I doubt they are too keen on investing in the transcoding hardware. And source streaming AV1 is still basically a no go at this point due to limited decoding support on devices most commonly used for viewing
I have been waiting for this. Glad to hear that it is headed our way. I use AV1 encoding on my Arc380 and love the quality and low overall overhead on my PC. Streaming AV1 is going to be a game changer for sure. Downside is that I game in 1080p so no 4k streaming, but I do upscale my recordings to 4k from 1080p using AV1 encoding in Davinci Resolve and the results are unbelievable.
@@EposVox Do I need to adjust my bitrate to do that? I currently record at 25Mbps CBR. I know that is high for 1080, but I have found that @ 1080/60 25Mbps gives a better quality than 12Mbps or lower. Unless I'm missing something.
@@EposVox ideally yeah, but CQP for quicksync AV1 is bugged in the current patch. Until it's patched it's better to overshoot on CBR, then edit it down.
Yesterday I have tested stream with 1080p upscaling it to AV1 1440p 60fps only @ CBR 12000mbps and stream looks much better than my previous one which was h264 1080p 60fps. The benefit of upscaling is due forcing yt to use vp9 codec. At same time I was also streaming to my friend over discord also with AV1 1080p 60fps and he said it was much better quality than x265.
What im most interested in is 120fps for streaming. you can have a "watchable" 1080p 120fps stream with intel QSV from OBS in twitch in some games, but imagine how it could be with AV1. Or if youtube supported 120fps now that it supports AV1. Hope there is twitch support soon or a 120fps option soon for youtube :d
Twitch supports 120 fps. I stream at 720p120fps and my friend does the same. It works. In settings it says it's 720p60 but it really is 720p120. But you have to use Source quality. It also got huge benefits for RUclips because when you upload you original 120 fps file to RUclips, video gonna be slightly smoother than when uploading typical 60 fps file - youtube encoding is more consistent when it works with more frames even though you end up with 60 fps in the end.
It's finally happening! I've been waiting for this since dedicated GPU AV1 encoding support was announced and have been loving every minute of using OBS to record in AV1 on my Nvidia GPU. It really is as you said a game changer, and will completely reshape the way content is streamed moving forward. Thank you for covering this.
Curious if you could answer this question. I am on a 38in ultrawide 3840x1600. When I record native and upload youtube recognizes the video as 4k60 and is in UW. When I stream in AV1 and stream base resolution of 3840x1600, youtube recognizes it as only 1440p60. Why would it recognize the two as different and is there a way to stream and get the 4k option for viewers, with the base 3840x1600 res. Thanks.
Should also note, this same OBS 29.1 update is also going to (potentially, based on what i saw in the PR) open up HEVC streaming to youtube as well. So, anyone not looking to upgrade their card or get a secondary one will also be able to stream better quality with lower bandwidth as well.
That's correct, enhanced rtmp also supports HEVC streaming. But you can actually stream HEVC to RUclips already using the HLS protocol. Select RUclips HLS in the OBS streaming tab and it will become available.
if IRL streams are already great at 1080p 30 fps 6000 Mbps with HEVEC, imagine how good this is going to be reducing bandwidth and sending even better image!!
Or the mobile carriers/ISPs use these bandwidth savings and delay further infrastructure upgrades and throttle their users, so everything basically stays the same ;)
Half a year ago Nvidia announced the AV1 encoder and advertised you could get better streaming quality on Twitch. Kinda funny that RUclips beat them to it.
how come i don't have the option of AV1 youtube streaming on OBS Studio??? i only have the option for AMD HW AV1 for OBS recording on my high-end rx7900xtx video card...
This is so exciting! Is anyone familiar with any open source libraries for implementing enhance RTMP on the server side that doesn't require I implement the spec directly? I couldn't find any.
I’m not doing any 1080p samples because 1080p still looks horrible on RUclips, regardless of what you send them. Even if you’re playing in 1080p, just upscale to 1440p in obs
Great vid but honestly it’s extremely hard to see the difference in compression quality between codecs when the bit rate is so high. If you dropped it to like 1Mbps there would be a DRAMATIC difference between x264 and av1
if the second pc is only for streaming might be worth to sell the rtx 3070 and pick up a arc. the arc is going to do alot worse for gaming compared to the rtx 3070, only place I can think of it winning is encoding. I personally wouldn't make the switch yet
Wait WHAT! @EposVox. Ya need to explain how to add an ARC Card into your main Gaming Rig to use the Arc Card as a Dec Streaming Card. I thought using two GPUS is bad as it cuts down the Express Lanes used on both your Gaming GPU and Streaming GPU. I thought it is always better to just do Dual PCS for streaming / Recording
Just upgraded to an rtx 4070 this morning solely because of your av1 videos.appreciate it because there's not a ton of youtubers doing a ton of content covering av1 like you have
Hey Max, What settings are you running for your OBS? I just got mine and I'm having issues finding the correct settings as I play 1080p but apparently, it is not recommended...
