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We have done the opposite and gone from a motorhome to a v dub. Found it so much easier to park and more fun to drive. Having said that there is just the 2 of us. Really depends on what suit the individual . Happy camping guys.
We agree. Everyone has different requirements and those can also change over time. Many thanks for your comments and we also wish you many happy travels.
Similar to us except we went from V dub, to motorchome to Vivaro, just hated driving the motorhome. Couldn't wait to get there and park the damn thing. The Vauxhall is a joy to drive, just like a car, maybe better.
Love the way you both interact with each other,very balanced and charming.I really like your objectivity and Frans warm friendly expressions and presence …..make me smile
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A excellent Video on plus and negatives of camper van over Motorhome, we had camper vans and now last two Motorhome, still happy with m/H as we go on holidays for 4/5 weeks and love the extra room this M/H 6.3 mtr.
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Comprehensive video. We had a large Carthago years ago. Over 3.5 tons so couldn’t enter many towns in France and couldn’t park anywhere in the UK. Downsized to Autosleeper Peugeot boxer conversion. Fitted on drive but still had problems parking in towns or car parks. Sold up 5 years ago. Now buying a T6.1 conversion so that it fits on the drive and we can park nearly everywhere. We weighed up the pros and cons of MH v. camper and decided that in our case, the camper met our needs for flexibility. Yes, not so fully featured as a MH and lacks the toilet, but that is a downside we’re going to accept so that we can take day trips, short breaks and perhaps longer breaks in UK and Europe. We loved the motor homes but felt constrained in our choices of where to go, so we sold up. Having had the experience, the camper van is our new choice, even though there are negatives, at least we are aware and not naive about the issues. Thank you for making a very useful video.
Awesome. Did you find you missed the Carthago when you had the Autosleeper? Both look like great vehicles. I bet you have a good list of places to recommend?? 😊 Many thanks for your comments.
@@LiveforTravel Hi. The Carthago was in a class of its own but was a monster to drive and my wife would never drive it. The Autosleeper was well specd but I never felt cosy in it. It was a Warwick Duo so the bed could be a double or 2 singles. That was also too big for my wife and we struggled to get on and off the drive when cars were parked on both sides of the road. Now with the pandemic, my wife wanted to be able to get out and about and she discovered that a few of her pals have campervans. So we went for it. She has driven a Toyota Picnic MPV in the past and that is probably about the size of the T6, so she can not only drive it, she’ll be able to go off on trips in convoy with her pals. We certainly had some interesting trips and Scotland was great fun, but we always felt that we were stuck on campsites as we don’t cycle and not great walkers. The campervan is hopefully going to allow us to get out and about and to take more flexible breaks. Good luck with your motor home.
@@Skeitintouch yes my wife doesn’t really want to drive our 5.99m Roller Team. The campervan is so much more flexible with regards using as a daily and trips away. If there were just 2 of us I am sure we would consider another. We wish you many happy trips in your camper.
I made a mistake with my first camper van, the Ed was too high and as it was 5.45 m it was to cramped. The one I have now is more like a motor home, it’s the Elddis Autoquest CV60 and almost perfect. I’d like a bigger wet room but I guess you can’t have everything. Thanks for a great video.
Most people would use their Camper/Motor home a lot less than a car so fuel consumption (cost) will be less of an issue than for other forms of motorised transport. From what I see the power output of the 102 engine can be easily upgraded to about 160 and fuel consumption is only affected to the extent that you use those extra horses. For me the main issue to consider would be the difference in driving experience with a VW van being much more like a car and less like a truck.
Agree the Transporter will drive more like a car and could be used as a daily. The fuel consumption is relative to those who choose it to be as it regularly gets commented on in the groups I follow.
I think insulation is a must. It will also make the van a lot quieter to drive, less noise you can hear from the outside and less noise people will hear from you while you are inside. Not to mention less hearing and cooling needed.
Thanks. Everyone will have differing wants and needs and really it is down to which compromises; as there are always compromises, you are willing to accept. Whatever you choose we wish you many happy travels.
Hi paul we had an RIB bed in our T6 not comfortable at all, way to hard, we've now done our 1st 5 days away in our new motorhome (awesome so much more luxurious) never go back to campervan personal preference I know, can't wait for you to get away and try your motorhome, just a tea towel in the oven -silence- good video guys👍
chrissey that’s interesting. We never did test the RIB seats but they looked more padded than the RnR’s. Great to hear you have had, and enjoyed, the first trip out in your new MoHo. Tea towel sounds like a plan 👍 Thanks for your support 🙏😊
Not got to the end, but it definitely looks like a pice of trim, I found in my fiat Ducato based van, when I was cruising at 58mph I'd get 36mpg, UpTo 60mph and it dropped dramatically, just cruise along steady, no need to rush! Mine wasn't automatic, I'd definitely look into a t590 automatic! My camper was a 6m home and had the electric underfloor heating which I think you'll have and it's very nice, works excellent! Look at a keppler one VW they fitted a toilet and a shower in a VW t6!
Malcolm Rowe it was the chassis number cover on the side as you get into the driver’s seat next to door. We would be happy with 36mpg and yes I will check on the difference from 55ish and 60. It is amazing how just such a small change can make a big saving and not actually take much longer to get there either. Yes I remember looking at a T6 with a toilet at the back when we went to the NEC show in February. Fantastic for the actual size of the van. We still haven’t tried the heating yet so interested to see where it actually does it. Yes, the auto in the 590 is fantastic. Thanks for your comments 😊
Hi we bought our new Cali end of last year and only managed 3 trips out before lockdown kicked in. Having watched hundreds of campervan vids on here, we fell in love with the idea too but as you say reality is not quite the same. Having spent close to 63k then all the extras Awning Cali topper screen cover toilet etc etc we have spent a small fortune. Our main issue was we could not fit a 6 metre van on our drive and did not want to go down the storage route and as you ocd on vehicle cleaning maintaining etc. So got the Cali, it is a absolutely incredible vehicle quality second to non fit and finish first class, but it's small and we have to use an awning to give us enough room. My concerns with a MH was being able to clean maintain it off site, as I feel the roof and seals would need inspection on a regular basis. Our neighbour has purchased the same MH as you and yes it looks lovely. Enjoy you new van and cannot wait to watch your vids on using it.
