I agree 100% with what you say. Electric cars though are good enough in urban areas and not good in the suburbs and countryside at all especially cross country
No, and they never can be. Manufacturers can try all they want to push electric but they'll just sit at dealer lots for months while discontinued/prev gen models will have higher demand.
I see why not. The car will need super light materials like carbon fiber or aluminum. Imagine having instant torque and the costly item you have are tires and brake pads. No gasoline or much of maintenance cost until the battery dies. However the cost of battery production is decreasing.
Car enthusiast days are gone. I've thrown away my car magazines, I don't attend annual auto show anymore, I don't watch car review videos, I dont look at used car ads like I used to. No use being angry but rather be grateful we lived in 80's and 90's era when it was fun being a car enthusiast.
Don't let other people's interest/disinterest control whether you're into something. I love my '22 3.0 Supra. Prior to my Supra, I loved my '12 Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-Spec, and prior to that, I loved my '93 Rx-7. Sure, I don't see those Import Tuner magazines anymore, or hear about Hot Import Nights. But the enthusiast in me never died.
I will stick to buying older and simpler used cars for as long as I can. Can’t imagine owning a car with screens everywhere and an electric battery that costs tens of thousands to replace.
Damn dude. I'm 18. I buy nothing but old unreliable shit boxes and fix them when I break them. I do all of that still. I'm sure it was much more fun back then. But it's not over man.
I agree with 132% of what you're saying, but normal people simply do not care about these things. Many of them would prefer a soulless, touchscreen Keurig on wheels if provided enough range and a shorter charging time from plugging it into a wall socket. Vehicles with real engines will become a rarity, reserved for the Uber wealthy (because Ferraris, Lamborghinis and other exotics will not have to abide by global emissions standards due to being low production), or the Uber poor, who [fortunately] can not afford electric vehicles. I'm an electrical engineer saying this: electric power isn't for everything.
That's the main problem. Marketers steer market one way or the other for profit. But, what we should be doing is using all of the resources in moderation. EVs and gas cars could co-exist, but alas... Where the future prediction of big money is and the way capitalism works. It is now being steered to green washing side which is sad. It's ironic, because we went from paper bags and glas/metal containers to plastic bags and containers to preserve the earth, now we are going away from plastic bags and containers in grocery stores to save the planet once again by replacing all that with paper bags, more glass and metal. And we'll be seeing activists yet again chanting out loud how our beloved rain forests are being deforested, and the proposal will come back to plastic. See the paradox? Humanity is just too stupid to use everything in moderation. It's either this or that, never both. And if there is a choice for both, one will be made innacessible for general public.
Here's the thing: to some people, a sports car is a car that looks cool and launches like a rocket ship. To us car enthusiasts, a sports car is any car designed to feel playful and balanced, and to put the driver in control. It's about taming the machine. Different definitions, that I don't see changing any time soon. The former definition is definitely electric car territory. The latter will be more difficult.
Agreed 100% with you. I wouldn’t mind electric cars if government didn’t force companies to stop producing ICE vehicles. They should allow fair market competition and for consumer to be free to choose what to buy. Free market should decide what cars should be produced.
@@mikeyaustin7526 Not entirely. If it wasn't for emissions standards people in LA would still be chewing their air. Companies have a horrid track record for doing what's right unless they are forced to.
@brandons9138 yes obviously there needs to be government involvment LMAO but the original comment is clearly suggesting that evs shouldn't be forced, especially because gas cars do pollute do little nowadays. Therefore it is clearly a bad faith strawman because nobody said the free market should decide "everything" as the offending commenter seems to suggest
I actually agree 100% and own a few track cars, but for daily driving, my evs are best option around town. Being stuck in traffic in one of my super cars sucks. And they are awful to get repaired. Broke two transmissions and an engine last year. ive put 200,000 miles on my evs with offgrid solar power. You can work on the battery too. People who think you can't are ignorant. The battery cells are not going bad it's everything else around it. Now all the new gas and electric cars are garbage in my opinion. I hate all the software, I hate how everything is built for obsolescence etc. just garbage cars all around. Probably going to buy a second gt4 before everything goes electric 😂
Also the new EVs are using LFP and are considered non-combustible. No one seems to mention that unfortunately. I think whether or not you like or hate EVs they will take over because they are getting cheaper every day.
@@WillProwse LPF batteries are still combustible. Just less likely to do so. Lithium is the combustible element. If contains lithium it is still a fire hazard.
I am not a car guy so I have really no idea on many of these issues. But Some of those complaints are less about electric cars and more about the car industry moving towards more complex/computerized systems in general. Just because the car is electric doesn't mean it needs a fancy screen and auto driving. Although most electric cars do have these "features", it doesn't really matter what is powering the car down the road and these features and being added to gas cars as well. For better or for worse this seems to be the future of basically everything, there are pros and cons to this. As for Electric Sports cars the are Future or not. I don't see why we can't have both? In my mind sports cars are not about being practical or making sense they are about having fun and occasionally getting from point A to B in the process.
I have a lightweight car with a 5spd that only generates 122bhp, and It's so much fun to drive. It stops & corners on a dime, and that's why I love it. The overall feel & experience is what matters to me. Not for the sheer power, but how it drives & behaves overall. And it's a japanese sedan built in "99.
i drive a manual cayman s 2006. Have always driven manuals. electric cars are the future. batteries will eventually be light enough and charge faster, and have greater capacity. this is just a matter of time like the improvement on the processor speeds for computers. As for driving.....it can be programs to prevent spin out....or programmed to have a rev range...or have instant torque. fact is it will be more flexible a platform. As for the driving experience......there will just be more focus on balance and driving the line than worrying about shifting and the clutch.