So if I am understanding this correctly when this OBS beta is released only an Intel ARC GPU will be able to livestream to RUclips via AV1 and not a gpu such as a 4090?
How's the delay when streaming AV1 to RUclips? No doubt it's a beefier codec for YT to transcode to VP9, the delay between what's live and your chat activity could be problematic if it's too long. This was a big reason some avoided 4K streaming even when RUclips supported it.
I already own a high end GPU but would love to try AV1 streaming. Have you tried using an Intel ARC card as a secondary GPU, running the game on an Nvidia or AMD GPU, and encoding with the Intel card? I'm guessing it's theoretically possible, but i wonder if having Intel ARC control center installed alongside Nvidia Control Panel or AMD's software would cause problems, and if sending the frame buffer from the main GPU to the secondary GPU for encoding would cause performance issues? Thanks EpoxVox, your content is amazing.
New to av1 so bare with me. If I wanted to do a 2 pc set up & game on my 3080 then encode/stream on an Intel gpu. That would be possible here in the future?
i can't get quicksync to work in OBS. the error message always shows that it is unavailable. do I have to plug a monitor into the card or something? I have the Intel ARC drivers installed. I have an nvidia 3000 card as my main and secondary monitors.
How well does the encorder do if the arc isn't in a 16x slot? Watching Linus daily drive arc and seeing so many inconsistencies for just gaming; I am wondering if it would be worth putting it in a suboptimal slot as just an encoding card. Granted I don't use ray tracing so I use my tensor cores for encoding only but if AV1 is that much better what is the prospect of just arc for encoding.
@@EposVox I am just thinking about value for casual streams; which I believe would be a no until twitch rolls out AV1 acceptance at arc's current price.
@@EposVox did you maybe test if with the new ryzen 7000 boards, which have a dedicated PCIe x16 and PCIe x4 slot connected to CPU(some asrock b650 boards like livemixer), main GPU still suffer degraded performance when using second card just for encoding?
Yeah MSI apparently launched a LP A380 with no power pin in China. Would be a sick budget encoding machine. Like an i5-7500 optiplex with an LP A380 for like $200!
is there a potential quality difference for uploading with nvenc hevc with the new 29.1 beta 4 update? I have a GTX 1660 and I've been waiting for the next big step in quality for an upgrade path. Turing's NVENC was a step up from previous generations, is NVIDIA's AV1 on the 40xx series also an NVENC implementation? The a770 16gb is a tempting upgrade path as there's been several major performance improvements with driver revisions and my b450 and 5800x3d support re-bar so I shouldn't have any performance issues with it. I'm probably going to mess around with hevc nvenc in the meantime.
I realize this is an Intel sponsored video, but will the AV1 streaming be possible for nvidia RTX 30 series? If yes, then would it be viable to both stream and play video games on the same GPU, just like we do with NVENC right now?
Could you add some H.265 comparators in a future video? For content archival, I’d love to know if Intel’s hardware AV1 is beating X265 medium or slow yet.
I've been recording using HEVC for a while now, and I can't wait to be able to use it for streaming as well. I tried it a bit with HLS and the quality is very impressive, but unfortunately the delay with HLS is massive. I would love to see a video testing out having an NVIDIA 3000 series GPU and one of those Intel ARC GPUs in a single computer, to see what kind of performance and quality you could expect from adding ARC cards just for encoding.
RUclips stream latency is based on resolution. At 4K it’s like 25s. But for 1440p it’s only 5-7s. 1080p is around 2s. I think 1440p is the sweet spot as 5s delay isn’t terrible and getting VP9 transcoding does wonders for quality. TLDR 1440p 60fps HEVC HLS -> VP9 only has a ~5s delay and looks great.
@@MoChuang343 yea because with 1080p you are able to use "Ultra low-latency" setting. With 1440p that isn't available. When I was trying HEVC HLS I was getting ~20 second delay on my 1440p stream, but maybe there was something else going on, need to try it again. Edit: Tried it again. 1440p 60fps stream with RTMP had a 7-second delay. With the same resolution and FPS, HLS had a 14-second delay. You don't even get to choose the delay with HLS like with RTMP, so it is what you get.
