Umm...Can The Old Hondas Make It??

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  • Опубликовано: 24 май 2011
  • May long weekend 2011, we head out to a new area this time to do some exploring on the Honda TRX 350s. After quite a distance down a trail, we come to a creek crossing where the road had been dug up. Rather than having to go all the way back around, we decide to give it a try!
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  • @aaronpicco3701
    @aaronpicco3701 5 лет назад +42

    People under estimate Hondas. Old or new, they are amazing wheelers and bikes

    • @hondathings5054
      @hondathings5054 4 года назад

      There was a kid that said my Suzuki ltf250 2wd 92 was a garbage bike I crawled through a huge mudhole and I can go everywhere my Honda can go Honda and Suzuki are my preferred bikes

    • @kboyer646
      @kboyer646 3 года назад +2

      Not me. I own a 2003 Fourtrax with manual shift. 17 yrs old and still runs like the day I bought it. Also have a 2018 500 Rubicon. Back in the day had a 1980 CT70, 1990 XR200 and 1991 CR125. Honda’s are the best. Never had any problems whatsoever with any of these machines!🤘🏼

    • @Mixwell1983
      @Mixwell1983 3 года назад +2

      I don't think anyone actually under estimates Hondas, if anything they're known to be rugged and one of the most reliable ATVs

    • @elijahtrammell8159
      @elijahtrammell8159 3 года назад

      Amen brother I got a 2002 honda recon 250 ol gurl still got it🤣🤣🤣

    • @joshuadykes3347
      @joshuadykes3347 3 года назад +1

      Hondas are amazing wheelers and everything,ive put mine through stuff and never had a problem.

  • @pyeody9070
    @pyeody9070 2 года назад +4

    Riding is all about getting through these situations and reflecting on how you handled it. Nice bikes!

  • @chasekilpatrick7080
    @chasekilpatrick7080 4 года назад +40

    Y’all made way to big of a deal out of that😂

    • @fres2death469
      @fres2death469 4 года назад +1

      If there was a time i wanted to jump on a bike and show someone what these bikes are capable of. It was in this video😂

    • @2ATVSANDOURLIFE
      @2ATVSANDOURLIFE 4 года назад +1

      Being too careful can get you in trouble, so will be too dramatic. If my husband would've kept talking to me I would've threw rocks at him and shut him up lol

    • @Jtnolan09
      @Jtnolan09 2 года назад

      Ikr

    • @jonesfarm6501
      @jonesfarm6501 2 года назад

      First there’s trees in it

    • @michaelcrider8413
      @michaelcrider8413 2 года назад +1

      Yup. Those old hondas will go to unreal places. With the right operator.

  • @blaserjet
    @blaserjet 3 года назад +12

    Who else got this video recommended 9 years later?

  • @mudpuppy318
    @mudpuppy318 4 года назад +10

    Everyone is talking about full sending it, you guys did just fine. Go slow and steady, just like you did and you still got across just fine and machines are still in one piece. Not everyone can afford to rebuild their machine every weekend.

  • @321.landon
    @321.landon 4 года назад +5

    I was 5 years old and at Disney Land at the time this came out. Now I'm 14 sitting at home bored. Life flys by quick

  • @BeardsAndBowsOutdoors
    @BeardsAndBowsOutdoors 4 года назад +10

    "Pretty greasy julian" 😂😂

    • @goshnodo
      @goshnodo 4 года назад

      I'm italian.

  • @gtbowhunter9086
    @gtbowhunter9086 4 года назад +6

    Keep practicing and riding guys!

  • @jaycemoto4272
    @jaycemoto4272 7 лет назад +4

    my friend has a 1983 Chinese ATV and it still find like a champ

  • @terryedmond4492
    @terryedmond4492 4 года назад +16

    If you're not going to throw some logs, rocks, or boards to drive over, then I got one word of advice - momentum!

  • @dansmith4349
    @dansmith4349 8 лет назад +2

    cool vid . That's the way I like to explore. See an obstacle and find the easy way around or through if you have too. I never been one to punch it and HOPE for the best. Any fool can beat their horse (atv), but if you want them to bring you back you have to treat them nice.

