I have been waiting for this. Glad to hear that it is headed our way. I use AV1 encoding on my Arc380 and love the quality and low overall overhead on my PC. Streaming AV1 is going to be a game changer for sure. Downside is that I game in 1080p so no 4k streaming, but I do upscale my recordings to 4k from 1080p using AV1 encoding in Davinci Resolve and the results are unbelievable.
@@EposVox Do I need to adjust my bitrate to do that? I currently record at 25Mbps CBR. I know that is high for 1080, but I have found that @ 1080/60 25Mbps gives a better quality than 12Mbps or lower. Unless I'm missing something.
@@EposVox ideally yeah, but CQP for quicksync AV1 is bugged in the current patch. Until it's patched it's better to overshoot on CBR, then edit it down.
Yesterday I have tested stream with 1080p upscaling it to AV1 1440p 60fps only @ CBR 12000mbps and stream looks much better than my previous one which was h264 1080p 60fps. The benefit of upscaling is due forcing yt to use vp9 codec. At same time I was also streaming to my friend over discord also with AV1 1080p 60fps and he said it was much better quality than x265.
I doubt they are too keen on investing in the transcoding hardware. And source streaming AV1 is still basically a no go at this point due to limited decoding support on devices most commonly used for viewing
What im most interested in is 120fps for streaming. you can have a "watchable" 1080p 120fps stream with intel QSV from OBS in twitch in some games, but imagine how it could be with AV1. Or if youtube supported 120fps now that it supports AV1. Hope there is twitch support soon or a 120fps option soon for youtube :d
Twitch supports 120 fps. I stream at 720p120fps and my friend does the same. It works. In settings it says it's 720p60 but it really is 720p120. But you have to use Source quality. It also got huge benefits for RUclips because when you upload you original 120 fps file to RUclips, video gonna be slightly smoother than when uploading typical 60 fps file - youtube encoding is more consistent when it works with more frames even though you end up with 60 fps in the end.
It's finally happening! I've been waiting for this since dedicated GPU AV1 encoding support was announced and have been loving every minute of using OBS to record in AV1 on my Nvidia GPU. It really is as you said a game changer, and will completely reshape the way content is streamed moving forward. Thank you for covering this.
Half a year ago Nvidia announced the AV1 encoder and advertised you could get better streaming quality on Twitch. Kinda funny that RUclips beat them to it.
Just upgraded to an rtx 4070 this morning solely because of your av1 videos.appreciate it because there's not a ton of youtubers doing a ton of content covering av1 like you have
Hey Max, What settings are you running for your OBS? I just got mine and I'm having issues finding the correct settings as I play 1080p but apparently, it is not recommended...
Curious if you could answer this question. I am on a 38in ultrawide 3840x1600. When I record native and upload youtube recognizes the video as 4k60 and is in UW. When I stream in AV1 and stream base resolution of 3840x1600, youtube recognizes it as only 1440p60. Why would it recognize the two as different and is there a way to stream and get the 4k option for viewers, with the base 3840x1600 res. Thanks.
if IRL streams are already great at 1080p 30 fps 6000 Mbps with HEVEC, imagine how good this is going to be reducing bandwidth and sending even better image!!
Or the mobile carriers/ISPs use these bandwidth savings and delay further infrastructure upgrades and throttle their users, so everything basically stays the same ;)
finally after all this years we get to see it and use it very soon, thanks for every test, news and making videos about it, soo happy to see streaming get to next level, Questions : Do you think we might stream and upload videos 120 fps because of Av1 on youtube if it goes live for everyone ? If we can do it on youtube is that mean twitch will support it soon since there are now some streamers streaming 1440p/1080p with 120 fps with the H264 encoder?
RUclips's player doesnt support 120 right now sadly. On Twitch you can already stream in 120 it just looks bad. AV1 support on Twitch will be a game changer in that regard if they ever get around ti it
@@TeaOS 120 will do changes if they have support for normal videos, how about streaming that's bad for them, , but will see if they goin to add it in the future still excited for twitch if they support 120 this year
Great vid but honestly it’s extremely hard to see the difference in compression quality between codecs when the bit rate is so high. If you dropped it to like 1Mbps there would be a DRAMATIC difference between x264 and av1
Should also note, this same OBS 29.1 update is also going to (potentially, based on what i saw in the PR) open up HEVC streaming to youtube as well. So, anyone not looking to upgrade their card or get a secondary one will also be able to stream better quality with lower bandwidth as well.
That's correct, enhanced rtmp also supports HEVC streaming. But you can actually stream HEVC to RUclips already using the HLS protocol. Select RUclips HLS in the OBS streaming tab and it will become available.
Is it true that if you put something like 15-20k as bitrate that some of your viewers won't be able to watch the stream due to their poor internet connection?
Nope, RUclips transcodes all your streams to a format viewers can watch. If they can’t watch the max resolution option, they can select a lower quality
I'm curious. Do you have a video or any data on how big of a difference there is between AV1 and HEVC with the current encoders that are available? I can't find any recent tests or maybe I'm just bad at searching 😅 AV1 IS HERE TO STAY THO! SO HYPED TO SEE IT GETTING CLOSER TO MASS AVAILABILITY!🎉🎉🎉🎉
LTT covered AV1 on Arc a while back at launch. They, like others, mostly compared AV1 vs H264. But they had one side by side with AV1 vs HEVC and it was basically the same. That’s only one test, and if I remember right it was a fairly high bitrate so it wouldnt really push AV1 or HEVC to its limits. But they said most of the advantage with AV1 is easier adoption by the platforms.