@@Nilvarcus I know it do this wrong but it works. Setup an RTMP stream key in RUclips and use it in OBS abut with the HLS protocol. See what that does to your latency.
@@MoChuang343 I tried this and it definitely improved latency, but caused other issues. It was working great for about an hour, and then started doing weird things. Now I tested with OBS 29.1 beta build and streaming with HEVC works perfectly without any added delay.
Could you test how well dGPU hardware accelerated AV1 encoding works with the dGPU being connected to the main system via Thunderbolt, so limited to PCIe 3.0 x4?
Is it true that if you put something like 15-20k as bitrate that some of your viewers won't be able to watch the stream due to their poor internet connection?
Nope, RUclips transcodes all your streams to a format viewers can watch. If they can’t watch the max resolution option, they can select a lower quality
@@EposVox Ty Adam for the reply. Interesting it doesn't have the encoder, im going to order a A380, since you mention it would be equal in terms of encoding to the A770/A750.
How would the Arc cards handle streaming + local recording at the same time with different bit rates, so actual two encodings at the same time. I might have to check reviews to see how it works vs. Nvidia's stuff in Adobe Media Encoder now that we might get a 4060 (which will probably be a lot more expensive than the Arc cards).
I am streaming with XSplit and Arc750, but whenever I try to stream QuickSync AV1 to RUclips, I get an error. RUclips doesn’t accept it, also I can’t find rtmp+ in the stream settings. Did I miss something? Is this not live yet?
XSplit probably doesn’t have updated RTMP support yet lol The build for OBS doesn’t even release until tomorrow and I’ve not heard of XSplit’s plans to implement it. Stuff was basically just finalized this week
amazing to see people exited for such quality at 6, 11 or 15mbps. those are very high bitrates for "well / properly" encoded content. I see more improvement on ISP speeds than compression.
My RTX 4080 is ready to jump into my dedicated stream PC instead old trusty 1660 super... I am streaming in 1440p for YEARS now.... and I really hope I can improove further my stream video sharpness and quality overall while pushing approx 25000 bitrate (for 1440p) on my OBS...
Did you try any games that have lots of foliage? this has always been one of the biggest issues with streaming games that have a ton of foliage we know it looks like crap on live stream so does av1 help with this a lot?
@@EposVox Thanks for the quick reply! My Live Streams have a lot of fast motion and I am going to attempt 18000 Kbps CBR instead of VBR 20000 Kbps to 24000 Kbps. I just noticed that you confirmed it after I typed the question but I was hoping that maybe they have updated it since you made this video, and maybe I needed to do a custom Stream Key. I'm going to just stick to RTMPS, Primary RUclips ingest server and see how it looks. Cheers! :)
So can the arc GPU be used as a capture card while using a separate GPU as the gaming card? I have a 5700 XT and I'm interested in AV1, not necessarily for live streaming yet, but for recording and posting on RUclips. Will this be if any use for my case in particular?
This is how I use two GPUs - a Radeon 6900 XT for gaming and a GeForce 3050 for image encoding using NVENC. It works great, the frame buffer flies over PCI-E flawlessly with minimal load on the platform. If Intel hasn't blocked anything hardware-wise, it should also work with Arc on OBS
Im a bit of a noob on this. I have a 4070 ti. Am i able to stream using av1 to youtube if so what codec to i select? Hvec? or are we still waiting for the nvidia av1 streaming codec? Sorry if the question is dumb
Is there a fidelity difference between NVENC AV1 and SVT AV1? I tried doing my own experiments on SVT AV1 vs NVENC HEVC, and the latter maintained higher levels of detail, so I wanted to know if they were the same.
@EposVox ok! Thanks I'll check to make sure I'm using that. I'm still a novice with understanding different encoders. You and your video definitely help a lot. Much appreciated!
@EposVox What if i game on a rx 6700 or nvidia 3060 but put a intel arc in the same computer for av1 how would that effect my preformance and input lag and all those little things ?
I want to get an a380 because right now it's $119 but my streaming computer has a 3070ti. I just don't know how I would be able to have both. I need the 3070ti for video editing but I want the a380 for encoding.
what’s the other shooter Game he is showing here besides Halo? Game looks interesting
Splitgate!
@@EposVox thanks King 👑
I hope twitch is watching :)
Same
Hahahahah😂 nice!