Robert Oxley we feel there are too many “Vanlife is Awesome” videos on RUclips and we are currently planning a “Vanlife is Great.....for some” video to try and bring down the level by a notch. The California (apology for forgetting the name in the video) looks a fantastic piece of engineering and we are certain you will get to enjoy more once a little more normality comes. Ironically, we purchased the Camper King van (which was really nice...... but no California!) because we didn’t want to spend £ 60,000 on a vehicle and we wanted to be able to park it in the garage. We appreciate what you say around storage of a vehicle and to be honest, the fact that it is 15 minutes away does make it harder to go and clean and prepare it, sometimes means we travel 15 minutes in the wrong direction before starting our holiday and (apart of course from the added cost) makes me at least sometimes feel we don’t own the van! The investment both yourselves and us have made is not one we want to give up on or lose money with. If having the van at your home address is the compromise that you would prefer than having a bathroom then absolutely stick with the Cali. As we said, they look wonderful (and privately, I still look at them today 😊) but we think everything with van life has compromises and it is down to each person’s needs to decide which are the compromises they are willing to make. For us, we probably watched exactly the same videos as you before we purchased our camper but quickly realised that under the shiny veneer of “amazing” there were realities and hidden expenses that we didn’t consider. I am always happy to admit I was naive, and I was. Sincere thanks for watching our video and your comments. The bathroom is not always so important, particularly if there are no kids in the vehicle and you are staying, like us, at campsites with wonderful facilities and the freedom your Cali will give you to travel cannot be underestimated. 👍
I have had a caravan since 2005 and they are a similar size and layout to a motorhome. I still have the caravan, but leave it down in Cornwall at a lovely site. I decided to build my own campervan with pop top and I prefer it over the caravan. I would just prefer it to be a bit longer. We looked a motorhomes, but just feel we are getting into similar realms to a caravan, where you need to tow a car or use a car to tow a caravan. For the reason I much prefer a campervan, but it has to have a pop top.
I miss our pop top although currently with the kids enjoying the holidays too the motorhome is more logical. We always say we admire those who build their own camper. Although doubtless hard work it must be real satisfying and in the unlikely event that something does go wrong, who better to know how to repair it.
@@LiveforTravel I have gone through 1 and 2 man tents, 2 caravan’s (I still have one) and a campervan. Even though it’s small, I still prefer the campervan. To make it more comfortable I picked up 2 awnings. A large one for longer stays (Vango Cove II) and a smaller one for 1 night or weekend stays (Kampa Trip Air). An awning makes all the difference and I think you said you never used yours. Whoever bought it from you must have got a bargain. Having used toilet and shower in the caravan’s (some people never use them at all 😂) it was an easy and simple process of using a Porta Potti. They empty almost the same way 🤣
Thank you as I do not like the R&R bed idea as under large back door windows and takes up a lot of van space when planning for myself and my three Papillon dogs. Thinking of motor home or something similar to Auto sleeper/ Symphony
Really helpful video, I am doing research before buying a VW campervan hopefully later this year. I would be interested in buying the thermal pop top cover you mentioned you will be selling, as I know it will be a T5/T6 I would be buying.
Thanks. I have looked at the link to the company we purchased it from and it appears they are no longer trading. When ordering we had to give many measurements as different pop tops have different sizes. When you purchase your van you could email me at livefortraveluk@gmail.com and I will check the measurements and send them back to you. Unfortunately, it is unlikely it would be the same due to the many variations. All the best with your future van.
'The Home Office' Good comparison campervan vs motorman everybody has a budget and requirements i had a motorhome for awhile but i went the other way campervan for me.
bob checkley I like the “Home Office.” I think that is what we will call it from now on so thanks for your suggestion. I am certain there are quite a few people that go from a Motorhome to a Campervan or even Camper to MoHo and back to camper. As you say peoples requirements differ (and change). Thanks for your suggestion and support 🙏
The big difference is the lack of adventure for motorhomes/owners. So many sit in their vans all days watching TV, you can't go to hard to get places, so it's pretty boring and they are just not nice to drive. We have a Vauxhall Vivaro which is a better van than the VWs, plenty fast enough and gets us anywhere a car can go...and some. Our previous VW motorhome was awful to drive, as you say it's a house on wheels, NEVER AGAIN.
@@LiveforTravel Life is about compromises. We live in central Portugal, a great country to have a campervan, long summers, cool by the coast, all friendly, clean, cheap and safe. They have some free campervan parks here and the people in motorhomes stay in their vans a lot more than the campervan owners and quite often you don't see them at all. It makes the whole experience quite unsociable and that is the point I am trying to make. Maybe it is a European thing, but I think people do it because they can, sit indoors and watch TV.. Because travelling is more difficult and expensive they travel less and they are worried about getting stuck in the many narrow village streets.
We are also in very similar circumstances. Although we don't have any young children, just the two of us and the dog for trips I'm at a point of do I or don't I swap from the T6 to a Motorhome. Lots of things to consider as I would need to use it as a runabout for shopping trips, not work, we are retired. I have found the R&R bed OK, its just a pain if like you one of us has to get up in the night. We had caravans before the T6 but I got a bit wary of towing them, hated the hitching up but it was ok once on site. Emptying the toilet cassett is a doddle as you will find when you do it. We tend to stay on sights with facilities but its no fun nipping to the bog at 3am and its persising down. We would also loose quite a few bob on the trade in I'm sure as we have only had the van just over a year. Decisions decisions!!!!!
Yes decisions and I think each one might include a few compromises. The T6 is definitely easier for shopping trips etc although our sub 6m MoHo might be a little easier fitting into parking bays than some of the longer versions. We wanted a bit more space and flexibility with the separate kitchen and more importantly the bathroom. The main reason we did move to the new van was indeed the bathroom. We love the separate shower in lieu of one that works above a toilet. We will see how we get on with ours but already love the additional light and room. Hope you get what you fancy soon. Many thanks for your comments 👍
Hi folks. Excellent and super informative videos 👍 Can you say what was total price you paid ,inclusive of all your personal additions. Also where do you store all the bedclothes for the 4 sleepers ? Tara
Thanks. The van, in 2020, cost £58k. In the latest (x2) essentials videos we discuss the cost at the end of each. Of course it is different for everybody as we all decide to purchase different items vs those brought from home. In the examples I believe the total was around £1.6k (for the both) but please feel free to check those videos out if you have not already. We use a combination of sleeping bags and blankets and they are placed flat on the elevated bed during the day. Thanks for your feedback.
