the wife for actually going home with him and being unfaithful, not an apples to apples comparison but it's the concept of actually accepting a deal you're not supposed too
KD at best, by the end of his career, could land top twenty..but to be honest..he would probably be at the 22nd-23rd position...i would rank oscar, west, hakeem, moses, steph, elgin, pettit, hondo, barry, and dr J ahead of him, and then there are jokic, embiid, giannis, and luka lurking to crack the top 20, unless he can win another mvp which i seriously doubt, or wins another chip..and this is only possible if he joins the nuggets or the sixers with jokic or embiid ..
Calling KD the most talented scorer in history is wild and ridiculous. MJ has 10 scoring titles and averages 37 points at a time when the average game score was around 97 points. MJs bag was much deeper than KD who is mostly an iso based mid range shooter.
He’s never had the leadership skills and every super team he’s tried making has never had an elite defensive player beside him, Kyrie harden, Beal booker like if he were team up with a kawhi or a jrue holiday or smt like that then I’d say he could actually win that year but his teams are to offensive and iso ball heavy that they don’t work in the playoffs. Kd may be one of the greatest individual players ever but he’s one of the worst team players.
lmao all that hate... did you know how LAKERS and CELTICS won 17 and 16 championships? haha... super teams exist even before, also even in MJ time also they were grooming him to be the face of NBA... if you really know business lmao...
@@TLB... idc what you just said I’m still right, he’s never had a good defensive wing with him in his last 6 years he’s never gonna win with just offense offense offense he needs defense
So teammate injuries and players with low IQ are his fault? He was robbed in 2012 against a superteam. He's the only player since 2012 and probably since 1980s who has beaten 3 championship teams in a row to get to the finals. There's no current player in the league that's done that other than him. And he did that at the age of 23.
There is no goat debate. Anyone who think there is dont know anything abt basketball. That whole "debate" is because LeBalco paid LeMedia say that. MJ is so far ahead that only one who may some day actually be in debate is Jokic. LeBalco may be all time top50 player, barely.
Yeah but he's in the NBA but you're on your COUCH! His wallet is fat, yours is not! The man that is the all time scoring leader and you say he's barley in top 50, wtf are you smoking, put the hash down!
@@gregorywilks1036 And you are where in nba? And how big your wallet is? LeBalco is stat padder, he need other players and refs carry him to win in superteams. He have zero legit chips. Zero. Only reason he is scoring leader is because he played with peds long enough. And cause heart attack to his son by teaching him use too. What a idol you have. Congrats.
❌DISAGREE❌ One championship led by him doesn’t put him in the Top 10 and it DEFINITELY DOESN’T put him in the GOAT 🐐 debate. The fact is the other 2 that he won after joining the 73-9 Warriors don’t hold that much weight. Especially with Steph having won 2 without KD. So if he wins another he’s only going to get credit for one and that’s not enough to put him in the Top 10 or GOAT debate. Even though he’ll have 3🏆🏆🏆 people will always feel some kind of way about the other two.
I can't take those stats serious anymore. Games end 147-153 or something. This has become a joke. LeBron has changed the game: He made flopping a thing. And turnovers. Curry has also changed the game - unfortunately. KD has scored a lot of points and rode along in Golden State.
Well you don't know what your talking about, those high scores you're talking about, google games from the 80's and know exactly what you're trying to talk about! Flopping? I guess you forgot Vlade Divac is the poster boy of flopping.
@@nettlarry same level? How can that be when Divac was horrendous for flopping. And let's address turnovers, many players have multiple games with 3-5 turnovers...even MJ and that's a cold hearted fact.
Y'all would sit here and say lebron the goat but he had to play 21 years just to be apart of a goat convo it don't make sense yall acting like kyrie or james or Russ help him like kyrie and wade or ray allen or Chris Bosh or ad help lebron get to all those rings and took him dam near 18 or 19 years to get 4 rings if that's goat talk then you haven a sad ass goat give kd player that's don't get hurt and help he would of had 5 ring already
The KD hate is unreal. I understand his decision to go to GS was very unpopular but ppl act like that was a dynasty he went to. In fact that move possibly kept the Warriors from being a one trick pony. Ppl already clown them for blowing a 3-1 lead, now they clown KD for going there and helping them win two more. Best player on that team no matter who's team it was (which I've always thought was a silly concept) and won 2 FMVPs, the same award ppl clowned Steph Curry about for not having up til a couple years ago. The same ppl that clown these guys are the same ppl that have either never made it to that level or won at that level.