I 100% agree with u man , u literally said everything i thought about or bring EV cars into a discussion . Thank you for making this video and sharing your thoughts on this topic, cause this can be very helpfully information to others who doesn't know about EV cars very well . I am honestly glad its not just me thinking like this, lol im only 23 years old but i still love combustion cars to this very day . I am sure there's many younger folks in this world are also die heart car lover or an enthusiast and i hope it stays like that in the future 👏🤜🤛
Video is on point bro.... I think the topic of alternative fuels is an interesting one and it's like you said, I also firmly believe we all want clean air and clean water... This ripping of the soul out of things is really just heart breaking at this point you know
All ur points r valid right now. I think once or if they get to a point where u can go 600 miles on one charge, and charge ur battery to 0-100% in 15 minutes then more ppl r gonna like EVs. We're just not there yet. 🤷🏻♂️
I work for Volkswagen Finance (Leasing of cars) in Sweden and a big reason why we are going toward electric vehicles is not because that's what people want. There are so many incentives when it comes to getting electric vehicles both private and through their companies that it just financially makes more sense to get one, at least short term. 99% of my colleagues drive electric and I hear a lot of complaining about them. That makes me believe it's not what people naturally want but what they are artificially made to get. Great video!
You said it, it's the subsidies and other government-supported benefits that make people choose EVs, not real and honest competition. ICE cars are being punished and made worse choice in every possible way when they are not any worse.. You can buy 20 years old ICE car and it still works fine and might work for next 20 years. Think about it, they cant be that bad..
You are often confusing "electric" cars with "modern" cars. Half of the time when you say electric cars do this or that, what you actually mean is that modern cars do it. Electric power steering has been around massively since the 2010s, it is not a feature of electric cars. You are saying the weight is too much - this is because of safety regulations mostly. Screens in cars also coincided with the moment phone and social media usage got really popular, they are not really the culprit of the electric drivetrain. You are a car enthusiast - I think we can all agree most people are not car enthusiasts. Let those people drive electric, because it's simpler and less gas will be wasted - it's reasonable if you think about it. What most people bashing on electric cars fail to understand is that even if electric cars die today they will most certainly be rebirthed in the future, just like it already happened twice. The reason is pretty simple - energy efficiency. Every process we have since the industrial revolution we have been striving for efficiency. The jump from taking out fossil fuels from the ground, transporting it, refining it, then transporting it again, and then burning it leads to an ultra-low efficiency energy transfer process. Electric on the other hand, independently of the energy container (currently it's Li-Ion batteries, which many people argue are not scalable) - you can literally create the energy on-site wherever you need it and use it with close to 90% efficiency. The future of technology is deflation - prices of energy will go down and that will inevitably push electric cars to the top - it will be the only sane choice - at some point, it will stop being a choice. It's sad news for the petrolheads, but that's how the world works.
@@dimitarstanev8201 You are cherry picking my comments and you missed the most important point which is most of us (Americans anyway) appreciate our freedoms and don’t want the government’s of the world forcing us to do anything…especially something that doesn’t work nearly as well as you claim. Also there is no guarantee that the future of tech is “deflation” all it takes is another Black Swan event and we will be set back many years…
EVs are so boring and have no soul, period. Nuclear fusion power plants are on the horizon as well as 1,000 mi range EVs. Those technologies could all but destroy any future of ICE vehicles being in production unless hydrogen powered cars take hold. If fuel cells replace battery EVs, that might leave space for hydrogen-fueled internal combustion engine vehicle market if we're lucky. If we do get hydrogen ICE cars, expect them to be heavily taxed and expensive.
i've got a bmw z4 coup cabriolet, tuned the shit out of it, has near zero electronics added a giant spoiler, painted all racy orange, added stripes like dodge viper... nothing is more fun as shifting gears and enjoying the engine purr of that thing... its the most fun thing i own (after my bike)
I feel the sane about automatics too. I had a 23 Elantra N and now a tuned 2017 Civic SI and the SI is wayyy more fun despite being a slower car. My Elantra was a DCT, arguably one of the best automatics you can get, and while I admit it was faster, it was just not fun.
I'm sure people said the same about automatic transmissions. But nowadays they are the majority of cars. I think electric cars are the future even for sports cars. Advancements in tech will lead to batteries being more efficient and more practicable even during cold seasons. However I feel like it's going to take a long while for electric cars to be mainstream. If I were to guess, I would say 20 years for electric cars to become half of consumer cars we see today on the roads.
You’re right, and I still feel the same about automatic transmissions, I hate them in anything that is supposed to be fun or sporty. Save them for grocery getters or actual race cars where every 10th of a second counts.
I have a Miata as my weekend fun car, so that tells you what I think about driving experience. A lot of the issues you talk about are happening to ICE cars also. Knobs and switches are disappearing. Electronics are taking over everything. Steering feel is a thing of the past. Weight? A Tesla Model 3 Performance and a BMW M3 wight the same. The BMW 2 series only come in about 100lbs less. I think you will see electric car makers try to increase that enthusiast experience. Ionic 5 already has paddle shifters and fake engine noise. You panned drift mode in the cars, but it's a sign that they are working towards more engagement. Not sure they will ever come close to the engagement of a manual, but I think they will try.
I don't understand why this is a conversation. EV's for day to day and if you want a "drivers" car go for a gas car, though newer ones like the new Porsche 911 will be hybrids. Long ago gas cars replaced the horse and buggy but there are still horse owners and horse enthusiasts. Gas cars will just become more niche.
You could build a lightweight short range "raw" electric cars. But like with all modern cars, people who buy cars want comfort over driving experience. This is a modern car problem exagerated by the increased weight needed for long range electric cars.
A RUclipsr, CB Media, checked out an electric Honda Civic with a manual gear box, and it demonstrates that electric cars can be fun to drive. Sadly, you can't buy anything like that off manufacturers. I've driven various electric cars, and they're so unbelievably boring to drive. I feel so disconnected from the vehicle. I have more fun in my old Toyota Yaris than any electric car I've driven.
I would like a 90s car with dual electric motors and everything else mechanical. It could have great steering feel and the instant torque of electric. Unfortunately everything is moving towards gigacasting, touchscreens, and gimmicky luxury fads instead. I test drove a model 3 performance and the acceleration is excellent but everything else is like playing a driving game on your cell phone.
