So We Got a Call... 2011 Ram Dead on the Road

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  • Опубликовано: 7 окт 2022
  • This problem child 2011 Ram with a 5.7 Hemi is broken, again. This time it died on the road. Sometimes it starts, sometimes it doesn't. We quickly track the problem down and get it mostly fixed.
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  • @davidcolesr.8628
    @davidcolesr.8628 Год назад +375

    I think I can Speak for us all and say We appreciate you getting out the Camera and having us along. The Bingo is an Instant Classic,your sense of humor is sharp as ever. As I’ve said before you are Wise beyond your Years Wes, the Flashing Procedure just might help someone it was quite involved. I’ll catch you on the next one. Keep It Safe Out There Sir

  • @greencomputerfan
    @greencomputerfan Год назад +55

    Computer control modules arent inherently a bad idea in cars, but holy crap all this VIN locking programming account creation hoop jumping makes we want something with a carburetor.

    • @orbitalair2103
      @orbitalair2103 Год назад +5

      Yeah, this should all be open software, we should lobby congress. like that'll happen./s

    • @frontagulus
      @frontagulus Год назад +5

      If someone made a new non-computer car, I'll wager it would get close to the same mileage and I'd get in line to buy one (and I never buy new cars)

    • @shanesgettinghandy
      @shanesgettinghandy Год назад +5

      @@frontagulus Unfortunately it will likely never happen, as there are more and more laws requiring certain types of computer technology on new car sales. Examples: Event Data Recorders, Airbags, Anti-lock brakes, OBD II ports, etc... All of my cars are old for a reason. If someone made a new car featuring the absolute minimum in required computer technology, I might consider that. My brake lights don't need their own computer module on the car's network, thanks.

    • @marshmower
      @marshmower Год назад

      @@shanesgettinghandy they know what station and shift the assembly line worker installed the part. Take that truck and register it for sale in a non inspection state. Put a 350 in it and call it a day. Lol. 1992 dodges weren't this fickle

    • @TwoDollarGararge
      @TwoDollarGararge 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@orbitalair2103open source software won't happen that means the dealerships can't have Monopoly on OEM tools usually you have to wait a few years until a Chinese clone of the OEM tool comes out

  • @t1259sw
    @t1259sw Год назад +47

    For those that weren't paying attention Wes gave a very good tip of the day when he cleaned the female plugs. Always, I say always blow out the cleaner, never leave the cleaner in the plug, the cleaner will eat the red clips that holds the pins in the plug body. You ask how do I know this, because I made this mistake on the PCM plugs on my wife's Jeep. Great troubleshooting as always, everybody should love a single line.

  • @maxpain9111
    @maxpain9111 Год назад +37

    Loved it when you said the pup wrecked a whole family lmao 😂

  • @josh33025
    @josh33025 Год назад +50

    It's running fine in the beginning and it's a half hour video, this one should be a good one folks.

  • @htownblue11
    @htownblue11 Год назад +155

    Zip ties and bias plies would call you a magical wizard for fixing a dodge and getting it to actually run. I just call you a hero Wes. Great troubleshooting as usual my man!

    • @tylerhunt891
      @tylerhunt891 Год назад +21

      Zip ties would have brought out the excavator for that pile of dodge

    • @paisleyprince5280
      @paisleyprince5280 Год назад +5

      Naw peg would have pulled the 12 valve cummins and smashed the shipping crate it came in.

    • @tylerhunt891
      @tylerhunt891 Год назад +8

      @@paisleyprince5280 this had a hemi not a Cummins, it’s not even a shipping crate just junk 😂

    • @osrr6422
      @osrr6422 Год назад +5

      @@tylerhunt891 No, its still a shipping crate... for the scrap its made of.

    • @79tazman
      @79tazman Год назад +12

      All new cars and trucks are junk I don't care what brand it is they are all a big headache that are there to cause you misery that is why I like the old cars where you can fix everything on the side of the road and the parts don't cost a arm and leg and hours of time and a expensive scanner tool to see what is wrong with it. If you think this is fun wait till the electric cars start becoming more common and wait till they meet the salt belt. You think cars have issues now just wait for the electric cars to go through a few salty winters LOL!

  • @samcooke2742
    @samcooke2742 Год назад +118

    Interesting insight on 2008-2012 era auto technology. Lead-free solder, a new generation of distributed control modules, and more stringent emissions regs add up to downstream reliability problems. It's way worse than the problems with previous technology introductions, like electronically controlled carburetors, because the electronic control system diagnosis required now is outside the skillset of most mechanics. Full props to Wes for fearlessly diving in to do whatever the job requires.

    • @graywolf2694
      @graywolf2694 Год назад +9

      Now wait for today's trash

    • @dontblameme6328
      @dontblameme6328 Год назад

      Gotta love the EPA... Keep voting for demorats if you like this kind of junk.

    • @GlamStacheessnostalgialounge
      @GlamStacheessnostalgialounge Год назад +5

      Yeah, working on cars, I can confidently say this era is the absolute worst. Only good thing is that they will all soon be destined for the scrapper, while the older machines will still run for decades to come.