@@MoChuang343 Yeah I don't doubt that AV1 is easier considering it's royalty-free and open source. I'm just curious on how much I'm "giving up on" by using HEVC, since I don't have a GPU with hardware AV1 encoder. Such an exciting time for tech and streaming :D
@@TheStanleyFTW I also only have HEVC and from what I can see is good enough. Linus compared 1080p60 8mbps HEVC and AV1 and they were basically identical and way better than h264. Would AV1 be better than HEVC at 4mbps? Idk…but HEVC is good enough for 1440p60 at 8mbps in Halo with YT VP9 compression being the limiting factor. That’s good enough for me…
if the second pc is only for streaming might be worth to sell the rtx 3070 and pick up a arc. the arc is going to do alot worse for gaming compared to the rtx 3070, only place I can think of it winning is encoding. I personally wouldn't make the switch yet
I already own a high end GPU but would love to try AV1 streaming. Have you tried using an Intel ARC card as a secondary GPU, running the game on an Nvidia or AMD GPU, and encoding with the Intel card? I'm guessing it's theoretically possible, but i wonder if having Intel ARC control center installed alongside Nvidia Control Panel or AMD's software would cause problems, and if sending the frame buffer from the main GPU to the secondary GPU for encoding would cause performance issues? Thanks EpoxVox, your content is amazing.
Yeah MSI apparently launched a LP A380 with no power pin in China. Would be a sick budget encoding machine. Like an i5-7500 optiplex with an LP A380 for like $200!
I've been recording using HEVC for a while now, and I can't wait to be able to use it for streaming as well. I tried it a bit with HLS and the quality is very impressive, but unfortunately the delay with HLS is massive. I would love to see a video testing out having an NVIDIA 3000 series GPU and one of those Intel ARC GPUs in a single computer, to see what kind of performance and quality you could expect from adding ARC cards just for encoding.
RUclips stream latency is based on resolution. At 4K it’s like 25s. But for 1440p it’s only 5-7s. 1080p is around 2s. I think 1440p is the sweet spot as 5s delay isn’t terrible and getting VP9 transcoding does wonders for quality. TLDR 1440p 60fps HEVC HLS -> VP9 only has a ~5s delay and looks great.
@@MoChuang343 yea because with 1080p you are able to use "Ultra low-latency" setting. With 1440p that isn't available. When I was trying HEVC HLS I was getting ~20 second delay on my 1440p stream, but maybe there was something else going on, need to try it again. Edit: Tried it again. 1440p 60fps stream with RTMP had a 7-second delay. With the same resolution and FPS, HLS had a 14-second delay. You don't even get to choose the delay with HLS like with RTMP, so it is what you get.
@@Nilvarcus I know it do this wrong but it works. Setup an RTMP stream key in RUclips and use it in OBS abut with the HLS protocol. See what that does to your latency.
@@MoChuang343 I tried this and it definitely improved latency, but caused other issues. It was working great for about an hour, and then started doing weird things. Now I tested with OBS 29.1 beta build and streaming with HEVC works perfectly without any added delay.
Did you try any games that have lots of foliage? this has always been one of the biggest issues with streaming games that have a ton of foliage we know it looks like crap on live stream so does av1 help with this a lot?
Intel, please help make Arc A310/A350 no-connector style slim GPUs available as an add-in AV1 encoding card LOL. It sucks having a 3080(Ti) because it's great in everything (especially at 1080p) but SVT-AV1 on my 5800X is a little funny though usable for recording with core lassoing at 720p30 at 3.5mbps or 1080p30fps. Way better quality than H264 but that CPU limitation is so sad at times. Oh well, maybe I'll get a 7950X3D and have 6-8 cores on the high clock dedicated to SVT-OBS at preset 6, ideally with future updates to it. PCIE extenders are kinda pricey and hopefully bifurcation works, but yeah power supply upgrade time I suppose if I want to go dual-GPU, since I don't see a "Sell 3080ti grab 4070ti for $600" path
@@EposVox Because some people see 2 generations as old, is there even a loosely defined line on what CPU's can do it? Was just curious if there are some tests done on that, couldn't find anything my self.
how come i don't have the option of AV1 youtube streaming on OBS Studio??? i only have the option for AMD HW AV1 for OBS recording on my high-end rx7900xtx video card...
amazing to see people exited for such quality at 6, 11 or 15mbps. those are very high bitrates for "well / properly" encoded content. I see more improvement on ISP speeds than compression.
Wait WHAT! @EposVox. Ya need to explain how to add an ARC Card into your main Gaming Rig to use the Arc Card as a Dec Streaming Card. I thought using two GPUS is bad as it cuts down the Express Lanes used on both your Gaming GPU and Streaming GPU. I thought it is always better to just do Dual PCS for streaming / Recording
I wondered when we were finally gonna get AV1 streaming! I wanted to test it myself and built that pull request but I didn't have the AV1 option on my A750 for streaming so I'll just wait because building binaries on Windows is a nightmare lol I'm very much a stickler for quality and one of the reasons I never like streaming to Twitch is lack of transcoding for nobodies like myself and the bitrate cap (I know it's very expensive, but maybe Amazon doesn't give Twitch enough resources or they're that out of touch, who knows...). RUclips is definitely ahead of the curve here letting anyone stream how they personally see fit!
My RTX 4080 is ready to jump into my dedicated stream PC instead old trusty 1660 super... I am streaming in 1440p for YEARS now.... and I really hope I can improove further my stream video sharpness and quality overall while pushing approx 25000 bitrate (for 1440p) on my OBS...
New to av1 so bare with me. If I wanted to do a 2 pc set up & game on my 3080 then encode/stream on an Intel gpu. That would be possible here in the future?
How's the delay when streaming AV1 to RUclips? No doubt it's a beefier codec for YT to transcode to VP9, the delay between what's live and your chat activity could be problematic if it's too long. This was a big reason some avoided 4K streaming even when RUclips supported it.
My #1 most important thing regarding AV1 right now is decoding speed for fast editing. I'm stuck on wack H264 and have been desperately trying to switch to something that's faster to work with. Is AV1 the right move regarding that?
So if I am understanding this correctly when this OBS beta is released only an Intel ARC GPU will be able to livestream to RUclips via AV1 and not a gpu such as a 4090?
is there a potential quality difference for uploading with nvenc hevc with the new 29.1 beta 4 update? I have a GTX 1660 and I've been waiting for the next big step in quality for an upgrade path. Turing's NVENC was a step up from previous generations, is NVIDIA's AV1 on the 40xx series also an NVENC implementation? The a770 16gb is a tempting upgrade path as there's been several major performance improvements with driver revisions and my b450 and 5800x3d support re-bar so I shouldn't have any performance issues with it. I'm probably going to mess around with hevc nvenc in the meantime.