Your circumstances sound very similar to mine. I have just sold my t6 camper as I thought it was too small. I’m now looking for a bigger camper/Motorhome. I did exactly the same as you. Bought the van and spent a fortune on wheels and everything else. I’ve ended up selling and losing about 8k. Oh well. You only live once. 😟
ian sharp I don’t think we are unique with that 😊 it is easy to spend on customising a camper and as you said for yourself, it is money you don’t get back. Many thanks for your comments 👍
Hi there. I have just ordered a VW California Ocean but must now wait approximately one year whilst it is built! For me the flexibility to use it as my daily driver and park on my drive won the day but I will have shower and loo envy if I ever park up next to your motor home 😂. I appreciate everything you are saying here and there really is no perfect solution. I have really benefited from watching your videos though guys, particularly the ones about essential van living accessories so thank you! It’s nice to read the comments and hear grown ups having a considered reasonable debate about the pros and cons without descending into a “fan boy” style rant! Thanks again and I hope you really enjoy your travels 😀👍
Thank you for that. We sincerely hope that people do find our videos useful. We film them in a way that we would have wanted to watch when we were considering getting a van. We also try to inject a little humour because, you know, it is us just being how we are and we prefer to be just ourselves. The key thing that keeps us doing this are comments (and emails) that we receive like yours. They are sincerely appreciated and they spur us to continue filming more. Thanks for watching and for your feedback.
We needed a daily drive, so a campervan was our choice. We've made some compromises and need to take a trailer for storage. But we've got a little washroom and seperate kitchen in our VW T5 Hillside Cromford. It feels like a mini motorhome. We're yet to do a proper winter camp, so may need to get a pop top cover. Yes the mod list for VW campervans is endless and I keep having to tell the wife why I need to buy stuff lol.
Family Campervan Adventures fantastic. Yes if you use it as a daily then a full Motorhome is not the most practical for sure! I could have kept on spending money with our VW if the funds and my wife would let me 😊 a friend of mine, also with a VW suggested not to always say what you have bought and wait to see if the wife noticed 😂 Thanks for your comments 🙏
When is it a campervan and when is it a motorhome? Sorry if it is a silly question but there seems to be no specific feature other than maybe size that differentiates them. In my part of the world the terms seem to be interchangeable.
A very good question. Some understand (and we use this logic) that a Campervan is built within the structure and dimensions of the original van. A Motorhome is a body attached to a chassis cab.
Really great video showing us the new van recently. We are looking at one on Friday so it means we now know what we are looking at! Have you found that you have enough storage? Do you miss having a microwave as I notice there isn’t once in the van although it has other advantages compared to our older van that we have at present.
We don’t miss a microwave as we have now added one. We have answered storage questions including the microwave in our new video today 😊 ruclips.net/video/XPVRw3LX3Xs/видео.html We wish you a nice day looking at a new van. Many thanks for your comments.
algothedon absolutely agree. The fact is that there are some compromises with any choice and it is basically a decision as to which ones we are going to accept 😊 thanks for your comments.
So now I’m hooked on your videos! Really useful in helping us choose our first. Thankyou. We’ve tried the Camper King and it didn’t suit, and we had sort of settled on the AT Tribute F62, but we’re liking this Roller Team more! Quick question. We’re only sleeping two, so how high is the top of the mattress when the bed is fully down? Do you know? Thanks again - good job! Peter
Peter Busby we love our van but there are so many different ones to choose. We think the bed goes down to the seat base level. We will check. Actually, we are shortly putting a shout out video asking viewers to ask us anything about the van. We will add your question to the list and show in a future video. Many thanks for your comments.
There are so many manufacturers and options for both it is difficult to answer. A van could easily cost £50-£60k and a Motorhome that costs under £40k. It is very dependent on your preferred manufacturer and your personal requirements.
Did you buy the VW then the Motorhome in same year ? I used to have a VW T5 conversion for 6years then bought a 6.2metreSwift 622 MH as we liked the rear lounge..loved the T5 but the extra storage and comforts eg with WC and sink shower we really enjoy
Yes we purchased our T6 in 2019 and sold it March 2020. We did really enjoy the VW but the lack of a bathroom, which we knew before ordering but realised how important it was, meant we decided to move to a Motorhome. Thanks for your comments.
Great video, especially as we are in a similar situation. We've currently got a camper king conversion and looking to move to a motorhome. We've been looking at the pegaso 590 as it has a very similar layout to the t line, apart from the bed drops down over the cab and a little more storage. Having seen your great review of the t line, I'm not sure whether it's worth spending the extra £7k. My only concern is my hubby is 6 ft 4 in - would he be able to stand up under the drop down bed do you think?
Yes very similar to us! The drop down bed, when raised to its highest, is ok for me at 5’ 10” but there is not sufficient space for someone taller so would need to duck a little which I would imagine could be a nuisance. For us we love ours but understand (and love) the Pegaso also. It is a difficult one. Without trying to put you or anyone off the Pegaso (which we wouldn’t ever do as it is personal choice) my concerns with one, apart from the 7K you mentioned, would be the cost and availability of the windscreen and the external mirrors. These items can be easily damaged and are both specific to the vehicle. I have read posts from people complaining about the delays (and cost) when trying to get replacements. With the windscreen, which is also bespoke, I have a little knowledge and experience with as I worked 29 years in the automotive glazing industry. As a Product Manager we hated these sort of bespoke items because they are in limited supply and more expensive. Manufacturers of vehicles are only obliged to ensure parts are available for 10 years after final production. The standard vehicle uses the Fiat Ducato windscreen and mirrors and will therefore be cheaper and wreadily available as they are sold all across Europe and even in the US (although theirs are badged Dodge). Many thanks for your comments and support. We wish you many happy travels in whichever one you choose.