They’ll be watching, alright. Not sure about acting though 😂
Hope they act on AV1 soon. They could really use it
I doubt they are too keen on investing in the transcoding hardware. And source streaming AV1 is still basically a no go at this point due to limited decoding support on devices most commonly used for viewing
I have been waiting for this. Glad to hear that it is headed our way. I use AV1 encoding on my Arc380 and love the quality and low overall overhead on my PC. Streaming AV1 is going to be a game changer for sure. Downside is that I game in 1080p so no 4k streaming, but I do upscale my recordings to 4k from 1080p using AV1 encoding in Davinci Resolve and the results are unbelievable.
You could upscale within OBS and save a step!
@@EposVox Do I need to adjust my bitrate to do that? I currently record at 25Mbps CBR. I know that is high for 1080, but I have found that @ 1080/60 25Mbps gives a better quality than 12Mbps or lower. Unless I'm missing something.
Recording should be done with CQP values, not CBR. But for upscaling 25mbps is plenty for av1 1440p60
@@EposVox ideally yeah, but CQP for quicksync AV1 is bugged in the current patch.
Until it's patched it's better to overshoot on CBR, then edit it down.
Yesterday I have tested stream with 1080p upscaling it to AV1 1440p 60fps only @ CBR 12000mbps and stream looks much better than my previous one which was h264 1080p 60fps. The benefit of upscaling is due forcing yt to use vp9 codec. At same time I was also streaming to my friend over discord also with AV1 1080p 60fps and he said it was much better quality than x265.
WOW, I'm loving this. Thanks, Adam for keeping us all up to date with AV1 it's beautiful. It's so awsome.
What im most interested in is 120fps for streaming. you can have a "watchable" 1080p 120fps stream with intel QSV from OBS in twitch in some games, but imagine how it could be with AV1. Or if youtube supported 120fps now that it supports AV1. Hope there is twitch support soon or a 120fps option soon for youtube :d
Twitch did support 120 fps for a long time
Twitch supports 120 fps. I stream at 720p120fps and my friend does the same. It works. In settings it says it's 720p60 but it really is 720p120. But you have to use Source quality. It also got huge benefits for RUclips because when you upload you original 120 fps file to RUclips, video gonna be slightly smoother than when uploading typical 60 fps file - youtube encoding is more consistent when it works with more frames even though you end up with 60 fps in the end.
@@JonaFolgt i mean, thats what i said in the comment...
This looks freeking awesome!! Great job by the OBS devs team and RUclips 🎉
This is really exciting for someone starting out and trying to grow. Quality isn't all you need, but it sure doesn't hurt.
It's finally happening! I've been waiting for this since dedicated GPU AV1 encoding support was announced and have been loving every minute of using OBS to record in AV1 on my Nvidia GPU. It really is as you said a game changer, and will completely reshape the way content is streamed moving forward. Thank you for covering this.
40 series GPU?
Iam pumped for this! Thanks for sharing
Can't wait for the update to try out AV1 streaming for all new dGPUs. I hope NVIDIA and AMD follows suit. Thanks!!!
Afaik, both will also be supported at the same time as Intel, the difference is that testing weren't done with the AMD cards.
@@dsm828 when will it be compatible with amd?
@@francoos7781 ermm, been supported on OBS for quite awhile now, 'just' gotta have an rx7000 series.
This is so incredibly exciting! I've been anticipating this rollout so hard since your first videos on it and I'm so happy to see it's happening!
Do you need an Intel GPU for AV1 encoding, or can you use just a CPU? And which is the cheapest Intel CPU that has a built-in encoder?
Great work man :)
Curious if you could answer this question. I am on a 38in ultrawide 3840x1600. When I record native and upload youtube recognizes the video as 4k60 and is in UW. When I stream in AV1 and stream base resolution of 3840x1600, youtube recognizes it as only 1440p60. Why would it recognize the two as different and is there a way to stream and get the 4k option for viewers, with the base 3840x1600 res. Thanks.
Should also note, this same OBS 29.1 update is also going to (potentially, based on what i saw in the PR) open up HEVC streaming to youtube as well. So, anyone not looking to upgrade their card or get a secondary one will also be able to stream better quality with lower bandwidth as well.
That's correct, enhanced rtmp also supports HEVC streaming. But you can actually stream HEVC to RUclips already using the HLS protocol. Select RUclips HLS in the OBS streaming tab and it will become available.
hmm, i’ll have to try it
you could already stream hevc to youtube via HLS
Yes but HLS had lots of issues for some internet connections. This is a smoother route
Oh that is fucking awesome
How's AV1 on Intel vs Nvidia vs AMD latest gen cards. as in quality and how much performance of the card it takes up?
