God Bless you John MacArthur 🙏🏼 My eyes have recently been opened after being in the charismatic church for 23 years. I am totally shocked, embarrassed, disappointed (in myself mainly for not knowing the word in context) ashamed because of all the people I have influenced. On the positive side I am set free. I feel born again, again. A load has been taken off that I didn’t even realise was there. This is true freedom in Christ. Wow!! And it’s so easy! Matt 11:28. I am reading the Bible now like never before. I didn’t even really know what context meant 🤦🏻♀️ The Charismatic Movement filled me with self, emotions, imagination, dreams, living in hope and trust from all the words and prophecies I received, waiting patiently for them to come to pass and never did. But you still live in hope because if not, you lack faith and trust. Now coming out of it I realise I was living in make believe, which as much as I loved and served faithfully, I was actually very self centred, waiting for all my desires, hopes, prophecies and words to come to pass. So extremely messed up. So deceived. And I would defend this movement and think the person I am now (in the truth and set free) was actually the deceived one and not lead by the Holy Spirit or didn’t have the Holy Spirit at all. I have never repented so much much in my life. I now live for Christ and Christ alone and I’m soooo excited and very humbled and grateful to our beautiful sovereign God. I am also very grateful for all the biblical preachers 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 John MacArthur, Billy Crone, Justin Peters, Voddie Baucham, Susan Heck and many many more. I humbly thank you 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🥰
The Strange Fire conference changed my life.... Left charismatic churches and found a loving baptist church. I've been able to know God deeper than just personal experiences and feelings 🙌
This man has guts. He has done the unthinkable - he has challenged the Charismatic movement!! His SF conference was the best thing I have ever come across in explaining the issues. I wish he had done this years ago - and saved me from all the heartache and failed prophecies I experienced as a Charismatic. Thank you Lord Jesus for this man and those who stood with him at SF.
Denouncing a doctrine because of excesses in people's lives, through a false doctrine, may bring peace to some, but it won't make any friends in heaven.
It's actually painful to hear a prominent pastor smear God-fearing, Jesus-loving, expository-preaching brothers in Christ who speak for truth and influence our culture in many positive ways, such as Calvary Chapel.
I was 35 years in the Charismatic movement. It took a major confrontation with Biblical truth and an exposure to the plainly ridiculous nature of Charismaticism to smack the heresy out of me. Thanks be to God!!
I'm very grateful for the strange fire conferences, but I'm a continuationist. You don't necessarily have to be charismatic to believe that the Holy Spirit still works in the believers today. It's a very biblical concept and there's no solid biblical stance that combats that view.
John McAthur is right to call out the charismatic heresy or other foolishness associated with it. But he speaks out of the ignorance of the power of the Spirit in those who allow the Spirit to do His work in them. The point is "we must taste the spirits," but not to disregard ALL spiritual experiences, even those attributable to the Holy Spirit. If we all followed the cessationist approach of John MacArthur, how would we know "what was, is, & is to come," as the bible says the Spirit would let us know these things? Like there is a prophecy of a coming depression like crisis coming to America. How can those who follow his teachings know about this? Embracing what MacArthur is teaching is to disregard a great portion of the scriptures! How can he teach "the truth" while disregarding a portion of the scriptures? This is unheard of! And many people around the world follow his teachings! If he is an example of "the elders," surely many of us will fall in a ditch together with "the elders!"
Just listened to this sermon again. Listening to John MacArthur preach the word of God will always make me feel blessed. Thank you Father for the gift of your precious Son, the Lord Jesus, and His gift of the Holy Spirit through you Father.
I came out of an extreme Pentecostal church and MacArthur was used as part of the way God lead me out. I wish I could find a church in my area that was biblical but for now I do the live stream from Grace Community Church every Sunday with my family.
Praying for you, sista! I attend Grace Community Church and I have grown as a believer (along with my wife and four kids) since we joined 12 years ago. I also left a Pentecostal church.
"My people perish for lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6 Thank you, dear Lord for keeping us close to You, for not letting us fall into this heresy. Thank you, Pastor John for your clear and unapologetic defense of the Word of God. As a church musician it's lovely to hear the defense of our spiritual heritage in the Great Hymns of praise we have loved for centuries.
I'm from Singapore, I came from a taoist background, and I'm the only one saved in my entire family. Before I had a huge encounter with God (in a 3 days conference that happened in 2013) I had depression, suicidal thoughts all the time, anger management issues, lust, addiction to pornography, gore movies, extreme violence, negative thoughts, constantly judging people etc. Building up to that conference, somehow Holy Spirit gave me supernatural grace to fast and pray and seek Him, and I was also partly fed up with my own life of calling myself a christian but not living the life that Jesus walked in the bible. I was also previously like most of you here who were reserved about the manifestations of God. However, during the second day of that conference, I went up for an altar call and immediately I fell to the ground because the presence of the Lord was very strong. This is stated in the bible, many of the old saints couldn't even stand in the presence of the Lord. (Not because of the speakers, not because of the location, but I highly believe that it was because I publicly proclaimed that I wanted to seek Jesus with all my heart when I made that decision to walk up to the front of a church in front of 100s of people.) I couldn't even stop myself from screaming because I felt like a tiny speckle of dust in the presence of God, and instantly He chased away my depression. I felt Him cut away the ties of my past that I couldn't see but was tied to my soul. I was hungrier for God than ever ever since. During the second day, I had my dose of joy. I wouldn't term it holy laughter because it simply scares people away, there seems to be nothing holy to be deduced about it because what happens internally only the Spirit of God can see and testify. So when Jesus came to speak to me about hope, I was deeply elated, and I couldn't stop laughing. I cared about NOBODY around me, I was on the floor again in the weighty presence of God was there, healing my soul and speaking to me a lot about hope, my future, and HOW MUCH Jesus believed in me and fearfully made me for a great purpose in His kingdom. OF COURSE, if you hear these words from Jesus, would you stop laughing? No, you won't :) IT was true happiness, to the brim of my soul - I never had it before. Ever since that encounter (any more during those 3 days), it convicted me that I needed to study the Word of God faithfully to make sure that these manifestations are kept in alignment with God. And it made me hunger from then till now (so far 3 years) to seek God deeper and to seek His word deeper. Lastly, I would like to also give my thoughts about how I agree that manifestations come with both the real and the false. Demons will always try to make a fake imitation of God. We have to discern very carefully, to see the the fruits AFTER the manifestation to know whether or not it is holy and of God. We really cannot tell much when the general manifestation is happening. And finally, the more important things to chase after is to become like Jesus, to abide in His love when we make decisions and speak things about different denominations. It's not so much on focusing on the outward appearance, but the Lord always does something with the heart, and looks at the heart. Sometimes we worship movements more than God.
A charismatic Christian came into my hospital room when I was very sick and the doctors had already prepared my family for my soon coming death. He laid his hands on me and prayed. I made a supernatural recovery to the amazement of the hospital staff. I am alive, and I am a Christian today because of this.
I, too, am SO thankful for this work. I was so caught up and confused by the teachings in my former church. Thankfully a Christian friend reached out to me and just simply said, "Friend, I see some red flags with your church's doctrine...and the close association with Bethel church." Well, I inquired what she meant...and she proceeded to give me her testimony. I, in turn, did my own research and I was shocked by what I found. I didn't realize I was starting to go the "broad way"... I was reminded of many scriptural truths. I praise God for His mercy and grace. I tried to tell others in the church, but they were not as receptive...I was told I'm putting "God in a box" and "Functioning out of a place of fear"..."Father, Son and Holy Scriptures", etc. I can pray for them....and do. I love those people.
I've just discovered the teachings of this Pastor. I wish I had heard this when I was young in the 1970s. I still have Charismatic friends who are always "pushing" miracles and devoted to the preachers who are in this movement. I have been feeling so depressed because I can't get these miracles. Thank you!
I was raised in a pentecostal church. After finally hearing the gospel in my 30's and actually becoming a Christian for real this time, I decided I was going to come at the Bible like I knew nothing at all. I began to research the beliefs of my childhood. My eyes were opened that what happened on the day of Pentecost is not what is occurring today. What is happening today is a counterfeit. Jesus said it is wicked generation who look for signs and wonders. The Holy Spirit points us to Christ and Christ is enough! As someone who grew up in the midst of pentecostal chaos I am truly grateful for John Macarthur doing this conference and writing this book. Something that is past due. Thanks for posting this video. :)
I completely gave up on a Pentecostal church and now I am at Grace baptist and I am so happy. I Never worry about the service being high jacked because the Pastor says God is moving in a different direction. I wanted to thank thank you John, I use to support your ministry monthly then I had back surgery and do to pain I am unable to work so I send money when I can but you still send the partner monthly gift every month, again thank you.
You are not in a Faith building atmosphere, generally speaking, in a Baptist assembly. That is going to have greater consequences as you go on in life. You called the previous church " Pentecostal ", but that is not what a local assembly is about: how about a Christian Church, where you are taught that the Holy Spirit can be received in a separate act of faith after having received Jesus. That is wordy, but I like it better if one desires to label their Christian Church.
I thought of a compromise: stay in the Baptist Church where you are genuinely happy. Take a correspondence course to learn about Divine healing from another ministry. Healing becomes a bigger issue the older we get; everyone needs to learn about it to prepare for later years.
I pastored a church that was infiltrated by some very extreme and crazy charismatics. It was a such a painful experience. The church split over it and I'm no longer a pastor. I praise God for John MacArthur and the truth that I have finally discovered.
David Fritch What does the Bible call truth? Jesus says "Your word is truth" in His high priestly prayer. 2 Timothy 3:16 says the Bible is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness. It's the Bible that's truth, not experiences. All these special revelations don't add to the Bible, nor are they necessary for anything. All they accomplish is making those who lack faith and need a sign for reassurance feel good. That's why they're fake. It takes more faith to say, "God, this is in Your hands, and I pray Your will be done," than, "I command this to happen!" One is relying on your own faith to get things done, while the other is putting your faith wholly in God. Faith is an assurance of things unseen. Experiences aren't faith. They're unfaith. That's not even taking into account the fact that the signs gifts have ceased, and the Bible acknowledges this.