I am currently researching my options regarding the purchase of a campervan/van conversion (ie mercedes sprinter) or a pre built motorhome. At the moment I can't decide between the three options. I want a vehicle that is flexible enough to go anywhere any time, however due to my health conditions (back problems, dodgy knees etc) I need a fixed bed. The reason for wanting a campervan/motorhome is that I have always wanted to travel the coast of Britain and potentially Europe and to document my journey using photography/video and a blog/diary. I would be doing this on my own, ie no passengers. Do you have any thoughts on what I should be looking for/at? By the way, I also live in the Midlands so any recommendations on where to go to look at options would be appreciated 😊 I have already visited camper King and Coast2Coast to look at campers but don't know of any van conversion/moterhome specialists.
Mr G Shave it is in our opinion always going to be a case of which compromises are the least. For us, the van with 2 kids and no toilet proved to be just not quite what we felt we needed. Our Motorhome was purchased from Cranham Leisure in Essex because we ordered it at the NEC show. Our MoHo is only 6 metres in length (5.99 to be exact) and although we went for the compromised garage to gain a bigger bathroom and habitation area there are plenty with fixed beds at the rear. We just felt the bathroom being at the side (on a shorter van) made it feel smaller when inside. There is a descent site just off the A38 that I have look around. Don Ammot leisure www.leisurekingdom.co.uk/location Many thanks for watching and we hope you get the right van for you very soon. 👍
Yes unfortunately suppliers change where they sell. Here is a possible alternative link www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334419626613?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=vtpc9wyhrvo&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=TWjg6kFDSgW&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
@@LiveforTravel Yes, thank you! That one works! ☺ Good to here the Birmingham accent again! I went to school near Weoley Castle in B'ham! Nobody told us that we were speaking old Welsh. West Mercia used to be part of Wales!
Did you consider a bigger van conversion. As I have already told you I find myself in a similar position to you. I’m now thinking about a bigger van conversion. The fiat ducato autotrail conversion for example. Did you consider this size conversion and what do you think?
ian sharp Yes we did and had a good look around, poking and prodding, many of them at the NEC show. For us, we felt having the restricted width with a van conversion which is naturally limited by the base van’s size, made it feel a little small still with 2 adults and 2 children. Also, the vehicles we saw, which were really lovely to be fair, also had part of the side door blocked by cabinets. We think everything has its compromises. We decided after quite extensive research and physically looking around lots of options that the coach built Motorhome offered what we wanted. They are a little more limited of course if you plan to use them as a daily vehicle (although ours which is just under 6 metres parks quite happily in car parks so long as we pick a corner slot) but when we are actually staying in it, it just feels more light and spacious. Many thanks for your comments 👍
ian sharp understood 😊 yes this is one of the issues with our new one. Our camper fitted through the garage. Our new van doesn’t and we are not able to park it out the front so £ 400 a year now! 🤦♂️😊
I think perhaps you chose the wrong campervan. Auto-sleepers have campers under 5.5m with a proper bathroom and a cooker with oven and grill and have made these for over 30 years.
Jim Ferguson we hoped our campervan would work for us based around being able to park it through our garage (2.1m in height). Hindsight is a wonderful thing but we learnt that the bathroom was more important. We looked at Auto-sleepers (and others) but the height of them are 2640mm so would not fit in the garage. Once you discount a vehicle fitting in the garage and accept the need to keep it in secure storage the options increase dramatically. The Auto-sleeper costs £ 58,300 which is actually slightly more than our a Roller Team and does not offer the space in width or height that we have found in the last few days to be invaluable. Many thanks for your comments.
@@LiveforTravel Thanks for your reply. After caravanning for 32 years when we retired we bought a flat and the Auto-sleeper fits the flat's parking spaces. It is also great as a day van easy to park and with your own loo. Too dear new but found them so well made that, second hand, they still look like new - although still comparatively expensive. Different things work for different people. Great video enjoy your coachbuilt. Jim
Jim Ferguson thank you. Yes we love many vans and just hope the Roller Team works for us, particularly with having 2 kids. Of course the closer you get to van size the easier it is to use daily. Our VW could have been used as the only vehicle. Having seen the Auto-sleepers they do look very well built and doubtless will last you many years 👍
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We have done the opposite and gone from a motorhome to a v dub. Found it so much easier to park and more fun to drive. Having said that there is just the 2 of us. Really depends on what suit the individual . Happy camping guys.
We agree. Everyone has different requirements and those can also change over time. Many thanks for your comments and we also wish you many happy travels.
Similar to us except we went from V dub, to motorchome to Vivaro, just hated driving the motorhome. Couldn't wait to get there and park the damn thing. The Vauxhall is a joy to drive, just like a car, maybe better.
Love the way you both interact with each other,very balanced and charming.I really like your objectivity and Frans warm friendly expressions and presence …..make me smile
Don’t give Fran too many compliments… she might want paying 😂
Excellent video, plenty of information for a newbie, looking for our first Motorhome.
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Thanks. Appreciate the feedback. All the best with choosing your new Motorhome.
Enjoying your realistic ,informative and practical videos….and the charming Fran🙏
Thanks. Yes Fran will be on more videos in future. Stops viewers having to look at just a Brummie. 😁
@@LiveforTravel My husband and I have just found your videos and enjoy watching you both.You both bring a interesting and good balance to presenting the videos together and…….. we love Birmingham🙏…..and here’s one more compliment for Fran…..you have a lovely charming smile…..the world would be a kinder place if we only just took the time to smile more and give more compliments❤
A excellent Video on plus and negatives of camper van over Motorhome, we had camper vans and now last two Motorhome, still happy with m/H as we go on holidays for 4/5 weeks and love the extra room this M/H 6.3 mtr.
Thanks. Yes it is always a case of what someone’s prepared to compromise on. Thanks for watching and all the best with your van.
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Comprehensive video. We had a large Carthago years ago. Over 3.5 tons so couldn’t enter many towns in France and couldn’t park anywhere in the UK. Downsized to Autosleeper Peugeot boxer conversion. Fitted on drive but still had problems parking in towns or car parks. Sold up 5 years ago. Now buying a T6.1 conversion so that it fits on the drive and we can park nearly everywhere. We weighed up the pros and cons of MH v. camper and decided that in our case, the camper met our needs for flexibility. Yes, not so fully featured as a MH and lacks the toilet, but that is a downside we’re going to accept so that we can take day trips, short breaks and perhaps longer breaks in UK and Europe. We loved the motor homes but felt constrained in our choices of where to go, so we sold up. Having had the experience, the camper van is our new choice, even though there are negatives, at least we are aware and not naive about the issues. Thank you for making a very useful video.