I realize this is an Intel sponsored video, but will the AV1 streaming be possible for nvidia RTX 30 series? If yes, then would it be viable to both stream and play video games on the same GPU, just like we do with NVENC right now?
i can't get quicksync to work in OBS. the error message always shows that it is unavailable. do I have to plug a monitor into the card or something? I have the Intel ARC drivers installed. I have an nvidia 3000 card as my main and secondary monitors.
I'm less interested in the improvements at high quality and bitrates and more excited about the possible new streamers that can get into the game at low bitrates who may not have been able to stream at all before due to slow internet.
Thank you for this man. This is amazing! I have a 6600 non xt. My internet upload speed is 8.5mbps what should I set my bitrate on OBS? I currently use 4500bitrate and play at 720p or 1080p
Could you add some H.265 comparators in a future video? For content archival, I’d love to know if Intel’s hardware AV1 is beating X265 medium or slow yet.
Amazing...Finally!!. Lets hope its not 6 months for release to public. Was the 4k60 stream on a 1 PC setup Epos? What was your actual frame rate (did you lock to 60 for smoother stream)?
@EposVox Thanks for the great content! Is there a performance difference in AV1 encoding when comparing the RTX 4000 series cards vs the new Intel cards? Can I buy just a vanilla 4070 or would an extra spend on a 4080 be with it? This is for a dedicated streaming box.
This is so exciting! Is anyone familiar with any open source libraries for implementing enhance RTMP on the server side that doesn't require I implement the spec directly? I couldn't find any.
Soon, it'll be time for me to save up for a second ARC GPU just for AV1 encoding? I use a 3070 ti and it works well for all my game needs, but some games struggle streaming and playing at same time (cough ARK Survival)
How would the Arc cards handle streaming + local recording at the same time with different bit rates, so actual two encodings at the same time. I might have to check reviews to see how it works vs. Nvidia's stuff in Adobe Media Encoder now that we might get a 4060 (which will probably be a lot more expensive than the Arc cards).
I am streaming with XSplit and Arc750, but whenever I try to stream QuickSync AV1 to RUclips, I get an error. RUclips doesn’t accept it, also I can’t find rtmp+ in the stream settings. Did I miss something? Is this not live yet?
XSplit probably doesn’t have updated RTMP support yet lol The build for OBS doesn’t even release until tomorrow and I’ve not heard of XSplit’s plans to implement it. Stuff was basically just finalized this week
Ironically Tom's Hardware found Arc's H265 slightly better than Arc's AV1. (Article by Jarred Walton, March 9 2023.) Within a % or two, but still consistently better. (Caveat: The Tom's Hardware results seem surprising IMO, I thought AV1 would always beat H265, so I'd be curious to see other reviewers try it and see if they get different results than Jarred W got.) So for all the AV1 hype, and focused hard on intel as the first adopter, I don't think we expected RUclips to accept HEVC and AV1 on the exact same day for live streaming, nor did we expect H265 to still be relevant after AV1 was accepted, but here we are. (Again, according to Tom's Hardware.) ... LONG COMMENT, FEEL FREE TO SKIP THE REST, I RAMBLED A BIT. Sorry for the essay, lol. My more detailed interpretation of the VMAF results in that article: NVidia's AV1 was the best codec on the market right now, in his tests using FFmpeg directly, by usually at least a point or two of VMAF over any competing brand or codec. Followed by Arc H265 and NVidia H265 basically tied. (For H264, again Arc/NVidia H264 were basically tied.) (AMD was behind for any given codec, but if you're for sure going with AMD, then on AMD hardware, the best codecs in order were AV1 > H265 > H264. And AMD 7000 series is stronger than AMD 6000, apparently.) Also: Intel iGPU was surprisingly strong in the H264 and H265 it was capable of outputting, beating AMD at least, but not as good as Arc or NVidia dGPUs usually. Occasionally Intel iGPU H265 could tie or beat NVidia H265, but it never beat Arc H265. I'd say AV1 appears to help AMD and NVidia the most, whereas Intel ironically shines most in H265. Arc AV1 is still baller tho. But my point is: If you've already got the hardware in hand, why not use the best codec your hardware can do? I think for Arc (per Tom's Hardware results) that "best codec" is lookin' like H265 for Arc right now, in mid 2023. P.S. I love open, royalty-free standards, I love open-source software, the ethos, etc. I want AV1 and AOMedia to win this fight. Hands down. But for RUclips where the stream is getting re-encoded immediately server-side, what difference does it make to me hypothetically as a content creator, or to my hypothetical viewers? Twitch is a different story, but they are H264 only right now, so it's moot (for now). And for my personal use (recordings), again I'm less ideological. If it works and is efficient, I'll record in that format. Sharing files maybe it starts to matter to the ecosystem so I'll consider AV1 even if VMAF takes 1 or 2 points hit. Otherwise, where the ecosystem isn't much affected by it, and AV1 is there as a fallback option to keep MPEG from pulling too much major shenanigans, I just want quality-per-bitrate efficiency, and not much else matters. (And on NVidia or AMD I would use AV1 no question, so AV1 is surely a blessing to the ecosystem already for those brands.) ... It's just funny that the intel+AV1 hype is so big when Intel's actual encoder implementation *maybe* (?) favors H265.
That report is very good, but I feel that there is a lack of more researchers, and that they publish more conclusions with the same comparative tests, although personally that in Intel ARC av1 with h265 Arc ..., they are almost the same but the advantage of av1 is that you can use a 40% lower bitrate (from h265) with same quality results
Im a bit of a noob on this. I have a 4070 ti. Am i able to stream using av1 to youtube if so what codec to i select? Hvec? or are we still waiting for the nvidia av1 streaming codec? Sorry if the question is dumb
How well does the encorder do if the arc isn't in a 16x slot? Watching Linus daily drive arc and seeing so many inconsistencies for just gaming; I am wondering if it would be worth putting it in a suboptimal slot as just an encoding card. Granted I don't use ray tracing so I use my tensor cores for encoding only but if AV1 is that much better what is the prospect of just arc for encoding.