  • @livingwithghost372
    @livingwithghost372 4 года назад +13

    Them old 350s are tuff any 300 to 450 older Honda's are tough and better than any newer ones out my opinion.

  • @ponypwr
    @ponypwr 4 года назад +12

    Should have went in to the left where the other tire tracks were.....

  • @hamptonadam
    @hamptonadam 9 лет назад +2

    It's nice seeing someone actually try to take care of their rigs and ride safe. Personally, I like to ride slow and steady. Makes the wheeler last a lot longer! LOL

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  9 лет назад

      We agree Seth! We have to fix our own stuff and if it's broken down then it cuts into our riding time LOL Thanks for checking out the video!

    • @hamptonadam
      @hamptonadam 9 лет назад

      ***** Yep, me too. I can only afford one new machine once in a long while. Seems like some of these folks are made of money based on how they treat their rides. I can't afford to go breaking stuff all the time. Where are yall located at? I live in AK. This looks like some of the places we like to ride.

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  9 лет назад

      Seth Hampton We live and ride in Northwestern Ontario in Canada. Cool to hear about similar riding terrain!

    • @TheBossGuy1
      @TheBossGuy1 9 лет назад

      yea unfortunetly i probably dont take good care of mine, i probably would have tryed jumping that creek but then again mine is a 300ex which is a racing quad

    • @landonkellom275
      @landonkellom275 9 лет назад

      I ride hard but i still take care of my stuff cause thats basecly all i have i ride slow and fast to look for deers i look back to make sure people behind me are still there

  • @GreenVVolF
    @GreenVVolF 10 лет назад

    my god man. When you started going back and the cam went under water, it knocked the wind out of me too. Glad you didn't get seriously hurt, awesome vids man. I'm hooked.

  • @benemery1644
    @benemery1644 8 лет назад +3

    "It's pretty greasy, Julian," lmao. Grea-ea-ea-easy!

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  8 лет назад +1

      LOL, It sure was, thanks for watching!

  • @xhumeka
    @xhumeka 13 лет назад +1

    as bubbles would say, "My God that's greasy!!!" lmao, I loved your trailer park boys quote thrown in there :)

  • @lumpskie
    @lumpskie 3 года назад +1

    What a fun way to spend a weekend. Videos always make things look waaay easier than in person... and that looked steep! Good job using throttle and winch rather than "sending it".

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  3 года назад +2

      Thanks 👍 We don't ride on organized trails so never know what is "under" the water....if we break them we have to fix them so tend to be a little more cautious!

  • @easypete975
    @easypete975 4 года назад +7

    Really can't stop these thing when there in 1st gear..

  • @cornwasher
    @cornwasher 4 года назад +4

    You could look down in that creek and see the logs that would give you trouble and they did.

  • @zachmcintosh641
    @zachmcintosh641 3 года назад +17

    who else is hear in the pandemic

  • @danielalanrobinson
    @danielalanrobinson 11 лет назад

    Gotta love a good day out on the trails with the wife. You guys did great.

  • @propeller___
    @propeller___ 5 лет назад +7

    i am thoroughly convinced i could get across that first try

    • @SurviventheOnslaught
      @SurviventheOnslaught 5 лет назад

      when you drop the front in the drink , get on her and then hit her hard to keep from getting stuck

  • @stinsane
    @stinsane 10 лет назад

    Man, those 4wheelers are tough! My grandpa had a '96 FourTrax350, that thing could literally go anywhere.

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  10 лет назад

      They sure are tough! Just keep on ticking! Thanks for watching.

  • @gunsnrods4469
    @gunsnrods4469 7 лет назад +1

    1985 Honda 4trx 350, 3" lift, 32" mud litres, snorkelled out. Goes anywhere and everywhere. Aka the tank of all bikes.
    1993 Honda 4trx 300, bone stock. Still goes more places than most 500's. gotta love Hondas, you can leave them stock or mod them, they will still go places. ❤️

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  7 лет назад +2

      Honda's are great ATV's, go anywhere like you said!

  • @dannycleaveland9816
    @dannycleaveland9816 5 лет назад +4

    I drove my '05 Rincon over a 4 foot bolder I had to make a ramp from rocks, after a hour of road building I got over the rock fall, No water to land in, just a 50 foot ledge and certain death. But ya, cool guys. I need a Gopro...

