@tavisxavier That's the saddest part. He didn't need to use the roids to be a HOF calibre player, but that's how the roids arms race got going. If the weaker players needed roids to stay in the game, what hope is there for the clean players if the best of the game are roided up. So I can see why baseball feels it needs to take a stand.
What the Astros did was much worse. They cheated their way to a ring. Rose just wanted a quick buck and believing that HIS TEAM would win. They should let him into the HOF. Great Video
Exactly, I don’t get what the big deal is about Pete betting on the games, as long as he bet on his team to win. Whereas, if he bet on his team to lose and threw the games as a manager, I would take it way more seriously
Why is it allowed to sign the players in the field? It is one against the other, if you sign your team you are responsible if they are intercepted by the other team. That is not cheating, get over it. Look who won the 2022 season, once again
Bryson Herazo They’re keeping a Hall of Famer out of the Hall of Fame and not giving him the credit he deserves meanwhile The only loss that really affects the Astros as a team is the draft picks
Yo I get it - banned from baseball fine, he messed up big time, but that dude is the best contact hitter in the history of the game. It will probably never be broken and it wasn't done with drugs or cheating. He earned that record through blood, sweat, and tears. He 100% deserves a plaque at Cooperstown.
As he said, MLB players should try to hit line drives bc line drives will eventually turn into HRs. He’s saying guys now only trying to hit HRs isn’t helping the game
He did take amphetamines which is a drug. If he bet on baseball and denied it for so long, how can we believe he never took steroids? There was no testing back then, so it's easy for him to say he never took any, even though the gym he belonged to was peddling them and he was good friends with the gym rats that were peddling them. He cheated baseball by betting on the game. We have no idea how many games he managed incorrectly because he bet on the game and had to win that night while sacrificing the next game. This video says he bet on the Reds EVERY SINGLE NIGHT which is simply not true. He did not bet on them every night. He may have placed bets on sports every night but he did not bet on the Reds every night. This video is a farce.
@@thelitmedallion Steroids can give a hitter about a 2% increase in distance, so in Pete's case he went from hitting balls 150 feet to 153 feet. We all learned how much of a wuss he was when Buddy Harrelson kicked his butt, so not even steroids could make him hit homeruns. He sure had a steroid type attitude though so there is that.
In this league, you can blatantly cheat your way to the pinnacle of the sport, but you can't bet on your own team to WIN. I'm not saying what Pete Rose did was okay, by any means, but compared to what the Asstros did, Pete is a saint. Pete got 4,256 hits and three world series rings through his blood, sweat, and tears, meanwhile the Astros won a world series through their cameras and trash cans. One of these two is banned forever, the other gets a slap on the wrist. Pete Rose belongs in the hall of fame. Period.
I have said for years that Rose should be in the HOF but also banned from MLB too. People forget that the HOF changed their rules in 1991 that anyone banned could not be on the ballot. That became known as the ‘Pete Rose rule’ cause he was up in 1992. His 4,256 hits is the reason he should be enshrined and his gambling as a Manager is why he should be banned. Why we’ve had this silly debate for almost 30 years is beyond me.
Jim McCracken Should I also tell my kids they changed the rules the year before Rose was supposed to be on the ballot? As of 1990, anyone banned from Baseball had a right to be on the ballot (Shoeless Joe was on the ballot at one time). But the committee changed those rules in 1991, which just happened to coincide with the year before Rose was eligible. Hmmmm......
Jim McCracken You didn’t answer my question. I said he should be banned from Baseball as that’s what it says in the rules. When he was betting on Baseball, the rule also said he was eligible to be on the Hall of Fame ballot. That rule was changed in 1991 after he was banned in 1989 and before he was eligible in 1992. So why did they change that rule? Cause you sound a guy that swears that a rule is a rule.
@@chrisolivo6591 Yes, tell your kids about that rule change. Also tell your kids about the roid users whose "records" still stand and the Astros WS cheating but they retain that title. Teach them that WRONG cuts both ways, then help them fund their way through those truths. It's much more difficult to do now. 🙏
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As I watch MLB Network and see the sports betting odds scrolling across the bottom of the screen, see and hear the MLB broadcast personalities promoting fantasy sports betting on air, and see sports gambling companies as major sponsors of MLB; it's time to reinstate Pete Rose and "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and induct them into the Hall of Fame. If MLB is going to actively and blatantly encourage people to bet money on MLB games by promoting sports gambling in an invasive manner, what Pete and Joe did doesn't matter anymore.
I Completely Agree It's Ridiculous and Stupid now To even Think of that Rule. Don't give me that Integrity Crap The HOF Itself has Racist and Players Suspected of Steroids Already. Put them All In Bonds, Clemens, Rose Etc. To think Now that MLB with it's Drunk Commissioner (Yes he was Tipsy in the World Series) encourage it's Fans To Bet it's Downright Stupid I'm Sorry It's Time To Lift The Ban on Pete Rose and Finally Put Him where He Belongs in the Baseball Hall of Fame
@@purplebondsaiyan2987 Those players were main attractions for MLB and got people to watch games. Steroids don't give people the hand-eye coordination to make contact with a ball going 95+ mph, or to pitch a ball with precision and deception to get batters out. Those players had the raw talent to be superstars. For better or worse, sports betting is exactly why MLB wants to instate the robo-ump. Sports betting companies needed that in order to give people confidence to microbet on individual at-bats.
The thing that bugs me is that Pete Rose wasn't bet against his team and then throwing the game. He would bet on his team, just like countless other baseball players did before him. He doesn't deserve to be shunned, he's one of the greatest players of all time, if they DONT put him in the Hall of fame then they lose their own credibility.
Yes, but Pete probably should be careful about throwing stones. I think Pete should be in, but they cheated to win, Pete did too. Amphetamines are still cheating, though I don’t equate them with steroids, they were still illegal in the US as I recall.
Until the so called baseball hall of fame admits ALL of the greatest players to play the sport it will not be legitimate. Which is to say it will never be legitimate.
The Hall of Fame is a sham. Look at some of the players that is in the Hall of Fame. Roger Bresnahan is in the Hall of Fame and his stats are pathetic. Look it up. I could go on but I am not.