David Fritch Yes...Sometimes. Sometimes not. Reference: Our Creators (Lord Jesus Christ) wilderness temptations. Also, that the just should live by faith [in God]!
Josh Peterson I agree in part. God did & does use 'special expereinces' to help us as in many many Biblical accounts, also I hear of similar in places where the Gospel is being shared in new ground. Even hearing & answering our prayers is revealing He hears & cares. It's a difference however then chasing miracles. Note God in the flesh (Lord Jesus Christ) performed miracles but He also said this: "An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth".-Matthew 12.39-40. So go figure...
Thanks, Pastor John MacArthur, for your information. It has illuminated my understanding of the Word and removed the blinders from my eyes. My faith in the body of Christ and church leaders has been restored. After over thirty years in the charismatic movement (raised Catholic, born-again as a Charismatic Catholic, mentored in The Vineyard Church and Word of Faith churches), I am leaving after the pandemic. Enough with the chaos, deception, and manipulation! May God continue to bless you and your ministry!
I’m one of those young big people who has been brought into Reformed Theology via the internet and RUclips. I thank God for godly and biblical preachers like John MacArthur.
Thank you John ,my life has changed since I have started studying the word of God and not just reading the Word.Your ministering and preaching has made my want a deeper walk with God in the past number of years.I thank God for you and others who have the courage to stand and speak the truth of the Word of God.I have since left the foolishness for the truth and yes repented and asked God to reveal every lie with in me and expose it to the the truth of Gods word.
If you have just started studying the Word, then you have not given your previous denomination a fair chance. You will probably leave this place soon, too.
Also, referring to your previous group as foolishness is a common thing that cult members almost universally do with their former Christian affiliation. This doesn't sound good to me, Elaine: you should be cautious about suddenly " finding the true Church" ( again, the usual statement made by Mormons & Jehovah's Witnesses). I don't like what you are testifying to here. Let me guess: if you have shared my comments with any of your new leaders, they will say that I am against the truth, right? Wrong, Elaine, I am not against truth.
I have to stand with John MacArthur. He has addressed an error in the charismatic movement when many are to afraid to take the errors head on. We have felt this here where we are in the UK, with many of our charismatic friends not listening to the whole Strange fire message before condemning it. We are reformed in our theology now but I was in the word of faith movement for over 18 years and I am so thankful for people like John MacArthur who has been faithful in standing up for God's Word and the Truth it is. Strange fire has answered so many questions for me and I praise God for the courage of these men and their ministry.
In defense of Calvary Chapel, I sat under Chuck Smith's teaching for 10 years and can testify that it was 100% gospel. I know John believes that the charasmatic movement spawned off of Calvary but Calvary itself is not charasmatic. There wasn't any of the goofy things going on in there that charasmatics are doing today. No falling down, speaking in tongues, screaming, non stop hypnotic music, repetitious chanting and emotionalism. Also no, faith healing or name it and claim it and the power is in you prosperity new age teaching. Chuck taught through the Bible, cover to cover and never skipped passages on Hell or sin. He also favored many of the old hymns for worship. Yes, they allowed different styles of music but the lyrics were always Biblical. Mostly Psalms set to different music. Their attitude toward the hippies was come as you are instead of turning them away like some churches were because the men had long hair and wore sandals. He didn't want to shut them out because of the way they looked. He wanted to reach out to a lost culture strung out on drugs and given over to sexual promescuity and present them with the gospel of Jesus Christ. Many of those people got saved, transformed and some became the great pastors we have today. I have no doubt that Chuck Smith was true Biblical Christian, a Godly man and was a great teacher of the Bible. I never found any of his teaching heretical or unbiblical and am grateful for his ministry. Maybe some people came out of there and created charasmatic churches but they didn't learn that from Chuck. Sometimes I think John gets a little hung up on the clothes and the style of music. As long as the Biblical truth is being taught in the church and the worship is reverent and honest, the rest is just personal taste.
Trucker_Pete Thank you! You said exactly what I wanted to say. I’m listening to this man because I agree with him in many ways and he’s a wonderful teacher. But I attend Calvary Chapel and i have never thought of it as Charismatic! God bless you :) I actually lead worship and stay away from all the new, feel good songs that aren’t Biblically sound. I learned that from my pastor... I felt sad to hear Mr. MacArthur’s statements about CC.
@@whosoeversaved4ever474 I feel the same way. I like John MacArthur a lot and listen to his teaching regularly but he seems to have a bone to pick with Calvary that I don't really understand. I still attend Calvary and wouldn't be there if anything unbiblical or charismatic was going on there. I just felt I had to speak up for Calvary and Chuck Smith because I didn't see or hear any the charismatic behavior or false teaching that John accuses them of. Chuck Smith is one of the great teachers that has made a huge impact in this world and the lives of many of people. He should be honored as such. I think John has a very traditional view of dress, conduct and music that makes it hard for him to accept other styles as legitimate as well. He believes everything in church should look and sound a certain way or there's something wrong with it but it's just his personal taste. It only really matters how God thinks about those things anyway. Have a blessed day and weekend in Jesus Christ.
Thank you all for commenting! I am just coming out of a charismatic church/ prosperity gospel teaching church. Anyway I first came across sound teaching when I came across a podcast for Calvary chapel of Pasedena. Xavier Ríes is an awesome teacher. I recently found a Calvary chapel in my area and I too find that the teaching style is very expositional. I do like John MacArthurs teaching as well. But I was starting to question the Calvary chapel because of what John was saying at strange fire and in this video. I thank you all for confirming that Calvary chapel is a gospel teaching church!
@@followerofchrist5800 Remember that Pastor Chuck Smith authored a book 'Charisma vs. Charismania' that being said, if you've read the book you would know that Calvary Chapel does consider itself a 'charismatic' church which simply means that we believe that all the gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today and should be practiced by the Church. What Calvary Chapel is not practicing today, is the 'charismania' that many churches practice. There is an over-emphasis of the work of the Holy Spirit through the gifts that is not biblical. Calvary Chapel seeks to see the Holy Spirit move through the gifts, yet in a biblical way. Often, all the gifts are thrown out because of the controversial 'gift of tongues' but with a good study of 1 Corinthians 14, you'll see that the gift of tongues is a great gift for personal, private prayer, since it is directed to God & not to man, it is really a prayer language that builds up the believer who uses it. Not all have it, but it has great use for the believer who it has been given to by the Spirit who distributes the gift to believers as He wills.
I'm glad that I watched this video early on in the Strange Fire Conference, that and Q&A: Answering the Critics, because it enabled me to listen to the rest of it with an open mind. I now have a better understanding and appreciation of Cessationism. I truly appreciate brothers like MacArthur, RC Sproul, Steven Lawson, and Conrad Mbewe.
People might not like what he is saying..But I was blessed by the strange fire conference as many of my experiences in the NAR and WOF circles had me scratching my head as naively I thought that all that called itself church and Christian was infact church and Christian but boy was I wrong. Out of personal study of the word and seeking God He was faithful to point me in the way of truth whereby I saw/see and am convinced that God keeps His WORD the scriptures testify saying “As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him” Ps 18:30 Nothing has given me more solace like knowing I can trust His word for He watches over His word to perform it. “Then the LORD said to me, “You have seen well, for I am watching over my word to perform it.” Jeremiah 1:12 Jesus said this “sanctify them by thy truth THY WORD IS TRUTH.” John 17: 17 (Emphasis mine) Jesus words are so plain here you would have to simply not understand in order to misunderstand them! And if you seek to shroud that as if what He plainly said means something else or something “deeper” even if one used the scripture.. then YOU whosoever you are, are being dishonest and handle the word deceitfully. “ Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.” 2 Corinthians 4:1-7 Jesus also said this “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, AND THERE ARE FEW WHO FIND IT.” Matthew 7:13-14 (emphasis mine) those words are also plain as day, one would have to do some weird twisting to misunderstand them and make them mean something else even if but to themselves. “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.” (Proverbs 9:10) Be careful to judge righteous judgement for we are called to do so! And you can only do that by the fixed standard of truth..the WORD! Despite how many may “feel” this is a faithful endeavor to call all men back to the word. See that you don’t despise the Lords reproof.You know what reproof is? Rebuke, blame, disapproval and critique...and He does it in love because He knows best where errors lead and no son of His is without chastisement. And He does this by the Spirit through the Word.
God bless JMac. I thank God that he lead me to godly men who believe the bible and read it as it was intended like Pastor John and R.C Sproul. Stay strong Pastor John you are having a great impact.
I am so appreciative of the Strange Fire Conference. someone I know is involved in the Word of Faith movement and I'm praying they will find their way out.
Yes I wrote that one down, along with 10 pages of notes, I spent 20 years in a cult like religious org. In Waco Tx. Some may know what I’m talking of, tongues was a requirement and every time I spoke like that, I was always evaluating if it sounded like the elders, and every one wanted to be seen by them. I’m so glad God/Jesus/Holy Spirit helped me to escape, I am on tract, still hearing from HS ON HOW to discern the Truth.
John McAthur is right to call out the charismatic heresy or other foolishness associated with it. But he speaks out of the ignorance of the power of the Spirit in those who allow the Spirit to do His work in them. The point is "we must taste the spirits," but not to disregard ALL spiritual experiences, even those attributable to the Holy Spirit. If we all followed the cessationist approach of John MacArthur, how would we know "what was, is, & is to come," as the bible says the Spirit would let us know these things? Like there is a prophecy of a coming depression like crisis coming to America. How can those who follow his teachings know about this? Embracing what MacArthur is teaching is to disregard a great portion of the scriptures! How can he teach "the truth" while disregarding a portion of the scriptures? This is unheard of! And many people around the world follow his teachings! If he is an example of "the elders," surely many of us will fall in a ditch together with "the elders!"