Awesome. Did you find you missed the Carthago when you had the Autosleeper? Both look like great vehicles. I bet you have a good list of places to recommend?? 😊 Many thanks for your comments.
@@LiveforTravel Hi. The Carthago was in a class of its own but was a monster to drive and my wife would never drive it. The Autosleeper was well specd but I never felt cosy in it. It was a Warwick Duo so the bed could be a double or 2 singles. That was also too big for my wife and we struggled to get on and off the drive when cars were parked on both sides of the road. Now with the pandemic, my wife wanted to be able to get out and about and she discovered that a few of her pals have campervans. So we went for it. She has driven a Toyota Picnic MPV in the past and that is probably about the size of the T6, so she can not only drive it, she’ll be able to go off on trips in convoy with her pals. We certainly had some interesting trips and Scotland was great fun, but we always felt that we were stuck on campsites as we don’t cycle and not great walkers. The campervan is hopefully going to allow us to get out and about and to take more flexible breaks. Good luck with your motor home.
@@Skeitintouch yes my wife doesn’t really want to drive our 5.99m Roller Team. The campervan is so much more flexible with regards using as a daily and trips away. If there were just 2 of us I am sure we would consider another. We wish you many happy trips in your camper.
I made a mistake with my first camper van, the Ed was too high and as it was 5.45 m it was to cramped. The one I have now is more like a motor home, it’s the Elddis Autoquest CV60 and almost perfect. I’d like a bigger wet room but I guess you can’t have everything. Thanks for a great video.
Thanks. Yes I believe it is always simply “what compromises am I going to be willing to make.” We wish you many happy travels with your van.
A very comprehensive insight into the pros and cons of both. It helped me decide to stick with my MoHo so thank you very much.
Gill Tate great happy that you like our review 👍 many thanks for your feedback
Most people would use their Camper/Motor home a lot less than a car so fuel consumption (cost) will be less of an issue than for other forms of motorised transport. From what I see the power output of the 102 engine can be easily upgraded to about 160 and fuel consumption is only affected to the extent that you use those extra horses. For me the main issue to consider would be the difference in driving experience with a VW van being much more like a car and less like a truck.
Agree the Transporter will drive more like a car and could be used as a daily. The fuel consumption is relative to those who choose it to be as it regularly gets commented on in the groups I follow.
I think insulation is a must. It will also make the van a lot quieter to drive, less noise you can hear from the outside and less noise people will hear from you while you are inside. Not to mention less hearing and cooling needed.
Standard insulation has been absolutely fine.
Just gone from a tent to a camper. Luxury 😄. No TV, ever. Just a good book. Just my husband and dog.
Great. They are so versatile and are great memory makers. We wish you many happy travels. 😁
I have this vision of you "Throwing the Kid's into the VW , lol.
Very informative. I have to choose between camper or motorhome. £10,000 difference.
Thanks. Everyone will have differing wants and needs and really it is down to which compromises; as there are always compromises, you are willing to accept. Whatever you choose we wish you many happy travels.
Hi paul we had an RIB bed in our T6 not comfortable at all, way to hard, we've now done our 1st 5 days away in our new motorhome (awesome so much more luxurious) never go back to campervan personal preference I know, can't wait for you to get away and try your motorhome, just a tea towel in the oven -silence- good video guys👍
chrissey that’s interesting. We never did test the RIB seats but they looked more padded than the RnR’s. Great to hear you have had, and enjoyed, the first trip out in your new MoHo. Tea towel sounds like a plan 👍 Thanks for your support 🙏😊
Not got to the end, but it definitely looks like a pice of trim, I found in my fiat Ducato based van, when I was cruising at 58mph I'd get 36mpg, UpTo 60mph and it dropped dramatically, just cruise along steady, no need to rush! Mine wasn't automatic, I'd definitely look into a t590 automatic! My camper was a 6m home and had the electric underfloor heating which I think you'll have and it's very nice, works excellent! Look at a keppler one VW they fitted a toilet and a shower in a VW t6!
Malcolm Rowe it was the chassis number cover on the side as you get into the driver’s seat next to door. We would be happy with 36mpg and yes I will check on the difference from 55ish and 60. It is amazing how just such a small change can make a big saving and not actually take much longer to get there either. Yes I remember looking at a T6 with a toilet at the back when we went to the NEC show in February. Fantastic for the actual size of the van. We still haven’t tried the heating yet so interested to see where it actually does it. Yes, the auto in the 590 is fantastic. Thanks for your comments 😊
Hi we bought our new Cali end of last year and only managed 3 trips out before lockdown kicked in. Having watched hundreds of campervan vids on here, we fell in love with the idea too but as you say reality is not quite the same. Having spent close to 63k then all the extras Awning Cali topper screen cover toilet etc etc we have spent a small fortune. Our main issue was we could not fit a 6 metre van on our drive and did not want to go down the storage route and as you ocd on vehicle cleaning maintaining etc. So got the Cali, it is a absolutely incredible vehicle quality second to non fit and finish first class, but it's small and we have to use an awning to give us enough room. My concerns with a MH was being able to clean maintain it off site, as I feel the roof and seals would need inspection on a regular basis. Our neighbour has purchased the same MH as you and yes it looks lovely. Enjoy you new van and cannot wait to watch your vids on using it.
