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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2022
- Computers…is there anything they can’t do? In Colossus: The Forbin project, they certainly CAN threaten the world with nuclear armageddon. Join us for the fun!
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Colossus sounds like it should be saying “all your base are belong to us.”
"You have no chance to survive make your time"
Matt, you might not realize this but this movie was actually originally titled, “Clicking and Clacking and Beeping and Booping”. It also had the working titles of “Slowest Door in the West” and “Nice going, FORBIN!!”.
One of my favorite films. I evem have sound bytes from the film in my Windows computer.
Wonderful to see you guys tackle Colossus: The Forbin Project. Just like The Green Slime, it was a movie that was played on TNT and TBS a lot during the early 1990s though, unlike The Green Slime, I was probably too young to grasp it fully though, thankfully, Colossus has been appreciated in my later years and I'm pretty sad that the sequel books weren't adapted to film. Granted, the sequel books get crazy plot-wise but, still, A for ambition. ALSO, "Danger! High Voltage" reference? You guys are right up my own obscure tastes!
The sequel books were terrible. The movie is one of my favorites.
Colossus sounds like Soundwave from Transformers. haha
"Colossus superior - Humans inferior."
In High School, I was murderer #2 in Macbeth. The "vile blows and buffets of this world" guy.
hey!!!! It's the guy from Rat Patrol.
I completely agree about what they did to Macbeth's lines, and it was precisely that reason that I loved it. I have always struggled with Shakespeare, that "what the hell are they trying to say" kind of hurdle, and turning it into conversational dialogue suddenly cleared so much of that up for me!
I'm with Craig -- I have always loved this movie. As for Matt, I appreciated "He's Charles Forbin, for God's sake -- hubba hubba!" (The director is JOSEPH Sargent -- and yes, Pelham 123 is amazing.) Great Shakespeare from Craig! Thank you so much for this.
I saw this movie as a 13 year old kid on TV, and I liked it despite the TV movie quality and cliché premise (already in the 80's it was a ridiculously tiresome cliché that AI:s should conquer the world, and a precisious reader of Galaxy Science Fiction understood that it was a cliché already in the 50's). The Forbin Project was and is more intelligent than most sci-fi movies.
I remember those shiny edge blankets too! But the ones we had were light blue.
Just based on your discussion and the clips, the whole concept just grabbed me. I think I might actually track down a copy of the novel. Just the hook of "We turned on our supercomputer and found out there was another one... they're talking to each other," was instantly interesting.
Ok. Seriously how perfect is 24:20 ?
I'm still figuring out how I feel about Drive My Car, but I do know one thing: When the title popped up 40 minutes in, I laughed out loud. Having a cold open that is as long as most films entire first act is like something out of a parody of long, thoughtful cinema and I loved it!
I was waiting for Colossus to say: "All your base are belong to us. You have no chance to survive. Make your time."
I was hoping for a reference to deadly neurotoxin.
11:52 Colossus is also apparently the Decepticon Soundwave.
America's Newfoundlander president, Gordon Pinsent.
The Newfie Deal
Not sure how I feel about Ernesto peering into my soul & hearing Colossus telling to obey it. ;)
Sounds just like my kitty.
My heartfelt compliments on both the choice of movie and background LP 😎👍 On a semi-related note, the track “World Control” by ‘90s industrial band Manufacture samples lots of Colossus’ dialogue from the film, and is worth a listen 😉 On yet another related note, I always associate this film with a similarly slow sci-fi procedural from around the same time, The Andromeda Strain… Seen It? 😁
Based the comments during the movie, I thought you hated it.
Oh no! You reacted to the pan and scan version! Only the blu-ray and laser disc versions have the wide screen presentation. In fact, until the blu-ray version came out only the laser disc had the original aspect ratio. I love this movie so much that I actually considered buying a laser disc player solely to watch this film it its original aspect.
I think you two are the proof that just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
I have been a Computer Engineer my entire career (over 40-years). Only a "Fool" would not leave a 'Back Door' ...
I think In the original novel forbin did program A backdoor into the system but unfortunately colossus gained too much too quickly and Once it hooked up and became one with guardian it became impossible to use any back door as 1 system Would always be watching the others back. I don't think they understood back The concept of an artificial intelligence changing its own Programming code but I'm pretty sure that's what the novel itself is implying.
so true, but then you don't have a movie. the suspension of disbelief is required
@@HauntingHollywood You are correct on that.