I don't trust big screens, they will go out, how hot does the interior get Summer in Phoenix? Parking in that heat every day every summer, it won't last..a knob, buttons, and dials will last way longer
Agree with most of the things you are saying, but a lot of things also apply to all modern cars. Tesla being trend-setter is such a horrible thing. But you have it quite unique and good (for car enthusiasts) situation with taxes in US, rest of the world pays road tax based on either displacement, engine HP and CO2 emissions or everything combined. So, usually, it's quite expensive to own old cars (7-10+ years) with big engine and a lot of HP. Electric cars being tax-free also doesn't help ICE cars. Also, US and Canada car markets are unique in a way that people want huge fucking cars AND insane range to go with it. Almost everywhere else people are content with 250-300 miles on full battery during summer and something like small sedan/hatchback or minivan (for the family). In the end, I think hybrids will take over the market, and not simple hybrids, but more like new Honda hybrids, where ICE engines engages only on a highway or to charge up the battery in town. And all of them will be plug-in hybrids. Some of them will be pure series hybrids, using ICE engine only as a generator and, of course, there will be pure electric cars for those, who doesn't need huge range. Best case scenario - some car makers will still make small, cheap and powerful enthusiast cars like civic type r, gr corolla and elantra N. M5, S63 and 911 with V8 will remain, but they will cost so much, even rich people will think twice. Also, most people set quite high standards for car they are buying today. Everyone wants quite cabin, comfy suspension, comfortable seats with electric adjustments, high MPG, cool looks and it should at least go from 0 to 60 under 10 seconds. If you tried to sell new 7th gen civic today, even for cheap, people will be baffled by lack of features and comfort.
I think EV's really shine in electric cars with ranges less than 100 miles. It neither has the weight or charging issues that full electric's have. Its also more reliable since it has little to no parts. Quite the perfect car for people who just want to get from point A to B. Funny enough, im on the other end of the spectrum for engine. I cannot stand the sound of engines and noise in general. Most people in the public are not really interested in the "soul" of an ICE car but rather just see cars as a tool instead. I think solid state batteries will be the nail in the coffin for ICE cars, but it won't likely come for a long time. I'll probably be going with an ICE car and wait for a few more years.
Interesting tidbit, hybrids are also terrible at quickly swerving because the weight is most likely concentrated in the back of the car instead of on the floor on an EV
You only think this now because there isn't a pure EV sports car made with the driving enthusiast in mind. EVs at the moment that they have to focus on models that will sell in volume. Things like one peddle driving are not mandatory. Kia has on the fly user selectable regen breaking which works like downshifting. To say that EV sports cars will never be a thing is just short sighted and basically clickbait.
The acceleration from electric cars, from my experience, gets old very very quickly. Without sounds, shifts, feeling of the motor and transmission, or even the ability to have the vehicle be lightweight you have a pretty boring experience. I had a 200hp 90s JDM car and that was sooo much more fun than any EV that I've driven
We need speed limiters on cars, that would end the nonsense, either that or we get police to do police stuff again People's right to have fun, put other people in danger
actually when it comes to the data people spend much less money in the long run with an electric car vs a gas powered car. Electric cars are much more reliable. Hybrids may have more things to go wrong but the Toyota Prius for example is one of the most reliable model of car on the road. Other brands may not be though
@@thecastleofenlightenment2604 EVs are NOT more reliable. According to a 2023 Consumer Reports Survey EVs have 79% more problems on average than gas powered cars.. The most reliable vehicles, hands down are Toyotas from the 90s and 2000s…they run forever-you still see plenty on the road. Hell they even have them running in 3rd world countries where they have been beat to hell.
Not so much if you factor in depreciation…I know a couple of people who have traded in their Teslas Plaids Model X & S and they both lost a ton of money…
@@PhilipTamorria You're most definitely right about depreciation that's why you buy used lol it's not smart to buy a new car even if it's gas powered. unless you're just wealthy af and it doesn't matter
@@PhilipTamorria although one more thing about depreciation a lot of people who buy Tesla's wouldn't want to sell it anyways so if that's the case for the given driver, depreciation is irrelevant . Depreciation only matters if you're someone who likes to have a different vehicle all the time. if that's you then yeah new EV's would be a terrible investment for you.
Unfortunately car enthusiasts like yourself are a dying breed. The vast majority of people do not care about how exciting a car is or how much of a soul it has because for most people most time spent in their car is some variation of sitting in traffic commuting to their boring jobs, dropping off the kids for their activities, going shopping, or visiting grandma. The car is just an appliance to enable them to do this, and EVs do that job perfectly. What the everyday person sees in an EV is a silent, safe, and comfortable car with plenty of power where it counts: for those red-light drag races so they can beat everyone to the on-ramp. And if they have a drive-way to install a charge point? Man, even better. Just plug in at night and leave with a full battery every day, no more hassle with stopping for fuel. Other than that you make a lot of very valid points. There's only a couple I have an issue with. EVs, I feel, are actually going to be the right choice for a majority of people, not just 10%. Running costs should be lower for EVs. No oil to change, no engine components to go bad, no timing belts, no valves or gearboxes, no sparkplugs or exhaust systems, no throttle bodies or EGR valves, ... if you don't hammer the pedal constantly tires shouldn't be an issue either, and with one pedal driving brakes should last forever too. And, ideally, you'd need to worry about replacing the battery about as much as you'd need to worry about replacing an engine. But more longevity data is required here that we literally don't have yet because most EVs are simply too new. We can't keep driving ICE on fossil fuels unfortunately, something has to change. Everything else you've said is pretty spot on because EVs are not here to save the environment, they're here to save the car industry. Coming from someone who's gone EV years ago and generally enjoys it btw.
I have a pretty unique perspective, I have been around cars and industrial electric motors since I was a kid, and I found out about the electric cars when I was 8-9, and I have been reading a lot about them, while still growing up as a petrol head. I think it is possible for electric sports cars to exist, I had a chance to drive an electric NA Miata and it was just as fun as the gas one, just in a different way. However I don't like what the car industry is turning into, and especially what it does to the electric cars. Just like any fun car, electric cars are the best when they are light and simple (contrary to popular belief, ICE cars are way more complex than electric cars). But somehow (Tesla) people are associating electric with high tech, and I don't like it at all. As for the push and mandates to switch to electric, that's a whole new issue. I would be cool if boring grocery getter cars switch to alternative fuels. Sports cars, it all depends on who is designing them. Ferdinand Porsche designed a gas-electric hybrid in the 1920s, and he knew a thing or two how to build a fun car. So I am eagerly waiting for someone to build a simple and fun electric sports car in the 21st century.