    • @johnd5398
      @johnd5398 Год назад +3

      @@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge spoken like a true dinosaur

    • @johnd5398
      @johnd5398 Год назад

      lol you jokers commenting on mechanic videos. Make up your minds, already. Half of you bitch because "no one can fix a car without a computer anymore and people who use them aren't real mechanics"... then the next minute, tech is "outside the skillset of most mechanics".
      So which is it?

  • @ThacMan
    @ThacMan Год назад +1

    The Chrysler Bingo card was an epic ending.

  • @danhunik7949
    @danhunik7949 Год назад +16

    I remember back in the day you dried out the points, cleaned the rotor and cap contacts and you were on your way.

    • @kenuber4766
      @kenuber4766 Год назад +3

      "Those were the days" !!...Archie Bunker

    • @erik_dk842
      @erik_dk842 Год назад

      Every 5000 miles

    • @jdmccorful
      @jdmccorful Год назад

      Que the tune, "Those were the days my friend"!

    • @kenuber4766
      @kenuber4766 Год назад

      @@jdmccorful" I thought they'd never end" HaHa

    • @dfross87
      @dfross87 Год назад

      @@erik_dk842 I wonder if the Dodge is making it 5000 miles between visits to Wes.

  • @johnbrossack3791
    @johnbrossack3791 Год назад +62

    Wow, when I was a baby mechanic, putting myself through college, in the late 60's early 70's, the highest tech tools we had were tach/dwell, timing light and voltage meter. No laptops, subscriptions to data bases, except for a couple or Chilton's manuals and no programming anything. Sun diagnostic machines were just becoming popular in that time period, but the mom and pop shop I worked in, could not afford one of those. They were typically at the dealerships. Thanks Wes.

    • @mph5896
      @mph5896 Год назад +11

      its pretty intriguing how much knowledge and tooling is required to get real in depth with modern cars. It can be done on a budget though. Diagnostics I have a $1500 bidirectional scan tool, $169 eBay laptop for programming, cardaq used j2534 I bought off eBay for $300, power probe, test light, multi meter, red brick used scope off eBay for $400. Hand tools, battery ratchets/impacts, midrise lift. Library subscription FREE of charge (via internet) for wiring diagrams. I do occasionally have to buy a 2-3 day subscription to Ford or GM for diagnostic info such as pinouts and connector location, theory of operation for like $20.I guarantee I can do about anything the local dealer can do. I drop out power trains, reflash modules, rebuild automatics. Prob $20k in tools in the garage.

    • @alfabeech
      @alfabeech Год назад +6

      @@mph5896 what are poor people sposed to do nowadays. i just learned today all cars gas pedals are no longer connected to the throttle watching him work on this pickup. i am stocking up on early 90's cars and trucks. old IDI diesels, corollas and festivas and stay home and off the roads in the winter. i have the last cd versions of adobe software before subscriptions started

    • @richardcline1337
      @richardcline1337 Год назад +6

      Those days, sadly, are long gone. Today's vehicles won't last anywhere near as long as the old ones that didn't need all of the fancy gadgetry to get you back and forth to where you wanted to go. Today's future JUNK just has far too many buttons, bells and whistles on them. They are no longer cars, they are rolling game rooms made of cheap plastic.

    • @johnbrossack3791
      @johnbrossack3791 Год назад +3

      @@richardcline1337 Agree. Even once I was out of college, I did a pretty good job of keeping our 1977 Pontiac station wagon running until 1989 when it finally gave up the ghost. We replaced it with a 1989 Pontiac Bonneville. When I got it home, I opened the hood and said "I'm done".

    • @BEANLORD6-9
      @BEANLORD6-9 Год назад +1

      Welcome, you lived long enough to see the beginnings of the technocratic dystopia younger generations get to slog through

  • @timmayer8723
    @timmayer8723 Год назад +2

    Bucolic scene with crickets cricking, harvesters passing the front of your shop, corn fields ready for the picking. Heartland pure and simple.

  • @guymann4016
    @guymann4016 Год назад +18

    I’ve got a 2020 2500 gasser for work with 42,500 miles. It’s already in the shop for a cam shaft and hydro lifter failure. Great trucks.

    • @jimmac1185
      @jimmac1185 Год назад +1

      It's funny how generations change the meanings of words. I was pretty confused the first time I read your comment. A "gasser" is a drag car from the 50s to me and every car guy I know.

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 Год назад

      I would never spend my money on a dodge.

    • @jimmac1185
      @jimmac1185 Год назад

      @@volvo09 Cool story bro. There are plenty of people that do, so your comment really doesn't matter.

  • @southstreetbarbecue7875
    @southstreetbarbecue7875 Год назад +84

    I really appreciate how you sometimes work from weird or uncomfortable angles all in the name of making sure we can see what you're doing. I'm sure it makes things more time consuming and difficult for a lot of your work. Thanks for all the great videos and sharing your knowledge.

  • @osrr6422
    @osrr6422 Год назад +12

    Wes is a brave soul, pulled in the parking lot and got second hand electrical issues.