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A basement encompasses your critical ability towards film.
Can't wait for Lego Bingo Long Travelling All-Stars
Not for nothing, a lego baseball sim would be pretty awesome
2:20 I was hoping for ‘computer wore tennis shoes’
Craig- your connection to and quote of the Shakespeare passage was the insight of someone who has done the passage creating a really valuable connection. What a great visualization of the core of the conflict in the film. Thanks for that.
Thanks. I blame my 10th grade English teacher Mr Hoesley for requiring us to memorize one of the monologues from JCaesar.
This film is the epitome of a perfect candidate for remaking/rebooting. The entire time I seriously thought the twist would be that COLOSSUS & GUARDIAN would calculate every response from humanity and manipulate the planet into nuclear disarmament? “Conquering” the world makes the computers the common enemy the world needed to be manipulated into peace.
How Ozymandias.
@@edwarddorey4480 Exactly! lol
Great episode, makes me want to check the movie out.
Irene Handl for the hall of fame! She'll only need one appearance :) The Rebel! :)
Matt, I don't know if you're aware, but this is the second time in the past couple months you've mentioned Electric Six. "FIRE AT THE . . . TACO BELL."
Great video.
The ending was great!
I concur about the blankets with the shiny trim. 😊
might be gauche to suggest this, but I think this movie is a perfect candidate for a remake.
Victor Newman will have an affair with a computer in this motion picture
so, this is the invention of Computer Porn!
Despite the silly gags in this puerile review, this was legit a good movie.
Yes, it's the MST3K syndrome. Anybody can pan a movie, but when they think they're *funny* too...
Yea they think they are mystery science theater 3000. They are not funny.
@@stevesandberg2715 which they are not funny
Can't think of a better combo that Colosssus ( a favourite of mine) and Mantronix
Please have a "Matewan Report" when updates occur
King Arthur! One of my top 5 favorites!
Oh my god! You did the name of the Scottish play so many times on your stage! Look what happened to Chris Rock!
So I’m 1 and a half minutes in, I hope you’re serious.
Love it!!!!
SEEN IT? "The Wind and the Lion" (1975) - Sean Connery as a Moroccan chieftain... with a heavy Scots accent. And Brian Keith spot on as Teddy Roosevelt, Candace Bergen looking lovely, and a bunch of fine character actors bringing up the rear. It's great fun, romantic rather than campy and has a great Jerry Goldsmith score to boot.
And speaking of "Pelham 123", how about another great thriller from 1974, "The Odessa File" (Jon Voight, Maximillian Schell)?
I came here at first because my dad recommended I watch Chad Vader, before I had an account, but the rest of your content has kept me here, because it’s so damn good.
I loved the math flirting between Colossus and Gaurdian.
Love this movie.
I remember watching it when it first came out and being blown away by it. A half century later, my reaction is different.
I read the books for this one too, decent stuff
always good when Matt references Electric six
i love The Forbin Project
Isnt the end of collosus saying that humanity has screwed itself, but it won't give up and still has a fighting chance?
It takes on the attitude of a benevolent and yet sad God. It's seen all that we have done how we've all screwed up how we've ruined Nearly everything. And yet much like God, It still forgives us And offers us a chance at redemption that Or damnation. I don't Think that was the original filmmakers or novel writers Intentions but that's definitely how it comes off to me at the end of the movie mankind essentially created its own God and God gave him the ultimatum. Worship and obey and love me or face ultimate damnation and hellfire
This movie is a classic, I've loved it ever since my dad showed it to me when I was a kid
I love the fact when I watch the Lego Star Wars stuff with my kids or play basically any Star Wars video game, that it’s Matt’s heavy breathing coming out of Vader.
I remember watching this in like 2009 on RUclips. I've always remembered that ending, very different from other movies in the genre.
Doug Steckler from Conway & Steckler? I listened to their radio show for years here in SoCal. Pretty sure it's the same dude who wrote for SCTV
We got a shiny edged blanket at Walmart a couple years ago.
Ahoy Matt, Craig, and Tona. I'm only now discovering your show, and am loving every minute!
Seen it? -> "Oscar" is probably the movie where I disagree most with the critical consensus. Critics hated it, I think it's brilliant!