2015 GS won the championship, the next season they ain't lost but 9 GAMES which is unheard of, then steamrolled through everybody in the playoffs though they lost the chip in 7 games which let's not forget is considered a HISTORIC accomplishment for the cavs. Also in both of these years steph win back-to-back MVPs. Culturally, GS introduced and was in the forefront of the 3PT revolution in the nba with the 2 greatest shooters OF ALL-TIME. This is what KD decided to join in 2016. That GS team is HISTORICALLY GREAT even before he joined them. Now is it his addition to the warriors that made them a dynasty like you said? arguably yes, but don't try to downplay how much of a coward move it was that KD did. to respond to your last point with an analogy: people don't have to become a great lyricists themself to criticize how mumble rappers nowadays put out cheap low-quality music. criticism from your audience is a necessary part of being great
he isnt even the best scorer. if its about stats, luka is already a better offensive weapon than durant same goes for the clutch mentality luka is ahead. if its about handles and having a bag, then kyrie is way ahead. so from both aspects he isnt the best scorer. one of the best no doubt but not the best. so no he will never be in that conversation.
The suns aren’t a super team sorry! And as great as Durant is he won’t win it alone and he definitely will not win with the players phoenix has now. Same as when the Nets had the so called super team! No Defense
I think that move by KD was weak to go to GSW. That being said Steph Curry MADE THE CALL to KD to recruit him to GSW. Steph realized that GSW couldn't beat a healthy Kyrie, Kevin Love, and LeBron James cavaliers team..
The Warriors lost by 4 points in a game 7 in a series they were leading 3-1 and might've won had Dreymond not gotten suspended in game 5. So to say they need KD and not just another decent player is a bit much.
@@joanjorge566they honestly did need kd A decent player wouldn’t have been enough Kevin love missed a game in that series They wen down 3-1 And still won They took them to 6 without kyrie or love The warriors went down 3-1 against the raptors without kd 2016-2017 cavs > 2019 raptors I say the cavs beat them niggas in 6 without kd
Ok. This world is upside down. I just heard Perkins expressing common sense.
KD gonna join the Nuggets lol
If Minnesota beats him, he joining them😂😂😂
@@Zurai-Lion true, I skipped right to the end. He def joining the Timberwolves
I believe he will
KD wanting to be in the goat convo just shows how deluded he is. The current gap between MJ and LeBron in accolades is larger than what KD currently has achieved. He'd be lucky to be top10 by the end of his career.
Yeah
Underrated comment
hes top 30
at best
He’d be lucky to be top 20
it's not because KD's career was not your narrative media driven idea telling him lucky to a top player... if you really do play basketball then you would understand specially now that NBA is a business, if you had a chance to go to a team to compete and well paid I'm sure you would do the same...
Great video production, style, pace, topic. This was a unique and cool video man
Thank you. I really appreciate it. 👊🏀
Very cool, absolutyely love the intelligence and perspective of it all. Please Watch this K.D. It might just show him something he hasn't thought of before
He COULD HAVE been in the GOAT convo if he stayed in OKC and won a couple rings there… right now there are at least 3 other players in the NBA right now who are ahead of him in the GOAT convo… LeBron, Steph & soon Luka..
LeBron, Steph, and Jokic.. one could argue Giannis
@@StellarCW to early for Giannis but I'm sure he'll be better than KD once he gets a 2nd ring
@@kdawg6887 KD has 1 MVP to Giannis’s 2, Giannis has a DPOY and 4 Defensive 1st teams to KD’s 0 and 0, 5x all-NBA 1st teams to KD’s 6 in 6 less seasons… they’re pretty close; depending on what you value (especially if you’re one of those Giannis’s 1 ring is more valuable than KD’s 2 type people) Giannis might be higher
And i may add jokic, embiid if healthy and giannis..durant will be lucky if he lands top 20 by the end of his career but i seriously doubt it...he is a great shooter and scorer, perhaps the best ever along with bird, combining shooting prowess in all three levels and the ability to score anytime..but he is not a good facilitator or playmaker, a poor rebounder for his height and an average defender..