Robert Oxley we feel there are too many “Vanlife is Awesome” videos on RUclips and we are currently planning a “Vanlife is Great.....for some” video to try and bring down the level by a notch. The California (apology for forgetting the name in the video) looks a fantastic piece of engineering and we are certain you will get to enjoy more once a little more normality comes. Ironically, we purchased the Camper King van (which was really nice...... but no California!) because we didn’t want to spend £ 60,000 on a vehicle and we wanted to be able to park it in the garage. We appreciate what you say around storage of a vehicle and to be honest, the fact that it is 15 minutes away does make it harder to go and clean and prepare it, sometimes means we travel 15 minutes in the wrong direction before starting our holiday and (apart of course from the added cost) makes me at least sometimes feel we don’t own the van! The investment both yourselves and us have made is not one we want to give up on or lose money with. If having the van at your home address is the compromise that you would prefer than having a bathroom then absolutely stick with the Cali. As we said, they look wonderful (and privately, I still look at them today 😊) but we think everything with van life has compromises and it is down to each person’s needs to decide which are the compromises they are willing to make. For us, we probably watched exactly the same videos as you before we purchased our camper but quickly realised that under the shiny veneer of “amazing” there were realities and hidden expenses that we didn’t consider. I am always happy to admit I was naive, and I was. Sincere thanks for watching our video and your comments. The bathroom is not always so important, particularly if there are no kids in the vehicle and you are staying, like us, at campsites with wonderful facilities and the freedom your Cali will give you to travel cannot be underestimated. 👍
Well done. Very informative.
Gail Wood really pleased you found it informative 👍 thank you for your feedback 😊
I have had a caravan since 2005 and they are a similar size and layout to a motorhome. I still have the caravan, but leave it down in Cornwall at a lovely site.
I decided to build my own campervan with pop top and I prefer it over the caravan. I would just prefer it to be a bit longer. We looked a motorhomes, but just feel we are getting into similar realms to a caravan, where you need to tow a car or use a car to tow a caravan. For the reason I much prefer a campervan, but it has to have a pop top.
I miss our pop top although currently with the kids enjoying the holidays too the motorhome is more logical. We always say we admire those who build their own camper. Although doubtless hard work it must be real satisfying and in the unlikely event that something does go wrong, who better to know how to repair it.
@@LiveforTravel My son is at university, so a campervan works well for us now. With kids, a caravan or motorhome is more comfortable though.
I believe we might have a campervan again one day…
@@LiveforTravel I have gone through 1 and 2 man tents, 2 caravan’s (I still have one) and a campervan. Even though it’s small, I still prefer the campervan. To make it more comfortable I picked up 2 awnings. A large one for longer stays (Vango Cove II) and a smaller one for 1 night or weekend stays (Kampa Trip Air). An awning makes all the difference and I think you said you never used yours. Whoever bought it from you must have got a bargain. Having used toilet and shower in the caravan’s (some people never use them at all 😂) it was an easy and simple process of using a Porta Potti. They empty almost the same way 🤣
@@christianlewisphotography6910 they certainly do! 😁
Thank you as I do not like the R&R bed idea as under large back door windows and takes up a lot of van space when planning for myself and my three Papillon dogs. Thinking of motor home or something similar to Auto sleeper/ Symphony
The choice is huge and finding the van with the least comprises is difficult.
Really helpful video, I am doing research before buying a VW campervan hopefully later this year. I would be interested in buying the thermal pop top cover you mentioned you will be selling, as I know it will be a T5/T6 I would be buying.
Thanks. I have looked at the link to the company we purchased it from and it appears they are no longer trading. When ordering we had to give many measurements as different pop tops have different sizes. When you purchase your van you could email me at livefortraveluk@gmail.com and I will check the measurements and send them back to you. Unfortunately, it is unlikely it would be the same due to the many variations. All the best with your future van.
'The Home Office' Good comparison campervan vs motorman everybody has a budget and requirements i had a motorhome for awhile but i went the other way campervan for me.
bob checkley I like the “Home Office.” I think that is what we will call it from now on so thanks for your suggestion. I am certain there are quite a few people that go from a Motorhome to a Campervan or even Camper to MoHo and back to camper. As you say peoples requirements differ (and change). Thanks for your suggestion and support 🙏
The big difference is the lack of adventure for motorhomes/owners. So many sit in their vans all days watching TV, you can't go to hard to get places, so it's pretty boring and they are just not nice to drive. We have a Vauxhall Vivaro which is a better van than the VWs, plenty fast enough and gets us anywhere a car can go...and some. Our previous VW motorhome was awful to drive, as you say it's a house on wheels, NEVER AGAIN.
I always suggest to people it is about what compromises you are prepared for. Whichever van someone chooses there are always compromises.
@@LiveforTravel Life is about compromises. We live in central Portugal, a great country to have a campervan, long summers, cool by the coast, all friendly, clean, cheap and safe. They have some free campervan parks here and the people in motorhomes stay in their vans a lot more than the campervan owners and quite often you don't see them at all. It makes the whole experience quite unsociable and that is the point I am trying to make. Maybe it is a European thing, but I think people do it because they can, sit indoors and watch TV.. Because travelling is more difficult and expensive they travel less and they are worried about getting stuck in the many narrow village streets.
We are also in very similar circumstances. Although we don't have any young children, just the two of us and the dog for trips I'm at a point of do I or don't I swap from the T6 to a Motorhome.
Lots of things to consider as I would need to use it as a runabout for shopping trips, not work, we are retired. I have found the R&R bed OK, its just a pain if like you one of us has to get up in the night.
We had caravans before the T6 but I got a bit wary of towing them, hated the hitching up but it was ok once on site. Emptying the toilet cassett is a doddle as you will find when you do it.
We tend to stay on sights with facilities but its no fun nipping to the bog at 3am and its persising down. We would also loose quite a few bob on the trade in I'm sure as we have only had the van just over a year. Decisions decisions!!!!!
Yes decisions and I think each one might include a few compromises. The T6 is definitely easier for shopping trips etc although our sub 6m MoHo might be a little easier fitting into parking bays than some of the longer versions.
We wanted a bit more space and flexibility with the separate kitchen and more importantly the bathroom. The main reason we did move to the new van was indeed the bathroom. We love the separate shower in lieu of one that works above a toilet.
We will see how we get on with ours but already love the additional light and room.
Hope you get what you fancy soon.
Many thanks for your comments 👍
We're looking into getting one and are thinking of hiring both for a few days and trying them out first
Good logic. Everyone has differing requirements for their specific van. We hope you find what works for you soon.
Hi folks.
Excellent and super informative videos 👍
Can you say what was total price you paid ,inclusive of all your personal additions. Also where do you store all the bedclothes for the 4 sleepers ? Tara
Thanks. The van, in 2020, cost £58k. In the latest (x2) essentials videos we discuss the cost at the end of each. Of course it is different for everybody as we all decide to purchase different items vs those brought from home. In the examples I believe the total was around £1.6k (for the both) but please feel free to check those videos out if you have not already.