The quote of "Baseball is a game that is often overshadowed by its dark history" rings so true. I am more inclined to not like Bonds due to his steroid use, (using steroids enabled him to play long enough that is why he hit so many home runs) but it is almost an absolute fact that he was targeted by the media while his teammate Jeff Kent was doing whatever he wants with no coverage. It goes the show the nature of the game, they just want to be proven right. I still have an inclination to not like Bonds, but the fact Pete isn't in the hall of fame is so ridiculous in my opinion that I have to extend that right to Bonds himself also. People also say Bonds was Hall of Fame material in the Pittsburgh days so will give him that given that even though I have not seen him play at that time.
Also, Pete Rose will make the Hall of Fame, but he won't have the satisfaction of being there because he will have passed. I hope i'm wrong, but that is my opinion.
He would have made the HOF, just maybe not first ballot. I believe he got to 400 400 near the beginning of the doping or not king after. He was a great player before steroids, so him cheating made 0 sense really.
FYI, 7:09 "he was an eleven time all-star." I was like huh? That seems low to me. Wikipedia has him as a 17 time all-star. Great video. Thanks for posting this.
Out of all the times I keep seeing people say "Let Pete in the Hall of Fame", it never ceases to amaze me how those people are so willing to overlook how often he lied about it. Had he been honest from the beginning, he'd probably be in already. I wanna feel bad for him, but he did this to himself.
david martinez You do realize that it’s illegal to discriminate people based off of addictions like gambling, right? Unless you’re saying that over 4,000 hits isn’t good enough to get into the Hall of Fame, which in that case nobody is good enough, can it and let the man have his day.
@@treymagathan847 Of course his accomplishments are worthy of getting in, but he knew he wasn't supposed to be gambling but did then lied repeatedly about it when rumors surfaced. Not to mention he agreed to the ban. I wouldn't be mad if the ban was lifted, though. Just like I'm not mad that it isn't.
@@treymagathan847 Why didn't he just use that and throw himself at the mercy of the MLB then? Why would he even start gambling knowing full well he wasn't allowed to? Addiction or not, he still made the choice to gamble.
david martinez How about because the year was 1989 and gambling wasn’t considered an addiction, but instead federally illegal for no good reason? Even if he did admit that he had a problem, the consequences were not rehabilitation, but punishment. To get a good idea of how North American sports handled drugs, look at Grant Fuhr of the Edmonton Oilers. He admitted that he had a cocaine problem in 1989 and the NHL chose to suspend him for an entire season even after he got clean in a rehab center in Florida. Meanwhile, players like Jarry Kurry, Fuhr’s teammate, were also doing drugs like cocaine and X, but were not being suspended simply because the NHL didn’t require drug tests at the time and you were punished for admitting you had a problem, therefore creating an incentive to lie about your issues, of in which addicts will always do until they hit rock bottom, even if they are directly confronted about it. Hell, even if you want baseball relevance, Lonnie Smith was suspended for an entire year when he admitted he had a cocaine problem with the Royals in 1987, even after he ratted out fellow players, testified in the Pittsburgh Drug Trials and entered rehabilitation cold turkey style. No matter how you want to swing this, North American sports in the 1980’s was a punishment culture, not a rehabilitation one, and if you understand how addiction works psychologically as well as discriminatory behavior for getting caught, yes. Addicts will lie about their addictions when put in these types of situations. Fuhr lies about his cocaine problems for 6 years, Kurry lied about his problems until he retired (specifically to avoid punishment from the NHL), Smith lied about his problems for 7 years, and Rose lied about his problems for 4 years. And yet, despite this, Rose got the harshest punishment of them all. Think about that.
Got to watch him play day after day at Al Lopez Field in Tampa during Spring training. Got to lay on the dugout and talk with Pete, Tony, Joe, Johnny, Davey while they stood in the on deck circle. Did the same on the St. Louis, New York Yankee, and Boston Red Sox dugouts too. The best days of my very young life as a Cincinnati Reds fan and boyhood baseball player.
It wasn't so much the gambling per se. It was his constant denials when the proof was right there for everyone to see. That spoke volumes about his character.
I see what you are saying about character. However consider the fact that Babe Ruth was a boozer and carouser and to top the list Ty Cobb was a racist and religious bigot. Both in the Cooperstown.
When Bench played for the Red’s I was a fan and in fact a fan of all the Reds. I KNOW for a fact that the majority of Red’s players would vote for Pete. The truth is that Bench is jealous of Pete and has been for years. Bench KNOWS damn well Rose did not bet on ball games during his playing years and that IS the difference but Bench refuses to acknowledge. During his playing years Rose was clean and trust me THEY DUG DEEP IN THEIR SEARCH to prove differently but found nada. Based on the fact Rose broke records during his playing years should be more than enough to recognize Rose in Baseball HOF and Mention that he is banned from Base Ball as a manager.
Shoeless Joe might’ve been the greatest hitter to ever do it but he willingly threw a World Series. Yes he had good numbers but his production in that series came when the games were already decided. I can’t see how Shoeless Joe can ever get in. Pete on the other hand gambled on his own teams to win. Wrong, yes, but not unforgivable I think.
He absolutely should if we're letting the astros get away with everything without so much as a suspension or even a slap on the wrist. Ridiculous in my opinion. I used to be all for keeping rose, but he didn't blatantly cheat his way to a championship
Bryson Herazo oh wait you’re right. Wow you’re so smart. I don’t even know why I’m arguing with you. I was never gonna win. You’re just too knowledgeable for my tiny, weak brain.
His punishment should have been harsher, he gambled on games he was the coach/ player. I'm from the cin. area, I know several people who had personal interactions with him& he is a total sociopathic #@!hole, still is. &%#@ him
He's not getting in the hall. Gambling on sports when you're in a position to affect the outcome, whether you're betting on yourself or not, is a big faux pas. It calls into question pretty much every single result while you were in the scheme, and it seriously damaged the integrity of the game. Its like insider trading when it comes to stock broking, which is illegal as well. I don't think he'll get in. The veterans committee and the MLB don't want him there, so he won't ever be there.