U forgetting JOKER AND GIANNIS???
Those player are ahead of him all time but DEFINITELY not goat convo.There is only one in the goat convo that’s Lebron.The others are greats but not goat convo
KD is like a grumpy old dog still chasing cars
The Whole Collusion Era needs to Retire for the Game to Heal from what they've done to it. Good Bye LeBronze, KD, AD, Kyrie ,HardOn and Ben. Go Away. Please
get a job
Chris why don't YOU become an NBA player and show them & us how it's done.🤡
No deal is made without front office approval. It's called trading, the NBA's been doing it since its inception and will continue to do so.
Here at less than 3k. This is the next big bball channel
Not better than Bird.
Unfortunately, they have zero chance against the timberwolves. I think they will be fortunate to get 1
@@Huncho242I think it will be 6 games, Suns like booker are too good at choking
I think it goes 7, but Booker does booker things. So Wolves in 7.
The Slim Weeper was weirdly apprehensive during his post-sweep interview today. He'll probably log into his burner Twitter (now X) account and really air his opinions there (waiting on this).
Never forget that his "aversion to the media" does not mean that he doesn't dabble in the scenarios himself.
at the start of this video if you double tap back it looks like barkley doing a dinosaur bite😅😆😁🤣😂
NBA really didn't become "NBA" until late 80's- early 90's. Cable TV. Horry was same type player, just had defined roles. Earned his rings.
Yea you are the drunkest person I’ve ever seen type on RUclips. Horry can’t breathe the same space as KD😂😂😂 and I don’t even like KD but you need to just stfu and stop speaking from now on😂😂😂
good video
When I use to play we use to stop and regroup if a team was hooked up, we wanted competition, Kevin Durant wants super teams.
I love superstar players who think they're GM's. Dunning-Kruger at its finest.
That 22 ring did something 4 Steph Legacy 4real. That was Steph moment as well as Gsw proving they werent a fluke that needed KD
Shut up perks ...KD is the man
The problem is simple. As great as KD is, he will always be considered second rate because he never win a title after leaving warrior. PERIOD.
KD should've stayed with Warriors. Being past around like a $2 Bill 😂😂.
The thing is he will not be remembered for his rings. He will be remembered as the best scorer of all time
nope
his career high is less than LeBron's career high, Kobe's career high, Jordans career high. And obviously LeBron will keep the all time points record for a while, so how is KD the best scorer of all time if he doesn't even have a career high game of 60-70 points? And if we're talking season ppg, he's not the best at that either. He's not a scrub obviously, but probably somewhere in the top 10-15 rather than #1
Is this a video on X?
Jk I love you KD.
😂 nope
Yea that was wild I used to agree with KD but he proving he horse rider not a bus driver , he hop on other people horses and try to claim Big butt Goat Pause .
He still wouldn't be a top 10 player oat if he won this ring
That’s so cap
His resume would be better than at least 1 top 10 player
And I honestly it might just be Steph
The only thing Steph has on him is that 2022 ring
If kd somehow in a miracle wins this championship
He is top 10 locked
Kevin durant is like ibrahimovich while LeBron and curry, mj are messi and Ronaldo and that's OK he's still a legend. the criticisms just don't make any sense
knicks fan here. suns s NOT super team. All u guys judge KD is based on his move to the Warriors and every time they bring his legacy they question it.I just wanna know why everyone hate kd for going to GS but don’t hate curry for begging him to come the kd hate needs to stop. it’s funny bc Barkley acts like he himself didn’t join a team he blew a 2-0 and a 3-1 series lead in back to back years to lol
Suns probably could have been a legit threat if DeAndre Ayton got a brain transplant, put Tim Duncans brain in DeAndre Aytons head and he'd still be on the Suns and helping them succeed. As far as why people don't say anything about the Warriors organization and players, they were just doing what they're supposed to do which is recruit the best they can. KD broke the rules of basketball integrity by actually going to a team that was already highly successful and didn't need help.