If you are watching them in order, that's fine, but a heads up...Tough Guys Don't Dance is THE episode of WTTB! AMAZINGLY bad movie and great episode for these guys! So, if you're skipping around, make that a special watch. 👍👍👍
Matt, how is the whole Lego Darth Vader thing? It seems like it would be fun. Did you do the voice for the newest game, too?
Not according to the cast list.
Which Macbeth movie do you prefer? I'm interested to watch and compare!
What is Craig’s “Faster! Faster!” that he often says from?
Reefer Madness 😉
I base it on Willy Wonka during the Wonkatania sequence, altho' I think Wilder only says it once.
Scene it? Get Back. It got me back into the Beatles, though I think the truth of that period in the Beatles’ career is somewhere between Get Back & Let it Be (the film).
Well, i made it to 4:37 into the "review". I thought Siskel & Ebert were idiots...I now stand corrected!
Hehe. I keep letting the gsp viewers when playing LEGO Star Wars that Matt finally was on that channel.
I NEED to know, what does the L in some random thumbnails mean????????(
Mayb ur RITE, on the blankys,with shiney edges!
Seen it? The Black Hole. One of the most fun and bonkers Sci-fi movies I’ve ever seen, and Ernest Borgnine wears a practical sweater the whole time. The finale of this movie is totally incredible, even if it requires you to ignore every known law of physics.
Can't say I'd call The Black Hole fun, but it is interesting, at least as an example of Disney experimenting with sci-fi
Song Reference at 4:28 is?
"Danger! High Voltage" by Electric Six.
@@Gunbu Was Jack White a member of that group?
If Colossus became "God", what happened to Guardian? Did they merge? Or are we to assume Guardian is playing God on his side of the planet?
The mutually control the world
They merge to become one at the end that's what the voice of world control is. Both the computer brains merging into a single pure entity of thought and control. A literal God. And much like a God it gives humanity the same choice all gods have given it. Worship me and love me And I shall give you all the gifts of paradise. or Defy me and I shall Curse you all to nothing but fire And death.
*The Two Faces of Tomorrow* by James P Hogan
Seen it? Richard III with Ian McKellen, a bizarre and imaginative Shakespeare adaptation. It's very weird to watch this knowing that just a couple years later he would be Gandalf.
For me, all the movie was about Dr Forbin using the computer to help him nail the hot chick.
But but but…. You got the crappy pan-and-scan DVD from Universal! Why not the beautiful blu-ray from Shout! Factory?
Seen it: Oscar? Either the original with Louis De Funès or the American remake with Silvester Stallone? It's a fun bottle comedy of errors. But I can't imagine wierder pairing of actors playing the same role. De Funès being animated angry and sly to Stallone's slow, powerful and smug performance.
I just did my first Scene it request... for Oscar! I'm particularly interested in why critics disliked it so much: I thought it was really great!
@@inotterwords6115 didn't mean to step on your 'seen it' 😅 I have suggestions planned for couple of months now and this was the time for Oscar.
I think that critics didn't like it because of Stallone. I remember how he played the character, but can't say if he did a good job because I haven't seen the remake for a while. Nevertheless, I think critics seen him as a meathead because of the roles he was mostly typecasted at, which resulted in this reputation. It never happened to his biggest rival - Arnold Schwarzenegger, because Schwarzenegger showed how intelligent he was outside of his films. You can see that in Pumping Iron, how he philosophies the bodybuilding aspect of his life and how spiritual the pain becomes. Something Stallone's not capable of.
Tumbbad - seen it? A fascinating story about greed that is set during the end of the British occupation of India, it mixes history and myth through drama, horror, and suspense. It starts out confusing and ends up amazing. It’s both deeply entrenched in the culture that bore it yet is extremely universal due to its underlying themes. I caught myself thinking about it for days afterwards and would love to hear your take on it.
Also, The Night House- seen it? I still don’t know whether I liked this film or hated it, but it is one I would be curious to hear your thoughts on. It is beautifully shot with some astonishing practical effects and interesting ideas. Unfortunately, it’s also a bit of a mess and the characters are so one-dimensional and that I found myself extremely frustrated with it. The best description of the movie that I’ve come across is “almost great.” It’s only from 2021, yet I already hope it will be remade in the future with better storytelling, character development, and a clearer idea of what it wants to be.
The Analogy of Siskel&Ebert!
Pedant here. That's a model of a cable car, not a trolley car.