He SAID he only betted on his team. The FBI stats said otherwise and baseball was super pissed Rose opened the door for organized crime. To you it's history, I was alive and going to prison was where he found his new organized crime friends.
In an allstar game he runs the catcher over... he bets on his team... whines at every opportunity to anyone who will listen... charges money for his autograph, even to kids... yeah, he's who I'd want to be the face of baseball.
Yes he has the most hits ever and the people are telling him that he can’t be aloud back into baseball that is so stupid. (The most hits ever with 4,256)
Any Hall of Fame without Rose, Bonds, Clemens and eventually A-Rod is lacking in credibility. And I hate Bonds. Similarly, I hate the cheating Astros but they should keep their title without official asterisk.
I think betting on your own team every time every day is fine because of how consistent it is even if it did break a rule (that's not an endorsement of Gambling)
His dad, who was well known in local sports, jumped his case when he saw Pete jog to first. Never again. As for "struggle in the classroom" (:48,) man - did baseball lose out on a great baseball mind. Even now he remembers ab's from decades past.
It truly is dispicable that he is banned for betting on his own team. Also pathetic being imprisoned for selling used objects. Would the feds care is it were any other used sports equipment? Didn't think so! Greedy bastards
Actually Pete didn’t get his nickname from a walk he got after chasing down a deep fly ball from Mickey mantle and whitey Ford told Mickey “Hey Mick did you see ol Charlie Hustle catch that ball? I’m sorry but you are incorrect about how he got the name
Pete should be put in the hall of fame because he had the most amount of hits in Mlb history he should be recognized for being the best contact hitter of all time and should be put in the hall of fame
Interesting juxtaposition. People debate whether Rose should be in the HoF (I think he should have a special plaque or something, but not till he's dead. Moreover, he should be told that. "We're going to add a plaque noting your achievement, but it will also note that you were banned from the game for gambling, plus you will NOT be an official member of the HoF, and none of this will happen until you are dead. M'kay? And I think Curt Flood should be in the HoF for sacrificing his career. Awesome fielder, good but not great hitter (.293 over 14 seasons, just under 1900 hits). I don't think he would've gotten 1100 more hits or even won an 8th Gold Glove, but today, a player like him would earn a couple million a year easy. Every player who's gotten a big free agent deal since (including Pete Rose) should have given him 5% out of respect for what he did.
Pete Rose is on the starting team of all time. ( pick a position ) He gambled on his team to win but never cheated. With steroids, stealing signs and spitballs the Commissioners are the men who have lost integrity by allowing real disgrace. Pete Rose has achievements that will likely never be broken and can always know he played hard, managed to win, and never dishonored the game. The rule of gambling is a good rule, he should have steered clear, but it’s time to be human and see the league has allowed far greater transgressions..... Houston ought to be banned , but that would mean too much money lost and lawsuits and so it’s not about honor anymore.
If he came clean right away, he'd probably be reinstated and in the HOF by now. Apparently Schmidt, Bench and Morgan even came up with an act of contrition type of thing to help, but he didn't do it. I understand him living in Vegas because that's where he makes his $ selling autographs and memorabilia, but he's also admittedly bet on baseball at the casinos there and thinks it's ok because it's legal. Not a good look.
You are dead wrong for saying baseballs home run leader was definitely on something and wasn't punished. That's a boldface defamation of the GOAT. He served 6 months house arrest on a charge he was acquitted of. So he was punished for something he didn't do. The MLB had it out for barry when he stiff armed them for their check. *Allegedly lmao
It was speculated heavily that his gambling went further than the report. When they ended the investigation the Dowd report stated as such but ended before could be confirmed
If you ban Pete Rose from the Hall of Fame just for betting on his team, you might as well ban over half the Hall of Famers for their sins that were worse than what Pete Rose did - starting with the Bronx Bomber himself, The Bambino, The Myth, The Legend... GEORGE HERMAN "BABE" RUTH
Yes, he should be in without a doubt. He bet on his team to win! How do you fix a game, when you bet on them to win. What example do you set for young kids, when you tell them it’s okay to take drugs and still be able to play, but if you bet on baseball, your banned for life.
Uhhh...You fix the games before the game when you bet by saving relief pitchers for the next night when you know you're going to bet. The information the bookies have based on Rose's betting patterns tainted the entire sport. That's the reason the rule is written in every clubhouse. Don't gamble on games you're a part of or you will be banned.
I wouldn’t say he should never be inducted, but shoeless joe comes first. Once you’ve exonerated the innocent members of the black sox, then you can *talk* about reinstating Pete Rose. And this is unrelated but bonds being in the hall would be an insult to baseball as an institution
We’re going to make sanctuary cities so we can let drug dealers and murderers get out of jail early but we still want to punish a guy for gambling some 30+ years ago. It doesn’t get any more hypocritical than that.
He most definitely needs to be in the H.O.F. I get it that he broke the rule put into place after the blacksox scandal.and it does say any player or players that bet on baseball.BUT....He never perpously thru games to win money.they can't prove that he ever bet against his team.if you know anything about the competitive nature of Pete Rose....he hates to lose.he wanted to win every game he ever played or coached. The man deserves to be there...unlike 95%of the players today who cheat and get away with it.
Pete Rose should be in the HOF. He gambled...never on anything that didn't include his team winning. MLB has the all time leader in hits, the all time leader in homeruns...Barry Bonds...not recognized by MLB rhetoric. One would think they would be celebrated, not shunned. Induct Rose in his lifetime, not a posthumous induction...like Ron Santo got. Shameful.
@@roland7584 No, there wasn't a question about betting against his team(s). In 2004 he did admit (finally) that he had bet on the Reds, but never against them. He was gambling, banned for life...but yet now there are bets, actual gambling being advertised during ballgames. It makes MLB look hypocritical, which they are. The all time hits leader and all time homerun king aren't in the HOF. Manfred is just being a prick, imo.