Because of Drs. MacArthur and Sproul, Legonair Ministry teaching fellows, Paul Washer, Voddie Baucham, and other Reformed Pastors and Teachers the Lord delivered me from the Arminian church, Pentecostal movement, and false teachers on January 29, 2022. I was lost even though I attended many churches including Calvary Chapel. I am now Reformed in my Theology and have embraced the doctrine of election and predestination. It is most assuring to know the Lord has chosen us before the foundations of the earth and Jesus will not lose one of us that the Father gives Him. Embracing Reformed Theology has caused me to leave my former church and it seems I've lost two very good friends who said I've become apostate simply because I now embrace Reformed Theology. It's been difficult finding a church in my area that is solidly Reformed but I know the Lord will direct me to one. I believe the Lord has His elect in many false churches and in His timing, He will call them out as He has done for many of us.
I’ve only been a born again Christian for 2 yrs and I feel so blessed that the Lord brought John MacArthur into my walk with Christ, since knowing John’s theology & the truth he teaches my wife & I have been persecuted by the very church I attended to the point our pastor gave us two options, either let him guide our theology (His Charismatic) or leave! We both prayed long & hard and the Lord God our Father in Heaven has led us to an amazing Church and a wonderful pastor. 🙏🏻 Amen 🙏🏻
I came from that movement, went to 5 different churches in that movement. Yes, I too used to pole vault the pews. But God, thats all i can say. Pastor, people like me in Texas stand with you. I give my life to Christ, and him crucified. I will not grow weary exposing this for what it is, along with preaching the true Gospel of Christ. We are praying for you, and your ministry. We love you. Just keep standing pastor.
Calvary Chapel is driven by culture? Really? If it wasn't for the Calvary Chapels, the same-sex bathroom law for grades k-12 in California would now be law. But they stopped it. Maybe Pastor MacArthur should attend the Engage California conference at Calvary Chapel Chino Hills this Saturday. It's all about influencing our culture and taking it back for Jesus! It's especially open to pastors.
Ann, that is obviously not his meaning. He means on the issue of seeking to fit in with the culture on music and being more concerned about not offending people than offending God on accepting experience and similar issues. He is not saying that CC is utterly devoted to fitting in with the culture in every area and do nothing right.
Potters Way Church New Zealand agrees and teaches the discernment which you are teaching. These Churches are over here Down under but we are a thorn in the side of these Churches with a Kundalini Spirit. God Bless your ministry and thank you for Discerning the truth and leading the way, Pastor Robbie Drew.
Being raised Pentecostal , and living it for over 30 years.. I'm the son of a Pentecostal minister taught and groomed to succeed my parents in Pentecostalism .. I can say with absolute faith and conviction the power and spirituality is real and working in their churches today and is not of God...But it is as all powers and rulers, ordained by God.
This guy has no idea what goes on at Calvary Chapel. I remember Paul speaking about something like this "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." This is exactly what's going on here Mr. MacArthur wants more people in his seminary, more people to buy his books, and more people after his own theological bent.
What Backlash! Pastor John MacArthur is truly a blessing a man anointed by The Lord. Not afraid to speak the truth and because of this many people including so called Pastors are afraid of him. He does not speak the feel good consciousness message that people want to hear in order to feel good about themselves.
I go to Calvary Chapel and I've never seen the charismatic movement there. I believe in speaking in tongues but I've never seen it in 45 years going to Calvary Chapel and I believe in miracles I I've had one happen to me. I have a personal relationship with Yeshua Ha Mashiach. I don't believe in signs and wonders as what Bethel Church teaches. That is what I call a charismatic church not Calvary Chapel. I still love John MacArthur's teachings and I have his Study Bible it's one of the best. We Are One in Christ and we will have different views.
MacArthur pointed out there was a "split" in Calvary ... early 70's .. Go back and listen again ... from the beginning to around 24:00; I love Calvary and listen to JD Farug, Hibbs, Hughes, .. including MacArthur's church, Grace Community. Every one has opinions and that's great. Nevertheless, all the truth is always found in the word of God and His word should always be the first place to go since all men are sinners and no one's ideas or commentaries can ever supersede the word of God;
@@loveofreedom777 well said, God has given us discernment, and if we are in our word everyday and spend time with Him we can't be led astray. I listen to the same people! He's coming soon!
I knew a guy at my old church, who was so enamored by Christian Harfouche. This was about 15 years ago, I think he and his family arranged for his son to go to FSU, or something so they could all be near Christain Harfouche's ministry. Before I knew such a thing, I asked him for the anointing, and he kind of threw up his nose at me like he was so much better. John MacArthur is SO SPOT ON!
Since I left that Charismatic movement, my wallet is safer, my faith is stronger, and I have the joy of my Salvation. The Charismatics are basically a Church for know-nothing Christians. Sure, along with the Seeker Sensitive movement, they will get you to Church on Sunday morning with all their theatrics, but once you start to actually pray to Jesus Christ, repent of your sins, and start to grow in faith, it becomes painfully obvious that the Charismatics are interested in building the size of their Churches, not delivering the Gospel to the people.
I love John and I love the strange fire movement. However, I don't understand him attacking Chuck Smith. Though Calvary Chapel pastors may be continuists, I don't see them acting in ways that pentecostals do. I was apart of a pentecostal church, but left because of the unbiblical practices going on. Where did I go? Calvary Chapel. I went there because there was sound doctrine without all of the dramatics. No running, screaming, slaying in the spirit, or crazy tongues. Just teaching. So I don't understand why he keeps mentioning Chuck Smith. Also, Smith has a book called Charisma vs Charismania, where he tells of his leaving the Foursquare denomination because of crazy unbiblical theatrics.
+yhvh4god 1 Corinthians 14:1-5 (ESV) 1 Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. 2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.
My sentiments exactly! Calvary Chapel is not even close to being like the garbage involved in strange fire stuff. They are just more casually dressed, are not 5 point Calvinist, nor cessationists.
Christa Otto because it’s a slippery slope and was a church denomination built on Chuck Smith’s personality and influence. Observe where the denomination went *immediately* upon his death. The denomination fractured. Some are Biblical churches and some went around the bend with his son-in-law. I’m leery of entire church denominations built upon a powerful personality.
I was saved during the early 70's . I recently saw the movie, The Jesus Revolution, but I felt somewhat uncomfortable while watching the movie. In watching this video, "What has happened after the 'Srange Fire' Conference" I realized what it was that had disturbed me. It was that in the movie it was culture that dictated the direction of Christianity. Culture; ie., the world, must NEVER affecti Christianity. It is rather Christianity that should always affect culture, amen?
***** How we love our neighbor depends absolutely on how we love our God, through a personal relationship with Him. If you love Him supremely, then, His love is in you through the power of His Holy Spirit who lives in you, as described in 1 Corinthians 13:4-8. And that should be the basis of how you ought to love your neighbor, as Jesus described it in Luke 10:29-37. Golfster is correct for pointing out the simplicity of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It only becomes complicated if not outright impossible when Jesus Christ is not the Lord of your life.
***** The devil knows who Jesus is, but decided to oppose Him anyway. A personal relationship means when He speaks through His Word in the Bible, you listen and obey, and when you speak through prayers, He listens and grants them in due time. Being an enemy of God is not a personal relationship, OK, as much as, that between two opposing soldiers try to destroy each other. That's what the Bible is for, to reveal the heavenly meanings of the same words, often in contrast to the their worldly meanings. For the meaning of "love," the original Greek translation categorizes it into 3 kinds, brotherly love (phileo), romantic love (eros), and sacrificial love (agape). So, for a Christian marriage relationship, God expects nothing short of a sacrificial love (agape) on the part of the husband PERIOD. Most people reject the Gospel because they don't feel the need for it yet. But do you know how many of them will change their mind right after the Rapture and the beginning of the Great Tribulation, as the cosmic clock is ticking toward the End of the World? Jesus said you can't serve 2 masters, right? So, either He is your Lord or He is not, with nothing in between. And without the power of His Holy Spirit living in you, "picking up the cross and follow Him is absolutely impossible. If you know for certain that you're saved and going to heaven, why should you care for the worldly things which will be all burned up in the End, right? It's just differences in perspectives, either you have a heavenly one or a worldly one. That's all!
***** I was born & raised Buddhist by my parents, grandparents, and great grandmother from a long line of Thai Buddhist ancestry, so, I can tell you that the Gospel didn't make any sense to me at all in the beginning, because no human beings could ever prove to me that God exists, much less whether Jesus Christ is He. That had been the case until I felt the need for God that I began to seek Him, and by His grace, was found by Him. That was almost 6 years ago. Since then, the Lord has worked through me to bring 7 (former) Buddhists to Himself when they're born again in Jesus Christ. It's still a puzzle to me whether God choose man or the other way around. All those 7 all told me that they never thought God exists until He revealed Himself to them that they believed. Faith is a totally alien concept in Buddhism, so until He gave them faith, they could not possibly believe in Him. God bless...
John has done so much for Jesus and the Kingdom. It is sad that he has also cut himself off from so much the the Holy Spirit has to give. Really sad indeed.