After watching videos of people dealing with dead Teslas, nope. I don't need to electrocute myself working on my car or struggle to get the hood or door open. Battery fires burn with higher heat. They aren't ready for prime time.
Fire departments have to buy these heavy blankets to cover the whole car to smother the fire, then flatbed it to some isolated area under police and fire truck escort in case it reignites.
how can you say electric sports cars aren't the future when there isn't even one in existence yet?? teslas are camrys not supras, they arent meant to be sports cars.
@@fxzn Just because they aren’t available for sale yet doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Also maybe you’ve heard of the Rimic Nevera, the 5100lbs electric Hypercar, which is technically a sports car. Not to mention Tesla made an electric Roadster many years ago
Electric sports car is an Oxymoron. I don't hate EV's. I actually quite like them for commuter use. But a sporty EV makes no sense, it's like non-alcoholic beer: You take away what made it good in the first place.
All the points you mentions are not convincing at all 😂..It is just a bitch and moan about EV and your own opinion….In fact nothing you mention that bothers me… EV is fast, effortless to drive, I have almost no maintenance and takes me from A to B. I charge at home at night and wake up with 80% of battery. I never have to visit dodgy gas station ever. I love it and don’t have plans going back to gas..
I couldn’t care less if you are convinced or not, that wasn’t my intent. My intent was to provoke an emotional response and get people to comment…like you just did…seriously, enjoy your electric car. I’m happy for you…
I'm gonna hit you with a lil bit of reality as a fellow enthusiast. Exactly the same age. We are a very very small subset of car buyers lotta people don't even know the differences between the engine types mentioned in the beginning of the video. Cars are appliances.. tools to most people. My wife didn't even know she could adjust the steering wheel and the seat.... Now as for me i used to modify cars for speed and i will never ever do that again. Now i only modify for looks with wheels tires and suspension and even with that it's only for my weekend car. My dd will be stock and you guessed it it'll be an appliance. I don't even care about a stick shift anymore. Look no further than the popularity of SUVs.. these no enthusiast with an ounce of pride that will love those things yet here we are. Trucks and SUVs are the top sellers. It's just a meter of time till evs catch on.. by the way my appliance is a Toyota Camry and it's a soul less hybrid. I just read that Titus will be an all hybrid company on very short order. You see where I'm going with this. So this rant is to say i feel your pain, i understand it but fully disagree with your video. Brace yourself its coming. Also I'm looking into a used taycan 4s
I think hybrid is the way. Especially how Bugatti and Porsche T-Hybrid do it. Gets you the best of all worlds. Minimal weight penalty and still instant torque with a power boost and a cool ICE
Are electric sports cars the future? What are your thoughts?
I agree 100% with what you say. Electric cars though are good enough in urban areas and not good in the suburbs and countryside at all especially cross country
@@tleoipl37 yea exactly man 💯
No, and they never can be. Manufacturers can try all they want to push electric but they'll just sit at dealer lots for months while discontinued/prev gen models will have higher demand.
I see why not. The car will need super light materials like carbon fiber or aluminum. Imagine having instant torque and the costly item you have are tires and brake pads. No gasoline or much of maintenance cost until the battery dies. However the cost of battery production is decreasing.
@@1HeatWalkNot for me, plus instant torque isn’t that great on the backroads…I prefer a car the builds power through a rev range
Car enthusiast days are gone. I've thrown away my car magazines, I don't attend annual auto show anymore, I don't watch car review videos, I dont look at used car ads like I used to. No use being angry but rather be grateful we lived in 80's and 90's era when it was fun being a car enthusiast.
Don't let other people's interest/disinterest control whether you're into something. I love my '22 3.0 Supra. Prior to my Supra, I loved my '12 Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-Spec, and prior to that, I loved my '93 Rx-7.
Sure, I don't see those Import Tuner magazines anymore, or hear about Hot Import Nights. But the enthusiast in me never died.
@@tizodd6 💯 facts brother, 💯 facts.
I will stick to buying older and simpler used cars for as long as I can. Can’t imagine owning a car with screens everywhere and an electric battery that costs tens of thousands to replace.
@@Sam-uy7oq 💯💯
Damn dude. I'm 18. I buy nothing but old unreliable shit boxes and fix them when I break them. I do all of that still. I'm sure it was much more fun back then. But it's not over man.
I agree with 132% of what you're saying, but normal people simply do not care about these things. Many of them would prefer a soulless, touchscreen Keurig on wheels if provided enough range and a shorter charging time from plugging it into a wall socket. Vehicles with real engines will become a rarity, reserved for the Uber wealthy (because Ferraris, Lamborghinis and other exotics will not have to abide by global emissions standards due to being low production), or the Uber poor, who [fortunately] can not afford electric vehicles. I'm an electrical engineer saying this: electric power isn't for everything.
@@ssjlkrillin Thanks for your points man! I agree, people just don’t care about the same things that us enthusiasts do.
That's the main problem. Marketers steer market one way or the other for profit. But, what we should be doing is using all of the resources in moderation. EVs and gas cars could co-exist, but alas... Where the future prediction of big money is and the way capitalism works. It is now being steered to green washing side which is sad. It's ironic, because we went from paper bags and glas/metal containers to plastic bags and containers to preserve the earth, now we are going away from plastic bags and containers in grocery stores to save the planet once again by replacing all that with paper bags, more glass and metal. And we'll be seeing activists yet again chanting out loud how our beloved rain forests are being deforested, and the proposal will come back to plastic.
See the paradox?