  • @gmctech
    @gmctech Год назад +19

    Buddy of mine had the exact same issue. I wired in a redundant relay to bypass the PCB relay and just like Wes said, approximately 14 months later other systems began failing on the TIPM. We patched it up yet again and he traded it in 🤫

    • @Silver_o
      @Silver_o Год назад

      Same issue with my fuel pump relay on a C class. Those modules are called signal acquisition Module (SAM) on Mercedes.
      I had to wire an external relay for it.

  • @beergin64
    @beergin64 Год назад +46

    You're no ordinary car technician but a genius who shares knowledge to all willing to learn. I am a subscriber and watch old or new episodes.

  • @rickybobbyracing
    @rickybobbyracing Год назад +25

    This poor guy is really learning what it's like to be a dodge owner

    • @calholli
      @calholli Год назад +6

      You reap what you're sold.

    • @JohnSmith-lw2bm
      @JohnSmith-lw2bm Год назад +3

      No joke!!

    • @buckskinlady
      @buckskinlady Год назад

      Dog* 😂

    • @mph5896
      @mph5896 Год назад +3

      Ha, I like dodge. But I work on my own stuff. Buy a broken dodge for a nickel and go to town on it. 😂

  • @calholli
    @calholli Год назад +41

    You can get a "Tipm bypass" wire that allows you to plug into that fuel pump fuse and jump it to the "rear cigg lighter" relay, which is not used in the trucks anyway. There are several videos about it on here. Only a nine dolhair fix... Although it looks like he was already tapped into that fuse with that extra wire.

    • @alanprather8399
      @alanprather8399 Год назад +20

      like he said he has to warranty the work. hacks a good for diy, but he can't warranty if it goes south

    • @Usmanthemecano
      @Usmanthemecano Год назад +9

      @@alanprather8399 the dealer uses similar "hack"...

    • @calholli
      @calholli Год назад +10

      @@alanprather8399 It's not really a hack if you get the purpose built wire for it. If you make your own wire out of junk you have laying around -- then yeah, that's more of a hack. He couldn't really do it on this one because the guy had already used up that "rear cigg lighter" fuse that I was talking about. That random wire that he plugs in at the end of the video, after cutting the side of the box--- he plugs into that same fuse/ relay that I was talking about. I'm not sure what that's for -- maybe a plow or something.

    • @ferrumignis
      @ferrumignis Год назад +8

      @@calholli _" It's not really a hack if you get the purpose built wire for it"_
      Is this a Dodge supplied modification?

    • @meadowviewlawncarellc8079
      @meadowviewlawncarellc8079 Год назад +7

      @@calholli yeah it’s for the plow it shows key on power so the plow won’t operate with the truck off, technically if you don’t care about being able to move the plow with truck off you can just fuse that wire directly to the battery.

  • @ruralthunder8854
    @ruralthunder8854 Год назад +13

    I’d like to see you crack open that module, just out of curiosity! Great videos!

  • @jeffryblackmon4846
    @jeffryblackmon4846 Год назад +14

    I once bought the last Dodge K-car fuel injector in the country. It's a strange feeling knowing that and wondering how anyone else would find one. Many thanks for bringing us along on this job, Wes. IMHO vehicles have become too dependent on computers. It was pleasing to see harvesting taking place after the MSM has been telling us fuel costs were stopping farmers from reaping their crops and that fertilizer was not available.

  • @97marqedman
    @97marqedman Год назад +23

    I’ve repaired/resoldered so many TIPM boards over the years, I almost could’ve opened a business just based on that alone. Edit: $500 for repairing them?! Goddamn, I was hosing myself…I was replacing all the pcb relays and reflowing all the joints for $250. Craaaaap.

    • @thomas316
      @thomas316 Год назад +7

      Doesn't sound like people will be able to purchase the part now so soon you'll be able to charge whatever you like. 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @99andrianmonk
    @99andrianmonk Год назад +24

    "If it worked it would have been a good idea." Words to live by. Also, Chrysler Bingo - that's a salable idea. Stellantis should supply one with each new vehicle they sell.
    Wes, your videos are priceless; humor, educational, informative, and never the same thing. Keep'm coming.

  • @SubtractZero
    @SubtractZero Год назад +1

    This lucky bastard actually got the mechanic to witness the problem he described in-person.
    That's like finding a person in Los Angeles that hasn't been divorced 3 times.

  • @diesellivesmatter
    @diesellivesmatter Год назад +1

    I don't even park next to Chryslers in fear for second hand electrical problems.

  • @brettrobinson1430
    @brettrobinson1430 Год назад +31

    I have done a lot of external relays to fix this issue but it makes total sense in your situation. I like how you break down all the options and explain why you do things the way you do. Great video as always.

  • @barthanes1
    @barthanes1 Год назад +8

    $1800 for a $3 component on the circuit board. The auto manufacturers really have a racket going here.

    • @CAPNMAC82
      @CAPNMAC82 Год назад

      And the next guy in the area has to go Aftermarket and hope it works out of the box, and for only $100 less.