I’ve been exposed to many churches here in Taiwan, and the majority are charismatic churches. It took me awhile to find a good church out here that has sound doctrine and has a heart for the LORD. Through the process, I’m thankful for John MacArthur’s ministry and this conference even though it took me awhile to find. #2020
It's interesting to see the immense amount of criticism towards John saying he's too "legalistic." Perhaps not everyone will agree with everything he says, and that is fine. We need to be testing the words of every leader in the church today against what the bible says, including John, as I know he would agree with that. However, Paul and Peter repeatedly warn against false teachers in the church and Paul even gives Timothy the command to correct those with false teaching. Is not John doing this? Even if you disagree with John on some issues you have to commend him for boldly sticking up for the truth of the word. I also see a lot of comments about dropping petty arguments for unity and peace within the church. While unity and peace are absolutely essential, are they above truth? I'd say no and that sacrificing truth for unity is not healthy in building community. (see 2 Timothy 3: 16.) Back to Paul. In writing to Timothy the second time, Paul is nearing the end of his life. The very last command he gives to Timothy is this coming from chapter 4: "In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage-with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry." Preach the word. That is what our leaders should be doing to equip believers in making disciples of all people. Unfortunately, it seems we're seeking after revival instead of making disciples. More and more people are attending church for an "experience" or spiritual high, but are coming away with no instruction in the word or challenge to go out into the world and teach others to do the same. Jesus at the end of his life is praying for the disciples and says this in John 17:17: 17 "Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth." Christian sanctification comes through hearing, learning, and knowing the word of God through the power of the Holy Spirit. It makes me genuinely sad when I see those who think studying scripture and wanting to know the truth is too boring for them. Those that chase after spiritual manifestations, signs, and wonders while they forget that its a miracle we even wake up with breath in our lungs every morning because the Lord allows it. I urge everyone to read the scripture with as little presuppositional bias as possible. Study it diligently. Follow the commands of Christ to make disciples. Understand the most important aspect of life is to radically abandon ourselves for the sake of Jesus and making his gospel known to the ends of the earth. God bless you all.
Ive been watching these on the sidelines been in Pentecost all my life this fresh fire is kinda strange phenomemna i accept jumping shouting dancing we. Believe in ACTS 2:38 I dont know alot of john. Mcdonald im aware of protestant theology and catholism tradition
Im not a fan of john mcdonald hes a cesstonalist im not ive been blrn of water and spirit accotding to Acts 2:38 i recieve the holy ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues any church or denomonation that oppses ACTS 2:38 IS ANOTHER. GOSPEL JUST LIKE ROMAN. CATHOLIC CULT
I am so glad that at least this time you allow people to comment, bless you and your church "grace to you" May our God opens the windows of heaven, and pour out His blessings to your church. If there is such a thing as gifts of the Holy Spirit, I would pray that Lord please pour them out to this wonderful church so that coupling with the wonderful theology of John diligently seeking all his life, service and loving you , would powerfully influence our world to day. Amen! Let the Johns ,such a long time friendbe in unity in love in Christ Jesus in my heart burning desire prayer also Amen!
I read our Suffieciency in Christ by John Mac Arthur, and it changed my view of charismatic movement I already had doubts which I couldnt put my finger on, most churches are including too much charismatic style or are totally charismatic.The tide is unstoppable, only christs return will stop it in my opinion.The scariest thing is how secular people are accepting gay marriage and outrageous new things.The cultural marxists have destroyed the original european/scandinavian family
It's not just a European traditional family, it is a global Norm. The idea that the nuclear family is a western invention, is a leftist fabrication. I have lived in East Asia for over 20 years, and I can tell you, that the traditional family of Western Society is basically identical to Eastern Society. The people who say it is a western invention are lying.
@@isaiah92- huh.... what is he right about regarding Calvary Chapel's theology? It would help a lot if you specify. If you mean they are not reformed then yes, they are not reformed. But they are correct. Read all of scripture and not just Calvinist proof texts. Also, just read the gospels and see the character of Jesus and the Pharisees. And, Jesus said we could identify false prophets by their fruits and John Calvin's fruits were tyranny, and persecution and murder of those who didn't share his opinions. "Who so ever believeth" and the fact that it is not God's will that any should perish are clear enough for me. But maybe that's not what you were talking about. I can't tell... if you mean they do not believe the Bible teaches that the gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased, you are correct again. However I have attended 2 Calvary Chapels and both were very orderly with nothing strange going on I never even heard anyone speak in tongues or make prophetic utterances in either of them.
TheRevering Chuck Smith is the man I have listened to for the last few years even no he has past I needed his teaching comping from we’re I was what a blessed teacher I was so hungry for the word as church didn’t give it me chuck smith will be well blessed in heaven
LINDA Wiley JOHN MacArthur is the best pastor in our day. He knows the bible better than anyone else. He speaks the TRUTH. I have listened to him for along time, our churches should pattern theirs after his. Keep preaching Pastor John, people are listening!!! Wake up People, your salvation is at stake. Bless You John, Linda Wiley
Nice testimony. I heard about a man who celebrated 30 years as a member of a certain local church. I thought about that particular denomination as dying out quite a while before he joined it. How could a man join a church that died 50 years ago, stay there for 30 more, and not notice anything wrong? These kind of testimonies are anecdotal, not substantive.
Charismatics are those who practice the gifts. Who are those people? Those who receive the gifts given by the Holy Spirit. Pastor is a gift. Teacher is a gift. I believe writing is a gift too. John MacArthur is a pastor and a teacher, and a writer. So, he is a charismatic too.
John MacArthur is a brother in Christ Jesus I love him and all my brethren as we all should love and pray for one another. I do enjoy his many sermons and exegesis and have benefited from them. He has done a lot in helping me to grow in the Word. I will pray for him to receive discernment and guidance in accordance with God's will. It's not what we want or like but rather what God so chooses for any of us.
Amen and thank you for being so honest and speaking the truth in love. God bless you, Sir. You are helping so many frustrated believers who know something is not right, but we could not put our finger on it.
I grew up in a church, in the 60's & 70's, that was very prone to the charismatic/strange fire theology. I don't think I can recall a week where there was not some tongues and it's associated "manifestations". I believe, as a result, at 18 when I left home for college, I ran from the church and God. Largely because there was always something in my spirit that just didn't gravitate toward the charismatic theology. 35 years later God got a hold of my heart, changed my life, and led me, in scripture, to a more reformed doctrine. I could not be more thankful. The Strange Fire book and conference has been an amazing thing to watch. It is spot on!
There was a lot of music that came out of the Jesus movement that blessed me so much. I don’t believe all of those people were wrong; maybe misinformed. I grew up with John’s messages, and I’m glad he did the strange fire conference. I knew that most of the Charismatic Movement was wrong. It’s good to have guys who expose the Bible’s truth, and the false preachers. Don’t know if there are any sound preachers where I am now. That’s very hard.
Missy Coyle, Allow me please to re post here my comments above to joe long... joe long, ''This man has guts. He has done the unthinkable ''==> It is because he thinks that his teachings is true and biblical.... But he is wrong.... Calvinism is a mixture of Biblical Truth and man-made Lies and therefore Calvinism is an Evil doctrine..... For instance the Statement below which is the base of Calvinism is evil because it contradicts the Character of God and cannot be supported by the Scriptures.... ''God arranges all things by His sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death, and are to glorify Him by their destruction.''
I don’t doubt that Jesus is a merciful God; I just believe that the Word is sufficient for us. We are not to go above what is written in His Word. 1Cor 4-7. There must be a balance. I don’t know the guy about which you were talking, but I grew up listening to John Maccarthor preaching the Bible, precept upon precept. People don’t want to hear the hard core truth of the gospel, anymore. They want false teachers to tickle their ears. 2Tim 4. So there must be a daily repentance. People don’t like that word, either. Prepare to offend people if you speak out for Jesus. They hated Him. Who are we to think we’d be any different.
@@missycoyle5706, Yes, Missy, I understand what you mean.... I just want to inform you with all sincerity, that John McArthur is a Calvinist.... And Calvinism is a mixture of Biblical Truth and man-made Lies..... Among the popular Calvinists now, I think John Mac is the best.... And it is very wonderful to listen to the part of Biblical Truth, But I said their doctrine is mixed with man-made Lies... John Calvin did not understand the entirety of the Beautiful Biblical doctrine of 'Election and Predestination', so he added his own understanding without Scriptural Support and they even contradict the scriptures... For instance the Statement below which is the base of Calvinism is evil because it contradicts the Character of God and cannot be supported by the Scriptures.... ''God arranges all things by His sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death, and are to glorify Him by their destruction.''
You can not Scripturally put all in the same boat. The Gifts of the Spirit are not an "age movement" and Nowhere do you see that the Gifts have ceased in the bible.There are Many who preach a false Jesus but that doesn't mean there is not the True Jesus Therefore just because there are False ministers that doesn't mean that True Ministers do not demonstrate the Gifts by the Spirit as the Spirit wills. We can not put aside the WORK of the Holy Spirit because these Gifts are to EDIFY the Body ( 1 Corinth 12:7, Ephesians 4:11-13)
So many generalizations made about the charismatic community. While there are many groups that search after the 'feeling' experience, there are many that do not. We are to just plain and simple seek after Jesus! NOT the experiences, BUT we are not to quench the Spirit! Sometimes the Holy Spirit touches people in a dramatic way, but sometimes he doesn't, and either way is totally fine! THAT is not what we are to worship. We are to worship GOD. Any experience that follows that is cool, but that should just aid us in our relationships with God even more.
Spiritual arrogance my bad I was saved in a Baptist Church in 1971 at the age of 15 being blessed with a bit of an idyllic memory it was very easy to memorise Scripture in detail. This made me very popular in bible quizzes. I also understood the T.U.L.I.P. doctrines and also firmly believed them, even though I did have a burden to witness and preach the gospel. After spending many hours of bible study the cessation doctrine started worrying me tremendously and also my relationship with God seemed so shallow and I needed more 18 October 1978 the Lord gloriously filled me with the precious Holy Spirit early in the morning about 3am while I was alone in my room there was no fanfare, there was no emotional up sweep, there were no clever Pentecostal clichés only a wonderful sensation of being so close to my Savior that it was almost tangible. I was transformed from a intellectual know it all self righteous Calvinist to a intellectual know it all self righteous Pentecostal It is a human trait to believe that we know all the answers but this attitude is very carnal. Spiritual pride and self righteousness is wrong and sinful. God is not a Calvinist, God is not a Charismatic, God is not a Pentecostal or a Roman Catholic, evangelical He is our Father who loves all His children And by children I do not mean everyone I mean all those who have received Jesus as per John 1:12
+Bobby Baker Excellent response here. Did you read my comment above concerning what Travis Allen, the man who organized the Strange Fire conference, did because I shared my truthful testimony with a man in his church that Jesus came to me in an awesome dream in 1973? I won't repeat it now, but NONE of them obeys the commands in 1 Thess. 5:20-21 and 1 John 4:1 to examine all claims of extrabiblical revelation and to not despise them.