Humanity is just too stupid to use everything in moderation. It's either this or that, never both. And if there is a choice for both, one will be made innacessible for general public.
automatic transmission takes 70% of the fun out of a car
the electric part takes the other 30%
in my gearhead opinion
@@krellin 🤘🤘
Other way round for me but either way 100% of it is removed, may as well drive a fridge
John Wick didn’t fight for a Mustang Mach E
@@DawudSeni facts 🦾
Here's the thing: to some people, a sports car is a car that looks cool and launches like a rocket ship. To us car enthusiasts, a sports car is any car designed to feel playful and balanced, and to put the driver in control. It's about taming the machine. Different definitions, that I don't see changing any time soon. The former definition is definitely electric car territory. The latter will be more difficult.
@@jochem1986 🤘🤘
Agreed 100% with you. I wouldn’t mind electric cars if government didn’t force companies to stop producing ICE vehicles. They should allow fair market competition and for consumer to be free to choose what to buy. Free market should decide what cars should be produced.
@@Sam-uy7oq Yes exactly! Spot on!
Yes I think the free market should decide everything! The government is such a waste. If a company wants to pollute my drinking water, so what?!
What a ridiculous bad faith strawman @@sauceman5498
@@mikeyaustin7526 Not entirely. If it wasn't for emissions standards people in LA would still be chewing their air. Companies have a horrid track record for doing what's right unless they are forced to.
@brandons9138 yes obviously there needs to be government involvment LMAO but the original comment is clearly suggesting that evs shouldn't be forced, especially because gas cars do pollute do little nowadays. Therefore it is clearly a bad faith strawman because nobody said the free market should decide "everything" as the offending commenter seems to suggest
I actually agree 100% and own a few track cars, but for daily driving, my evs are best option around town. Being stuck in traffic in one of my super cars sucks. And they are awful to get repaired. Broke two transmissions and an engine last year. ive put 200,000 miles on my evs with offgrid solar power. You can work on the battery too. People who think you can't are ignorant. The battery cells are not going bad it's everything else around it.
Now all the new gas and electric cars are garbage in my opinion. I hate all the software, I hate how everything is built for obsolescence etc. just garbage cars all around.
Probably going to buy a second gt4 before everything goes electric 😂
Also the new EVs are using LFP and are considered non-combustible. No one seems to mention that unfortunately. I think whether or not you like or hate EVs they will take over because they are getting cheaper every day.
@@WillProwse totally agree about the planned obsolescence with new vehicles 💯 Thanks for commenting
@@WillProwse LPF batteries are still combustible. Just less likely to do so. Lithium is the combustible element. If contains lithium it is still a fire hazard.
I am not a car guy so I have really no idea on many of these issues. But Some of those complaints are less about electric cars and more about the car industry moving towards more complex/computerized systems in general. Just because the car is electric doesn't mean it needs a fancy screen and auto driving. Although most electric cars do have these "features", it doesn't really matter what is powering the car down the road and these features and being added to gas cars as well.
For better or for worse this seems to be the future of basically everything, there are pros and cons to this.
As for Electric Sports cars the are Future or not. I don't see why we can't have both? In my mind sports cars are not about being practical or making sense they are about having fun and occasionally getting from point A to B in the process.
I have a lightweight car with a 5spd that only generates 122bhp, and It's so much fun to drive. It stops & corners on a dime, and that's why I love it. The overall feel & experience is what matters to me. Not for the sheer power, but how it drives & behaves overall. And it's a japanese sedan built in "99.
@@lobsterbisque7567 💯💯
i drive a manual cayman s 2006. Have always driven manuals. electric cars are the future. batteries will eventually be light enough and charge faster, and have greater capacity. this is just a matter of time like the improvement on the processor speeds for computers. As for driving.....it can be programs to prevent spin out....or programmed to have a rev range...or have instant torque. fact is it will be more flexible a platform. As for the driving experience......there will just be more focus on balance and driving the line than worrying about shifting and the clutch.
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I 100% agree with u man , u literally said everything i thought about or bring EV cars into a discussion . Thank you for making this video and sharing your thoughts on this topic, cause this can be very helpfully information to others who doesn't know about EV cars very well . I am honestly glad its not just me thinking like this, lol im only 23 years old but i still love combustion cars to this very day . I am sure there's many younger folks in this world are also die heart car lover or an enthusiast and i hope it stays like that in the future 👏🤜🤛
Thanks man I appreciate it. Getting a lot of hate from the EV crowd but it’s all good. 🤘💯
Video is on point bro.... I think the topic of alternative fuels is an interesting one and it's like you said, I also firmly believe we all want clean air and clean water... This ripping of the soul out of things is really just heart breaking at this point you know
@@FabFuentes Thanks man! I appreciate it! The EV nerds are after me again! lol
All ur points r valid right now. I think once or if they get to a point where u can go 600 miles on one charge, and charge ur battery to 0-100% in 15 minutes then more ppl r gonna like EVs. We're just not there yet. 🤷🏻♂️
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I work for Volkswagen Finance (Leasing of cars) in Sweden and a big reason why we are going toward electric vehicles is not because that's what people want.
There are so many incentives when it comes to getting electric vehicles both private and through their companies that it just financially makes more sense to get one, at least short term.
99% of my colleagues drive electric and I hear a lot of complaining about them. That makes me believe it's not what people naturally want but what they are artificially made to get.
Great video!
@@hampuswallin5942 Thank You! I appreciate it! And thanks for your input. 💯
You said it, it's the subsidies and other government-supported benefits that make people choose EVs, not real and honest competition. ICE cars are being punished and made worse choice in every possible way when they are not any worse.. You can buy 20 years old ICE car and it still works fine and might work for next 20 years. Think about it, they cant be that bad..
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I wish everyone had this way of thinking. I don't like it as well, when drivers pull out in front of me and don't want to use their gas.
@@Blacktemplewarrior 💯💯💯
You are often confusing "electric" cars with "modern" cars. Half of the time when you say electric cars do this or that, what you actually mean is that modern cars do it. Electric power steering has been around massively since the 2010s, it is not a feature of electric cars. You are saying the weight is too much - this is because of safety regulations mostly. Screens in cars also coincided with the moment phone and social media usage got really popular, they are not really the culprit of the electric drivetrain. You are a car enthusiast - I think we can all agree most people are not car enthusiasts. Let those people drive electric, because it's simpler and less gas will be wasted - it's reasonable if you think about it.