  • @dickdaley9059
    @dickdaley9059 Год назад +1

    In the next thrilling episode, see the 2011 back in the shop for more intermittent electrical failures. This sweetheart is a content monster!

  • @StopDropandLOL
    @StopDropandLOL Год назад +1

    Worked at a Dodge store in that bankruptcy era and you hit the nail on the head. They were total garbage. Trucks with less than 10,000 miles needing tie rods, couldn’t get parts (remember having 20 half tons on the lot stuck because we couldn’t get wiper motors), poor build quality with more than a few vehicles needing repairs during the PDI process. It was brutal.

  • @johnglasgow83
    @johnglasgow83 Год назад +8

    I loved the closing shot with the piano music. The true money shot was the open hood with the laptop perched on the radiator. You have the patience of a saint for the IT hoops to jump through. At that point I was thinking about how much more reliable a hoarse and buckboard would be.

    • @CrimeVid
      @CrimeVid Год назад

      Well, about every twenty five years the horse dies …

    • @dfross87
      @dfross87 Год назад +1

      @@CrimeVid That's probably a better life expectancy than the Dodge. And the horse won't rust.

    • @CrimeVid
      @CrimeVid Год назад

      @@dfross87 That’s the point !

  • @kentmckean6795
    @kentmckean6795 Год назад +5

    Excellent diagnostics on figuring out the TIPM failure. In all honesty, I would have hotwired in a new relay to power the fuel pump and saved the big bucks... But, if that's what the customer wanted, go ahead and spend his money!

  • @dieselwelds8645
    @dieselwelds8645 Год назад +1

    Absolutely love the farming ballet at the end

  • @knightofelemia1567
    @knightofelemia1567 Год назад +2

    The owner must really love this truck I would have just parted it out and bought a new one. Always thought the drunk Dodge steering was for the Cummins never knew it was also on the gas engines as well.

  • @fixxerautomotive4917
    @fixxerautomotive4917 Год назад +5

    I feel like if I owned one of these trucks, I would just tap the control wire from the PCM and add my own external fuel pump relay (done right with weather pack connections), easy, cheap, and reliable. I feel like you could probably do that for any of the relays that go bad in those POS TIPM's. Just have a small relay box under the hood. You forgot "Wiped Camshaft" on your bingo card ;)

    • @TwoDollarGararge
      @TwoDollarGararge 7 месяцев назад

      If that's what you want to do then a second gen RAM is the truck for you half the second gen's I see still running or running on house wiring I think these are two new to do that quite yet You're getting there though

  • @qu54re65
    @qu54re65 Год назад +9

    I'm glad you made a video about this. I live in a small town in Alaska of a couple thousand people off the road system; which mainly exists to murder salmon. I do electrical on boats and seem to get sucked into vehicles because I worked in automotive before I moved to AK in 2013 and there doesn't seem to be any good auto techs here. I'm definitely stealing the "recession vehicle" phrase because it does seem like I end up working on more electrical issues with 2008-2012 era trucks than anything else automotive. I loled when you said "what did we learn today...nothing" because that perfectly describes just about everything I work on. I usually fix the issue, shake my head, and walk away hoping it doesn't burn down because everything else is so bad. If the boat doesn't burn down I'll probably get a call in the next couple years asking (or subtly accusing) what I did because some unrelated 20 year old thing finally stopped working. Thanks for the humor from a fellow commiserate.

  • @kajem575
    @kajem575 Год назад

    The exspense and toil it currently takes to fix any given problem on any brand/model vehicle is enough to make a grown man cry😒

  • @arthurjennings5202
    @arthurjennings5202 Год назад +1

    This truck loves you, Wes. It can't stay away from your care.

  • @ronicard
    @ronicard Год назад +3

    I love the fact that you don't edit out your mistakes. Great diagnostics and honesty. Makes your channel one of the best on RUclips

    • @thesteelrodent1796
      @thesteelrodent1796 10 месяцев назад

      wouldn't be educational if he left out the mistakes

  • @ladeseddy5994
    @ladeseddy5994 Год назад +4

    Damn. Love the custom bends on the wipers arms! LOL.

  • @JonatanGronoset
    @JonatanGronoset Год назад

    I think this truck loves you, Wes. It keeps breaking down just so it can be back in your sweet tender care! 🤣😂

