I generally agree with this and have always operated this way, however, it’s always ended up with me being overloaded with work and responsibilities well beyond my pay grade and an implied deference from everyone else. I become the indispensable go to person for EVERYTHING and it all falls apart whenever I’m not around. This never translates into higher pay for me though because why would a company pay me more when I already do so much for them at a discount. I take pride in everything that I do and I refuse to do anything half way. This has made it difficult for me to be just a drone for anyone else.
Not bad advice just two different worlds. In the work world you can’t fire them because it goes against company bottom line and their diversity money from the government…….
I work at a big box Department hardware store, and we often hire teenagers or adults who seem apathetic or don't care. They're just there to collect a paycheck or doing this as a job until something better comes along. Sometimes it's their second job and they really don't care if they lose it. How do you motivate them? And firing them really isn't that easy, my company has so many hoops to jump through to get rid of someone. Every time I take ownership of a task. They seemingly disappeared from the Department, and go chit chat with somebody. I'm not talking about a single person either, multiple people, over multiple years. Also how do I keep good workers; who get better offers from other companies when I'm not authorized to pay them more?
That's an issue with the economy as a whole. Fuck breaking your back for a company that sees you as replaceable. I'm in a professional sales environment and I have done jockos advice as second nature. Home Depot? When I worked there, fuck rhat place. I was given so much duty for minimum wage.
But what if you are dealing with a person who simply won't learn to take ownership? and then the dynamic between you just becomes you taking all responsibility while they simply wont care whether they did things right or not... I know Jocko said that then you just fire the person... but here's the gist: you're not that person's boss... and you don't have a direct line of communication with the person that is (nor you can have it)... I like this philosophy of extrene ownership, I use it myself, but the problem is people that won't align with it because they just don't have that level of commitment( reponsibility)...
In some settings, you literally cannot take ownership of the problem and fix it. That’s called, “Stepping on toes.” Office settings are inefficient messes, but that’s how they often work.
You need to respect the chain of command - you can't attempt to do your boss's job for them. Taking ownership in that case means building a positive relationship with your boss and doing your best to support them, so that you're able to get what you need from them so that your team can succeed.
Really trying to work on these principles...it's been hard trying to check the ego cuz you wanna do the opposite. Put the negative on others and take the positive for yourself. But that's not the way...I gotta keep getting after it.
JOCKO, YOU'RE AWESOME! Watched your PragerU video, great stuff! And a badly needed sermon on LIFE 101! Keep it up, we need more BEASTS in this sick world!
Woooo! This is new and feels unaturally difficult. I have a subordinate that has complained and outright said they aren't doing one simple task that the entire team is onboard doing. Aside from this they have already displayed the inability/want to be a team player. The kind of person you give an inch they take a mile. I feel like if I keep doing their tasks they are going to feel like they can do whatever they want and maybe that's the best outcome. As I write this I'm kind of starting to grasp this philosophy, I think. 1 of 2 things is going to happen. 1: My picking up of their tasks will embolden them to behave in the workplace however they want causing bigger rifts between teammates and personnel essentially making this difficult person a major outcast in our environemnt making it a place unbearable to work in and they'll eventually quit from the reflection of themselves through the mirror of that environment or 2. Because they notice a change in teammates towards them by their behavior and lack of ability to do simple tasks they will feel the need to prove their competence in the environment to garner some kind of respect back from their teammates. Love it. I'm just there to facilitate success and taking extreme ownership building toward the goal of success.
What if you are one of the subordinates and you constantly have to take ownership for the shortcomings and failures of other subordinates and your supervisor sees the issues and does absolutely nothing to fix the problem?