What most people bashing on electric cars fail to understand is that even if electric cars die today they will most certainly be rebirthed in the future, just like it already happened twice. The reason is pretty simple - energy efficiency. Every process we have since the industrial revolution we have been striving for efficiency. The jump from taking out fossil fuels from the ground, transporting it, refining it, then transporting it again, and then burning it leads to an ultra-low efficiency energy transfer process. Electric on the other hand, independently of the energy container (currently it's Li-Ion batteries, which many people argue are not scalable) - you can literally create the energy on-site wherever you need it and use it with close to 90% efficiency. The future of technology is deflation - prices of energy will go down and that will inevitably push electric cars to the top - it will be the only sane choice - at some point, it will stop being a choice. It's sad news for the petrolheads, but that's how the world works.
@@dimitarstanev8201 You are cherry picking my comments and you missed the most important point which is most of us (Americans anyway) appreciate our freedoms and don’t want the government’s of the world forcing us to do anything…especially something that doesn’t work nearly as well as you claim. Also there is no guarantee that the future of tech is “deflation” all it takes is another Black Swan event and we will be set back many years…
EVs are so boring and have no soul, period.
Nuclear fusion power plants are on the horizon as well as 1,000 mi range EVs. Those technologies could all but destroy any future of ICE vehicles being in production unless hydrogen powered cars take hold. If fuel cells replace battery EVs, that might leave space for hydrogen-fueled internal combustion engine vehicle market if we're lucky.
If we do get hydrogen ICE cars, expect them to be heavily taxed and expensive.
@@slowanddeliberate6893 Hydrogen combustion is a dead end.
Bought a 2024 WRX and will continue to buy and support manual combustion vehicles as long as I can fuel them up at the pump
@@murmur9152 💯💯
Dude I just bought a link & co 03+ and it is so much fun. I don’t think electric cars would give me as much fun as this.
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i've got a bmw z4 coup cabriolet, tuned the shit out of it, has near zero electronics
added a giant spoiler, painted all racy orange, added stripes like dodge viper... nothing is more fun as shifting gears and enjoying the engine purr of that thing...
its the most fun thing i own (after my bike)
I feel the sane about automatics too. I had a 23 Elantra N and now a tuned 2017 Civic SI and the SI is wayyy more fun despite being a slower car. My Elantra was a DCT, arguably one of the best automatics you can get, and while I admit it was faster, it was just not fun.
All cool cars though!
civic si more fun than the elantra N? the hell? why didn’t you just get a manual EN?
I agree 100 % with you . Evs are all the same.
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I'm sure people said the same about automatic transmissions. But nowadays they are the majority of cars. I think electric cars are the future even for sports cars. Advancements in tech will lead to batteries being more efficient and more practicable even during cold seasons. However I feel like it's going to take a long while for electric cars to be mainstream. If I were to guess, I would say 20 years for electric cars to become half of consumer cars we see today on the roads.
@@Hello123-b7l probably minimum of 20 years, and that’s if things go well…
You’re right, and I still feel the same about automatic transmissions, I hate them in anything that is supposed to be fun or sporty. Save them for grocery getters or actual race cars where every 10th of a second counts.
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@@kuabarraunfortunately the market preference says otherwise.
People didn’t want manuals and that’s why they are hardly produced anymore
I love my 2014 BRZ :)
@@normanCLAN those are great cars! Light and nimble!
@@PhilipTamorria Yes sir!
I have a Miata as my weekend fun car, so that tells you what I think about driving experience. A lot of the issues you talk about are happening to ICE cars also. Knobs and switches are disappearing. Electronics are taking over everything. Steering feel is a thing of the past. Weight? A Tesla Model 3 Performance and a BMW M3 wight the same. The BMW 2 series only come in about 100lbs less. I think you will see electric car makers try to increase that enthusiast experience. Ionic 5 already has paddle shifters and fake engine noise. You panned drift mode in the cars, but it's a sign that they are working towards more engagement. Not sure they will ever come close to the engagement of a manual, but I think they will try.
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I don't understand why this is a conversation. EV's for day to day and if you want a "drivers" car go for a gas car, though newer ones like the new Porsche 911 will be hybrids. Long ago gas cars replaced the horse and buggy but there are still horse owners and horse enthusiasts. Gas cars will just become more niche.
You could build a lightweight short range "raw" electric cars. But like with all modern cars, people who buy cars want comfort over driving experience. This is a modern car problem exagerated by the increased weight needed for long range electric cars.
@@mikos321 true!
A RUclipsr, CB Media, checked out an electric Honda Civic with a manual gear box, and it demonstrates that electric cars can be fun to drive. Sadly, you can't buy anything like that off manufacturers.
I've driven various electric cars, and they're so unbelievably boring to drive. I feel so disconnected from the vehicle. I have more fun in my old Toyota Yaris than any electric car I've driven.
@@mrtransistor6173 💯💯
EV in general in the US are dieing out. People aren't buying them anymore
@@ManuelFresh100 💯💯
Give it time when tarrifs are removed from Chinese EVs. It will make good financial sense owning one.
@@1HeatWalk Hard disagree those cars are complete garbage…the worse of the worst
@@1HeatWalkthey are cheap and practical but that comes at a cost. From what I’ve heard Chinese ev manufacturers have serious quality control problems
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I would like a 90s car with dual electric motors and everything else mechanical. It could have great steering feel and the instant torque of electric. Unfortunately everything is moving towards gigacasting, touchscreens, and gimmicky luxury fads instead.
I test drove a model 3 performance and the acceleration is excellent but everything else is like playing a driving game on your cell phone.
@@N20Joe 🤘🤘
Alcohol electric hybrid should be a thing. Burns clean and doesn't need much in batteries.
@@Boomtendo4tw I think hybrids will be the future for a while.
Hybrids are great. EV's have the fire danger and range anxiety. 40% of EV drivers are going back to gas.
@@sptrader6316 🤘🤘
You know more hybrids catch fire than even gas and Eva put together right 😂
Went from Kia K5 to Tesla Model 3. Big mistake. Went 718 Cayman S PDK and now a 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 MT. Haven’t looked back once.