It's like if some guy is asking someones wife if she wants to go home with them, nobody blames the guy for trying his luck, they're going to blame the wife for actually going home with him and being unfaithful, not an apples to apples comparison but it's the concept of actually accepting a deal you're not supposed too
Phoenix completely gutted theirnteam 4 superstars when ut wasnt necessary
KD at best, by the end of his career, could land top twenty..but to be honest..he would probably be at the 22nd-23rd position...i would rank oscar, west, hakeem, moses, steph, elgin, pettit, hondo, barry, and dr J ahead of him, and then there are jokic, embiid, giannis, and luka lurking to crack the top 20, unless he can win another mvp which i seriously doubt, or wins another chip..and this is only possible if he joins the nuggets or the sixers with jokic or embiid ..
Calling KD the most talented scorer in history is wild and ridiculous. MJ has 10 scoring titles and averages 37 points at a time when the average game score was around 97 points. MJs bag was much deeper than KD who is mostly an iso based mid range shooter.
How are they going to win didn't they just get swept.. I'm confused!?
Kevin Durant is not below Steph.
You don’t have to “change the game” to be a generational player. That’s a corny take
He’s never had the leadership skills and every super team he’s tried making has never had an elite defensive player beside him, Kyrie harden, Beal booker like if he were team up with a kawhi or a jrue holiday or smt like that then I’d say he could actually win that year but his teams are to offensive and iso ball heavy that they don’t work in the playoffs. Kd may be one of the greatest individual players ever but he’s one of the worst team players.
lmao all that hate... did you know how LAKERS and CELTICS won 17 and 16 championships? haha... super teams exist even before, also even in MJ time also they were grooming him to be the face of NBA... if you really know business lmao...
@@TLB... idc what you just said I’m still right, he’s never had a good defensive wing with him in his last 6 years he’s never gonna win with just offense offense offense he needs defense
This is a team sports ffs 😂
But didn't perk say rings don't make u a goat wen he was talking mj???delusional 🤦🏾♂️
7 rebounds and 4 assists per game is not that good of an average. He's just a scorer and can't win with the best teams - except the Warriors.
So teammate injuries and players with low IQ are his fault? He was robbed in 2012 against a superteam. He's the only player since 2012 and probably since 1980s who has beaten 3 championship teams in a row to get to the finals. There's no current player in the league that's done that other than him. And he did that at the age of 23.
Reverts 2 iso. I always thought OKC should of went 4 a floor general. Conley would of been gr8 of his contract wasn't so much during that time
wolves in 4
There is no goat debate. Anyone who think there is dont know anything abt basketball. That whole "debate" is because LeBalco paid LeMedia say that. MJ is so far ahead that only one who may some day actually be in debate is Jokic. LeBalco may be all time top50 player, barely.
Yeah but he's in the NBA but you're on your COUCH! His wallet is fat, yours is not! The man that is the all time scoring leader and you say he's barley in top 50, wtf are you smoking, put the hash down!
@@gregorywilks1036 And you are where in nba? And how big your wallet is?
LeBalco is stat padder, he need other players and refs carry him to win in superteams. He have zero legit chips. Zero. Only reason he is scoring leader is because he played with peds long enough. And cause heart attack to his son by teaching him use too. What a idol you have. Congrats.
@@finnishview2933 where you at it's only 18:00, nothing else to say.....i thought so!
@@gregorywilks1036 Some people cant take the truth. You are obv one of them. Sad.
❌DISAGREE❌
One championship led by him doesn’t put him in the Top 10 and it DEFINITELY DOESN’T put him in the GOAT 🐐 debate. The fact is the other 2 that he won after joining the 73-9 Warriors don’t hold that much weight. Especially with Steph having won 2 without KD. So if he wins another he’s only going to get credit for one and that’s not enough to put him in the Top 10 or GOAT debate. Even though he’ll have 3🏆🏆🏆 people will always feel some kind of way about the other two.