We use a combination of sleeping bags and blankets and they are placed flat on the elevated bed during the day.
Thanks for your feedback.
Your circumstances sound very similar to mine. I have just sold my t6 camper as I thought it was too small. I’m now looking for a bigger camper/Motorhome. I did exactly the same as you. Bought the van and spent a fortune on wheels and everything else. I’ve ended up selling and losing about 8k. Oh well. You only live once. 😟
ian sharp I don’t think we are unique with that 😊 it is easy to spend on customising a camper and as you said for yourself, it is money you don’t get back.
Many thanks for your comments 👍
Hi there. I have just ordered a VW California Ocean but must now wait approximately one year whilst it is built! For me the flexibility to use it as my daily driver and park on my drive won the day but I will have shower and loo envy if I ever park up next to your motor home 😂. I appreciate everything you are saying here and there really is no perfect solution. I have really benefited from watching your videos though guys, particularly the ones about essential van living accessories so thank you! It’s nice to read the comments and hear grown ups having a considered reasonable debate about the pros and cons without descending into a “fan boy” style rant! Thanks again and I hope you really enjoy your travels 😀👍
Thank you for that. We sincerely hope that people do find our videos useful. We film them in a way that we would have wanted to watch when we were considering getting a van. We also try to inject a little humour because, you know, it is us just being how we are and we prefer to be just ourselves. The key thing that keeps us doing this are comments (and emails) that we receive like yours. They are sincerely appreciated and they spur us to continue filming more. Thanks for watching and for your feedback.
Try not to do a number 2 in the cassette toilet, use campsite facilities for that as it makes emptying the cassette much more bearable 😂👍🏻
Mark Dolby thanks 🙏 can’t wait 😊 actually I will make it wait 😉😂
I think that piece of plastic is for the radio slot ! .
It is the VIN plate cover on the drivers footwell.
We needed a daily drive, so a campervan was our choice. We've made some compromises and need to take a trailer for storage. But we've got a little washroom and seperate kitchen in our VW T5 Hillside Cromford. It feels like a mini motorhome. We're yet to do a proper winter camp, so may need to get a pop top cover. Yes the mod list for VW campervans is endless and I keep having to tell the wife why I need to buy stuff lol.
Family Campervan Adventures fantastic. Yes if you use it as a daily then a full Motorhome is not the most practical for sure! I could have kept on spending money with our VW if the funds and my wife would let me 😊 a friend of mine, also with a VW suggested not to always say what you have bought and wait to see if the wife noticed 😂 Thanks for your comments 🙏
@@LiveforTravel good idea, but I think she'll notice body coloured bumpers 😂🤣
Family Campervan Adventures just say to her you’ve washed it and that was the colour 😂👍
When is it a campervan and when is it a motorhome? Sorry if it is a silly question but there seems to be no specific feature other than maybe size that differentiates them. In my part of the world the terms seem to be interchangeable.
A very good question. Some understand (and we use this logic) that a Campervan is built within the structure and dimensions of the original van. A Motorhome is a body attached to a chassis cab.
Really great video showing us the new van recently. We are looking at one on Friday so it means we now know what we are looking at! Have you found that you have enough storage? Do you miss having a microwave as I notice there isn’t once in the van although it has other advantages compared to our older van that we have at present.
We don’t miss a microwave as we have now added one. We have answered storage questions including the microwave in our new video today 😊 ruclips.net/video/XPVRw3LX3Xs/видео.html
We wish you a nice day looking at a new van. Many thanks for your comments.
No perfect option, but we find our van quick enough to get ready for a day out from site. We dont have a pop top though just a hi top.
algothedon absolutely agree. The fact is that there are some compromises with any choice and it is basically a decision as to which ones we are going to accept 😊 thanks for your comments.
So now I’m hooked on your videos! Really useful in helping us choose our first. Thankyou. We’ve tried the Camper King and it didn’t suit, and we had sort of settled on the AT Tribute F62, but we’re liking this Roller Team more! Quick question. We’re only sleeping two, so how high is the top of the mattress when the bed is fully down? Do you know? Thanks again - good job! Peter
Peter Busby we love our van but there are so many different ones to choose. We think the bed goes down to the seat base level. We will check. Actually, we are shortly putting a shout out video asking viewers to ask us anything about the van. We will add your question to the list and show in a future video. Many thanks for your comments.
If i may ask what was the difference in the 2 prices between the van and the motorhome ?
There are so many manufacturers and options for both it is difficult to answer. A van could easily cost £50-£60k and a Motorhome that costs under £40k. It is very dependent on your preferred manufacturer and your personal requirements.
Very interesting 😊👍
Mark Mangan thanks for your support 👍
Did you buy the VW then the Motorhome in same year ? I used to have a VW T5 conversion for 6years then bought a 6.2metreSwift 622 MH as we liked the rear lounge..loved the T5 but the extra storage and comforts eg with WC and sink shower we really enjoy
Yes we purchased our T6 in 2019 and sold it March 2020. We did really enjoy the VW but the lack of a bathroom, which we knew before ordering but realised how important it was, meant we decided to move to a Motorhome. Thanks for your comments.
Great video, especially as we are in a similar situation. We've currently got a camper king conversion and looking to move to a motorhome. We've been looking at the pegaso 590 as it has a very similar layout to the t line, apart from the bed drops down over the cab and a little more storage. Having seen your great review of the t line, I'm not sure whether it's worth spending the extra £7k. My only concern is my hubby is 6 ft 4 in - would he be able to stand up under the drop down bed do you think?
Yes very similar to us! The drop down bed, when raised to its highest, is ok for me at 5’ 10” but there is not sufficient space for someone taller so would need to duck a little which I would imagine could be a nuisance. For us we love ours but understand (and love) the Pegaso also. It is a difficult one. Without trying to put you or anyone off the Pegaso (which we wouldn’t ever do as it is personal choice) my concerns with one, apart from the 7K you mentioned, would be the cost and availability of the windscreen and the external mirrors. These items can be easily damaged and are both specific to the vehicle. I have read posts from people complaining about the delays (and cost) when trying to get replacements. With the windscreen, which is also bespoke, I have a little knowledge and experience with as I worked 29 years in the automotive glazing industry. As a Product Manager we hated these sort of bespoke items because they are in limited supply and more expensive. Manufacturers of vehicles are only obliged to ensure parts are available for 10 years after final production. The standard vehicle uses the Fiat Ducato windscreen and mirrors and will therefore be cheaper and wreadily available as they are sold all across Europe and even in the US (although theirs are badged Dodge). Many thanks for your comments and support. We wish you many happy travels in whichever one you choose.