@@EposVox I am just thinking about value for casual streams; which I believe would be a no until twitch rolls out AV1 acceptance at arc's current price.
@@EposVox did you maybe test if with the new ryzen 7000 boards, which have a dedicated PCIe x16 and PCIe x4 slot connected to CPU(some asrock b650 boards like livemixer), main GPU still suffer degraded performance when using second card just for encoding?
So can the arc GPU be used as a capture card while using a separate GPU as the gaming card? I have a 5700 XT and I'm interested in AV1, not necessarily for live streaming yet, but for recording and posting on RUclips. Will this be if any use for my case in particular?
This is how I use two GPUs - a Radeon 6900 XT for gaming and a GeForce 3050 for image encoding using NVENC. It works great, the frame buffer flies over PCI-E flawlessly with minimal load on the platform. If Intel hasn't blocked anything hardware-wise, it should also work with Arc on OBS
I realize that this is a sponsored stream, and I am respectful of that, but does this new prerelease version of OBS support streaming to youtube in av1 using other manufacturer's hardware av1 encoders as well (amd/nvenc?) Also, I have personally tooted the horn of people who don't wish to upgrade their gpus right now to possibly pick up an a320 for av1 encoding for primary recording / archiving as well as they are INCREDIBLY inexpensive (i've seen them as low as $120 recently), AND can easily serve as a method of getting additional secondary display outputs for larger multimonitor setups (so your primary display and maybe something like a vr headset or something gets plugged into your primary gpu, and your secondary displays can get plugged into the arc card). just remember to use your tertiary pcie slot (not the secondary) or you risk halving the potential bandwidth to your primary gpu)
what’s the other shooter Game he is showing here besides Halo? Game looks interesting
Splitgate!
@@EposVox thanks King 👑
I have been waiting for this. Glad to hear that it is headed our way. I use AV1 encoding on my Arc380 and love the quality and low overall overhead on my PC. Streaming AV1 is going to be a game changer for sure. Downside is that I game in 1080p so no 4k streaming, but I do upscale my recordings to 4k from 1080p using AV1 encoding in Davinci Resolve and the results are unbelievable.
You could upscale within OBS and save a step!
@@EposVox Do I need to adjust my bitrate to do that? I currently record at 25Mbps CBR. I know that is high for 1080, but I have found that @ 1080/60 25Mbps gives a better quality than 12Mbps or lower. Unless I'm missing something.
Recording should be done with CQP values, not CBR. But for upscaling 25mbps is plenty for av1 1440p60
@@EposVox ideally yeah, but CQP for quicksync AV1 is bugged in the current patch.
Until it's patched it's better to overshoot on CBR, then edit it down.
Yesterday I have tested stream with 1080p upscaling it to AV1 1440p 60fps only @ CBR 12000mbps and stream looks much better than my previous one which was h264 1080p 60fps. The benefit of upscaling is due forcing yt to use vp9 codec. At same time I was also streaming to my friend over discord also with AV1 1080p 60fps and he said it was much better quality than x265.
This looks freeking awesome!! Great job by the OBS devs team and RUclips 🎉
WOW, I'm loving this. Thanks, Adam for keeping us all up to date with AV1 it's beautiful. It's so awsome.
I hope twitch is watching :)
Same
Hahahahah😂 nice!
They’ll be watching, alright. Not sure about acting though 😂
Hope they act on AV1 soon. They could really use it
I doubt they are too keen on investing in the transcoding hardware. And source streaming AV1 is still basically a no go at this point due to limited decoding support on devices most commonly used for viewing
What im most interested in is 120fps for streaming. you can have a "watchable" 1080p 120fps stream with intel QSV from OBS in twitch in some games, but imagine how it could be with AV1. Or if youtube supported 120fps now that it supports AV1. Hope there is twitch support soon or a 120fps option soon for youtube :d
Twitch did support 120 fps for a long time
Twitch supports 120 fps. I stream at 720p120fps and my friend does the same. It works. In settings it says it's 720p60 but it really is 720p120. But you have to use Source quality. It also got huge benefits for RUclips because when you upload you original 120 fps file to RUclips, video gonna be slightly smoother than when uploading typical 60 fps file - youtube encoding is more consistent when it works with more frames even though you end up with 60 fps in the end.
@@JonaFolgt i mean, thats what i said in the comment...
It's finally happening! I've been waiting for this since dedicated GPU AV1 encoding support was announced and have been loving every minute of using OBS to record in AV1 on my Nvidia GPU. It really is as you said a game changer, and will completely reshape the way content is streamed moving forward. Thank you for covering this.
40 series GPU?
This is really exciting for someone starting out and trying to grow. Quality isn't all you need, but it sure doesn't hurt.
This is so incredibly exciting! I've been anticipating this rollout so hard since your first videos on it and I'm so happy to see it's happening!
Can't wait for the update to try out AV1 streaming for all new dGPUs. I hope NVIDIA and AMD follows suit. Thanks!!!
Afaik, both will also be supported at the same time as Intel, the difference is that testing weren't done with the AMD cards.
@@dsm828 when will it be compatible with amd?
@@francoos7781 ermm, been supported on OBS for quite awhile now, 'just' gotta have an rx7000 series.
Half a year ago Nvidia announced the AV1 encoder and advertised you could get better streaming quality on Twitch. Kinda funny that RUclips beat them to it.
Yeah. Twitch was THE big advocate for it and etc, but after their Principle Video Engineer left for TikTok in 2021, they’ve been quiet about it
Cant wait to see Epos Vox upload a video showing off all the top tier settings for the best AVI experience a streamer can have!
Bro AV1 2.5Mbps looks better than my h264 8Mbps 💀
Just upgraded to an rtx 4070 this morning solely because of your av1 videos.appreciate it because there's not a ton of youtubers doing a ton of content covering av1 like you have
Hey Max,
What settings are you running for your OBS? I just got mine and I'm having issues finding the correct settings as I play 1080p but apparently, it is not recommended...