I love finding stories like this! I was also saved in a Baptist Church very young. It took me a long time and some bit of doubts before realising God was God, and not a specific church. I also had never fully realized that Jesus was God in the flesh, nor who the Holy Spirit was. As soon as I knew the truth and believed, I was baptised in the Holy Spirit. It was amazing! God bless you on your journey :)
+Free Slave no not at all the Holy Spirit comes into our bodies at the rebirth Jesus gave the disciples the Holy Spirit in John 20 but told them to wait for the power in Acts1 which they received in Acts 2 this is the doctrine of the baptism of the Holy Spirit which I denied for 7 years
+Bobby Baker ok just a couple points 1 All those who are born again are indwelt by the Holy Spirit OT or new 2 the coming of the Holy Spirit on pentacost had many ramifications including gifts for prophecy to proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ, wind is the symbol of the Holy Spirits presence, fire is the symbol of His cleansing power and judgment, and inspired speech speaks of the reversal of what was done at Babel in judgement separating the peoples into different groups now bringing people of various languages together from every tribe and tongue,reunited as Gods chosen people. For the early church, specifically the apostles, the outworking of the Holy Spirit through these signs, including healing, was to validate the gospel they were preaching. As you move through Acts it becomes clear that these specific gifts for this specific time begins to cease. Thats not to say, all gifts are ceased. And i know the bible is clear that satan will do signs to lead people astray. So im very careful not to jump on the signs bandwagon, which seems, to a large degree, to take peoples eyes off Jesus Christ and onto the signs. Im afraid many of the many who say to Jesus on the day of judgement will say Lord, Lord didnt we do this or that and He will say depart from me, I never knew you... some of what ive gleaned from scripture...my words of course
My own experience is that John MacArthur is correct. I've seen how that strange fire will even dissipate after a while, but everyone is still falling over, writhing on the floor, or running around the sanctuary. They begin to feel that's their method of worship. Babbling in gibberish, prophecies that are either vague or don't come true, people acting drunk in the spirit, etc. So you begin to see all these manifestations done in a half-hearted way after a time. A that point, the Church is basically a mediocre, apostate church without any solid Bible doctrine. And as I have said in other videos, the Bible seems to take a back seat. Usually not a lot of Bible opening when this Strange Fire takes hold. I saw Cindy Jacobs get introduced one Sunday night, she got up and asked everyone who was in the upcoming Christmas production to come forward. They did, she waved her arms or something, and everyone just feel over backwards. She didn't even open her Bible. It was all this mass hypnosis, and just plain faking by a lot of people.
+Paul Jenkins Yes, it's true that Charismatics need to open their Bibles rather than roll around and give false prophecies, etc. However, Satan hates things of the Holy Spirit, and so does John MacArthur. I've heard him disparage people "feeling the presence of Christ" (which I have, during times of extreme crisis, although I am not and never was Charismatic), I've heard him mock people "waving their arms," while raising our hands in worship is all over the Bible (Solomon did this when he prayed in 1 Kings)and it obviously pleases God.' I've heard him TELL GOD in a prayer, "You spoke then were silent." It was significant to me (but obviously lost on John), that just four months after the Strange Fire conference, mid-way through his Shepherd's Conference, with more than 3,000 pastors in attendance, the lights when out, and John had to finish his sermon in the dark, with a flash light. The Holy Spirit just spoke loud and clear to John and all of them, yet he said, "I'm still trying to process why this happened; I'll just leave it to the Lord."
Karen Reid I HAVE seen that before. I knew a music pastor who seemed to be into secular music, even productions where Jesus was not even mentioned, and he had the counseling skills of an army boot.. His night to preach went EXACTLY as you said MacArthur's went. The lights went out, and other malfunctions in the sanctuary, and he could not even preach. They tried a portable microphone, etc., but NO. It's like the Holy Spirit slapped him down. And I could see it. Just like you, I left seeing the Holy Spirit perhaps work in a way that I had not expected, but frankly I understood. I saw then that for this pastor, Church was simply the company he worked for or something.
+Paul Jenkins Wow, good way to put it. "The church was simply a company he worked for or something." Sad, as I used to think Johnny Mac was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I received his 3 daily devotionals daily and read his books, but now that I've heard myself what he believes about the precious blood of my Savior, as well as encouraging people to take the Mark, well, I have to be obedient to the Lord in His Word to test those who claim to be apostles.
+Paul Jenkins I wanted to share with you a Scripture the Lord led me to. Ed Dingess put me down for my observation that God judged John MacArthur when the lights went out on him mid-sermon 4 months after the Strange Fire conference. He basically accused me of seeing charismatic/pentecostal "buggaboos" everywhere (although I'm not and never was charismatic). The Lord led me to a Scripture I was able to refute him with though, Isaiah 45:7, 'I FORM LIGHT AND CREATE DARKNESS, I make well-being and CREATE CALAMITY, I am the Lord, who does ALL THESE THINGS." Case closed.
"If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." Corinthians 13:2. The Strange Fire Q & A didn't have a lot of love for those who are lost. And frankly, they were kind of smug. Furthermore, Christian music has definitely helped my faith. I think God would be well pleased at seeing an entire congregation, with hands raised, singing "Our God is an awesome God, he reigns in Heaven and earth with wisdom, power, and love, Our God is an awesome God." p.s. Pray for me, I have the flu! Karen Reid
The word alone without the Spirit, is like a body without breath in it. "Unless a man is born again of the Spirit and of water, he shall not enter heaven." And "the Spirit will lead you in all truths." "As you live in the Spirit, walk you also in the Spirit." "Quench not the Spirit." "As many as are led by the Spirit, to them gave He power to be the Sons of God." Also, "do not disregard prophecies." It is right to point out the fake & foolish heretical excesses in the charismatic movement, but is also foolishness to disregard all spiritual experiences, as such. Whoever does so, "quenches the Spirit" & "disregards prophecies." Follow Jesus Christ, be born again of the Spirit, & be led by Him, otherwise you will not walk the straight line, but will deviate to the left or to the right.
Just curious, Dr.'MacArthur, were there any DOCTRINAL compromises that Chuck Smith made with the "Jesus Movement"? I know there were a few accommodations made in peripheral style issues, like dress code, music style, etc
Here is David Guzik's response to John MacArthur. Strange Fire and the Gifts for Today The recent Strange Fire conference hosted by Dr. John MacArthur and Grace Community Church brought new energy to a long-standing disagreement in the Christian world. The disagreement is between those who believe that many of the gifts of the Holy Spirit (often referred to in the New Testament) ceased with the end of the apostolic age, and those who believe the Holy Spirit continues to give those gifts to the present day. That sentence oversimplifies the debate and does not speak to many variations of position, but I think it is a fair (if overly simple) summary. In this debate, I’m a definite continuationalist - believing the Holy Spirit continues to give these gifts to God’s people, distributing them as He wills. I believe in charisma, not charismania, and still think that Chuck Smith’s book Charisma versus Charismania is one of the best short, popular works on the subject. I believe that what are often thought of as more miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today, but should not be made the center of congregational life. Instead, worship, the Word of God, and love for one another should be the center of congregational life. Despite the scorn that is sometimes directed towards those who believe such gifts continue, I genuinely love our cessationist brothers and sisters. I don’t think they are stupid or unspiritual, even though I think they are wrong. In my view, the reasons for the differences are mainly based on several wrong premises. I don’t agree with these cessationist premises, so I don’t agree with the conclusions that come from them. What follows is not so much a positive case for the continuation of the gifts to the present day, as an attempt to understand the perspectives behind the disagreements and to note where I think the continuationalist view is correct. I hope to answer the question, “How can people who love Jesus and His word disagree so strongly?” It’s because cessationists come from quite different perspectives than continuationalists. 1. They see the purpose of supernatural gifts differently. The New Testament mentions the operation of many different supernatural gifts or manifestations of the Holy Spirit among believers (miracles, gifts of healings, speaking in tongues, prophecy, and so forth). Most cessationists believe the purpose of these supernatural gifts was to authenticate the message and/or messenger of God. Therefore, once the foundational apostles and prophets (Ephesians 2:20) died and the New Testament completed God’s perfectly authoritative revelation, there was and is no more need for these gifts. This is inaccurate and incomplete. Certainly one reason for supernatural happenings in Bible times was to authenticate the message and the messenger. Yet, far more frequently, the purpose for these supernatural events is to build up, strengthen, and to edify the people of God (1 Corinthians 12:7, 14:12). If I believed the only purpose for these supernatural events was to authenticate the message, I might agree with my cessationist brothers - but I don’t, and I don’t think the Bible does either. 2. They see the nature of supernatural gifts differently. Many cessationists believe that if the supernatural power described in the Book of Acts was still given by the Holy Spirit today, then gifted individuals would be able to heal and perform miracles at will. They could clear out hospitals with their healing powers, and do mind-blowing miracles whenever they wanted to. Since no one can do these things today, they believe it proves that the supernatural things in the New Testament don’t happen and can’t happen today. This is inaccurate and incomplete. The gifted men in the Book of Acts and in the early church did not ever have power to do healings or miracles as they willed or on their own initiative. There were remarkable occasions when everyone in a given group was healed or when miraculous things happened in strange ways. In Acts 19:11 Luke described some of these with the curious phrase, “unusual miracles.” Yet normally, neither Jesus (such as the Pool of Bethesda or the man at the Beautiful Gate) nor His followers in the Book of Acts cleared out hospitals or could do miracles at the exercise of their own will. Even Jesus insisted that He did nothing except what the Father told Him to do (John 5:19, 5:30, and 8:28), and Paul told us that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are distributed as He wills (1 Corinthians 12:11), not according to the will of the human instrument. It would be unbiblical to expect the Holy Spirit to work differently today. Nevertheless, the Holy Spirit works today. It’s helpful to remember that the Book of Acts covers some 35 years. When we read it, we feel as though an amazing miracle happened every day, yet it gives highlights of a 35-year (or more) period. If one were to write the history of the Calvary Chapel movement over a 35-year period, it would read something like the Book of Acts. The same is true of many other wonderful movements of God’s Spirit in our day and over the generations. 