@@rickywarner7444 There was a question on him betting against the Reds. They had information that he in fact did bet against the Reds too, but there was a timeframe where they wanted the investigation done, so they didn't pursue it because the information they had on him betting was enough based on the rule in place anyway. I'm not sure why you're blaming Manfred for anything. Pete Rose got himself into this situation and he lied for so long to keep himself in this position. There is no one to blame for Pete Rose's situation other than Pete Rose. Everything else about where MLB is today has nothing to do with what Pete did back then.
That betting rule should be taken out if you're betting on your team to win and Rose should immediately be in the HOF. Those involved in the Astros scandal should be publicly humiliated until they've been properly punished. I'd entertain banning them for life.
@@roland7584 Because a player is already wanting his team to win. I don't see the problem on betting on your own team. I don't know, maybe it has to do with them having insider knowledge on the teams and players, like that NBA ref that knew what games to bet on because he knew what refs were biased.
@@johninmontana5847 Here's the problem that you aren't seeing. Scenario 1) Pete will bet on game 3 on the Reds in a weekend series against the Dodgers but not on game 1 or 2, so for the first 2 games he rests players or relievers which taints games 1 and 2 so he can have them fresh for the game he is betting on. Scenario 2) Pete loses bets and owes bookies money, so now they tell Pete in order to settle his debt he must lose a particular game next week. Scenario 3) There is a particular rule that states if you bet on any game you have control of you will be permanently banned.
@@roland7584So it's been a while since I've seen this video- I overlooked the fact that he was in a managerial position. Yeah, betting on a game over which you exercise some control should be a big no-no. I don't know what I was thinking back then...
If Bob Gibson can make the Hall of Fame throwing Spitballs which are illegal and considered cheating. Then Pete Rose can get in the Hall of Fame for betting on his own Team.
I have hated Pete since he tried to take out Buddy Harrelson at second base in the '73 playoffs. Question has anyone ever look at what teams might have look like if there wasn't free agents or if there was a salary cap there would be a lot of factors and tangibles that would have to be added to the equation im not sure you can make a logical guess with all the variables I was just wondering who had the best dynasty teams through out the last 50 plus years if money wasn't such a major factor i think basketball and football have better chances of building a dynasty team because they seem to have a cap in spending look forward to hearing back thanks
Since there was a messed up wrold seiries in 1919 they should make rules like that. But still, barry bonds and other steriod users should get the same punishment
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What are you talking about? Barry Bonds just ate his balanced breakfast every morning.
How many times did you screenshot this video?
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I hope if he gets in that goes on his hall plaque. "He ate his balanced breakfast every morning".
tavisxavier exactly and it’s been proven that guys like mays and Aaron back in the day took amphetamines and yes Barry bonds is the goat
@tavisxavier That's the saddest part. He didn't need to use the roids to be a HOF calibre player, but that's how the roids arms race got going. If the weaker players needed roids to stay in the game, what hope is there for the clean players if the best of the game are roided up. So I can see why baseball feels it needs to take a stand.
Should Pete Rose be reinstated and or put in the Hall of Fame?
Yea
Yes, so should Barry bonds
Yes along with Barry bonds
I mean he didn’t cheat but he gambled
LET PETE IN! LET PETE IN! LET PETE IN!
MLB: Pete Rose will never make the Hall of Fame
Also MLB: Hey Pete, got anymore of your gear so we can put it in Cooperstown?
Or Pete, we need you for a fan voted, again fan voted, player of the century honors or Reds Hall of Fame or to honor the league at the All Star game.
What the Astros did was much worse. They cheated their way to a ring. Rose just wanted a quick buck and believing that HIS TEAM would win. They should let him into the HOF. Great Video
@Bryson Herazo yeah they wouldn't have won half those games without the mvtc so I don't get ur point
Bryson Herazo you’re contradicting yourself...”rules are rules” and then “well they needed to find ways to win”
Exactly, I don’t get what the big deal is about Pete betting on the games, as long as he bet on his team to win. Whereas, if he bet on his team to lose and threw the games as a manager, I would take it way more seriously
Rose bet against the Reds too while managing them.
Why is it allowed to sign the players in the field? It is one against the other, if you sign your team you are responsible if they are intercepted by the other team. That is not cheating, get over it. Look who won the 2022 season, once again
But you cheat to win the WS and get a slap on the wrist 😐
Bryson Herazo They’re keeping a Hall of Famer out of the Hall of Fame and not giving him the credit he deserves meanwhile The only loss that really affects the Astros as a team is the draft picks
Bryson Herazo 5 mil is pocket change, plus they are already stacked they shouldn’t have had to cheat lol
Yo I get it - banned from baseball fine, he messed up big time, but that dude is the best contact hitter in the history of the game. It will probably never be broken and it wasn't done with drugs or cheating. He earned that record through blood, sweat, and tears. He 100% deserves a plaque at Cooperstown.
As he said, MLB players should try to hit line drives bc line drives will eventually turn into HRs. He’s saying guys now only trying to hit HRs isn’t helping the game
Blood, sweat, tears…and corked bats.
He did take amphetamines which is a drug. If he bet on baseball and denied it for so long, how can we believe he never took steroids? There was no testing back then, so it's easy for him to say he never took any, even though the gym he belonged to was peddling them and he was good friends with the gym rats that were peddling them. He cheated baseball by betting on the game. We have no idea how many games he managed incorrectly because he bet on the game and had to win that night while sacrificing the next game. This video says he bet on the Reds EVERY SINGLE NIGHT which is simply not true. He did not bet on them every night. He may have placed bets on sports every night but he did not bet on the Reds every night. This video is a farce.
@@roland7584 Yeah, he took steroids. All 160 of his homeruns in 24 seasons sure prove that. jose Altuve already has 192 home runs and he's a midget...
@@thelitmedallion Steroids can give a hitter about a 2% increase in distance, so in Pete's case he went from hitting balls 150 feet to 153 feet. We all learned how much of a wuss he was when Buddy Harrelson kicked his butt, so not even steroids could make him hit homeruns. He sure had a steroid type attitude though so there is that.