Lebron is a vocal leader....hmmm
I can't take those stats serious anymore. Games end 147-153 or something. This has become a joke.
LeBron has changed the game: He made flopping a thing. And turnovers.
Curry has also changed the game - unfortunately.
KD has scored a lot of points and rode along in Golden State.
Well you don't know what your talking about, those high scores you're talking about, google games from the 80's and know exactly what you're trying to talk about! Flopping? I guess you forgot Vlade Divac is the poster boy of flopping.
@@gregorywilks1036 You're right, obviously. Divac was LeBrons role model. They're about the same level.
@@nettlarry same level? How can that be when Divac was horrendous for flopping. And let's address turnovers, many players have multiple games with 3-5 turnovers...even MJ and that's a cold hearted fact.
Y'all would sit here and say lebron the goat but he had to play 21 years just to be apart of a goat convo it don't make sense yall acting like kyrie or james or Russ help him like kyrie and wade or ray allen or Chris Bosh or ad help lebron get to all those rings and took him dam near 18 or 19 years to get 4 rings if that's goat talk then you haven a sad ass goat give kd player that's don't get hurt and help he would of had 5 ring already
Neither him nor LeBronze can make up for Ruining Basketball in my mind.
The KD hate is unreal. I understand his decision to go to GS was very unpopular but ppl act like that was a dynasty he went to. In fact that move possibly kept the Warriors from being a one trick pony. Ppl already clown them for blowing a 3-1 lead, now they clown KD for going there and helping them win two more. Best player on that team no matter who's team it was (which I've always thought was a silly concept) and won 2 FMVPs, the same award ppl clowned Steph Curry about for not having up til a couple years ago. The same ppl that clown these guys are the same ppl that have either never made it to that level or won at that level.
2015 GS won the championship, the next season they ain't lost but 9 GAMES which is unheard of, then steamrolled through everybody in the playoffs though they lost the chip in 7 games which let's not forget is considered a HISTORIC accomplishment for the cavs. Also in both of these years steph win back-to-back MVPs. Culturally, GS introduced and was in the forefront of the 3PT revolution in the nba with the 2 greatest shooters OF ALL-TIME. This is what KD decided to join in 2016. That GS team is HISTORICALLY GREAT even before he joined them. Now is it his addition to the warriors that made them a dynasty like you said? arguably yes, but don't try to downplay how much of a coward move it was that KD did.
to respond to your last point with an analogy: people don't have to become a great lyricists themself to criticize how mumble rappers nowadays put out cheap low-quality music. criticism from your audience is a necessary part of being great
@@christianrg8817 we're gonna have to agree to disagree. But I do love the analogy
he isnt even the best scorer. if its about stats, luka is already a better offensive weapon than durant same goes for the clutch mentality luka is ahead. if its about handles and having a bag, then kyrie is way ahead. so from both aspects he isnt the best scorer. one of the best no doubt but not the best. so no he will never be in that conversation.
He's a really good player, but absolutely nowhere near Goat status. Sorry you have too much work to do
The suns aren’t a super team sorry! And as great as Durant is he won’t win it alone and he definitely will not win with the players phoenix has now. Same as when the Nets had the so called super team! No Defense
STOP! World knows he ain’t no dam goat
I think that move by KD was weak to go to GSW. That being said Steph Curry MADE THE CALL to KD to recruit him to GSW. Steph realized that GSW couldn't beat a healthy Kyrie, Kevin Love, and LeBron James cavaliers team..
The Warriors lost by 4 points in a game 7 in a series they were leading 3-1 and might've won had Dreymond not gotten suspended in game 5. So to say they need KD and not just another decent player is a bit much.
@@joanjorge566they honestly did need kd
A decent player wouldn’t have been enough Kevin love missed a game in that series
They wen down 3-1
And still won
They took them to 6 without kyrie or love
The warriors went down 3-1 against the raptors without kd
2016-2017 cavs > 2019 raptors
I say the cavs beat them niggas in 6 without kd
Lebron is a bus rider. KD was the bus driver for the Warriors. Those Finals MVPs proved it.
Lebron has more finals mvps than kd
They were both finals mvp for every ring they got😭