  • @cubbeezx
    @cubbeezx  10 лет назад +1

    Thanks for watching and glad you enjoy the vids....yeah glad me and the quad didn't have any major damage....

  • @mathcrafter6108
    @mathcrafter6108 4 года назад +14

    Are you kidding any Honda can make it it’s a Honda

    • @kaidenrodgers6715
      @kaidenrodgers6715 3 года назад

      Lol

    • @saucyboyfrm5018
      @saucyboyfrm5018 3 года назад

      They slow but reliable

    • @Uniiiiii
      @Uniiiiii 3 года назад

      @@saucyboyfrm5018 i seen a dude outrun a cop with a stock honda 😬

    • @Uniiiiii
      @Uniiiiii 3 года назад

      @@saucyboyfrm5018 but yea, i do agree

    • @ltdan6466
      @ltdan6466 3 года назад

      @@Uniiiiii cops are pretty easy to run from on any fourwheeler lol

  • @Mattbr02
    @Mattbr02 11 лет назад

    Well crossing that river looked like fun to me wish I could try it.Besides your videos are awesome cubbeezx cant wait for the next one since I have now watched all the other ones you have posted on here including the great funny dog videos of old Jethro and Oliver.

  • @SuperHeroHardy
    @SuperHeroHardy 7 лет назад

    Y'all Made it! Fun to watch! :-) Big Howdy from Texas!

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  7 лет назад

      Thanks for checking out the video Scott!

  • @RaySarasin
    @RaySarasin 3 года назад +2

    One thing i noticed is when i winch i am in neutral , let the winch do the work. I am sure my 400 4 by 4 Suzuki with a winch and mudders tires. From my experience you must use full throttle. ALSO THE LAST TIME WATER WAS VERY HIGH At that point i would have backed out. I do not like water above the foot rests.

  • @jasongilliland9508
    @jasongilliland9508 10 месяцев назад

    Good thing you guys got two of them. You could really get through anything that way.

  • @XXX_DODSON_XXX
    @XXX_DODSON_XXX 4 года назад +8

    you gotta full on send that shit

  • @ninetwo-iv5sb
    @ninetwo-iv5sb 5 лет назад +8

    The old Honda’s are built like bricks. I have a 1989 Honda fourtrax 350 and the things pretty bulletproof so they can make it for sure

  • @larrysledgejr1280
    @larrysledgejr1280 7 лет назад +3

    i got a 1984 atc200s . itook it through deep mud like 3 feet deep and the honda went right through it.

  • @FordRanger-ih9wq
    @FordRanger-ih9wq 6 лет назад +10

    Honda’s are beasts

  • @akrocuba
    @akrocuba 4 года назад +2

    Before I even watch this vid I would like to say that I have a 1985 250SX trike and I go everywhere that my buddies go with their new side-bys and quads.
    Great vid. Yeah, creeks/rivers can be deceiving sometimes. But with two machines, you overcome almost anything.
    Personally, I would have floored it and DAMN THE TORPEDOES!! ....LOL.....But I'm an ass who had many accidents and destroyed many dirt bikes and machines over the years....LOL
    Keep riding!!!

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for stopping by and checking out the video. Your trike sounds like a blast! We never know what is in the bottom of these creeks - let alone know how deep they are so always take it cautiously. Still have a good time!

  • @nicholasclinesmith1490
    @nicholasclinesmith1490 6 лет назад +7

    lol you got a winch and nothing to worry about... i coulda done that on my honda 90 2wd...

  • @samanthabohn4714
    @samanthabohn4714 6 лет назад

    I’ve got one just like that, with a little speed it’s got no problem

  • @christopherallen9615
    @christopherallen9615 5 лет назад +9

    Bless your hearts

  • @banderz5147
    @banderz5147 6 лет назад +5

    Love the trailer park boys reference

  • @RTOutdoors
    @RTOutdoors 3 года назад

    Wow just realized you have over 1.3 million views on this one. Hope you’re continuing to feel better, Cubbee.