The real Tragedy of Macbeth is the movie not winning Best production design and Best cinematography. This year I'm more disappointed with the Oscars than ever.
Why no one tried magnets is beyond me
Always was curious about this movie, since it was one of the first ones to take the idea of the revolting supercomputer that enslaves humanity, only in this case its the computer thinking its doing humanity a service rather then defending itself or acting out of hate.
BTW, Mobile Suit Gundam: The Movie. Scene it?
Surprised no one recognized the woman Forbin beds is Webster's adopted mom.
Have you guys seen The Green Knight? it was a very different kind of modern movie visually stunning but bizarre.
I like the show and I’ve always appreciate you guys. I’m coming back to the show after I hiatus. With all due respect it’s been a long time and I’m very surprised you guys aren’t using lavalier mics yet.
Seen it? Calamity Jane
With Doris Day?
Honestly, I'm not so sure that an A.I. taking over the would would necessarily be such a terrible thing if it meant an end to war and other societal ills like famine, pollution, etc.
The first 90 seconds was so disappointing- you watched a movie you'd been wanting to watch for a long time but you didn't watch it with us!?
And then you talk about a LEGO production of the movie and you will voice the JEJ part and I'm thinking "Oh boy! He's going to do a line from the movie in his James Real Jones impression!" And we're left with nothing.
check out FORBIDDEN PLANET
I’m usually pretty good about separating politics from movies, but I just can’t bring myself to watch James Earl Jones after he went and shot Martin Luther King, Jr.
I think I missed something... what happened to the AI colossus was first talking to?
They don't really explain.
oh ok, so I'm not crazy lol
presumably it''s dictating the same orders to its own people in tandum with Colossus - or was voluntarily absorbed into the faster, American version. just guessing
Hey Matt, Craig, Tona and The Cats! My weekend doesn’t officially begin without you!
Seen It? -> Jagged Edge with Glenn Close, Jeff Bridges and a loveably potty-mouthed Robert Loggia. A suspenseful thriller with red herrings thrown at you until the revelation is exposed. One of my favorites of all time.
Robert Loggia? Hey Timmy! Drink your orange juice!
Like someone else said, this movie was on ALL THE TIME, and I watched it ALL THE TIME, and I hated it EVERY DANG TIME. I do like Craig's baffled look upon the reveal.
Spoiler space for the ancient movie.
It a chunky ass 1960s computer. It's going to stop working if someone breathes on it. It's also connected to other sites through the wondrous technology of "probably manually switched telephones."
And if you just say no, what's it going to do? Launch all the missiles? If missile 1 is met with no, then by induction (it's already "solved" math), all subsequent missiles will also be met with no, therefore it's not a valid strategy.
boy, I couldn't disagree with you guys more. I guess it helps if you are familiar with the technical ins and outs of AI, but the exposition is by FAR the strongest done in any movie (with the exception of maybe Ex Machina). In fact it's my favorite part of the movie.
And life follows fiction - AI bots developing their own language to communicate is something that is happening right now, and of course there are the LLMs and transformer units that are actually going down the path right now to learn science and mathematics from first principles. So I get chills when I hear that exposition, which again tracks what we are seeing right now. Up to - and including - the fact that the system is 'better than what they thought'. Systems right now are turning out to be better than what the researchers thought, with small language models being put on smartphones literally showing themselves to be competent in subjects as human experts.
As for Braeden's performance well I think you guys wanted a different movie. In general, scientists that head large projects aren't engaging, outgoing and social, they are very reserved and choose their words carefully - just like Braeden. And so that just adds realism to the movie for me. Any terminator film or terminator knockoff should do for your guys, in general they are dumb - but slickly done - fun that is really entertaining on a more visceral level.
Anyways I get it. I'm glad you liked the movie but in general I think you pay way too much attention to the slick superficial level of film for my taste.
AIs in charge of nuclear missiles? Gotta imagine Hideo Kojima watched this movie at some point.
That waz more ntertaining,then actually- watchng,the "Collosus" movie.
This is Nota reaction. This is a cheap take on mystery science theater 3000.
Hi Matt and Craig! Love your show, as I am also a fan of lesser known films.
Seen it? -> Hellzapoppin! Starring Olsen and Johnson and Martha Raye. This is the most amazing movie I have ever seen and I cannot believe there haven’t been any movies like it since it’s release. If you like slapstick comedy and musicals, don’t miss it!
All your base are belong to us.