3. They see the purpose and the nature of the gift of tongues differently. Much of the criticism against the modern exercise of what is claimed to be the gift of tongues focuses on the idea that they are not real languages being spoken with clear structure and grammar and so forth. Claimed tongues speakers are derided as speaking gibberish or nonsense, not real languages. Much of this is based on the wrong premise that the gift of tongues was meant to miraculously communicate the gospel or Biblical truth from one person to another, giving the ability to preach or share the gospel in an unknown language. Yet the Bible clearly says that the purpose of the gift of tongues is for people to speak to God, not for people to speak to people (1 Corinthians 14:2). When the disciples spoke on Pentecost, they did not preach to the crowd - Peter did that in the language they all understood (common Greek). Instead, they heard the Spirit-filled disciples “speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God” (Acts 2:11); this means they heard them praising God for His wonderful works. The audience for the gift of tongues is God and not man, and the scriptures say of use of tongues “no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries” (1 Corinthians 14:2). When a one person overhears another person speaking to God in tongues, it might very well sound like gibberish or nonsense - that’s exactly what Paul described. Of course, it is possible for someone to imitate or fake the gift of tongues, and sadly, unwise and over-zealous people sometimes encourage this. Yet because tongues are to God and not to man, and because Paul himself told us that it could very well sound like nonsense to another, the legitimate gift of tongues cannot be dismissed because it does indeed sound like nonsense. 4. They don’t see the difference between the gift of prophecy and God’s eternal, authoritative revelation. When I read cessationists make their point, I admire their high regard for the Bible (though I disagree with some of their approaches to the text). Zealous to protect the authority and unique character of Biblical revelation, they think it important to say that if God did give someone the gift of prophecy today, it would threaten the truth that the Bible is uniquely authoritative and sufficient. I’m happy there are people who fight for the Bible’s unique authority and sufficiency, and there are some - perhaps many - in the Charismatic world who need to hear that important message. There are some - perhaps many - who regard “prophetic words” as more important or interesting than God’s eternal truth. This is wrong and needs to be spoken against. Yet it is possible to make a clear distinction between what God uniquely, authoritatively gave through the foundation of the apostles and prophets (Ephesians 2:20) and spontaneous prophetic words that may be meaningful and important to individuals or particular congregations, but not universal. We don’t need to add more pages to our Bible when someone speaks with the gift of prophecy, and it would be foolish and sinful to do so. Among the Corinthian Christians, prophecy was present (1 Corinthians 14:3, 14:24, 14:29-33). Yet there was no authoritative, universal revelation given to us from these Corinthian prophets - there is no “Letter of the Corinthians Prophets” in our New Testament. The Corinthian Christians and the Apostle Paul and seemingly everyone were able to make the distinction between God’s speaking to and through Paul and the other inspired writers of Scripture, and God’s speaking through the spontaneous and immediate gift of prophecy. It was important and meaningful for the Corinthians at that moment, but not beyond that. Paul also told Christians to judge each prophecy (1 Corinthians 14:29), something he never told anyone to do regarding God’s inspired word. It was understood that the exercise of the gift of prophecy worked in a different way than the authoritative revelation which came to us through the inspired apostles and prophets mentioned in Ephesians 2:20. When I read someone I disagree with, to the best of my ability, I like to put myself in their place and think through the matter they way they do. In regard to the continuation of the gifts given by the Holy Spirit for the church today, if I thought that . . . That the gifts were only or mostly given to authenticate God’s message or messenger That in the New Testament those who exercised supernatural, miraculous gifts could do so at will, in any way or time they wanted That the purpose of the gift of tongues was to communicate from person to person, and therefore had to be identifiable languages That the practice of the gift of prophecy means that the Bible is not authoritative or sufficient If I believed all those things, I would probably agree with my cessationist brethren. Since I strongly believe that none of those things are Biblically true, I am happy and at peace to understand that the Holy Spirit continues to give miraculous and supernatural gifts to His church as He wills. I am also happy and at peace to understand that the pursuit of these miraculous and supernatural gifts should not be the center of church life, but instead worship, God’s word, and love among God’s people.
Ken Horn- editor of the Pentecostal Evangel wrote in today's magazine that the strange fire conference was bad. But I strongly disagree. I'm glad that people like John MacArthur EXPOSE the false converts today. Whenever I try to reach out to people it's ALWAYS these hypocrites that oppose me. Because it's offensive to tell the truth, the truth is divisive and exclusive. Absolute truth is Jesus Christ, and people in His day knew He was a man of integrity and did not pay attention to people's egos (Mark 12:14). If you have something against the truth, it's because of pride and love of sin, love the truth and you'll pursue it. Romans 10:2, your zeal for God should be based on knowledge and not emotion or self gratification. If your not willing to witness to someone because of fear of offense, you don't truly love anybody..
I wish this sermon was preached in several churches I know. This might lead to some clarity within the congregation, as the problems and repercussions for the entire church, if this infiltrates your own church!
at least he stands for what he believes, but I wonder how many really triumphant believers are there in his church and how many lead dull christian lives, in other words they are just waiting to die to live the kingdom life
Kevin Boyes, ....the only ignorance here is on those who accept 'mcHealing' as being frauded upon the church these days. Sadly, this is bringing in the sheeple. Looking for an = experience. But NO CHRIST...is found there. Just fraudsters looking for quick cash and applause...sigh
The strange fire conference series really woke me up to the truth, for I was an early saved christian and full of years of false doctrine seeking God in all the wrong places with all the faces, as I continued diligently I was lead to a small Baptist Church and that preach gave the simple gospel of Jesus Christ and I understand for the first time who Jesus Christ truly is, why He died on that cross and that I was a sinner no matter how good I thought I was as a person, I needed to be redeemed from my sin born nature by the believe in who Jesus Christ is, He's death burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of my sins, I came for that day accepted, confessed I m a sinner and asked Jesus to come into my life and save me, was baptized and my life has changed, is changing as I walk this life out with Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior, the sanctification process is on going as I grow deeper in understanding by the word of God, I thank God for His mercy and grace, and for preachers like John McCarthy!
+Scott Campbell Dear brother ask the Holy Spirit to teach you when you read your Bible. Conferences will never teach you the truth from God. Jesus said in John 14: 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. Dear brother do you have communion with Holy Spirit ? Please read 1 Corinthians chapter 14: 2 in your Holy Bible and them only the Holy Spirit will teach you is tongues are from GOD... Blessings to you
+Marco Zeron Blessings Marco. Whenever the Word of God is faithfully taught - at a conference, at church, in a Bible study - the people of God can learn truth. The Bible is truth - and the location is irrelevant. In John 17:17 Jesus said, "Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth." May God lead you & me both into His truth.
I've left behind a Charismatic church, and my faith has grown by leaps and bounds. Once you know the Bible, it becomes very apparent that the Charismatics are going off the deep end. I've seen Rodney Howard Browne, Jesse Duplantis, Joyce Meyer, etc. and they were very entertaining, but none of them even cracked a Bible. I love the Scriptures, not some phony signs and wonders.
Seeing this video now. It's 10 years old. John McArthur talking about multiculturalism, changing the history in order to control the history narrative. He was so right. That's why we have the issues we have now.
When the Lord revealed Himself to me, I never looked back. So many religious leaders preach God yet deny His power.... There is no doubt if this man walked on the day of Jesus would have denied Him and the apostles because of the power of God revealed in them....
first know what a miracle is in biblical language. Don't put 18th and 19th century terms that came from that movement to biblical language! If a person has one leg, then when that person grows a new leg, thats a miracle. Unlearn people. God help us! My people are destroy for lack of knowledge. Pentecostal have people mess up!
the new birth is a common thing among believers, Just like women having babies, that does not surprise us. Now let me see you change Water to wine, that is a miracle!
All who criticize John MacArthur on the Charismatic movement should first read "Strange Fire"; I have, and he is biblically correct. Or to put it another way, we should never criticize when we don't have the facts. John is only concerned about teaching biblical truth, and we would all be better off if we were as devoted to the Lord Jesus Christ as much as he is. (I listen to his sermons an average 21 to 25 sermons a week and thank God for him, his work, his ministry, and his heart for the Lord.) But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 1 Timothy 4:8
I saw him sitting with men here on RUclips in a video from the conference laughing and mocking the people that where let astrey buy these charismatic satanic leaders. Barking like dogs but instead of crying for them before the Lord they sit arrogant and self-righteous and laughing about it. It was nothing less then disgusting to me.
Moody network wouldn't carry the program? Years ago, when I sent away for the application for Moody Bible Institute, they had a firm anti-charismatic stand.
God Bless you John MacArthur 🙏🏼
My eyes have recently been opened after being in the charismatic church for 23 years.
I am totally shocked, embarrassed, disappointed (in myself mainly for not knowing the word in context) ashamed because of all the people I have influenced.
On the positive side I am set free. I feel born again, again. A load has been taken off that I didn’t even realise was there. This is true freedom in Christ. Wow!! And it’s so easy! Matt 11:28.
I am reading the Bible now like never before. I didn’t even really know what context meant 🤦🏻♀️
The Charismatic Movement filled me with self, emotions, imagination, dreams, living in hope and trust from all the words and prophecies I received, waiting patiently for them to come to pass and never did.
But you still live in hope because if not, you lack faith and trust.