When its a positive thing, when you can give someone ownership of a moving forward situation, give it, share it. When its a negative thing, when a moving backward situation is occurring and you have the chance to give that to someone (possibly a person who is moving backward), take it, own that, that is leadership. I rewound the last 30 seconds of the vid like 10 times to hear that again and again until I 100% understood what he was saying. This is genius level stuff, people. Thank you Jocko and Echo, this is amazing content. Knife twirling and combat knife-wielding included ;-)
The problem I'm having is the person's deoptimization is not being realized or addressed by management. I'd like to think I'm taking and doing as much as I can, working beyond my pay grade and keeping my mouth shut if I have nothing nice to say. But it feels like I'm the only one noticing the short comings and resistance. So I see my part, which is I want to be doing their job. So I've drafted a polite and professional appeal to ask for more and different responsibility and that I'd like more time doing the other person's position (obviously not saying it like that)
What if the co-worker is not a subordinate but on the same level in the hierarchy as you are? I would fix the problem on spot whatever that is and then if the thing happens again... Report. If I would fix the problems the other guy creates every damn time I would get resentful and dangerous for the whole mission, no good.
Jocko, in my life, the person who is resistant and unwilling to change and unwilling to take responsibility is my own mother. I have to live with my own mother for the next 2 to 3 years and I cannot get rid of her. In situations where you cannot get rid of the person, and the person continues to be resistant to change, what is the optimal and best strategy to deal with these people effectively so you can still achieve the family’s mission and goals?
@Jocko This is interesting and definitely useful to learn. However, in the perspective where you are NOT the leader, and your leaders are typically bad at taking ownership... How does this same method translate. When you are always taking ownership of the problems but the leaders never seem to stop manufacturing new ones. I guess I'm partly asking if leadership should be assumed in every position, just with a separate tactic. @Jocko
I think I would agree that the tactic described is great in organizations with aligned goals, and especially in urgent or emergent scenarios, but it seems like there may also be instances when a leader would be hard pressed to take on more projects that are less of a priority, but still need to be done well, combined with at least short term situations where team members/leaders need behavioral guidance. The way i learned to take ownership of problems like that, is to maintain focus on the conduct that is being called into question, while going on a fact finding mission first, because the cause or causes of the constraint needs to be revealed. It may not even end being the person accused, or the person doing the accusing, or even anything intentionally hatched.
Better training..I addressed to my boss....he didn't take ownership..they play the game ..should I quit...? I cannot afford to quit...they are making me feel less than...
@@slappy8941 And you know we could not have been studying the blade while watching a youtube video how? Or might you be doing a bit of psychological projecting at this point? LOL
I generally agree with this and have always operated this way, however, it’s always ended up with me being overloaded with work and responsibilities well beyond my pay grade and an implied deference from everyone else. I become the indispensable go to person for EVERYTHING and it all falls apart whenever I’m not around. This never translates into higher pay for me though because why would a company pay me more when I already do so much for them at a discount. I take pride in everything that I do and I refuse to do anything half way. This has made it difficult for me to be just a drone for anyone else.
Same here, this is a bad advice.
Not bad advice just two different worlds. In the work world you can’t fire them because it goes against company bottom line and their diversity money from the government…….
@@LastRebel1978 are you responding to the person that claimed this was bad advice? I never said that it was.
Is Echo secretly a hostage? Jocko is obviously holding him at blade point to host his podcast!
Echo is too jacked to be anyone's hostage
When Jocko greets Echo at the start of each podcast, you can practically feel the blade point press against his skin
Echo's arms are about to explode😂
Does he use roids or inject synthol ? If he is just a savage who works out then that's badass
don't know what's scarier...
echos' arms or a knife welding jocko.
How can he even have biceps that big. It's bigger than my head
The blade just seems to add so much more umph behind the advice.
I work at a big box Department hardware store, and we often hire teenagers or adults who seem apathetic or don't care. They're just there to collect a paycheck or doing this as a job until something better comes along. Sometimes it's their second job and they really don't care if they lose it. How do you motivate them? And firing them really isn't that easy, my company has so many hoops to jump through to get rid of someone.
Every time I take ownership of a task. They seemingly disappeared from the Department, and go chit chat with somebody. I'm not talking about a single person either, multiple people, over multiple years.
Also how do I keep good workers; who get better offers from other companies when I'm not authorized to pay them more?
Why are they apathetic or seemingly not interested? Have you asked them?
I need an update, this is exactly my issue too
Go to a new job bro
@@alejandroe5573 That's not solving the problems that's running from them.