Cant wait to see Epos Vox upload a video showing off all the top tier settings for the best AVI experience a streamer can have!
What kind of bitrate needed in av1 on an a750 for 1080p60?
if IRL streams are already great at 1080p 30 fps 6000 Mbps with HEVEC, imagine how good this is going to be reducing bandwidth and sending even better image!!
Or the mobile carriers/ISPs use these bandwidth savings and delay further infrastructure upgrades and throttle their users, so everything basically stays the same ;)
Half a year ago Nvidia announced the AV1 encoder and advertised you could get better streaming quality on Twitch. Kinda funny that RUclips beat them to it.
Yeah. Twitch was THE big advocate for it and etc, but after their Principle Video Engineer left for TikTok in 2021, they’ve been quiet about it
how come i don't have the option of AV1 youtube streaming on OBS Studio??? i only have the option for AMD HW AV1 for OBS recording on my high-end rx7900xtx video card...
Probably need to sign out/back in to the RUclips integration
This is so exciting! Is anyone familiar with any open source libraries for implementing enhance RTMP on the server side that doesn't require I implement the spec directly? I couldn't find any.
0:32 what is the name of the game?
For recording in 1440p60 with AV1, I set my CQP level to 14. I read that's mostly lossless and no point to go lower. Do you agree?
can you sample a live stream at 8000 kbit 1080p av1 on Witcher 3 max grass settings in a sunny scene with lots of movements?
I’m not doing any 1080p samples because 1080p still looks horrible on RUclips, regardless of what you send them. Even if you’re playing in 1080p, just upscale to 1440p in obs
Eposvox you had a video about OBS that talked about full range vs partial range settings, and I can't find the video anymore
OBS STUDIO: Full vs Partial Color Ranges EXPLAINED (Limited vs Legal) Streaming RGB Range StreamLabs
ruclips.net/video/7kjZZNT5js4/видео.html
@@EposVox Thank you so much for this video!!!! You have a very great channel also
Thanks!@@iAmScope2
Great vid but honestly it’s extremely hard to see the difference in compression quality between codecs when the bit rate is so high. If you dropped it to like 1Mbps there would be a DRAMATIC difference between x264 and av1
Will youtube rtmps plus also replace youtube hls?
For my dual PC setup in the streaming PC i have a rtx 3070. You think it would be better to switch to intel arc for the streaming PC?
if the second pc is only for streaming might be worth to sell the rtx 3070 and pick up a arc. the arc is going to do alot worse for gaming compared to the rtx 3070, only place I can think of it winning is encoding. I personally wouldn't make the switch yet
Can you write settings for recording game in 4K and 60FPS ?
8:10 why is there 8Mbit ans 4Mbit on same part, which is valid ?
What do "Subjective Video Enhancements" do in the encoder settings? 4:00
do we have to use RTMPS or HLS for the "Service" setting in OBS settings?
RTMPS
i tried rtmps and av1 and it said unssuported code in youtube firefox page
Do you know where I can find more information on RTMP+? Thank you!
Linked the Github update in the description!
How do we test playing them? Are there VODs for those AV1 stream tests in the video?
In the description
so happy to see us finally turning the corner here. Higher quality at extreme bandwidth savings is soo nice.
Wait WHAT! @EposVox. Ya need to explain how to add an ARC Card into your main Gaming Rig to use the Arc Card as a Dec Streaming Card. I thought using two GPUS is bad as it cuts down the Express Lanes used on both your Gaming GPU and Streaming GPU. I thought it is always better to just do Dual PCS for streaming / Recording
Just upgraded to an rtx 4070 this morning solely because of your av1 videos.appreciate it because there's not a ton of youtubers doing a ton of content covering av1 like you have
Hey Max,
What settings are you running for your OBS? I just got mine and I'm having issues finding the correct settings as I play 1080p but apparently, it is not recommended...
@@thegstoic for recording im doing mkv encoder>nvidia nvenc av1 rescale output 1920x1080 rate control cqp cq level 20....preset p6>high quality>single pass
@@MaxMilly_85 For streaming? Also how is peformance whilst doing any of those? Do you drop many frames?
@@thegstoic no sorry that's for recording, haven't tested stream yet but for recording it's smooth no drop frames
So if I am understanding this correctly when this OBS beta is released only an Intel ARC GPU will be able to livestream to RUclips via AV1 and not a gpu such as a 4090?