  • @crabtrap
    @crabtrap 2 года назад +2

    this was an easy 'obstacle'. also try not over inflating the tires....they had zero 'bite' becuase you had them rock solid overinflated

  • @northcountrycoins9877
    @northcountrycoins9877 2 года назад +1

    I also have a 86 fourtrax.. built like tanks!

  • @AmotorB
    @AmotorB 10 лет назад

    ''Its temping us'' I get that feeling every time I cross my creek with my Honda recon ES

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  10 лет назад

      LOL...Thanks for watching and commenting Aaron. Nice Ride!

  • @quadrider3013
    @quadrider3013 5 лет назад +11

    are u kidding me??? the question is .... can the new honda’s make it

  • @mjethier
    @mjethier 8 лет назад +1

    damn, not one but TWO old Hondas! nostalgia at its finest!

    • @shawngauthier3929
      @shawngauthier3929 7 лет назад

      89 300 fourtrax. ..All original mint and still climbs, plows, etc.

  • @BrapStuff
    @BrapStuff 6 лет назад +1

    Great video thank you for sharing!

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  6 лет назад

      Thanks for watching!

  • @fres2death469
    @fres2death469 4 года назад +13

    Slam that throttle and lean back
    Commit or dont. Never in between
    MOMENTUM

  • @tazztower44
    @tazztower44 12 лет назад

    lol..they can be very shy at times..just subbed to your channel..keep up the great work..

  • @lloydnielsen8035
    @lloydnielsen8035 5 лет назад +7

    Beautiful old Honda.

    • @chadanderson2486
      @chadanderson2486 5 лет назад +1

      Yea, it ain't the Hondas fault these cannooks cant ride!!!! Jeez!!!

    • @chadanderson2486
      @chadanderson2486 5 лет назад +1

      I guess momentum is different up north!!!

  • @cdawg4391
    @cdawg4391 12 лет назад

    good video. Nice job winching. I don't know how many other atvs would've gotten over that one.

  • @mandarkman2171
    @mandarkman2171 3 года назад +10

    Just send it dude

  • @nostuckmarc8682
    @nostuckmarc8682 10 лет назад +1

    ok at 1:55 ish made me jump out of my chair to help . glad all was good .

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  10 лет назад

      Thanks, we could have used the extra hands! LOL Appreicate you checking us out.

  • @garyburbank8895
    @garyburbank8895 4 года назад +6

    Last time i saw your videos you had the snowmobile and the Honda three wheeler

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  4 года назад +1

      We still have an old honda 4 wheeler and an old Yamaha Enticer sled

  • @innbuddy6186
    @innbuddy6186 6 лет назад +6

    I have a 1999 honda fourtrax 300 4x4 with mudlite tires and it goes anywhere

    • @ronnieromero7604
      @ronnieromero7604 6 лет назад

      inn buddy ive got the same bike same tires in fact my front tires have hardly any tread and i never been not able to get outta what i got into yet. The other day i was about 2 1/2ft deep in a whole very mucky shit and i was a little scared as it took a good 15 mins to get out and i was alone no winch about 5 miles from town lol

  • @carboncubss
    @carboncubss 12 лет назад

    "Guess were going back" should not be a thought when riding a quad....but then again...you are in the middle of nowhere, but then again your not by yourself either ;o) Also a few more logs on the water would have help loads or remove a few...still looks like fun! Thanks for sharing.

  • @jeb721
    @jeb721 11 лет назад

    Dude sweet Vid. Im up in Yellowknife and I am looking for an ATV.
    I love those old hondas. I drove a fourwheeler for the first time when I was 10 on one of those.

  • @carboncubss
    @carboncubss 12 лет назад

    "Guess were going back" should not be a thought when riding a quad....but then again...you are in the middle of nowhere, but then again your not by yourself either ;o) Also a few more logs on the water would have help loads...still looks like fun! Thanks for sharing.

  • @ruyguy8888
    @ruyguy8888 11 лет назад

    Yeah they are!. No idea what this one will be called, but i'm pretty sure there will be a whole lotta funny stuff being smoked lol. Cameras started to rolling in late March. I used to go to the set after shooting. Its neat to see a whole film crew drive through parts of the city.