@@seniordoggo for recording im doing mkv encoder>nvidia nvenc av1 rescale output 1920x1080 rate control cqp cq level 20....preset p6>high quality>single pass
@@MaxMilly_85 For streaming? Also how is peformance whilst doing any of those? Do you drop many frames?
@@seniordoggo no sorry that's for recording, haven't tested stream yet but for recording it's smooth no drop frames
Do you need an Intel GPU for AV1 encoding, or can you use just a CPU? And which is the cheapest Intel CPU that has a built-in encoder?
New sub! Would love to see a full video of advanced settings.
Ive just built with a 7900xtx and 7800x3d and trying to lose minimal frames in game
Curious if you could answer this question. I am on a 38in ultrawide 3840x1600. When I record native and upload youtube recognizes the video as 4k60 and is in UW. When I stream in AV1 and stream base resolution of 3840x1600, youtube recognizes it as only 1440p60. Why would it recognize the two as different and is there a way to stream and get the 4k option for viewers, with the base 3840x1600 res. Thanks.
if IRL streams are already great at 1080p 30 fps 6000 Mbps with HEVEC, imagine how good this is going to be reducing bandwidth and sending even better image!!
Or the mobile carriers/ISPs use these bandwidth savings and delay further infrastructure upgrades and throttle their users, so everything basically stays the same ;)
finally after all this years we get to see it and use it very soon, thanks for every test, news and making videos about it, soo happy to see streaming get to next level,
Questions : Do you think we might stream and upload videos 120 fps because of Av1 on youtube if it goes live for everyone ? If we can do it on youtube is that mean twitch will support it soon since there are now some streamers streaming 1440p/1080p with 120 fps with the H264 encoder?
RUclips's player doesnt support 120 right now sadly. On Twitch you can already stream in 120 it just looks bad. AV1 support on Twitch will be a game changer in that regard if they ever get around ti it
@@TeaOS 120 will do changes if they have support for normal videos, how about streaming that's bad for them, , but will see if they goin to add it in the future
still excited for twitch if they support 120 this year
How's AV1 on Intel vs Nvidia vs AMD latest gen cards. as in quality and how much performance of the card it takes up?
Iam pumped for this! Thanks for sharing
I really hope that Twitch takes this as a sign to incorporate AV1 because at this point they were already behind in stream quality.
Great vid but honestly it’s extremely hard to see the difference in compression quality between codecs when the bit rate is so high. If you dropped it to like 1Mbps there would be a DRAMATIC difference between x264 and av1
Who’s the person that does BluRay encoding and can we be friends? That sounds like a really wild gig
Should also note, this same OBS 29.1 update is also going to (potentially, based on what i saw in the PR) open up HEVC streaming to youtube as well. So, anyone not looking to upgrade their card or get a secondary one will also be able to stream better quality with lower bandwidth as well.
That's correct, enhanced rtmp also supports HEVC streaming. But you can actually stream HEVC to RUclips already using the HLS protocol. Select RUclips HLS in the OBS streaming tab and it will become available.
hmm, i’ll have to try it
you could already stream hevc to youtube via HLS
Yes but HLS had lots of issues for some internet connections. This is a smoother route
Oh that is fucking awesome
🚉We've been at the hype train station just waiting for this to be picked up.
Great video, Addie! 💜💙
so happy to see us finally turning the corner here. Higher quality at extreme bandwidth savings is soo nice.
Is it true that if you put something like 15-20k as bitrate that some of your viewers won't be able to watch the stream due to their poor internet connection?
Nope, RUclips transcodes all your streams to a format viewers can watch. If they can’t watch the max resolution option, they can select a lower quality
I'm curious. Do you have a video or any data on how big of a difference there is between AV1 and HEVC with the current encoders that are available?
I can't find any recent tests or maybe I'm just bad at searching 😅
AV1 IS HERE TO STAY THO! SO HYPED TO SEE IT GETTING CLOSER TO MASS AVAILABILITY!🎉🎉🎉🎉
LTT covered AV1 on Arc a while back at launch. They, like others, mostly compared AV1 vs H264. But they had one side by side with AV1 vs HEVC and it was basically the same.
That’s only one test, and if I remember right it was a fairly high bitrate so it wouldnt really push AV1 or HEVC to its limits. But they said most of the advantage with AV1 is easier adoption by the platforms.
@@MoChuang343 Yeah I don't doubt that AV1 is easier considering it's royalty-free and open source. I'm just curious on how much I'm "giving up on" by using HEVC, since I don't have a GPU with hardware AV1 encoder.
Such an exciting time for tech and streaming :D
@@TheStanleyFTW I also only have HEVC and from what I can see is good enough. Linus compared 1080p60 8mbps HEVC and AV1 and they were basically identical and way better than h264.
Would AV1 be better than HEVC at 4mbps? Idk…but HEVC is good enough for 1440p60 at 8mbps in Halo with YT VP9 compression being the limiting factor. That’s good enough for me…
@@MoChuang343 That's awesome to hear. Saw that the 29.1 beta has been released now so can't wait to test it out later today! 🙌
Intel Arc FTW
What kind of bitrate needed in av1 on an a750 for 1080p60?
choo choo. cant wait to put AV1 on my main rig. guess my ARC a380 in my SFF pc is going to used for now lol
For my dual PC setup in the streaming PC i have a rtx 3070. You think it would be better to switch to intel arc for the streaming PC?
if the second pc is only for streaming might be worth to sell the rtx 3070 and pick up a arc. the arc is going to do alot worse for gaming compared to the rtx 3070, only place I can think of it winning is encoding. I personally wouldn't make the switch yet
I already own a high end GPU but would love to try AV1 streaming.
Have you tried using an Intel ARC card as a secondary GPU, running the game on an Nvidia or AMD GPU, and encoding with the Intel card? I'm guessing it's theoretically possible, but i wonder if having Intel ARC control center installed alongside Nvidia Control Panel or AMD's software would cause problems, and if sending the frame buffer from the main GPU to the secondary GPU for encoding would cause performance issues?