@@LetsDraw12 love the 718s! The Kia K5 GT is very cool for the money too!
I don't trust big screens, they will go out, how hot does the interior get Summer in Phoenix? Parking in that heat every day every summer, it won't last..a knob, buttons, and dials will last way longer
@@jamesgonzales6086 totally 💯
I wonder how much they'll charge for replacement screens.
@@doom4067 too much!
Not much of a fan of electrics, but "never will be" is a heck of a stretch.
Are you aware of Lucid?
Go watch Savage Geese and their review of Lucid.
Agree with most of the things you are saying, but a lot of things also apply to all modern cars. Tesla being trend-setter is such a horrible thing.
But you have it quite unique and good (for car enthusiasts) situation with taxes in US, rest of the world pays road tax based on either displacement, engine HP and CO2 emissions or everything combined. So, usually, it's quite expensive to own old cars (7-10+ years) with big engine and a lot of HP. Electric cars being tax-free also doesn't help ICE cars.
Also, US and Canada car markets are unique in a way that people want huge fucking cars AND insane range to go with it. Almost everywhere else people are content with 250-300 miles on full battery during summer and something like small sedan/hatchback or minivan (for the family).
In the end, I think hybrids will take over the market, and not simple hybrids, but more like new Honda hybrids, where ICE engines engages only on a highway or to charge up the battery in town. And all of them will be plug-in hybrids. Some of them will be pure series hybrids, using ICE engine only as a generator and, of course, there will be pure electric cars for those, who doesn't need huge range.
Best case scenario - some car makers will still make small, cheap and powerful enthusiast cars like civic type r, gr corolla and elantra N. M5, S63 and 911 with V8 will remain, but they will cost so much, even rich people will think twice.
Also, most people set quite high standards for car they are buying today. Everyone wants quite cabin, comfy suspension, comfortable seats with electric adjustments, high MPG, cool looks and it should at least go from 0 to 60 under 10 seconds. If you tried to sell new 7th gen civic today, even for cheap, people will be baffled by lack of features and comfort.
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all reasons i love electric cars and hybrids. ill never drive a purely gas powered car again.
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I think EV's really shine in electric cars with ranges less than 100 miles. It neither has the weight or charging issues that full electric's have. Its also more reliable since it has little to no parts. Quite the perfect car for people who just want to get from point A to B.
Funny enough, im on the other end of the spectrum for engine. I cannot stand the sound of engines and noise in general. Most people in the public are not really interested in the "soul" of an ICE car but rather just see cars as a tool instead.
I think solid state batteries will be the nail in the coffin for ICE cars, but it won't likely come for a long time. I'll probably be going with an ICE car and wait for a few more years.
Interesting tidbit, hybrids are also terrible at quickly swerving because the weight is most likely concentrated in the back of the car instead of on the floor on an EV
You only think this now because there isn't a pure EV sports car made with the driving enthusiast in mind. EVs at the moment that they have to focus on models that will sell in volume. Things like one peddle driving are not mandatory. Kia has on the fly user selectable regen breaking which works like downshifting. To say that EV sports cars will never be a thing is just short sighted and basically clickbait.
The acceleration from electric cars, from my experience, gets old very very quickly. Without sounds, shifts, feeling of the motor and transmission, or even the ability to have the vehicle be lightweight you have a pretty boring experience. I had a 200hp 90s JDM car and that was sooo much more fun than any EV that I've driven
@@redparis9225 Totally 💯 Agree.
@@oxaile4021 EVs feel clunky to me. Lots of nose dive under braking, sloppy lifeless steering and just lousy on a backroad or a racetrack
You’re not wrong I’m 30 years old and looking forward to go from a sedan to a suv but I’m not gonna buy new lol I like owning my car
@@BankaiFever 🤘🤘
We need speed limiters on cars, that would end the nonsense, either that or we get police to do police stuff again
People's right to have fun, put other people in danger
We definitely need to allow the Police to do their job
I'd like to see it happen
@@rp9674 💯💯
Tesla semi crashed and caught fire, shit down highway most the day (80 in sierra, 2 hours east of Sacramento)
Yep!
actually when it comes to the data people spend much less money in the long run with an electric car vs a gas powered car. Electric cars are much more reliable. Hybrids may have more things to go wrong but the Toyota Prius for example is one of the most reliable model of car on the road. Other brands may not be though
@@thecastleofenlightenment2604 EVs are NOT more reliable. According to a 2023 Consumer Reports Survey EVs have 79% more problems on average than gas powered cars.. The most reliable vehicles, hands down are Toyotas from the 90s and 2000s…they run forever-you still see plenty on the road. Hell they even have them running in 3rd world countries where they have been beat to hell.
Not so much if you factor in depreciation…I know a couple of people who have traded in their Teslas Plaids Model X & S and they both lost a ton of money…
@@PhilipTamorria You're most definitely right about depreciation that's why you buy used lol
it's not smart to buy a new car even if it's gas powered. unless you're just wealthy af and it doesn't matter
@@PhilipTamorria although one more thing about depreciation a lot of people who buy Tesla's wouldn't want to sell it anyways so if that's the case for the given driver, depreciation is irrelevant . Depreciation only matters if you're someone who likes to have a different vehicle all the time. if that's you then yeah new EV's would be a terrible investment for you.
Unfortunately car enthusiasts like yourself are a dying breed. The vast majority of people do not care about how exciting a car is or how much of a soul it has because for most people most time spent in their car is some variation of sitting in traffic commuting to their boring jobs, dropping off the kids for their activities, going shopping, or visiting grandma. The car is just an appliance to enable them to do this, and EVs do that job perfectly.
What the everyday person sees in an EV is a silent, safe, and comfortable car with plenty of power where it counts: for those red-light drag races so they can beat everyone to the on-ramp. And if they have a drive-way to install a charge point? Man, even better. Just plug in at night and leave with a full battery every day, no more hassle with stopping for fuel.
Other than that you make a lot of very valid points. There's only a couple I have an issue with.