  • @johntremain8403
    @johntremain8403 Год назад +2

    I replaced six of the seven relays in my 08 Wrangler TIPM for $20 in new relays last fall. It wasn't as hard as it was scary. In my case, the relays were not the actual issue inside the TIPM.
    I got a practice TIPM from a junkyard Liberty for $20 to practice on and have as a possible short-term back-up. So I removed it from the Jeep, got it open, and found that even with all the visible solder removed, that I couldn't free the relays with the pins still attached... So I used wire cutters to literally cut the relays apart piece by piece to leave only the pins. I then used a solder wick and a small soldering iron to get the remaining solder and pins off. A few of the high amp relays needed a heavy iron due to the ground pin being attached to the ground plane, but these came off with a heavy-tip Weller style gun. Soldering the replacement ones in was the easiest part of the job. After replacing all but one relay, I had little effect.
    It started with the TIPM randomly alarming the horn, running the wipers, and squirt juice. Usually when driving over a bump, turning a corner. Pulling over, popping the hood, and striking the TIPM always fixed that. In the winter sometimes the blower would not work for a day or two. Every once in a while, the door locks would cycle for no reason. One day the headlights stopped working for no apparent reason. I did find that removing the TIPM for 24 hours would fix the headlights. When that happened the second time, I did remove the TIPM and decided to replace all the relays as described above, but this only seemed to fix the lock issue.
    After further review over the winter, I realized that the transistors that drive the relays are the issue. Unfortunately for me, these are buried even deeper in the TIPM on the vertical board with a plastic cover that is gasket glued to the board to weather seal it... Last time I tried on the practice unit, I couldn't get the cover free with an Exacto knife, so I put the repair on hold. Now I need to get the Jeep ready for winter... So tomorrow I'm back on it and will try my heat gun to see if that releases the glue and lets me at the transistors. LOL If that works, I may have finally actually saved $500 for a refurbished unit $1,000 for a factory rebuild. There ought to be a law against placing safety related relays deep inside a plastic box soldered to a board. Did the accountants dream that up?

  • @JesStricker
    @JesStricker Год назад +30

    Love your work and explanation of things Wes. Look forward to your video's weekly.

  • @TheFlyingBusman
    @TheFlyingBusman Год назад +8

    Don’t you just love such modules. Similar fun and games are to be had with Euro tat. The PSA group (Peugeot, Citroen, etc) have the BCI (Body Control Interface) which can create all manner of joyous faults. I’m quite happy hauling units such as this apart and replacing relays or re-soldering boards. Bring back the good old days of simple motors with minimal electronics.

    • @thesteelrodent1796
      @thesteelrodent1796 10 месяцев назад

      every manufacturer have their own quirks, and each generation of vehicles develop faults unique to that vehicle. The latest generation of VW have pisspoor plastic quality that causes microswitches to break and short out. BMW still have random cars that develop recurring problems with sensors and injectors. Daimler (or Mercedes rather) have recurring issues with Monday cars that have one fault after the other, and generally not isolated to any specific model. And the list goes on and on. The Japanese are the only ones who seem able to make cars that are persistently either good or bad, theirs are rarely a bunch of bad mixed in with all the good ones

  • @highdesertworkshop
    @highdesertworkshop Год назад +2

    I've always thought the phrase "I like old cars because I can work on them" was stupid until I started watching your videos. now it sounds like advice from Einstine. One of the things I've learned is that my 6.0 Ford Powerstroke isn't so bad after all.

  • @roypearce6968
    @roypearce6968 Год назад +6

    So much computer stuff and not easy fix for a average person. Great video Wes and more and more vehicles are going to need this computer knowledge to fix them. And it won’t be cheap to fix them.

  • @andrewclement7904
    @andrewclement7904 Год назад +19

    Thoroughly enjoyed watching this.your patience and good nature was a breath of fresh air. Good luck and God Bless.

  • @LumpyFPV
    @LumpyFPV Год назад +2

    I'm glad you got the camera out my dude, a fella enjoyed it as always. Best channel on all of the RUclipss.

  • @eformance
    @eformance Год назад

    It is the definition of irony that the mechanic who fixes everybody else's dead vehicles drives a Found On Road Dead.

  • @GICK117
    @GICK117 Год назад +3

    Computers have only just begun to take over the car industry, people. FYI.
    Wes, the fact that you decided to do this "fix" as a video makes me feel very appreciative. We viewers learn much about what to buy when we need to buy. And what not to buy. So, thank you. This video was much needed.

    • @SeanONeill13
      @SeanONeill13 Год назад +1

      “Just”?

    • @CAPNMAC82
      @CAPNMAC82 Год назад

      Go over to Aging Wheels and check out Bob Dunne's new Swedish electric car with Android Car operating system . . .

  • @patrickcolahan7499
    @patrickcolahan7499 Год назад +4

    Seeing some of the issues with brand new vehicles doesn't bring any confidence that things are improving. I'll keep my F350, 7.3lt diesel, 4x4, 4 Door, Dually with 195k miles on it. Like anything, there is the occasional maintenance and repair to be done, but that is with everything. Thanks for sharing.

    • @alfabeech
      @alfabeech Год назад

      I'm saving multiple early 90s cars trucks and equipment. Got a great IDI F350 I'm nursing. We're gonna look like Cuba with their vintage vehicles.. In fact we're turning into Cuba.

  • @joeyf504327
    @joeyf504327 Год назад +1

    finally! A mechanic said it too. 2009 to 2012 was awful for cars. We had an 07 Suburban that was built in 06 and it definitely had problems but no where near the problems reported to the forums that the 09 to 12 model years of the same body style had.