Thanks EpoxVox, your content is amazing.
I wish intel would release an a380 with no need for 8 pin power. To have that encoding factor in a small form factor would be awesome.
Yeah MSI apparently launched a LP A380 with no power pin in China. Would be a sick budget encoding machine. Like an i5-7500 optiplex with an LP A380 for like $200!
I've been recording using HEVC for a while now, and I can't wait to be able to use it for streaming as well. I tried it a bit with HLS and the quality is very impressive, but unfortunately the delay with HLS is massive.
I would love to see a video testing out having an NVIDIA 3000 series GPU and one of those Intel ARC GPUs in a single computer, to see what kind of performance and quality you could expect from adding ARC cards just for encoding.
RUclips stream latency is based on resolution. At 4K it’s like 25s. But for 1440p it’s only 5-7s. 1080p is around 2s.
I think 1440p is the sweet spot as 5s delay isn’t terrible and getting VP9 transcoding does wonders for quality.
TLDR 1440p 60fps HEVC HLS -> VP9 only has a ~5s delay and looks great.
@@MoChuang343 yea because with 1080p you are able to use "Ultra low-latency" setting. With 1440p that isn't available. When I was trying HEVC HLS I was getting ~20 second delay on my 1440p stream, but maybe there was something else going on, need to try it again.
Edit: Tried it again. 1440p 60fps stream with RTMP had a 7-second delay. With the same resolution and FPS, HLS had a 14-second delay. You don't even get to choose the delay with HLS like with RTMP, so it is what you get.
@@Nilvarcus I know it do this wrong but it works. Setup an RTMP stream key in RUclips and use it in OBS abut with the HLS protocol. See what that does to your latency.
@@MoChuang343 I tried this and it definitely improved latency, but caused other issues. It was working great for about an hour, and then started doing weird things. Now I tested with OBS 29.1 beta build and streaming with HEVC works perfectly without any added delay.
@@Nilvarcus good to know. Thanks. You were using the new RTMP protocol with HEVC in OBS 29.1? I’m excited for it to officially drop.
I need to replace my GTX 1080 at some point now. ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN, CHOO CHOO 🚂
CHOO EFFIN CHOO
Did you try any games that have lots of foliage? this has always been one of the biggest issues with streaming games that have a ton of foliage we know it looks like crap on live stream so does av1 help with this a lot?
Intel, please help make Arc A310/A350 no-connector style slim GPUs available as an add-in AV1 encoding card LOL. It sucks having a 3080(Ti) because it's great in everything (especially at 1080p) but SVT-AV1 on my 5800X is a little funny though usable for recording with core lassoing at 720p30 at 3.5mbps or 1080p30fps. Way better quality than H264 but that CPU limitation is so sad at times. Oh well, maybe I'll get a 7950X3D and have 6-8 cores on the high clock dedicated to SVT-OBS at preset 6, ideally with future updates to it.
PCIE extenders are kinda pricey and hopefully bifurcation works, but yeah power supply upgrade time I suppose if I want to go dual-GPU, since I don't see a "Sell 3080ti grab 4070ti for $600" path
How about AV1 CPU encoding? Curious from a budgetary standpoint for people who have an "old" PC they can turn into a rendering PC for no costs?
Older CPUs are not going to have a good time with the AV1 CPU encoders at all. Would be better off using standard H264 or GPU H264/HEVC encoding
@@EposVox Because some people see 2 generations as old, is there even a loosely defined line on what CPU's can do it?
Was just curious if there are some tests done on that, couldn't find anything my self.
how come i don't have the option of AV1 youtube streaming on OBS Studio??? i only have the option for AMD HW AV1 for OBS recording on my high-end rx7900xtx video card...
Probably need to sign out/back in to the RUclips integration
amazing to see people exited for such quality at 6, 11 or 15mbps. those are very high bitrates for "well / properly" encoded content. I see more improvement on ISP speeds than compression.
“Well / properly encoded content” aka, not real-time…
For recording in 1440p60 with AV1, I set my CQP level to 14. I read that's mostly lossless and no point to go lower. Do you agree?
Wait WHAT! @EposVox. Ya need to explain how to add an ARC Card into your main Gaming Rig to use the Arc Card as a Dec Streaming Card. I thought using two GPUS is bad as it cuts down the Express Lanes used on both your Gaming GPU and Streaming GPU. I thought it is always better to just do Dual PCS for streaming / Recording
16 mbps bitrate is perfect for av1 Intel Arc a380, in RUclips stream with 1440p60 res , shooters games? 😮
Wish Twitch rolled this out D: probably not that far behind RUclips if I had to guess but who knows.
Is it possible to have your stream save on the hard drive at the same time as being uploaded just in case the streaming service messes with the vod?
Yep! In record settings, just choose "use stream encoder" and remember to record (or set in General Settings) to automatically record when streaming
I wondered when we were finally gonna get AV1 streaming! I wanted to test it myself and built that pull request but I didn't have the AV1 option on my A750 for streaming so I'll just wait because building binaries on Windows is a nightmare lol I'm very much a stickler for quality and one of the reasons I never like streaming to Twitch is lack of transcoding for nobodies like myself and the bitrate cap (I know it's very expensive, but maybe Amazon doesn't give Twitch enough resources or they're that out of touch, who knows...). RUclips is definitely ahead of the curve here letting anyone stream how they personally see fit!
Appreciate this video. Helped a ton!
Been waiting for this!! Just copped an A380 with your newegg linky, this is perfectly times as I start to make the switch to youtube.
My RTX 4080 is ready to jump into my dedicated stream PC instead old trusty 1660 super... I am streaming in 1440p for YEARS now.... and I really hope I can improove further my stream video sharpness and quality overall while pushing approx 25000 bitrate (for 1440p) on my OBS...
New to av1 so bare with me. If I wanted to do a 2 pc set up & game on my 3080 then encode/stream on an Intel gpu. That would be possible here in the future?
Can't wait for it on Twitch.
Hmm I wonder what other platforms have it
Super exciting, can't wait to try it all out.