  • @slapoutz
    @slapoutz 11 лет назад

    i use a strap i dont hook to racks either. on my forewheeler i got a strap tied in the front and back both hooked to the frame so if i have to pull someone out or if they have to pull me out.

  • @theawesome126
    @theawesome126 8 лет назад +2

    My old 1992 Honda doesn't want to quit and still goes faster than my dad's 2015 and I have to run straight Lucas oil😂

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  8 лет назад +1

      Those Honda's are tough aren't they! Still have our 1986 Honda TRX 350

    • @EnthusiasticWalksInTheWoods
      @EnthusiasticWalksInTheWoods 8 лет назад

      Bulletproof is the word i use to describe my Honda. 1985 250sx still pops wheelies in the mud

  • @jhunley81
    @jhunley81 6 лет назад

    So much fun. Thanks for the video

  • @jameswisecarver
    @jameswisecarver 2 года назад +2

    Let's high center that sunk log....shoulda sent it

  • @adriansienko3619
    @adriansienko3619 3 года назад +1

    Yeah I have a 2004 Rancher 350 no issues and I have almost 4,000 miles

  • @blooddrunk1432
    @blooddrunk1432 9 лет назад

    had one 1991 ... Loved that bike !!

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  9 лет назад

      Yann HuLa They are one tough ATV!

  • @tacomafan7488
    @tacomafan7488 Год назад +1

    nice looking hondas!!!

  • @lloydnielsen8035
    @lloydnielsen8035 5 лет назад +6

    Honda’s rule!

  • @andybassham2369
    @andybassham2369 7 лет назад +1

    Basically drove right down there and high centered on a log that was directly in the path. Tire placement man.

  • @Penx100
    @Penx100 11 лет назад

    hey cubbeezx where is this trail it looks like fun

  • @eastamericantrains589
    @eastamericantrains589 6 лет назад +5

    What did we learn? Floor it!

  • @williamsnyder623
    @williamsnyder623 3 года назад +3

    You need get a big Polaris 800, and that walk through all your water holes.

    • @keeshull8964
      @keeshull8964 3 года назад +3

      Honda’s is better Polaris is trash

  • @amloobrador3519
    @amloobrador3519 6 лет назад +2

    what mean that battery on front rack? i know i have an 06 susuky eiger cross that creek so easy with a battery lawn mower to stater

    • @jacksonmcclelland69
      @jacksonmcclelland69 6 лет назад

      Faumer Contreras it’s not a battery it’s an ammo box i have a few, and there’s a fun on the back rack in that black thing

  • @quaddingsous
    @quaddingsous 11 лет назад

    72,000 views on this one! Awesome!! Gotta love those Cubster vids! Keep'em comin'!

  • @yveskc1
    @yveskc1 9 лет назад +3

    This is different from the Yamaha's isn't it... Great video! Thank you for sharing

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  9 лет назад +3

      yveskc1 This is going way back...Honda's were (and still are) great quads....we travelled a lot of places on them!

  • @whosnext2005
    @whosnext2005 10 лет назад

    Cool video I didn't know you drove Hondas before the Yamaha's. What made you change and did you have an odometer on the one Honda? I'm just curious about miles.

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  10 лет назад

      Thanks! Started on HOnda's, and we still have the 1986 Honda TRX 350! When we wanted to upgrade to modern rides we wanted power steering, diff lock and independent rear suspension. At the time Honda didn't have independent or diff lock..so our next choice was Yamahas. No the old girl doesn't have an odometer, but it has an hour meter. Can't remember what it says right now, but it has a lot! Tough as can be!

  • @tazztower44
    @tazztower44 12 лет назад

    love that camera..that hole does look tricky even on video..where was this filmed at?..looks like some prime moose area

  • @Jdog2fresh
    @Jdog2fresh 13 лет назад

    Lol thanks! But i have one more question.. Im restoring an 86 honda fourtrax 350, did you have to put alot of work into yours? Or has it always been that nice?