Now coming out of it I realise I was living in make believe, which as much as I loved and served faithfully, I was actually very self centred, waiting for all my desires, hopes, prophecies and words to come to pass. So extremely messed up. So deceived. And I would defend this movement and think the person I am now (in the truth and set free) was actually the deceived one and not lead by the Holy Spirit or didn’t have the Holy Spirit at all.
I have never repented so much much in my life.
I now live for Christ and Christ alone and I’m soooo excited and very humbled and grateful to our beautiful sovereign God.
I am also very grateful for all the biblical preachers 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
John MacArthur, Billy Crone, Justin Peters, Voddie Baucham, Susan Heck and many many more.
I humbly thank you 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🥰
Praise God for the transformation and renewing of your mind on the truth of the Word! ❤
Praise God!
Amen ! John 10:14 🐑✝
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The Strange Fire conference changed my life.... Left charismatic churches and found a loving baptist church. I've been able to know God deeper than just personal experiences and feelings 🙌
This man has guts. He has done the unthinkable - he has challenged the Charismatic movement!! His SF conference was the best thing I have ever come across in explaining the issues. I wish he had done this years ago - and saved me from all the heartache and failed prophecies I experienced as a Charismatic. Thank you Lord Jesus for this man and those who stood with him at SF.
Your comments are a great blessing to me brother!
You are most welcome dear friend!! Joe
I'm happy for you, joe. Sounds like a huge relief to be out of that mess.
Kristine Trinidad Thanks so Much!!
Denouncing a doctrine because of excesses in people's lives, through a false doctrine, may bring peace to some, but it won't make any friends in heaven.
Cant stop watching, McArthur is simply one of the finest pastor of our time!
It's actually painful to hear a prominent pastor smear God-fearing, Jesus-loving, expository-preaching brothers in Christ who speak for truth and influence our culture in many positive ways, such as Calvary Chapel.
He's definitely one of the greatest preachers. You should check out Charles Lawson as well. Preachers who are not afraid of truth.
@@ecardy23 Absolutely!!
@@annbiddy817 i agree with you
🙏 Amen
I was 35 years in the Charismatic movement. It took a major confrontation with Biblical truth and an exposure to the plainly ridiculous nature of Charismaticism to smack the heresy out of me. Thanks be to God!!
Mark Rogers me too
I'm very grateful for the strange fire conferences, but I'm a continuationist. You don't necessarily have to be charismatic to believe that the Holy Spirit still works in the believers today. It's a very biblical concept and there's no solid biblical stance that combats that view.
John McAthur is right to call out the charismatic heresy or other foolishness associated with it. But he speaks out of the ignorance of the power of the Spirit in those who allow the Spirit to do His work in them.
The point is "we must taste the spirits," but not to disregard ALL spiritual experiences, even those attributable to the Holy Spirit.
If we all followed the cessationist approach of John MacArthur, how would we know "what was, is, & is to come," as the bible says the Spirit would let us know these things? Like there is a prophecy of a coming depression like crisis coming to America. How can those who follow his teachings know about this?
Embracing what MacArthur is teaching is to disregard a great portion of the scriptures! How can he teach "the truth" while disregarding a portion of the scriptures? This is unheard of! And many people around the world follow his teachings! If he is an example of "the elders," surely many of us will fall in a ditch together with "the elders!"
robert okello the gospel of John K J V
The Gospel of John King James Version
praise God for opening my eyes to reformed theology,,,oh how I love Jesus
Just listened to this sermon again. Listening to John MacArthur preach the word of God will always make me feel blessed. Thank you Father for the gift of your precious Son, the Lord Jesus, and His gift of the Holy Spirit through you Father.
I came out of an extreme Pentecostal church and MacArthur was used as part of the way God lead me out. I wish I could find a church in my area that was biblical but for now I do the live stream from Grace Community Church every Sunday with my family.
Praying for you, sista! I attend Grace Community Church and I have grown as a believer (along with my wife and four kids) since we joined 12 years ago. I also left a Pentecostal church.
Tina Mullins try 9marks.org to search for a church with sound theology
Hi Tina, have you been able to find a faithful ministry to be a part of?
Dan Rebolledo Like Christianity?
I believe Tina was struggling to find a Bible teaching church and relying on internet resources. That was what my question was in reference to
"My people perish for lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6
Thank you, dear Lord for keeping us close to You, for not letting us fall into this heresy.
Thank you, Pastor John for your clear and unapologetic defense of the Word of God.
As a church musician it's lovely to hear the defense of our spiritual heritage in the Great Hymns of praise we have loved for centuries.
I will always be grateful to John for being the tool that God used to bring me out of the charismatic movement.
*God
@@angelbarajas9180 thank you
The best teacher ever!! Cannot hear enough. He is truly blessed and so am I, every time I hear him teach!
I'm from Singapore, I came from a taoist background, and I'm the only one saved in my entire family. Before I had a huge encounter with God (in a 3 days conference that happened in 2013) I had depression, suicidal thoughts all the time, anger management issues, lust, addiction to pornography, gore movies, extreme violence, negative thoughts, constantly judging people etc.
Building up to that conference, somehow Holy Spirit gave me supernatural grace to fast and pray and seek Him, and I was also partly fed up with my own life of calling myself a christian but not living the life that Jesus walked in the bible.
I was also previously like most of you here who were reserved about the manifestations of God. However, during the second day of that conference, I went up for an altar call and immediately I fell to the ground because the presence of the Lord was very strong. This is stated in the bible, many of the old saints couldn't even stand in the presence of the Lord. (Not because of the speakers, not because of the location, but I highly believe that it was because I publicly proclaimed that I wanted to seek Jesus with all my heart when I made that decision to walk up to the front of a church in front of 100s of people.)
I couldn't even stop myself from screaming because I felt like a tiny speckle of dust in the presence of God, and instantly He chased away my depression. I felt Him cut away the ties of my past that I couldn't see but was tied to my soul. I was hungrier for God than ever ever since.
During the second day, I had my dose of joy. I wouldn't term it holy laughter because it simply scares people away, there seems to be nothing holy to be deduced about it because what happens internally only the Spirit of God can see and testify.
So when Jesus came to speak to me about hope, I was deeply elated, and I couldn't stop laughing. I cared about NOBODY around me, I was on the floor again in the weighty presence of God was there, healing my soul and speaking to me a lot about hope, my future, and HOW MUCH Jesus believed in me and fearfully made me for a great purpose in His kingdom. OF COURSE, if you hear these words from Jesus, would you stop laughing? No, you won't :) IT was true happiness, to the brim of my soul - I never had it before.
Ever since that encounter (any more during those 3 days), it convicted me that I needed to study the Word of God faithfully to make sure that these manifestations are kept in alignment with God. And it made me hunger from then till now (so far 3 years) to seek God deeper and to seek His word deeper.
Lastly, I would like to also give my thoughts about how I agree that manifestations come with both the real and the false. Demons will always try to make a fake imitation of God. We have to discern very carefully, to see the the fruits AFTER the manifestation to know whether or not it is holy and of God. We really cannot tell much when the general manifestation is happening.
And finally, the more important things to chase after is to become like Jesus, to abide in His love when we make decisions and speak things about different denominations. It's not so much on focusing on the outward appearance, but the Lord always does something with the heart, and looks at the heart. Sometimes we worship movements more than God.
A charismatic Christian came into my hospital room when I
was very sick and the doctors had already prepared my family for my soon coming
death. He laid his hands on me and prayed. I made a supernatural recovery to
the amazement of the hospital staff.
I am alive, and I am a Christian today because of this.
Herb Jones that’s wonderful brother!
Herb Jones Thanks Herb Jones!
Herb Jones with all due respect you are alive because of the sovereignty of God. He can and do have Mercy on who He will. Blessings
You are deceived and that is sad.
@@chlonh Completely agree with you.
I, too, am SO thankful for this work. I was so caught up and confused by the teachings in my former church. Thankfully a Christian friend reached out to me and just simply said, "Friend, I see some red flags with your church's doctrine...and the close association with Bethel church." Well, I inquired what she meant...and she proceeded to give me her testimony. I, in turn, did my own research and I was shocked by what I found. I didn't realize I was starting to go the "broad way"... I was reminded of many scriptural truths. I praise God for His mercy and grace. I tried to tell others in the church, but they were not as receptive...I was told I'm putting "God in a box" and "Functioning out of a place of fear"..."Father, Son and Holy Scriptures", etc. I can pray for them....and do. I love those people.
Thank you Johnny Mac for opening my eyes. you saved me and my house from false doctrine.
Only Jesus saves, and MacArthur can't say if/when that happened to him.
@@5winder And that is important because??............
Praise The Lord!!!
@@5winder Tell that to Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer and Co..not John..He knows that full well
“Johnny Mac” ... 😂😂 I like that!
I've just discovered the teachings of this Pastor. I wish I had heard this when I was young in the 1970s. I still have Charismatic friends who are always "pushing" miracles and devoted to the preachers who are in this movement. I have been feeling so depressed because I can't get these miracles. Thank you!
I was raised in a pentecostal church. After finally hearing the gospel in my 30's and actually becoming a Christian for real this time, I decided I was going to come at the Bible like I knew nothing at all. I began to research the beliefs of my childhood. My eyes were opened that what happened on the day of Pentecost is not what is occurring today. What is happening today is a counterfeit. Jesus said it is wicked generation who look for signs and wonders. The Holy Spirit points us to Christ and Christ is enough! As someone who grew up in the midst of pentecostal chaos I am truly grateful for John Macarthur doing this conference and writing this book. Something that is past due. Thanks for posting this video. :)
Thank you John MacArthur such an eloquent speaker!!! Glory to God he has given you such an amazing gift!
I completely gave up on a Pentecostal church and now I am at Grace baptist and I am so happy. I Never worry about the service being high jacked because the Pastor says God is moving in a different direction. I wanted to thank thank you John, I use to support your ministry monthly then I had back surgery and do to pain I am unable to work so I send money when I can but you still send the partner monthly gift every month, again thank you.