4K 60 @ 10-15 Mb/s is crazy! Great video and hype 👌
How's the delay when streaming AV1 to RUclips? No doubt it's a beefier codec for YT to transcode to VP9, the delay between what's live and your chat activity could be problematic if it's too long. This was a big reason some avoided 4K streaming even when RUclips supported it.
My #1 most important thing regarding AV1 right now is decoding speed for fast editing. I'm stuck on wack H264 and have been desperately trying to switch to something that's faster to work with. Is AV1 the right move regarding that?
Depends on the NLE. Premiere still doesn’t seem to support it, but Resolve loves it on RTX3000 and RX7000.
You think its worth getting an intel gpu just to encode streams and running dual gpu setup for that purpose
So if I am understanding this correctly when this OBS beta is released only an Intel ARC GPU will be able to livestream to RUclips via AV1 and not a gpu such as a 4090?
is there a potential quality difference for uploading with nvenc hevc with the new 29.1 beta 4 update? I have a GTX 1660 and I've been waiting for the next big step in quality for an upgrade path. Turing's NVENC was a step up from previous generations, is NVIDIA's AV1 on the 40xx series also an NVENC implementation? The a770 16gb is a tempting upgrade path as there's been several major performance improvements with driver revisions and my b450 and 5800x3d support re-bar so I shouldn't have any performance issues with it. I'm probably going to mess around with hevc nvenc in the meantime.
Is RTX 40 series or Intel ARK AV1 higher quality? I am thinking of picking ARC A380 as secondary AV1 streaming card? It honestly looks amazing
Honestly they’re all pretty neck in neck. Especially after running through RUclips compression it’s not going to matter. Pick what you can afford!
Yea will be streaming League Of Legends in 4k60fps with the Intel Arc soon. Can't wait! Awesome.
Great, now I need wings. Thanks.
LMFAO
Your welcome.
Arc a750 for 225$ or rx 6650 xt for 270$ what's the best choice for the price? ( we don't have rx 6700 here)?
I am confused with the comment not to stream at 1080p Ionly have 1080p should I force OBS to stream at the 4k res even if my setup is only 1080p?
My recommendation would be to upscale to 1440p in OBS for RUclips yes
I realize this is an Intel sponsored video, but will the AV1 streaming be possible for nvidia RTX 30 series? If yes, then would it be viable to both stream and play video games on the same GPU, just like we do with NVENC right now?
30 series does not have AV1 encoding, only 40 series. But you would be able to use HEVC with this update
i can't get quicksync to work in OBS. the error message always shows that it is unavailable. do I have to plug a monitor into the card or something? I have the Intel ARC drivers installed. I have an nvidia 3000 card as my main and secondary monitors.
I'm less interested in the improvements at high quality and bitrates and more excited about the possible new streamers that can get into the game at low bitrates who may not have been able to stream at all before due to slow internet.
Tested this morning. This is AMAZING!
Will youtube rtmps plus also replace youtube hls?
i added to my system an arc a380... i dont see av1 hw intel encoder in the list. any idea?
AV1 encode is available on RTX 40 series (and some others) The ada cards are on the matrix chart showing support for AV1 encode.
Yep, covered in multiple videos
The problem with the 4000 series cards is that the cheapest one is $800. Intel offers a budget alternative for people who just need the AV1 encoding.
Thank you for this man. This is amazing!
I have a 6600 non xt. My internet upload speed is 8.5mbps what should I set my bitrate on OBS? I currently use 4500bitrate and play at 720p or 1080p
HYPE!!!!!
Thank you for sharing!
It comes at the right time, just when I'm upgrading my build. NICE.
So now do you think its possible to game and stream on A770 at the same time while using Av1 without any issues?
What's the difference between SVT-AV1 & AOM AV1?
I can use both, the first 1 seems to be too much for my computer though.
OBS 29.1.3
Could you add some H.265 comparators in a future video?
For content archival, I’d love to know if Intel’s hardware AV1 is beating X265 medium or slow yet.
Amazing...Finally!!. Lets hope its not 6 months for release to public. Was the 4k60 stream on a 1 PC setup Epos? What was your actual frame rate (did you lock to 60 for smoother stream)?
Single PC. Framerate shown on screen if you want to peep at the vods linked
(Didn’t limit to 60)
@@EposVox fantastic
How long before public would you estimate?
The OBS build is estimated to be released tomorrow
@@EposVox wow. I'm super excited.
sooo uhh what about twitch 😂
We’ll see
I bought an A380 on ebay straight after watching this video
@EposVox Thanks for the great content! Is there a performance difference in AV1 encoding when comparing the RTX 4000 series cards vs the new Intel cards? Can I buy just a vanilla 4070 or would an extra spend on a 4080 be with it? This is for a dedicated streaming box.
did you ever get an answer to your question?
your 1440p60 @ 500kbps looks close to the same as my 1440p60 at 8-12 Mbps I use AV1 and I have the bandwidth so not sure what I should do
Sounds like you should stream 8-12mbps
This is so exciting! Is anyone familiar with any open source libraries for implementing enhance RTMP on the server side that doesn't require I implement the spec directly? I couldn't find any.
Soon, it'll be time for me to save up for a second ARC GPU just for AV1 encoding? I use a 3070 ti and it works well for all my game needs, but some games struggle streaming and playing at same time (cough ARK Survival)
Thanks EV!
How would the Arc cards handle streaming + local recording at the same time with different bit rates, so actual two encodings at the same time. I might have to check reviews to see how it works vs. Nvidia's stuff in Adobe Media Encoder now that we might get a 4060 (which will probably be a lot more expensive than the Arc cards).
I am streaming with XSplit and Arc750, but whenever I try to stream QuickSync AV1 to RUclips, I get an error. RUclips doesn’t accept it, also I can’t find rtmp+ in the stream settings. Did I miss something? Is this not live yet?
XSplit probably doesn’t have updated RTMP support yet lol
The build for OBS doesn’t even release until tomorrow and I’ve not heard of XSplit’s plans to implement it. Stuff was basically just finalized this week
Can I run the Intel Arc card as a 2nd GPU and use that for streaming and keep my RTX3080 as my local use card?