How's the delay when streaming AV1 to RUclips? No doubt it's a beefier codec for YT to transcode to VP9, the delay between what's live and your chat activity could be problematic if it's too long. This was a big reason some avoided 4K streaming even when RUclips supported it.
sooo uhh what about twitch 😂
We’ll see
I am confused with the comment not to stream at 1080p Ionly have 1080p should I force OBS to stream at the 4k res even if my setup is only 1080p?
My recommendation would be to upscale to 1440p in OBS for RUclips yes
I already own a high end GPU but would love to try AV1 streaming.
Have you tried using an Intel ARC card as a secondary GPU, running the game on an Nvidia or AMD GPU, and encoding with the Intel card? I'm guessing it's theoretically possible, but i wonder if having Intel ARC control center installed alongside Nvidia Control Panel or AMD's software would cause problems, and if sending the frame buffer from the main GPU to the secondary GPU for encoding would cause performance issues?
Thanks EpoxVox, your content is amazing.
New to av1 so bare with me. If I wanted to do a 2 pc set up & game on my 3080 then encode/stream on an Intel gpu. That would be possible here in the future?
i can't get quicksync to work in OBS. the error message always shows that it is unavailable. do I have to plug a monitor into the card or something? I have the Intel ARC drivers installed. I have an nvidia 3000 card as my main and secondary monitors.
16 mbps bitrate is perfect for av1 Intel Arc a380, in RUclips stream with 1440p60 res , shooters games? 😮
How well does the encorder do if the arc isn't in a 16x slot? Watching Linus daily drive arc and seeing so many inconsistencies for just gaming; I am wondering if it would be worth putting it in a suboptimal slot as just an encoding card. Granted I don't use ray tracing so I use my tensor cores for encoding only but if AV1 is that much better what is the prospect of just arc for encoding.
I know the A380 is only even x8 electrically, I’m not certain about the other two off-hand. But for just encoding it should be fine
@@EposVox I am just thinking about value for casual streams; which I believe would be a no until twitch rolls out AV1 acceptance at arc's current price.
@@EposVox did you maybe test if with the new ryzen 7000 boards, which have a dedicated PCIe x16 and PCIe x4 slot connected to CPU(some asrock b650 boards like livemixer), main GPU still suffer degraded performance when using second card just for encoding?
I wish intel would release an a380 with no need for 8 pin power. To have that encoding factor in a small form factor would be awesome.
Yeah MSI apparently launched a LP A380 with no power pin in China. Would be a sick budget encoding machine. Like an i5-7500 optiplex with an LP A380 for like $200!
Is it possible to have your stream save on the hard drive at the same time as being uploaded just in case the streaming service messes with the vod?
Yep! In record settings, just choose "use stream encoder" and remember to record (or set in General Settings) to automatically record when streaming
i added to my system an arc a380... i dont see av1 hw intel encoder in the list. any idea?
with a rtx graphics card, what do i use? SVT-AV1 or AOM-AV1 and what bitrate etc
New sub! Would love to see a full video of advanced settings.
Ive just built with a 7900xtx and 7800x3d and trying to lose minimal frames in game
🚉We've been at the hype train station just waiting for this to be picked up.
Great video, Addie! 💜💙
Arc a750 for 225$ or rx 6650 xt for 270$ what's the best choice for the price? ( we don't have rx 6700 here)?
Is RTX 40 series or Intel ARK AV1 higher quality? I am thinking of picking ARC A380 as secondary AV1 streaming card? It honestly looks amazing
Honestly they’re all pretty neck in neck. Especially after running through RUclips compression it’s not going to matter. Pick what you can afford!
choo choo. cant wait to put AV1 on my main rig. guess my ARC a380 in my SFF pc is going to used for now lol
is there a potential quality difference for uploading with nvenc hevc with the new 29.1 beta 4 update? I have a GTX 1660 and I've been waiting for the next big step in quality for an upgrade path. Turing's NVENC was a step up from previous generations, is NVIDIA's AV1 on the 40xx series also an NVENC implementation? The a770 16gb is a tempting upgrade path as there's been several major performance improvements with driver revisions and my b450 and 5800x3d support re-bar so I shouldn't have any performance issues with it. I'm probably going to mess around with hevc nvenc in the meantime.
AV1 encode is available on RTX 40 series (and some others) The ada cards are on the matrix chart showing support for AV1 encode.
Yep, covered in multiple videos
The problem with the 4000 series cards is that the cheapest one is $800. Intel offers a budget alternative for people who just need the AV1 encoding.
I realize this is an Intel sponsored video, but will the AV1 streaming be possible for nvidia RTX 30 series? If yes, then would it be viable to both stream and play video games on the same GPU, just like we do with NVENC right now?