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In this league, you can blatantly cheat your way to the pinnacle of the sport, but you can't bet on your own team to WIN. I'm not saying what Pete Rose did was okay, by any means, but compared to what the Asstros did, Pete is a saint. Pete got 4,256 hits and three world series rings through his blood, sweat, and tears, meanwhile the Astros won a world series through their cameras and trash cans. One of these two is banned forever, the other gets a slap on the wrist. Pete Rose belongs in the hall of fame. Period.
I have said for years that Rose should be in the HOF but also banned from MLB too. People forget that the HOF changed their rules in 1991 that anyone banned could not be on the ballot. That became known as the ‘Pete Rose rule’ cause he was up in 1992. His 4,256 hits is the reason he should be enshrined and his gambling as a Manager is why he should be banned. Why we’ve had this silly debate for almost 30 years is beyond me.
Jim McCracken Should I also tell my kids they changed the rules the year before Rose was supposed to be on the ballot? As of 1990, anyone banned from Baseball had a right to be on the ballot (Shoeless Joe was on the ballot at one time). But the committee changed those rules in 1991, which just happened to coincide with the year before Rose was eligible. Hmmmm......
Jim McCracken You didn’t answer my question. I said he should be banned from Baseball as that’s what it says in the rules. When he was betting on Baseball, the rule also said he was eligible to be on the Hall of Fame ballot. That rule was changed in 1991 after he was banned in 1989 and before he was eligible in 1992. So why did they change that rule? Cause you sound a guy that swears that a rule is a rule.
Chris, if the issue was only about Rose's stats, he would obviously be in the Hall. He was proven to have violated Rule 21D and the argument is over.
You forget that the HOF answers to the League. I don't care what the HOF rules are. Btw, I want Pete in the Hall too.
@@chrisolivo6591 Yes, tell your kids about that rule change. Also tell your kids about the roid users whose "records" still stand and the Astros WS cheating but they retain that title. Teach them that WRONG cuts both ways, then help them fund their way through those truths. It's much more difficult to do now. 🙏
Always happy to see your uploads, especially during these crazy times. Thanks for keeping me and so many others entertained Dawson, your videos are great!
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As I watch MLB Network and see the sports betting odds scrolling across the bottom of the screen, see and hear the MLB broadcast personalities promoting fantasy sports betting on air, and see sports gambling companies as major sponsors of MLB; it's time to reinstate Pete Rose and "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and induct them into the Hall of Fame. If MLB is going to actively and blatantly encourage people to bet money on MLB games by promoting sports gambling in an invasive manner, what Pete and Joe did doesn't matter anymore.
I Completely Agree It's Ridiculous and Stupid now To even Think of that Rule. Don't give me that Integrity Crap The HOF Itself has Racist and Players Suspected of Steroids Already. Put them All In Bonds, Clemens, Rose Etc. To think Now that MLB with it's Drunk Commissioner (Yes he was Tipsy in the World Series) encourage it's Fans To Bet it's Downright Stupid I'm Sorry It's Time To Lift The Ban on Pete Rose and Finally Put Him where He Belongs in the Baseball Hall of Fame
@@purplebondsaiyan2987 Those players were main attractions for MLB and got people to watch games. Steroids don't give people the hand-eye coordination to make contact with a ball going 95+ mph, or to pitch a ball with precision and deception to get batters out. Those players had the raw talent to be superstars.
For better or worse, sports betting is exactly why MLB wants to instate the robo-ump. Sports betting companies needed that in order to give people confidence to microbet on individual at-bats.
And what they are doing is arguably worse as they are feeding gambling addictions to make money from it. The hypocrisy is stunning.
@@DulcimeristIt improves vision and strength and coordination though, meaning many PEDs.
I think Pete should go to Cooperstown because he was a Great Player with the Reds and Phillies
The thing that bugs me is that Pete Rose wasn't bet against his team and then throwing the game. He would bet on his team, just like countless other baseball players did before him. He doesn't deserve to be shunned, he's one of the greatest players of all time, if they DONT put him in the Hall of fame then they lose their own credibility.
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I agree on with pete that the punishment for the Astros was unfair compared to his
Yes, but Pete probably should be careful about throwing stones. I think Pete should be in, but they cheated to win, Pete did too. Amphetamines are still cheating, though I don’t equate them with steroids, they were still illegal in the US as I recall.
Until the so called baseball hall of fame admits ALL of the greatest players to play the sport it will not be legitimate.
Which is to say it will never be legitimate.
The Hall is only doing what the League tells them to do. Blame the League.
I think it’s craZy they keep records for guys who CHEATED to get an advantage, but rose earned his stats and spots WITHOUT cheating.
how u gonna say he’s cheating if he’s just gambling it’s not like he took peds
The Hall of Fame is a sham. Look at some of the players that is in the Hall of Fame. Roger Bresnahan is in the Hall of Fame and his stats are pathetic. Look it up. I could go on but I am not.
@@seanhokanson4115 True. Please look up Roger Bresnahan in Baseball Almanac. He is known as the strangest case.
He should be in the hall of fame he's suffered long enough he was a damn good baseball player
The quote of "Baseball is a game that is often overshadowed by its dark history" rings so true. I am more inclined to not like Bonds due to his steroid use, (using steroids enabled him to play long enough that is why he hit so many home runs) but it is almost an absolute fact that he was targeted by the media while his teammate Jeff Kent was doing whatever he wants with no coverage. It goes the show the nature of the game, they just want to be proven right. I still have an inclination to not like Bonds, but the fact Pete isn't in the hall of fame is so ridiculous in my opinion that I have to extend that right to Bonds himself also. People also say Bonds was Hall of Fame material in the Pittsburgh days so will give him that given that even though I have not seen him play at that time.
Also, Pete Rose will make the Hall of Fame, but he won't have the satisfaction of being there because he will have passed. I hope i'm wrong, but that is my opinion.
He would have made the HOF, just maybe not first ballot. I believe he got to 400 400 near the beginning of the doping or not king after. He was a great player before steroids, so him cheating made 0 sense really.
FYI, 7:09 "he was an eleven time all-star." I was like huh? That seems low to me. Wikipedia has him as a 17 time all-star. Great video. Thanks for posting this.