That's an issue with the economy as a whole. Fuck breaking your back for a company that sees you as replaceable. I'm in a professional sales environment and I have done jockos advice as second nature. Home Depot? When I worked there, fuck rhat place. I was given so much duty for minimum wage.
But what if you are dealing with a person who simply won't learn to take ownership? and then the dynamic between you just becomes you taking all responsibility while they simply wont care whether they did things right or not...
I know Jocko said that then you just fire the person... but here's the gist: you're not that person's boss... and you don't have a direct line of communication with the person that is (nor you can have it)...
I like this philosophy of extrene ownership, I use it myself, but the problem is people that won't align with it because they just don't have that level of commitment( reponsibility)...
Great podcast. Thanks Echo for the flow of videos.
*Those people are emotional and holding your ground in a stable way, should help to deal with them.*
Feed them orange thread
Really appreciate your advice and rationale, thank you for your service!
God Bless
In some settings, you literally cannot take ownership of the problem and fix it. That’s called, “Stepping on toes.”
Office settings are inefficient messes, but that’s how they often work.
You need to respect the chain of command - you can't attempt to do your boss's job for them. Taking ownership in that case means building a positive relationship with your boss and doing your best to support them, so that you're able to get what you need from them so that your team can succeed.
Really trying to work on these principles...it's been hard trying to check the ego cuz you wanna do the opposite. Put the negative on others and take the positive for yourself. But that's not the way...I gotta keep getting after it.
JOCKO, YOU'RE AWESOME!
Watched your PragerU video, great stuff! And a badly needed sermon on LIFE 101!
Keep it up, we need more BEASTS in this sick world!
This video was so helpful thank you
This podcast is an SOP
It is all about perspective. Powerful told
Woooo! This is new and feels unaturally difficult. I have a subordinate that has complained and outright said they aren't doing one simple task that the entire team is onboard doing. Aside from this they have already displayed the inability/want to be a team player. The kind of person you give an inch they take a mile. I feel like if I keep doing their tasks they are going to feel like they can do whatever they want and maybe that's the best outcome. As I write this I'm kind of starting to grasp this philosophy, I think. 1 of 2 things is going to happen. 1: My picking up of their tasks will embolden them to behave in the workplace however they want causing bigger rifts between teammates and personnel essentially making this difficult person a major outcast in our environemnt making it a place unbearable to work in and they'll eventually quit from the reflection of themselves through the mirror of that environment or 2. Because they notice a change in teammates towards them by their behavior and lack of ability to do simple tasks they will feel the need to prove their competence in the environment to garner some kind of respect back from their teammates. Love it. I'm just there to facilitate success and taking extreme ownership building toward the goal of success.
Every Jocko video feels like a kick directly in the pants.
DAM! I learned son NEW every time 💪
What if a coworker bosses you around? And what if your boss doesn’t care and is just there to sit and yell at people? I have this problem...
What if you are one of the subordinates and you constantly have to take ownership for the shortcomings and failures of other subordinates and your supervisor sees the issues and does absolutely nothing to fix the problem?
Love this suggestions.
Echo looking JAAAAAAACCKKEEED,
When its a positive thing, when you can give someone ownership of a moving forward situation, give it, share it. When its a negative thing, when a moving backward situation is occurring and you have the chance to give that to someone (possibly a person who is moving backward), take it, own that, that is leadership. I rewound the last 30 seconds of the vid like 10 times to hear that again and again until I 100% understood what he was saying. This is genius level stuff, people. Thank you Jocko and Echo, this is amazing content. Knife twirling and combat knife-wielding included ;-)
amazing, amen and thank you from taiwan 🙏
I look forward to jockos new book "switchblade essays"
Yup...let them dig themselves into a hole. But you do the mission. Work around that person.
who else is concerned about the knife in his hand
Wow this was an awesome viewpoint
Thanks joko
This doesn’t work in civilian life. If you take ownership you are making that slackers life easier and they’re getting away with it
The problem I'm having is the person's deoptimization is not being realized or addressed by management. I'd like to think I'm taking and doing as much as I can, working beyond my pay grade and keeping my mouth shut if I have nothing nice to say. But it feels like I'm the only one noticing the short comings and resistance. So I see my part, which is I want to be doing their job. So I've drafted a polite and professional appeal to ask for more and different responsibility and that I'd like more time doing the other person's position (obviously not saying it like that)
Great video
Take em down, pass guard, say shit about his mother, see what he gives you and crush it.