  • @kendewitt5811
    @kendewitt5811 Год назад +2

    I don't know why Chrysler in their infinite wisdom didn't include RAM in their round of TIPM recalls. I had a 2011 Grand Cherokee and currently own a 2012 Grand Cherokee. Both with the 5.7 Hemi, and both getting a recall for the fuel pump relay within the TIPM. They literally put an external relay on it as a fix, just like you were saying.
    Funny you should mention the post recession vehicles... Although I love my 2012 Grand Cherokee, it was a good thing I purchased the extended warranty when I bought it, as it was one of the few times in life an extended warranty paid for itself. Thanks for another great video!

  • @chrisgill7824
    @chrisgill7824 Год назад +3

    We had a recall on the fuel pump relay on our 2014 Durango's. the fix was to install an external relay like mentioned in the video. Ordering CBP4P541AB from Dodge gets you the Relay package with instructions on how to install it. It is a hell of a lot cheaper than a TIPM replacement.

  • @erikjoven2388
    @erikjoven2388 Год назад +3

    ive got a 2012 jeep grand cherokee - same kind of issue - there was actually a recall on the fuel pump relay inside the TIPM for that model year. I went with the bypass option - just wired up a really good relay around the TIPM, mounted it to the side of the box there - no issues ever since (5-6 years now).

  • @dericklowe7513
    @dericklowe7513 Год назад +1

    i love the reference to matts off road recovery

  • @chrislarson3123
    @chrislarson3123 Год назад +2

    What you thought wasn’t camera worthy I enjoyed lol.
    Thanks keep um coming!

  • @Tom-In-Ga
    @Tom-In-Ga Год назад +3

    Really like the intro and exit music on this one. Didn't quite know what to expect when it started. You have a great sense of humor. Guess you need it with the kind of work you do.

  • @HODGEPODGEDODGEGARAGE
    @HODGEPODGEDODGEGARAGE Год назад +3

    That's kinda cool they designed it to where you call pull the main fuse for a parasitic draw. Great work with the diagnosis and repairs Wes 🙂👍 *Bingo Board!!* 🤣

  • @richardwarfield7386
    @richardwarfield7386 Год назад +1

    Thanks Wes - really enjoyed the tongue in cheek Bingo game

  • @travder
    @travder Год назад

    Rocks on the dash seems a real big brain move.

  • @letttttttssssss_gooooooo
    @letttttttssssss_gooooooo Год назад +3

    Glad you got the camera out. This may seem mondaine to you but the first time I have seen it. Good stuff. Thanks!

  • @FlatThunder
    @FlatThunder Год назад +3

    Wow Dodge! I haven't been a fan since Dad's 1984 Daytona Turbo Z. Would have been fun to see the $10 external relay repair, but gotta give the customer what they want. Good video Wes! 👍😁

  • @jeff8664
    @jeff8664 Год назад +1

    Beautiful closing shot Wes … the sky the music. All of it

  • @grawey77
    @grawey77 Год назад +1

    There is a bypass kit with a relay from Chrysler for about $100. It comes with easy to follow instructions. The kit works on all Models with this issue. This would have been a cake walk with your wiring skills Wes. Me and a mechanic buddy did it on my Minivan, it is not very technical and worked perfectly. Before I installed the kit, my van behaved like it had a dying fuel pump. I ordered a fuel pump just in case I needed it which I ended up returning.

    • @grawey77
      @grawey77 Год назад

      It was a 2013 Dodge Caravan.

  • @chrisfreemesser5707
    @chrisfreemesser5707 Год назад +3

    You're being an optimist Wes...once those 2013s hit the 10-12 year old mark let us know if they're still better than the 2009-2012s or not. My money's on not. Having said that I have a 2010 Dodge and am dreading the day when the TIPM finally takes a dirt nap. I can easily see an otherwise still serviceable car getting scrapped for lack of being able to source one

    • @chrisE815
      @chrisE815 Год назад +1

      Hey since it's your car, fix the tipm yourself like Eric O did

  • @markturner8727
    @markturner8727 Год назад +4

    I rarely comment - but gonna say you are exceptional in your troubleshooting / logic skills. Brilliant !!

  • @ironcross420
    @ironcross420 Год назад +1

    My POS 2001 Ford Ranger was doing that too. My MAF crapped out at 90k no codes confirmed via voltage, scan tool live data and tapping it. Got replacement from oreillys auto farts (tools for work or OE MAF) with lifetime warranty. On my 3rd and needs another... The guy at the counter blames me saying that there is something else wrong, can't diag, not properly cleaning / oiling the KN filter. Been nothing but a money pit...
    We had one of those Rams same year in the shop. Service member returned from being deployed, asked for a jump pack which we loan out with their CAC/Credit card. I gave the guy back to his truck so he didn't have to walk like 2-3ish miles. It's a no crank / no start nada. Jump pack on it, still nada. He had some tools and told him to get a test light and just start testing powers and grounds as I needed to get back to shop to finish my work and take off. I come in on Monday to find the truck in our lot. He had it towed over.
    Tech A, ASE Master diag tech is assigned the RO. Counldnt figure it out after 3 days and gave up.
    Tech B, ASE Master 30 years in the game got the RO Gave up after 2 days.
    They both rec to dealer / and or needs PCM... Before Service Writer calls the customer I grabbed the RO. Now both of them testing fuel pressure, scan tool surfing, testing keys, battery, all the top of diag process first... Skipping step 2 of diag process.
    I with only a test light diag it, start it and drive it with in a hour. Now I was watching them whey tried. I like diag crap, the hunt. I 2 step check all fuses, powers, grounds and found a fuse blown. It was a 2A fuse, put a new 7.5 one in just testing starts and drives.
    The 2A fuse is for the keysense. Some dumb ass wired the stereo to keysense circuit as the 12v ignition on source, no relay, so I wired it correctly and shipped it.
    Sorry for the story but people need to remember to do/check basics and don't listen to other techs when they say they diag it correctly, checked powers and grounds / fuses...