Out of all the times I keep seeing people say "Let Pete in the Hall of Fame", it never ceases to amaze me how those people are so willing to overlook how often he lied about it. Had he been honest from the beginning, he'd probably be in already. I wanna feel bad for him, but he did this to himself.
david martinez
You do realize that it’s illegal to discriminate people based off of addictions like gambling, right? Unless you’re saying that over 4,000 hits isn’t good enough to get into the Hall of Fame, which in that case nobody is good enough, can it and let the man have his day.
@@treymagathan847 Of course his accomplishments are worthy of getting in, but he knew he wasn't supposed to be gambling but did then lied repeatedly about it when rumors surfaced. Not to mention he agreed to the ban. I wouldn't be mad if the ban was lifted, though. Just like I'm not mad that it isn't.
david martinez
I don’t think you understand how addiction works, especially for gambling.
@@treymagathan847 Why didn't he just use that and throw himself at the mercy of the MLB then? Why would he even start gambling knowing full well he wasn't allowed to? Addiction or not, he still made the choice to gamble.
david martinez
How about because the year was 1989 and gambling wasn’t considered an addiction, but instead federally illegal for no good reason? Even if he did admit that he had a problem, the consequences were not rehabilitation, but punishment. To get a good idea of how North American sports handled drugs, look at Grant Fuhr of the Edmonton Oilers. He admitted that he had a cocaine problem in 1989 and the NHL chose to suspend him for an entire season even after he got clean in a rehab center in Florida. Meanwhile, players like Jarry Kurry, Fuhr’s teammate, were also doing drugs like cocaine and X, but were not being suspended simply because the NHL didn’t require drug tests at the time and you were punished for admitting you had a problem, therefore creating an incentive to lie about your issues, of in which addicts will always do until they hit rock bottom, even if they are directly confronted about it. Hell, even if you want baseball relevance, Lonnie Smith was suspended for an entire year when he admitted he had a cocaine problem with the Royals in 1987, even after he ratted out fellow players, testified in the Pittsburgh Drug Trials and entered rehabilitation cold turkey style. No matter how you want to swing this, North American sports in the 1980’s was a punishment culture, not a rehabilitation one, and if you understand how addiction works psychologically as well as discriminatory behavior for getting caught, yes. Addicts will lie about their addictions when put in these types of situations. Fuhr lies about his cocaine problems for 6 years, Kurry lied about his problems until he retired (specifically to avoid punishment from the NHL), Smith lied about his problems for 7 years, and Rose lied about his problems for 4 years. And yet, despite this, Rose got the harshest punishment of them all. Think about that.
Baseball fan since 1975 Dodgers fan since 1977, it's time to figure out a way to get Pete Rose into the Hall of fame
Cooperstown could lift the ban since they are not part of the MLB.
Rose is a HOFr. Got to see him play at Dodger Stadium a few times. One of the best players I ever watched play the game!
Got to watch him play day after day at Al Lopez Field in Tampa during Spring training. Got to lay on the dugout and talk with Pete, Tony, Joe, Johnny, Davey while they stood in the on deck circle. Did the same on the St. Louis, New York Yankee, and Boston Red Sox dugouts too. The best days of my very young life as a Cincinnati Reds fan and boyhood baseball player.
@@michaelbee2165 - very cool! you were very lucky! what a great experience! thanks for sharing!
Yessir well as Shoeless Joe!
i feel bad for him. i'm pretty sure he was illiterate.
milopop he was. His wife had to guide his hand when he signed autographs. That's why his autograph is so rare.
I agree
Isn’t there a petition to try and get Pete in the hall of fame,I hope this is reversed because I want him in mlb the show
Yes there is. And I believe some people involved are former players.
Absolutely Pete rose should be in the hall of fame 😮please let him in.
It wasn't so much the gambling per se. It was his constant denials when the proof was right there for everyone to see. That spoke volumes about his character.
I see what you are saying about character. However consider the fact that Babe Ruth was a boozer and carouser and to top the list Ty Cobb was a racist and religious bigot. Both in the Cooperstown.
The ban was in place before the denials.
He literally bet on his team!!! Pete should 100% be reinstated
When Bench played for the Red’s I was a fan and in fact a fan of all the Reds. I KNOW for a fact that the majority of Red’s players would vote for Pete. The truth is that Bench is jealous of Pete and has been for years. Bench KNOWS damn well Rose did not bet on ball games during his playing years and that IS the difference but Bench refuses to acknowledge. During his playing years Rose was clean and trust me THEY DUG DEEP IN THEIR SEARCH to prove differently but found nada. Based on the fact Rose broke records during his playing years should be more than enough to recognize Rose in Baseball HOF and Mention that he is banned from Base Ball as a manager.
He absolutely should be in the H.O.F. What he did on the field, as a player is why
Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose deserve to be in the hall of fame
Shoeless Joe might’ve been the greatest hitter to ever do it but he willingly threw a World Series. Yes he had good numbers but his production in that series came when the games were already decided. I can’t see how Shoeless Joe can ever get in. Pete on the other hand gambled on his own teams to win. Wrong, yes, but not unforgivable I think.
I don’t get why people say he messed up. He didn’t. There’s nothing wrong with betting on your team to win
He deserves to be allowed in.
He absolutely should if we're letting the astros get away with everything without so much as a suspension or even a slap on the wrist. Ridiculous in my opinion. I used to be all for keeping rose, but he didn't blatantly cheat his way to a championship
No one will ever get his hits record. To me he's in there.
If Pete Rose gets banned for gambling, the Astros should get their World Series vacated for cheating their way to a World Series
Bryson Herazo change your signs? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard
Bryson Herazo okay Houston fan 😂😂 so you don’t think it was cheating whatsoever
Bryson Herazo oh wait you’re right. Wow you’re so smart. I don’t even know why I’m arguing with you. I was never gonna win. You’re just too knowledgeable for my tiny, weak brain.
Bryson Herazo hold on, so you think that illegally using a camera to steal signs from the other team, which is against the rules, is creative winning.