EVs, I feel, are actually going to be the right choice for a majority of people, not just 10%.
Running costs should be lower for EVs. No oil to change, no engine components to go bad, no timing belts, no valves or gearboxes, no sparkplugs or exhaust systems, no throttle bodies or EGR valves, ... if you don't hammer the pedal constantly tires shouldn't be an issue either, and with one pedal driving brakes should last forever too.
And, ideally, you'd need to worry about replacing the battery about as much as you'd need to worry about replacing an engine. But more longevity data is required here that we literally don't have yet because most EVs are simply too new.
We can't keep driving ICE on fossil fuels unfortunately, something has to change.
Everything else you've said is pretty spot on because EVs are not here to save the environment, they're here to save the car industry.
Coming from someone who's gone EV years ago and generally enjoys it btw.
I have a pretty unique perspective, I have been around cars and industrial electric motors since I was a kid, and I found out about the electric cars when I was 8-9, and I have been reading a lot about them, while still growing up as a petrol head. I think it is possible for electric sports cars to exist, I had a chance to drive an electric NA Miata and it was just as fun as the gas one, just in a different way. However I don't like what the car industry is turning into, and especially what it does to the electric cars. Just like any fun car, electric cars are the best when they are light and simple (contrary to popular belief, ICE cars are way more complex than electric cars). But somehow (Tesla) people are associating electric with high tech, and I don't like it at all. As for the push and mandates to switch to electric, that's a whole new issue. I would be cool if boring grocery getter cars switch to alternative fuels. Sports cars, it all depends on who is designing them. Ferdinand Porsche designed a gas-electric hybrid in the 1920s, and he knew a thing or two how to build a fun car. So I am eagerly waiting for someone to build a simple and fun electric sports car in the 21st century.
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If I was forced to buy an electric car, I’d rather have fake gears.
@@DW94576 True!
The only good thing about electric cars and one pedal driving is using them in traffic
@@Toyota4Life 🤘😂
After watching videos of people dealing with dead Teslas, nope. I don't need to electrocute myself working on my car or struggle to get the hood or door open. Battery fires burn with higher heat. They aren't ready for prime time.
@@TK-ff5kc 💯💯
And you can't hose down a battery died.
@@doom4067 💯💯
Fire departments have to buy these heavy blankets to cover the whole car to smother the fire, then flatbed it to some isolated area under police and fire truck escort in case it reignites.
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Billions will bus and train
how can you say electric sports cars aren't the future when there isn't even one in existence yet?? teslas are camrys not supras, they arent meant to be sports cars.
@@fxzn Just because they aren’t available for sale yet doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Also maybe you’ve heard of the Rimic Nevera, the 5100lbs electric Hypercar, which is technically a sports car. Not to mention Tesla made an electric Roadster many years ago
You forgot two things. Evs are worse for the environment, and they are a major fire hazard with their current batteries.
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But Phil, the Mustang Mach E is soooo sexy and fast 🤣🤣
@@lx2nv You have one ordered for your BBQ business don’t you?! 😂
@@PhilipTamorria you caught me 🤣🤣🤣
@@lx2nv 😂😂
I still can't believe that they put the Mustang name on that thing.
@@doom4067 have you seen the Raptor Mustang? Can't decide if I love or hate. Or both 🤣🤣
Electric sports car is an Oxymoron.
I don't hate EV's. I actually quite like them for commuter use. But a sporty EV makes no sense, it's like non-alcoholic beer: You take away what made it good in the first place.
@@DioTheGreatOne great analogy 💯
There will be an alternative fuel source, just hoping sooner than later..
Electricity is the alternative fuel source
@@mattfleig2621 I hope so…synthetic fuels look promising
@PhilipTamorri if you like paying 10X the price of gas 😂
EVs 👎
@@normanCLAN 💯💯
Way too heavy to be a sports car
@@janjachymiak9013 🤘🦾
All the points you mentions are not convincing at all 😂..It is just a bitch and moan about EV and your own opinion….In fact nothing you mention that bothers me… EV is fast, effortless to drive, I have almost no maintenance and takes me from A to B. I charge at home at night and wake up with 80% of battery. I never have to visit dodgy gas station ever. I love it and don’t have plans going back to gas..
I couldn’t care less if you are convinced or not, that wasn’t my intent. My intent was to provoke an emotional response and get people to comment…like you just did…seriously, enjoy your electric car. I’m happy for you…
Let us know when you need to replace the battery and it costs more than the car is worth.
@@doom4067exactly
@@doom4067you dont batteries don't just go out like that it takes years for them to degrade but all you lose is range the car still works just fine
I'm gonna hit you with a lil bit of reality as a fellow enthusiast. Exactly the same age. We are a very very small subset of car buyers lotta people don't even know the differences between the engine types mentioned in the beginning of the video. Cars are appliances.. tools to most people. My wife didn't even know she could adjust the steering wheel and the seat.... Now as for me i used to modify cars for speed and i will never ever do that again. Now i only modify for looks with wheels tires and suspension and even with that it's only for my weekend car. My dd will be stock and you guessed it it'll be an appliance. I don't even care about a stick shift anymore. Look no further than the popularity of SUVs.. these no enthusiast with an ounce of pride that will love those things yet here we are. Trucks and SUVs are the top sellers. It's just a meter of time till evs catch on.. by the way my appliance is a Toyota Camry and it's a soul less hybrid. I just read that Titus will be an all hybrid company on very short order. You see where I'm going with this. So this rant is to say i feel your pain, i understand it but fully disagree with your video. Brace yourself its coming. Also I'm looking into a used taycan 4s
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When you say you fully disagree with me do you mean with the title I used for clickbait or what I actually say in the video. Lol
@@PhilipTamorriajust the title and I some of the video. But I can tell we're very much alike down to the car you were driving. It's a Toyota right?
@@JamaicanMeCrazy Close, Honda Accord
I think hybrid is the way. Especially how Bugatti and Porsche T-Hybrid do it. Gets you the best of all worlds. Minimal weight penalty and still instant torque with a power boost and a cool ICE
Love what Bugatti did with the Tourbillon