  • @brandonschafer55
    @brandonschafer55 Год назад +2

    As a Chrysler technician replacing the fuel pump relay with an external relay is actually a common way we fix tipms. Chrysler even had a recall on 11-14 grand Cherokee and Durango to put in an external relay to bypass the tipm relay

  • @LiamAndcChelsea
    @LiamAndcChelsea Год назад +6

    Awesome work! as usual.

  • @PaulButkiewicz
    @PaulButkiewicz Год назад +6

    interesting insight into the 2009-2012 model year issues. i never gave it any thought, but those are great points. thanks for another entertaining and informative video!

  • @bradwhite6254
    @bradwhite6254 Год назад +1

    My girlfriend had a PT loser with a TIPM box. By the time we sold it I had added several external relays to keep it rolling along. Two days after we sold it something else died in the TIPM, so I took it back, added another relay, and sold it again. Good times.

  • @chrissmith7655
    @chrissmith7655 Год назад +1

    Hi Wes, we want to see anything you want to upload, all is good watching. Many thanks from Nr Liverpool UK.

  • @Jpyromarine
    @Jpyromarine Год назад +11

    Hey Wes, was definitely hoping you could do a tear down of the TIPM. Also I know you said the customer wanted to do it right but was curious if you’ve seen the bypass cable.

  • @GreyRockOne
    @GreyRockOne Год назад +7

    Always a good Saturday when Wes posts! better than the rest! Any vehicle (clearly) abused will give issues, this is no exception. I think KARMA from the "DODGE" had you spend money on subscription fees not really needed?

  • @Michael-sz4he
    @Michael-sz4he 10 месяцев назад +1

    Wes- I was gonna buy a Ram 2500 next year. Seeing the utter pain you endure daily with Ram, I'm slowly but very surely walking/running from that idea. Love the videos, your work, your attention to detail and your dry sense of humour.

  • @smasica
    @smasica Год назад +2

    I have a 2008 Dodge Grand Caravan handicapped modified mini-van. It has a 10" lowered floor, in floor ramp, kneeling system. I use a power wheelchair with a floor mounted docking, lock-in system. It's kind of like a mini 5th wheel. We've had it for about 8-10 years and the only major work was replacing the AC on the rear AC system and had the EVAP leak stuff done.
    Aside from some regular tire and brake stuff, the van has been rock solid. I hope it stays that way.

    • @robertheinkel6225
      @robertheinkel6225 Год назад

      I used to work for GMs mobility department. That dropped floor modification is definitely not cheap. Was it done by Braun?

    • @smasica
      @smasica Год назад

      @@robertheinkel6225 We bought the van used from Cummings Mobility in Minnesota. They have a lot of Chrysler products modified by Braun. We've had it for almost 10 years, the previous owner passed away. The only problem with the handicapped equipment was a faulty limit switch on the side door. Replaced it and no problem since.

  • @macks7150
    @macks7150 Год назад +8

    Its still good to watch vids you make on things coming in the shop as always, keep up the awesome work

  • @jlalvarado024
    @jlalvarado024 Год назад +1

    External relay fix was a recall fix for jeeps. FCA just didn't include ram in the recall scope. I had to do an external relay fix for my 2011 ram 1500 a few years ago, just for the jeep recall fix instructions. $35 total for fix

  • @lutemule
    @lutemule Год назад

    I go through all my notifications and I I see one from you I click it first. You are straight up man.

  • @terryrogers1025
    @terryrogers1025 Год назад +7

    Nice to see those types of issues and what takes to repair/replace components, think I will buy a 1970’s vintage what ever and rebuild to like new condition so I can work on it and not have to be a computer geek and a contortionist to work on these new vehicles or maybe even consider a horse and buggy with a bale of hay thrown in on the deal.🙄😏 Thanks for the ride along sir, lucky you got that truck back to shop.

  • @markbowen3638
    @markbowen3638 Год назад +5

    Wes you take diagnostics to a whole new level. These new tech controlled monsters are almost designed to fail. I like the way you won't be beat. Makes for great content but it reaffirms my liking for old pre electronic cars. Thanks for taking us along for the ride and best wishes from the UK 🇬🇧

  • @jamesbt2003
    @jamesbt2003 Год назад +2

    I am glad you did video! Never heard of a tipm before. I learned quite a bit! Loved the bingo at end! Wish you would add that a few more times!