Bryson Herazo okay great talking to you 👍👍🧠🧠
His punishment should have been harsher, he gambled on games he was the coach/ player. I'm from the cin. area, I know several people who had personal interactions with him& he is a total sociopathic #@!hole, still is. &%#@ him
Agree 100%. It’s amazing to me that more people can’t see this and actually admire him. Because he was good at hitting a ball? Give me a break.
definitely he deserves it there are players in the hall of fame that had made worse things.
He's not getting in the hall. Gambling on sports when you're in a position to affect the outcome, whether you're betting on yourself or not, is a big faux pas. It calls into question pretty much every single result while you were in the scheme, and it seriously damaged the integrity of the game. Its like insider trading when it comes to stock broking, which is illegal as well.
I don't think he'll get in. The veterans committee and the MLB don't want him there, so he won't ever be there.
It’s a shame that out of all these cheating scandals and steroid users somebody who bet on his team every night to win can’t be in the hall
He SAID he only betted on his team. The FBI stats said otherwise and baseball was super pissed Rose opened the door for organized crime. To you it's history, I was alive and going to prison was where he found his new organized crime friends.
@@MountainFisherYes, but that is or should not really impact his enshrinement. He went to prison too.
He shoukd be in the Hall of Fame….he earned it
Pete Rose has lost nothing
Still ...THE HIT KING !
If only we knew the full extent. I think if he didn’t gamble on games as a player he should be allowed in the Hall of Fame.
DONT CARE WAT ANYONE SAYS, THOSE OF US WHO SAW PETE PLAY KNOW WAT HES ALL ABOUT, IF PETE ISNT HALL OF FAME MATERIAL ---THEN NOBODY IS
In an allstar game he runs the catcher over... he bets on his team... whines at every opportunity to anyone who will listen... charges money for his autograph, even to kids... yeah, he's who I'd want to be the face of baseball.
Yes he should be in the HOF for what he accomplished on the field
The Baseball Hall of Fame is supposed to recognize a players exploits on the field. The hall of fame will never be complete without Pete Rose!!
definitely should be in the Hall of Fame
Rose in the hall of fame
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Thx for the heart Dawson admit what do u think?
No.
He should be in the HOF it’s such BS we are considering putting in Steroid Users over him
It’s the fact that he never admitted to gambling despite having so much evidence on him gambling
He’s back!!!
Pete's Dad knew he wasn't the brightest bulb so he got him into baseball
Yes he has the most hits ever and the people are telling him that he can’t be aloud back into baseball that is so stupid. (The most hits ever with 4,256)
He gambled for a good cause
Any Hall of Fame without Rose, Bonds, Clemens and eventually A-Rod is lacking in credibility. And I hate Bonds.
Similarly, I hate the cheating Astros but they should keep their title without official asterisk.
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Going for uploads every Saturday now that my semester is over!
Dawson Wright yes!! Great can’t wait
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I think betting on your own team every time every day is fine because of how consistent it is even if it did break a rule (that's not an endorsement of Gambling)
Yo what? I’ve been subbed to you for a while and I didn’t get this in my sub box, I had to find it in my recommended
pete should be in the hof no questions asked
I love watching your RUclips videos
Thank you Brady
ironic hes more famous than the hall of fame
We should just make a HOF cheaters ballot, have Bonds, Rose, and Jackson on it would be interesting
His dad, who was well known in local sports, jumped his case when he saw Pete jog to first. Never again. As for "struggle in the classroom" (:48,) man - did baseball lose out on a great baseball mind. Even now he remembers ab's from decades past.
It truly is dispicable that he is banned for betting on his own team. Also pathetic being imprisoned for selling used objects. Would the feds care is it were any other used sports equipment? Didn't think so! Greedy bastards
I wonder if Giamati had mafia connects?
Never. He was another childhood hero on a Wheaties box that couldn't live up to his reputation as A Roll Model. See both Phelps & O.J...
Baseball rules suck. The hit king and home run king are not in the hall of fame
The Petophile
@Squid Pincher Not quite. It's a common Reddit joke about how Pete Rose is a statutory rapist
Actually Pete didn’t get his nickname from a walk he got after chasing down a deep fly ball from Mickey mantle and whitey Ford told Mickey “Hey Mick did you see ol Charlie Hustle catch that ball? I’m sorry but you are incorrect about how he got the name
He is the all time hit king.....show some respect to his name MLB
Pete should be put in the hall of fame because he had the most amount of hits in Mlb history he should be recognized for being the best contact hitter of all time and should be put in the hall of fame
Interesting juxtaposition. People debate whether Rose should be in the HoF (I think he should have a special plaque or something, but not till he's dead. Moreover, he should be told that. "We're going to add a plaque noting your achievement, but it will also note that you were banned from the game for gambling, plus you will NOT be an official member of the HoF, and none of this will happen until you are dead. M'kay?
And I think Curt Flood should be in the HoF for sacrificing his career. Awesome fielder, good but not great hitter (.293 over 14 seasons, just under 1900 hits). I don't think he would've gotten 1100 more hits or even won an 8th Gold Glove, but today, a player like him would earn a couple million a year easy. Every player who's gotten a big free agent deal since (including Pete Rose) should have given him 5% out of respect for what he did.
Pete Rose is on the starting team of all time. ( pick a position ) He gambled on his team to win but never cheated. With steroids, stealing signs and spitballs the Commissioners are the men who have lost integrity by allowing real disgrace. Pete Rose has achievements that will likely never be broken and can always know he played hard, managed to win, and never dishonored the game. The rule of gambling is a good rule, he should have steered clear, but it’s time to be human and see the league has allowed far greater transgressions..... Houston ought to be banned , but that would mean too much money lost and lawsuits and so it’s not about honor anymore.
One thing for sure - they can't erase him from baseball history.
Pete not being inducted into the HOF is the biggest travisty in all of Sports.
If he came clean right away, he'd probably be reinstated and in the HOF by now.
Apparently Schmidt, Bench and Morgan even came up with an act of contrition type of thing to help, but he didn't do it.
I understand him living in Vegas because that's where he makes his $ selling autographs and memorabilia, but he's also admittedly bet on baseball at the casinos there and thinks it's ok because it's legal. Not a good look.
I wonder if Pete Rose put any money on the Astros.