  • @masonsebrnn3297
    @masonsebrnn3297 3 года назад +6

    that is the nicest 350d ive ever seen

  • @8thehockeykid8
    @8thehockeykid8 12 лет назад

    Nice video dude! I subbed :)

  • @memyfamilyandmyfourwheeler8212
    @memyfamilyandmyfourwheeler8212 6 лет назад

    Cool video! It looks like it has been a bridge there a long time ago

  • @jakobiejustice6680
    @jakobiejustice6680 8 лет назад +1

    I've had a 98, 20,02, 04, 06, 86,&87 the 87 & 86 we're the best I ever owned

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  8 лет назад +1

      +Jakobie Justice WOW...you've had a lot of Honda's. They are great ATV's!

  • @johnlarson1891
    @johnlarson1891 4 года назад +4

    When in doubt wind it out

  • @Jdog2fresh
    @Jdog2fresh 13 лет назад

    Are those ITP mud lites on the 86?

  • @Jasonsfarm
    @Jasonsfarm 11 лет назад

    I'm with ya! I inherited an 88 Fourtrax300 from my grandpa. I use it to this day, it's never once broke down on the trail, and I've never gotten it stuck even in some hairy places. Oh, and did I mention that it gets twice the MPG's and keeps up with the big bad brand new monsters? Cheers :D

  • @JohnBobRoger
    @JohnBobRoger 12 лет назад

    Thanks Cubbeezx. Your cylinder is just a clever water container? Low profile and rather industrial? I like it. Would like to copy it. I'm new to ATVing. Was 2 wheeled since a young boy. Finally jumping in but want to stay small and low profile. The bigger bikes you might as well get a jeep. Tomorrow I pick up my new to me, 1996 Honda 300 Fourtrax FW Limited Edition. I'm out of my skull waiting to hit the trails up here in Northern Ontario. Cheers

  • @adventureswithfreddy4131
    @adventureswithfreddy4131 2 года назад

    I had my 1986 Honda floating through a creek an it made it through fine

  • @JohnBobRoger
    @JohnBobRoger 12 лет назад

    Did I see a black cylindrical tube fastened to one of the rear racks? What is that?
    Thanks

  • @waylongreger8158
    @waylongreger8158 8 лет назад +7

    I saw a much better line to take

  • @achrisofalltrades5620
    @achrisofalltrades5620 8 лет назад

    is this "rollover creek"??
    love your videos Cubbee

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  8 лет назад

      +the Eiger Advocate It sure is..good eye! Glad you enjoy the videos and thanks for watching!

  • @CURTISGRAVES
    @CURTISGRAVES 12 лет назад

    @cubbeezx how fast does it go? i have a raptor 660r and want a 4x4 for mudding and trail riding. do they have a decent top speed?

  • @MrYukon1997
    @MrYukon1997 10 лет назад

    Looks like my hondas!! Ihave an 86 350 4x4 & a 02 rancher.

  • @dirtbikepowerweldingawesom755
    @dirtbikepowerweldingawesom755 8 лет назад

    Can you make a full part restoration if you ever get another old honda

    • @cubbeezx
      @cubbeezx  8 лет назад

      WE still have our 1986 Honda TRX 350..if we ever do a restoration on it I'm sure we would document it.

  • @Nash1a
    @Nash1a 4 года назад +2

    See, I look at this and wonder how I would get back across it. I would have turned around mostly because I ride alone and can't take a chance like that.

  • @Neil1014M
    @Neil1014M 12 лет назад

    where did you get the bracket for the GPS

  • @deanvigna7519
    @deanvigna7519 4 года назад +12

    Go slow? That’s how people roll them my friend. Gotta plan ahead and ride through it.

  • @robertcastleberry5108
    @robertcastleberry5108 4 года назад +2

    it was shallower 10ft to the left.

  • @scottarron1218
    @scottarron1218 11 лет назад

    Are the mudlites the AT or the XL version

  • @onewyatt1
    @onewyatt1 11 лет назад

    Been using Honda's for 40 years. Never had a motor problem and very little problem with the rest of anything. 300 fourtrax 2X4 is all I need where I am or anywhere I will likely go. I can see having something bigger in Wyoming or someplace but I personally wouldn't waist the money for a larger ATV. Aways had more fun on the smaller equipment anyway. Can max out without getting hurt as bad.

  • @stevenrichey5068
    @stevenrichey5068 5 лет назад +5

    My how time changes things....... :)