  • @petermac4977
    @petermac4977 Год назад

    I take care of a fleet of Caravans, lots of tipm problems. Whenever the fuel pump relays go, I cut out and bypass the relay and install an external 4 pin relay - it does the trick to keep them going.

  • @Stover1928
    @Stover1928 Год назад +3

    Wes you have a great dry sense of humor! Love it!

  • @johnnybgoode6466
    @johnnybgoode6466 Год назад +4

    Great work again Wes, your videos are getting more entertaining and informative over time. Keep up the great work. Looks like winter is coming with the harvesting of the fields.Take care. Hello from New Zealand.

  • @AUTiger1964
    @AUTiger1964 Год назад +1

    I had a ‘03 Hemi Ram 1500 and never had any electronics problem. I did have persistent check engine warning for “a small leak in the fuel vapor recovery system” Fortunately, at my age and vehicle milage I could obtain a waiver on annual emissions check. Light is still on I suppose. Truck sold a year ago out of state.
    I think your video illustrates that what makes a vehicle less expensive and easier to build for the manufacturer can ultimately bite the consumer in the rear end. It is ridiculous to need a $2000 repair to replace a $10 relay that could easily be owner installed. My truck had removable relays and none ever failed. Another good one Wes!😊

    • @kiwiingenuity1677
      @kiwiingenuity1677 Год назад

      The name of the game in this day is planed obsolescence, then charge like a wounded bull for the parts

  • @callmezucc9318
    @callmezucc9318 Год назад +1

    Customer had issues with his HVAC blower, couldn't get it work. Wanted me to replace the control knobs since he 'diagnosed it'. Well it didn't work so I traced it back to the TIPM. Internal fault, not getting power out of it. Had to bypass it with a relay and stole IGN power from the fuse box as well. Nice going chrysler.

  • @richarddecoster4464
    @richarddecoster4464 Год назад +5

    This was an awesome video and I'm glad you had the camera rolling 😀 I learn to appreciate what you folks deal with on these vehicles especially with these electronics.

  • @jonbruce536
    @jonbruce536 11 месяцев назад

    We learned, "don't by a Dodge," I think the cat was out of the bag when they changed the name to RAM from Dodge Ram. I still call them Dodge. Great content.

  • @mikeb1
    @mikeb1 Год назад +2

    Maybe a simple diagnostics job for you Wes, but for us amateurs who are usually doing a job like that for the first and only time it's really hard to find the knowledge you need. Engineers with your diagnostic ability and understanding are rare in the automotive service industry (at least they are here in the UK). Thanks also for the nice intro and outro music!

  • @FishFind3000
    @FishFind3000 Год назад +2

    30:00 I live by a field that farmed soy this year, I love all that fine dust that floated several hundred feet and got on all the cars.

  • @prestonfaust4267
    @prestonfaust4267 Год назад

    Love the Chrysler bingo and that little note! Thanks Wes

  • @donaldwilliams6821
    @donaldwilliams6821 Год назад +3

    Great video. I am glad you filmed it I wasn't aware of the TIPM issues.

  • @stevejohnstonbaugh9171
    @stevejohnstonbaugh9171 Год назад +7

    Great video as always Wes. I love watching you working and listening to your dialog. In this vid even your intro and outtake soundtrack was super terrific. Really sets you apart form the pack :)

    • @woodhonky3890
      @woodhonky3890 Год назад

      One of the things that set him apart from the pack is NOT having a soundtrack! I hope that was just an intermittent problem. I couldn't even hear the combine properly at the end.😁

  • @JimNichols
    @JimNichols Год назад

    I really miss the 11 million dollars in tools, the 18 hour days, the chasing of the magical electrical gremlins that dance in the wiring harnesses, the hands that will not come clean even with dawn dish soap, tide and sand scrubbing them, really I do.... and I am so glad I do not work on anything more complicated than a weed whacker now with a crescent wrench and a screwdriver as all the tools I now own. You are amazing with that sense of dry humor and acumen you have. You also have a huge repository of the sublime nonsense that creates the humor I love. Thanks man...

  • @bcbloc02
    @bcbloc02 Год назад +2

    Think I would have gone the add an external relay route if it was mine.

    • @jdmccorful
      @jdmccorful Год назад

      I was wondering, what would Brian say?

  • @robpeabo509
    @robpeabo509 Год назад +4

    having an easy diagnosis & repair must be good at times Wes. You deal with a some cruddy vehicles at times.

  • @jannearo328
    @jannearo328 Год назад +4

    Wes to the rescue!

  • @glenharper3136
    @glenharper3136 Год назад +1

    It's fun watching Wes Work!

  • @suzuki230
    @suzuki230 Год назад

    😂😂😂😂😂😂 the ending with the dodge bingo card. Great job!
    That truck does seem like a lemon.

  • @hotroddinwillie2364
    @hotroddinwillie2364 Год назад +8

    Wes you are a wealth of information and experience. I bought the astro nano sockets you used in the Audi vid. I love old Mopars, but yes the Rams have been awful since my 1998 I bought new. The dealers just bide their time blowing you off after they get your money until the warranty expires. Thankfully ram owners in your locale have you to help them. Well done!