Hired a few campervans, but I'm 6ft 2 and its just not practical. Motorhome for us as we get older.
Definitely for us too,
It is, and always will be, the "Ark Royal".....
Paul Bowers thank you 🙏
It's a Motorhome so call the studio... THE HOME OFFICE 😀
Neil Mitchell you are the second person to suggest this. Yes. Sold 😊 The Home Office it is then 🙏
I am currently researching my options regarding the purchase of a campervan/van conversion (ie mercedes sprinter) or a pre built motorhome. At the moment I can't decide between the three options. I want a vehicle that is flexible enough to go anywhere any time, however due to my health conditions (back problems, dodgy knees etc) I need a fixed bed. The reason for wanting a campervan/motorhome is that I have always wanted to travel the coast of Britain and potentially Europe and to document my journey using photography/video and a blog/diary. I would be doing this on my own, ie no passengers. Do you have any thoughts on what I should be looking for/at?
By the way, I also live in the Midlands so any recommendations on where to go to look at options would be appreciated 😊 I have already visited camper King and Coast2Coast to look at campers but don't know of any van conversion/moterhome specialists.
Mr G Shave it is in our opinion always going to be a case of which compromises are the least. For us, the van with 2 kids and no toilet proved to be just not quite what we felt we needed. Our Motorhome was purchased from Cranham Leisure in Essex because we ordered it at the NEC show.
Our MoHo is only 6 metres in length (5.99 to be exact) and although we went for the compromised garage to gain a bigger bathroom and habitation area there are plenty with fixed beds at the rear. We just felt the bathroom being at the side (on a shorter van) made it feel smaller when inside.
There is a descent site just off the A38 that I have look around. Don Ammot leisure www.leisurekingdom.co.uk/location
Many thanks for watching and we hope you get the right van for you very soon. 👍
Greetings from an Englishman 🇬🇧 in Arabia! The Motorhome Height link no longer seems to work: which company please! ☺
Yes unfortunately suppliers change where they sell. Here is a possible alternative link www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334419626613?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=vtpc9wyhrvo&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=TWjg6kFDSgW&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
@@LiveforTravel Yes, thank you! That one works! ☺ Good to here the Birmingham accent again! I went to school near Weoley Castle in B'ham! Nobody told us that we were speaking old Welsh. West Mercia used to be part of Wales!
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It's the screwdriver lady!!!!
Screwdriver drink or DIY ??
Chris Needham DIY 🤪
Or both 😉😂
Did you consider a bigger van conversion. As I have already told you I find myself in a similar position to you. I’m now thinking about a bigger van conversion. The fiat ducato autotrail conversion for example. Did you consider this size conversion and what do you think?
ian sharp Yes we did and had a good look around, poking and prodding, many of them at the NEC show. For us, we felt having the restricted width with a van conversion which is naturally limited by the base van’s size, made it feel a little small still with 2 adults and 2 children. Also, the vehicles we saw, which were really lovely to be fair, also had part of the side door blocked by cabinets.
We think everything has its compromises. We decided after quite extensive research and physically looking around lots of options that the coach built Motorhome offered what we wanted. They are a little more limited of course if you plan to use them as a daily vehicle (although ours which is just under 6 metres parks quite happily in car parks so long as we pick a corner slot) but when we are actually staying in it, it just feels more light and spacious.
Many thanks for your comments 👍
I know a van is not as wide but was just thinking that I might be able to park it on my drive. 😁
ian sharp understood 😊 yes this is one of the issues with our new one. Our camper fitted through the garage. Our new van doesn’t and we are not able to park it out the front so £ 400 a year now! 🤦♂️😊
There’s no perfect option is there. 😢
I think perhaps you chose the wrong campervan. Auto-sleepers have campers under 5.5m with a proper bathroom and a cooker with oven and grill and have made these for over 30 years.
Jim Ferguson we hoped our campervan would work for us based around being able to park it through our garage (2.1m in height). Hindsight is a wonderful thing but we learnt that the bathroom was more important. We looked at Auto-sleepers (and others) but the height of them are 2640mm so would not fit in the garage. Once you discount a vehicle fitting in the garage and accept the need to keep it in secure storage the options increase dramatically. The Auto-sleeper costs £ 58,300 which is actually slightly more than our a Roller Team and does not offer the space in width or height that we have found in the last few days to be invaluable. Many thanks for your comments.
@@LiveforTravel Thanks for your reply. After caravanning for 32 years when we retired we bought a flat and the Auto-sleeper fits the flat's parking spaces. It is also great as a day van easy to park and with your own loo. Too dear new but found them so well made that, second hand, they still look like new - although still comparatively expensive. Different things work for different people. Great video enjoy your coachbuilt. Jim
Jim Ferguson thank you. Yes we love many vans and just hope the Roller Team works for us, particularly with having 2 kids. Of course the closer you get to van size the easier it is to use daily. Our VW could have been used as the only vehicle. Having seen the Auto-sleepers they do look very well built and doubtless will last you many years 👍
Office name?
Simples!!
OCD Central! 😉
That would be accurate wouldn’t it 😊
Assume by now the camper is sold?
The red camper is sold.
Would you have kept the VW if it was just you two?
Probably wouldn’t. Although space with 2 kids is important we found the lack of a bathroom the main reason.
Am yow from the blackcountry?
David Pearson Burmingham 😊
New name
"Mobilounge"
Like it 😊💪
The Brumbox
BRIAN The train luv it 😊
There’s no perfect option is there. 😢
ian sharp unfortunately not 😔
Fran is a hottie!
I have passed on your compliment to Fran.
@@LiveforTravel 👍😊.
Another Bostin vid owa kid
BRIAN The train ta matey 💪