Disregard I think he answered this around the 1/3rd point in the video lol
With AV1 streaming coming soon to RUclips would I be able to benefit from it having an upload speed of 4-5mbps at home?
Thank you!
Can you write settings for recording game in 4K and 60FPS ?
Fantastic news! I can't to give it a go!
Ironically Tom's Hardware found Arc's H265 slightly better than Arc's AV1. (Article by Jarred Walton, March 9 2023.) Within a % or two, but still consistently better.
(Caveat: The Tom's Hardware results seem surprising IMO, I thought AV1 would always beat H265, so I'd be curious to see other reviewers try it and see if they get different results than Jarred W got.)
So for all the AV1 hype, and focused hard on intel as the first adopter, I don't think we expected RUclips to accept HEVC and AV1 on the exact same day for live streaming, nor did we expect H265 to still be relevant after AV1 was accepted, but here we are. (Again, according to Tom's Hardware.)
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LONG COMMENT, FEEL FREE TO SKIP THE REST, I RAMBLED A BIT. Sorry for the essay, lol.
My more detailed interpretation of the VMAF results in that article: NVidia's AV1 was the best codec on the market right now, in his tests using FFmpeg directly, by usually at least a point or two of VMAF over any competing brand or codec. Followed by Arc H265 and NVidia H265 basically tied. (For H264, again Arc/NVidia H264 were basically tied.) (AMD was behind for any given codec, but if you're for sure going with AMD, then on AMD hardware, the best codecs in order were AV1 > H265 > H264. And AMD 7000 series is stronger than AMD 6000, apparently.)
Also: Intel iGPU was surprisingly strong in the H264 and H265 it was capable of outputting, beating AMD at least, but not as good as Arc or NVidia dGPUs usually. Occasionally Intel iGPU H265 could tie or beat NVidia H265, but it never beat Arc H265.
I'd say AV1 appears to help AMD and NVidia the most, whereas Intel ironically shines most in H265. Arc AV1 is still baller tho.
But my point is: If you've already got the hardware in hand, why not use the best codec your hardware can do? I think for Arc (per Tom's Hardware results) that "best codec" is lookin' like H265 for Arc right now, in mid 2023.
P.S. I love open, royalty-free standards, I love open-source software, the ethos, etc. I want AV1 and AOMedia to win this fight. Hands down. But for RUclips where the stream is getting re-encoded immediately server-side, what difference does it make to me hypothetically as a content creator, or to my hypothetical viewers? Twitch is a different story, but they are H264 only right now, so it's moot (for now). And for my personal use (recordings), again I'm less ideological. If it works and is efficient, I'll record in that format. Sharing files maybe it starts to matter to the ecosystem so I'll consider AV1 even if VMAF takes 1 or 2 points hit. Otherwise, where the ecosystem isn't much affected by it, and AV1 is there as a fallback option to keep MPEG from pulling too much major shenanigans, I just want quality-per-bitrate efficiency, and not much else matters. (And on NVidia or AMD I would use AV1 no question, so AV1 is surely a blessing to the ecosystem already for those brands.)
... It's just funny that the intel+AV1 hype is so big when Intel's actual encoder implementation *maybe* (?) favors H265.
That report is very good, but I feel that there is a lack of more researchers, and that they publish more conclusions with the same comparative tests, although personally that in Intel ARC av1 with h265 Arc ..., they are almost the same but the advantage of av1 is that you can use a 40% lower bitrate (from h265) with same quality results
Im a bit of a noob on this. I have a 4070 ti. Am i able to stream using av1 to youtube if so what codec to i select? Hvec? or are we still waiting for the nvidia av1 streaming codec? Sorry if the question is dumb
Yes you can, you’d choose AV1
How do you check the quality of your stream to evaluate your bitrate?
Hello! If I have a 3080 10G can I add an Intel GPU to stream and play with the 3080?
How well does the encorder do if the arc isn't in a 16x slot? Watching Linus daily drive arc and seeing so many inconsistencies for just gaming; I am wondering if it would be worth putting it in a suboptimal slot as just an encoding card. Granted I don't use ray tracing so I use my tensor cores for encoding only but if AV1 is that much better what is the prospect of just arc for encoding.
I know the A380 is only even x8 electrically, I’m not certain about the other two off-hand. But for just encoding it should be fine
@@EposVox I am just thinking about value for casual streams; which I believe would be a no until twitch rolls out AV1 acceptance at arc's current price.
@@EposVox did you maybe test if with the new ryzen 7000 boards, which have a dedicated PCIe x16 and PCIe x4 slot connected to CPU(some asrock b650 boards like livemixer), main GPU still suffer degraded performance when using second card just for encoding?
So can the arc GPU be used as a capture card while using a separate GPU as the gaming card? I have a 5700 XT and I'm interested in AV1, not necessarily for live streaming yet, but for recording and posting on RUclips. Will this be if any use for my case in particular?
This is how I use two GPUs - a Radeon 6900 XT for gaming and a GeForce 3050 for image encoding using NVENC. It works great, the frame buffer flies over PCI-E flawlessly with minimal load on the platform. If Intel hasn't blocked anything hardware-wise, it should also work with Arc on OBS
I realize that this is a sponsored stream, and I am respectful of that, but does this new prerelease version of OBS support streaming to youtube in av1 using other manufacturer's hardware av1 encoders as well (amd/nvenc?)
Also, I have personally tooted the horn of people who don't wish to upgrade their gpus right now to possibly pick up an a320 for av1 encoding for primary recording / archiving as well as they are INCREDIBLY inexpensive (i've seen them as low as $120 recently), AND can easily serve as a method of getting additional secondary display outputs for larger multimonitor setups (so your primary display and maybe something like a vr headset or something gets plugged into your primary gpu, and your secondary displays can get plugged into the arc card). just remember to use your tertiary pcie slot (not the secondary) or you risk halving the potential bandwidth to your primary gpu)
NVENC support is in 29.1, AMD will come later
@@EposVox Awesome! Thank you!
AMD support will be in the beta after all, just untested by the devs.