30 series does not have AV1 encoding, only 40 series. But you would be able to use HEVC with this update
With AV1 streaming coming soon to RUclips would I be able to benefit from it having an upload speed of 4-5mbps at home?
Thank you!
Could you add some H.265 comparators in a future video?
For content archival, I’d love to know if Intel’s hardware AV1 is beating X265 medium or slow yet.
Does OBS support bframes for AV1 on Arc finally? When I tried it didn't.
AV1 doesn’t have b-frames, that’s a patented feature of H26X afaik
I've been recording using HEVC for a while now, and I can't wait to be able to use it for streaming as well. I tried it a bit with HLS and the quality is very impressive, but unfortunately the delay with HLS is massive.
I would love to see a video testing out having an NVIDIA 3000 series GPU and one of those Intel ARC GPUs in a single computer, to see what kind of performance and quality you could expect from adding ARC cards just for encoding.
RUclips stream latency is based on resolution. At 4K it’s like 25s. But for 1440p it’s only 5-7s. 1080p is around 2s.
I think 1440p is the sweet spot as 5s delay isn’t terrible and getting VP9 transcoding does wonders for quality.
TLDR 1440p 60fps HEVC HLS -> VP9 only has a ~5s delay and looks great.
@@MoChuang343 yea because with 1080p you are able to use "Ultra low-latency" setting. With 1440p that isn't available. When I was trying HEVC HLS I was getting ~20 second delay on my 1440p stream, but maybe there was something else going on, need to try it again.
Edit: Tried it again. 1440p 60fps stream with RTMP had a 7-second delay. With the same resolution and FPS, HLS had a 14-second delay. You don't even get to choose the delay with HLS like with RTMP, so it is what you get.
@@Nilvarcus I know it do this wrong but it works. Setup an RTMP stream key in RUclips and use it in OBS abut with the HLS protocol. See what that does to your latency.
@@MoChuang343 I tried this and it definitely improved latency, but caused other issues. It was working great for about an hour, and then started doing weird things. Now I tested with OBS 29.1 beta build and streaming with HEVC works perfectly without any added delay.
@@Nilvarcus good to know. Thanks. You were using the new RTMP protocol with HEVC in OBS 29.1? I’m excited for it to officially drop.
Could you test how well dGPU hardware accelerated AV1 encoding works with the dGPU being connected to the main system via Thunderbolt, so limited to PCIe 3.0 x4?
If we encode the stream in AV1 codec, the users on the receiver end will they be able to play back the video easily ?
@EposVox
Is it true that if you put something like 15-20k as bitrate that some of your viewers won't be able to watch the stream due to their poor internet connection?
Nope, RUclips transcodes all your streams to a format viewers can watch. If they can’t watch the max resolution option, they can select a lower quality
You think its worth getting an intel gpu just to encode streams and running dual gpu setup for that purpose
Would you recommend it for recording?
Can you use Intel UHD Graphics 770 that comes on the 13900k, to encode AV1 on a secondary streaming PC, to stream to youtube?
iGPU doesn’t have av1 encoding
@@EposVox Ty Adam for the reply. Interesting it doesn't have the encoder, im going to order a A380, since you mention it would be equal in terms of encoding to the A770/A750.
I just wonder if a 3080ti/non 40 series cards will be able to use it at some point too?
No, only 40 series has the hardware encoders.
How would the Arc cards handle streaming + local recording at the same time with different bit rates, so actual two encodings at the same time. I might have to check reviews to see how it works vs. Nvidia's stuff in Adobe Media Encoder now that we might get a 4060 (which will probably be a lot more expensive than the Arc cards).
Appreciate this video. Helped a ton!
Who’s the person that does BluRay encoding and can we be friends? That sounds like a really wild gig
Do the 40 series laptop cards have the same results? Would love to see some testing if possible!
👀 I would also like to know
So now do you think its possible to game and stream on A770 at the same time while using Av1 without any issues?
What's the difference between SVT-AV1 & AOM AV1?
I can use both, the first 1 seems to be too much for my computer though.
OBS 29.1.3
I am streaming with XSplit and Arc750, but whenever I try to stream QuickSync AV1 to RUclips, I get an error. RUclips doesn’t accept it, also I can’t find rtmp+ in the stream settings. Did I miss something? Is this not live yet?
XSplit probably doesn’t have updated RTMP support yet lol
The build for OBS doesn’t even release until tomorrow and I’ve not heard of XSplit’s plans to implement it. Stuff was basically just finalized this week
amazing to see people exited for such quality at 6, 11 or 15mbps. those are very high bitrates for "well / properly" encoded content. I see more improvement on ISP speeds than compression.