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You are dead wrong for saying baseballs home run leader was definitely on something and wasn't punished. That's a boldface defamation of the GOAT. He served 6 months house arrest on a charge he was acquitted of. So he was punished for something he didn't do. The MLB had it out for barry when he stiff armed them for their check. *Allegedly lmao
So many rumours that he bet against his team. Did the report say that he only bet on his team?
I believe so
It was speculated heavily that his gambling went further than the report. When they ended the investigation the Dowd report stated as such but ended before could be confirmed
I was unaware that Felipe Vazquez is actually Pete Rose 2.0
I think he should be in the hall of fame
If you ban Pete Rose from the Hall of Fame just for betting on his team, you might as well ban over half the Hall of Famers for their sins that were worse than what Pete Rose did - starting with the Bronx Bomber himself, The Bambino, The Myth, The Legend...
GEORGE HERMAN "BABE" RUTH
Did Babe Ruth bet on baseball and get caught? What rule did he break that clearly states you will be banned if you break this rule?
Pete rose HOF class of 2020
Rose should be in the HOF, he wasn't even betting against his team. If he's banned from the HOF and baseball so should Altuve.
Oh, but he was betting against his team.
Yes, he should be in without a doubt. He bet on his team to win! How do you fix a game, when you bet on them to win. What example do you set for young kids, when you tell them it’s okay to take drugs and still be able to play, but if you bet on baseball, your banned for life.
Uhhh...You fix the games before the game when you bet by saving relief pitchers for the next night when you know you're going to bet. The information the bookies have based on Rose's betting patterns tainted the entire sport. That's the reason the rule is written in every clubhouse. Don't gamble on games you're a part of or you will be banned.
I wouldn’t say he should never be inducted, but shoeless joe comes first. Once you’ve exonerated the innocent members of the black sox, then you can *talk* about reinstating Pete Rose. And this is unrelated but bonds being in the hall would be an insult to baseball as an institution
Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose should be in the Hall
They are. The Hall of Shame.
We’re going to make sanctuary cities so we can let drug dealers and murderers get out of jail early but we still want to punish a guy for gambling some 30+ years ago. It doesn’t get any more hypocritical than that.
He most definitely needs to be in the H.O.F. I get it that he broke the rule put into place after the blacksox scandal.and it does say any player or players that bet on baseball.BUT....He never perpously thru games to win money.they can't prove that he ever bet against his team.if you know anything about the competitive nature of Pete Rose....he hates to lose.he wanted to win every game he ever played or coached. The man deserves to be there...unlike 95%of the players today who cheat and get away with it.
Yes
Big red machine tomestoned him
Pete Rose should be in the HOF. He gambled...never on anything that didn't include his team winning. MLB has the all time leader in hits, the all time leader in homeruns...Barry Bonds...not recognized by MLB rhetoric. One would think they would be celebrated, not shunned. Induct Rose in his lifetime, not a posthumous induction...like Ron Santo got. Shameful.
Oh but he did bet against his team.
@@roland7584 No, there wasn't a question about betting against his team(s). In 2004 he did admit (finally) that he had bet on the Reds, but never against them. He was gambling, banned for life...but yet now there are bets, actual gambling being advertised during ballgames. It makes MLB look hypocritical, which they are. The all time hits leader and all time homerun king aren't in the HOF. Manfred is just being a prick, imo.
@@rickywarner7444 There was a question on him betting against the Reds. They had information that he in fact did bet against the Reds too, but there was a timeframe where they wanted the investigation done, so they didn't pursue it because the information they had on him betting was enough based on the rule in place anyway.
I'm not sure why you're blaming Manfred for anything. Pete Rose got himself into this situation and he lied for so long to keep himself in this position. There is no one to blame for Pete Rose's situation other than Pete Rose. Everything else about where MLB is today has nothing to do with what Pete did back then.
That betting rule should be taken out if you're betting on your team to win and Rose should immediately be in the HOF. Those involved in the Astros scandal should be publicly humiliated until they've been properly punished. I'd entertain banning them for life.
Why should the betting rule be taken out? How does betting on your team make it any better?
@@roland7584 Because a player is already wanting his team to win. I don't see the problem on betting on your own team. I don't know, maybe it has to do with them having insider knowledge on the teams and players, like that NBA ref that knew what games to bet on because he knew what refs were biased.
@@johninmontana5847 Here's the problem that you aren't seeing. Scenario 1) Pete will bet on game 3 on the Reds in a weekend series against the Dodgers but not on game 1 or 2, so for the first 2 games he rests players or relievers which taints games 1 and 2 so he can have them fresh for the game he is betting on. Scenario 2) Pete loses bets and owes bookies money, so now they tell Pete in order to settle his debt he must lose a particular game next week. Scenario 3) There is a particular rule that states if you bet on any game you have control of you will be permanently banned.
@@roland7584So it's been a while since I've seen this video- I overlooked the fact that he was in a managerial position. Yeah, betting on a game over which you exercise some control should be a big no-no. I don't know what I was thinking back then...
I will never visit baseball hall of fame as long as Pete Rose is banned
he should be in the hof
If Bob Gibson can make the Hall of Fame throwing Spitballs which are illegal and considered cheating. Then Pete Rose can get in the Hall of Fame for betting on his own Team.
He was a 17x time All-Star player. Not 11.
I have hated Pete since he tried to take out Buddy Harrelson at second base in the '73 playoffs. Question has anyone ever look at what teams might have look like if there wasn't free agents or if there was a salary cap there would be a lot of factors and tangibles that would have to be added to the equation im not sure you can make a logical guess with all the variables I was just wondering who had the best dynasty teams through out the last 50 plus years if money wasn't such a major factor i think basketball and football have better chances of building a dynasty team because they seem to have a cap in spending look forward to hearing back thanks
Since there was a messed up wrold seiries in 1919 they should make rules like that. But still, barry bonds and other steriod users should get the same punishment
Nah I don’t think he should get in, he says he always bet on his team to win but no one will ever be 100% sure.
As a player he should be in the Hall. Absolutely! !! Hit 👑⚾⚾⚾