Lol
I'm on board!!! And I am put on defensive....
What if the co-worker is not a subordinate but on the same level in the hierarchy as you are?
I would fix the problem on spot whatever that is and then if the thing happens again... Report.
If I would fix the problems the other guy creates every damn time I would get resentful and dangerous for the whole mission, no good.
then your problem is not the guy but your management.
@@TessaTickle Legit. I Agree.
Do any of these principles translate to lower economic fields like fast food?
Yes another Jocko vid while waving a stiletto!!!
I would like to know how to deal with a fellow supervisor that isn't on board with the rest of the supervisors.
put the knife down Jocko, its just charles!
Jocko, in my life, the person who is resistant and unwilling to change and unwilling to take responsibility is my own mother.
I have to live with my own mother for the next 2 to 3 years and I cannot get rid of her.
In situations where you cannot get rid of the person, and the person continues to be resistant to change, what is the optimal and best strategy to deal with these people effectively so you can still achieve the family’s mission and goals?
Hahahahahahahaha
Am I the only one who watched Jocko waving his knife around the whole video?
Not at all, I couldn't get over how he held it so casually, as if it was a pencil or something lol
What a beast
@Jocko This is interesting and definitely useful to learn. However, in the perspective where you are NOT the leader, and your leaders are typically bad at taking ownership... How does this same method translate. When you are always taking ownership of the problems but the leaders never seem to stop manufacturing new ones. I guess I'm partly asking if leadership should be assumed in every position, just with a separate tactic. @Jocko
I think I would agree that the tactic described is great in organizations with aligned goals, and especially in urgent or emergent scenarios, but it seems like there may also be instances when a leader would be hard pressed to take on more projects that are less of a priority, but still need to be done well, combined with at least short term situations where team members/leaders need behavioral guidance. The way i learned to take ownership of problems like that, is to maintain focus on the conduct that is being called into question, while going on a fact finding mission first, because the cause or causes of the constraint needs to be revealed. It may not even end being the person accused, or the person doing the accusing, or even anything intentionally hatched.
First one on the comment feed? Maybe not. First one to GET AFTER IT? Check.
I am put on the defensive...so in training the info is not forthcoming...I'm being discriminated against...communication is a major problem....
Better training..I addressed to my boss....he didn't take ownership..they play the game ..should I quit...? I cannot afford to quit...they are making me feel less than...
Jocko is my church 🙏
lol why does he have a knife in his hand :D
Jocko is not pointing fingers. But, that knife is a bit intimidating.
You just failed the test.
JOCKO
Centurions from Mumbai, got my cooler. They took my spider jars into prison. I said, I'm gonna let you do this.
Is that a secret code? Or did you have a stroke?
@@slappy8941 cowboys and anthrax
Great
Working with a lazy person infuriates me.
wow i listen much more carefully when a man is waving a knife in my face
Why are his legs attached to his shoulders????
I hate my job and life.
Adam Johnson been there bro... Hang in there.
Why would Echo get defensive with a knife being pointed at him 🤷🏻♀️
You bleed them, real slow.
Is jocko reading from something ??
I'm looking for success, but I feel like I'm being taken advantage of. Too dumb to turn this positive
People are messy
This makes you sound gritty, but it's rarely good in practice in the corporate world. Usually, the best route is to escalate.
Why is jocko holding a knife ? 😮😥🤣
It's his "fidget spinner"
@@KagedTyrant LOL. Winner, winner chicken dinner. You beat me to it. 😎
While you were watching RUclips, he was studying the blade.
@@slappy8941 And you know we could not have been studying the blade while watching a youtube video how? Or might you be doing a bit of psychological projecting at this point? LOL
Is Echo taking steroids?
TAKEOWNERSHIP OF THE PROBLEM #GETMEWHATINEED
First one baby!!
It's clearly discrimination....