“Well / properly encoded content” aka, not real-time…
My RTX 4080 is ready to jump into my dedicated stream PC instead old trusty 1660 super... I am streaming in 1440p for YEARS now.... and I really hope I can improove further my stream video sharpness and quality overall while pushing approx 25000 bitrate (for 1440p) on my OBS...
Did you try any games that have lots of foliage? this has always been one of the biggest issues with streaming games that have a ton of foliage we know it looks like crap on live stream so does av1 help with this a lot?
Why does it still say 'vp09' on my 4K 60fps Live Streams when I Live Stream with NVIDIA NVENC AV1 through OBS to RUclips with RTMPS?
Because all HEVC/AV1 streams are transcoded to VP9 for viewers, as explained in the video
@@EposVox Thanks for the quick reply!
My Live Streams have a lot of fast motion and I am going to attempt 18000 Kbps CBR instead of VBR 20000 Kbps to 24000 Kbps.
I just noticed that you confirmed it after I typed the question but I was hoping that maybe they have updated it since you made this video, and maybe I needed to do a custom Stream Key.
I'm going to just stick to RTMPS, Primary RUclips ingest server and see how it looks. Cheers! :)
At 4K 60fps*
How do you check the quality of your stream to evaluate your bitrate?
So we need a 4000 series GPU or that Intel GPU to use av1?
7000 AMD GPUs but I hear OBS support for AMD will come later than intel and Nvidia.
So can the arc GPU be used as a capture card while using a separate GPU as the gaming card? I have a 5700 XT and I'm interested in AV1, not necessarily for live streaming yet, but for recording and posting on RUclips. Will this be if any use for my case in particular?
This is how I use two GPUs - a Radeon 6900 XT for gaming and a GeForce 3050 for image encoding using NVENC. It works great, the frame buffer flies over PCI-E flawlessly with minimal load on the platform. If Intel hasn't blocked anything hardware-wise, it should also work with Arc on OBS
Will AV1 work with Mac M1/M2?
Following
Can you make comparison video of RUclips h265 streaming in hls option vs av1 streaming
Hello! If I have a 3080 10G can I add an Intel GPU to stream and play with the 3080?
Im a bit of a noob on this. I have a 4070 ti. Am i able to stream using av1 to youtube if so what codec to i select? Hvec? or are we still waiting for the nvidia av1 streaming codec? Sorry if the question is dumb
Yes you can, you’d choose AV1
will RTX 30 series cards be able to run/support AV1 encoding?
30 series only has decode (playback) capability, not encode. But you can still send HEVC with this update, which is still better than H264!
Tested this morning. This is AMAZING!
Can I run the Intel Arc card as a 2nd GPU and use that for streaming and keep my RTX3080 as my local use card?
Disregard I think he answered this around the 1/3rd point in the video lol
Is there a fidelity difference between NVENC AV1 and SVT AV1? I tried doing my own experiments on SVT AV1 vs NVENC HEVC, and the latter maintained higher levels of detail, so I wanted to know if they were the same.
did u ever get an answer to your question?
4K 60 @ 10-15 Mb/s is crazy! Great video and hype 👌
Just to be clear, does this allow usage of av1 with any 30 series gpus?
30 series does not have the hardware for AV1 encoding, only decoding (playback)
@@EposVox ah okay. Thanks!
But you can still use HEVC with this update and have better results than H264
@EposVox ok! Thanks I'll check to make sure I'm using that. I'm still a novice with understanding different encoders. You and your video definitely help a lot. Much appreciated!
@EposVox What if i game on a rx 6700 or nvidia 3060 but put a intel arc in the same computer for av1 how would that effect my preformance and input lag and all those little things ?
Hold on, I have a system with 5800x3d with a 6900xt, I can also use the A770 with my setup in one PC?
your 1440p60 @ 500kbps looks close to the same as my 1440p60 at 8-12 Mbps I use AV1 and I have the bandwidth so not sure what I should do
Sounds like you should stream 8-12mbps
Is it worth buying an Arc A310 as a second AV1 encode/decode GPU only?
I would also like to now!
I want to get an a380 because right now it's $119 but my streaming computer has a 3070ti. I just don't know how I would be able to have both. I need the 3070ti for video editing but I want the a380 for encoding.
Is AMD HW AV1 possible yet? Are you planing to test that?
Will be possible in the beta, alongside Nvidia and Intel. Tho, testings weren't done with the AMD cards.