Martha, Martha, back surgery? Where were the elders of the church anointing with oil? Call them from the previous place if you have to.
You are not in a Faith building atmosphere, generally speaking, in a Baptist assembly. That is going to have greater consequences as you go on in life. You called the previous church " Pentecostal ", but that is not what a local assembly is about: how about a Christian Church, where you are taught that the Holy Spirit can be received in a separate act of faith after having received Jesus. That is wordy, but I like it better if one desires to label their Christian Church.
I thought of a compromise: stay in the Baptist Church where you are genuinely happy. Take a correspondence course to learn about Divine healing from another ministry. Healing becomes a bigger issue the older we get; everyone needs to learn about it to prepare for later years.
+No shoes No shirt No problem! GNOSTIC
Good for you,it is the best feeling to sit and listen to a biblical message without any theatrics.
I pastored a church that was infiltrated by some very extreme and crazy charismatics. It was a such a painful experience. The church split over it and I'm no longer a pastor. I praise God for John MacArthur and the truth that I have finally discovered.
People seem to be interested more in an experience than the truth.
Experience is truth on display
David Fritch What does the Bible call truth? Jesus says "Your word is truth" in His high priestly prayer. 2 Timothy 3:16 says the Bible is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness. It's the Bible that's truth, not experiences. All these special revelations don't add to the Bible, nor are they necessary for anything. All they accomplish is making those who lack faith and need a sign for reassurance feel good. That's why they're fake. It takes more faith to say, "God, this is in Your hands, and I pray Your will be done," than, "I command this to happen!" One is relying on your own faith to get things done, while the other is putting your faith wholly in God. Faith is an assurance of things unseen. Experiences aren't faith. They're unfaith. That's not even taking into account the fact that the signs gifts have ceased, and the Bible acknowledges this.
David Fritch
Yes...Sometimes. Sometimes not. Reference: Our Creators (Lord Jesus Christ) wilderness temptations. Also, that the just should live by faith [in God]!
Josh Peterson
I agree in part. God did & does use 'special expereinces' to help us as in many many Biblical accounts, also I hear of similar in places where the Gospel is being shared in new ground. Even hearing & answering our prayers is revealing He hears & cares. It's a difference however then chasing miracles. Note God in the flesh (Lord Jesus Christ) performed miracles but He also said this: "An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth".-Matthew 12.39-40. So go figure...
Because of seeking the Truth, and obedience, the experiences in my life came, usually unexpectedly.
Thanks, Pastor John MacArthur, for your information. It has illuminated my understanding of the Word and removed the blinders from my eyes. My faith in the body of Christ and church leaders has been restored. After over thirty years in the charismatic movement (raised Catholic, born-again as a Charismatic Catholic, mentored in The Vineyard Church and Word of Faith churches), I am leaving after the pandemic. Enough with the chaos, deception, and manipulation! May God continue to bless you and your ministry!
I’m one of those young big people who has been brought into Reformed Theology via the internet and RUclips. I thank God for godly and biblical preachers like John MacArthur.
Thank you John ,my life has changed since I have started studying the word of God and not just reading the Word.Your ministering and preaching has made my want a deeper walk with God in the past number of years.I thank God for you and others who have the courage to stand and speak the truth of the Word of God.I have since left the foolishness for the truth and yes repented and asked God to reveal every lie with in me and expose it to the the truth of Gods word.
If you have just started studying the Word, then you have not given your previous denomination a fair chance. You will probably leave this place soon, too.
Also, referring to your previous group as foolishness is a common thing that cult members almost universally do with their former Christian affiliation. This doesn't sound good to me, Elaine: you should be cautious about suddenly " finding the true Church" ( again, the usual statement made by Mormons & Jehovah's Witnesses). I don't like what you are testifying to here. Let me guess: if you have shared my comments with any of your new leaders, they will say that I am against the truth, right? Wrong, Elaine, I am not against truth.
I have to stand with John MacArthur. He has addressed an error in the charismatic movement when many are to afraid to take the errors head on. We have felt this here where we are in the UK, with many of our charismatic friends not listening to the whole Strange fire message before condemning it.
We are reformed in our theology now but I was in the word of faith movement for over 18 years and I am so thankful for people like John MacArthur who has been faithful in standing up for God's Word and the Truth it is. Strange fire has answered so many questions for me and I praise God for the courage of these men and their ministry.
In defense of Calvary Chapel, I sat under Chuck Smith's teaching for 10 years and can testify that it was 100% gospel. I know John believes that the charasmatic movement spawned off of Calvary but Calvary itself is not charasmatic. There wasn't any of the goofy things going on in there that charasmatics are doing today. No falling down, speaking in tongues, screaming, non stop hypnotic music, repetitious chanting and emotionalism. Also no, faith healing or name it and claim it and the power is in you prosperity new age teaching. Chuck taught through the Bible, cover to cover and never skipped passages on Hell or sin. He also favored many of the old hymns for worship. Yes, they allowed different styles of music but the lyrics were always Biblical. Mostly Psalms set to different music.
Their attitude toward the hippies was come as you are instead of turning them away like some churches were because the men had long hair and wore sandals. He didn't want to shut them out because of the way they looked. He wanted to reach out to a lost culture strung out on drugs and given over to sexual promescuity and present them with the gospel of Jesus Christ. Many of those people got saved, transformed and some became the great pastors we have today. I have no doubt that Chuck Smith was true Biblical Christian, a Godly man and was a great teacher of the Bible. I never found any of his teaching heretical or unbiblical and am grateful for his ministry. Maybe some people came out of there and created charasmatic churches but they didn't learn that from Chuck. Sometimes I think John gets a little hung up on the clothes and the style of music. As long as the Biblical truth is being taught in the church and the worship is reverent and honest, the rest is just personal taste.
Trucker_Pete Thank you! You said exactly what I wanted to say. I’m listening to this man because I agree with him in many ways and he’s a wonderful teacher. But I attend Calvary Chapel and i have never thought of it as Charismatic! God bless you :)
I actually lead worship and stay away from all the new, feel good songs that aren’t Biblically sound. I learned that from my pastor... I felt sad to hear Mr. MacArthur’s statements about CC.
@@whosoeversaved4ever474 I feel the same way. I like John MacArthur a lot and listen to his teaching regularly but he seems to have a bone to pick with Calvary that I don't really understand. I still attend Calvary and wouldn't be there if anything unbiblical or charismatic was going on there. I just felt I had to speak up for Calvary and Chuck Smith because I didn't see or hear any the charismatic behavior or false teaching that John accuses them of. Chuck Smith is one of the great teachers that has made a huge impact in this world and the lives of many of people. He should be honored as such.
I think John has a very traditional view of dress, conduct and music that makes it hard for him to accept other styles as legitimate as well. He believes everything in church should look and sound a certain way or there's something wrong with it but it's just his personal taste. It only really matters how God thinks about those things anyway.
Have a blessed day and weekend in Jesus Christ.
Thank you all for commenting! I am just coming out of a charismatic church/ prosperity gospel teaching church. Anyway I first came across sound teaching when I came across a podcast for Calvary chapel of Pasedena. Xavier Ríes is an awesome teacher. I recently found a Calvary chapel in my area and I too find that the teaching style is very expositional.
I do like John MacArthurs teaching as well. But I was starting to question the Calvary chapel because of what John was saying at strange fire and in this video.
I thank you all for confirming that Calvary chapel is a gospel teaching church!
@@followerofchrist5800 Remember that Pastor Chuck Smith authored a book 'Charisma vs. Charismania' that being said, if you've read the book you would know that Calvary Chapel does consider itself a 'charismatic' church which simply means that we believe that all the gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today and should be practiced by the Church. What Calvary Chapel is not practicing today, is the 'charismania' that many churches practice. There is an over-emphasis of the work of the Holy Spirit through the gifts that is not biblical. Calvary Chapel seeks to see the Holy Spirit move through the gifts, yet in a biblical way. Often, all the gifts are thrown out because of the controversial 'gift of tongues' but with a good study of 1 Corinthians 14, you'll see that the gift of tongues is a great gift for personal, private prayer, since it is directed to God & not to man, it is really a prayer language that builds up the believer who uses it. Not all have it, but it has great use for the believer who it has been given to by the Spirit who distributes the gift to believers as He wills.
I agree in Chuck Smith teaching.
I'm glad that I watched this video early on in the Strange Fire Conference, that and Q&A: Answering the Critics, because it enabled me to listen to the rest of it with an open mind. I now have a better understanding and appreciation of Cessationism. I truly appreciate brothers like MacArthur, RC Sproul, Steven Lawson, and Conrad Mbewe.
People might not like what he is saying..But I was blessed by the strange fire conference as many of my experiences in the NAR and WOF circles had me scratching my head as naively I thought that all that called itself church and Christian was infact church and Christian but boy was I wrong. Out of personal study of the word and seeking God He was faithful to point me in the way of truth whereby I saw/see and am convinced that God keeps His WORD the scriptures testify saying
“As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him” Ps 18:30
Nothing has given me more solace like knowing I can trust His word for He watches over His word to perform it.
“Then the LORD said to me, “You have seen well, for I am watching over my word to perform it.” Jeremiah 1:12
Jesus said this “sanctify them by thy truth THY WORD IS TRUTH.” John 17: 17 (Emphasis mine)
Jesus words are so plain here you would have to simply not understand in order to misunderstand them! And if you seek to shroud that as if what He plainly said means something else or something “deeper” even if one used the scripture.. then YOU whosoever you are, are being dishonest and handle the word deceitfully.
“ Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.” 2 Corinthians 4:1-7
Jesus also said this
“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, AND THERE ARE FEW WHO FIND IT.”
Matthew 7:13-14 (emphasis mine)
those words are also plain as day, one would have to do some weird twisting to misunderstand them and make them mean something else even if but to themselves.
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.” (Proverbs 9:10)
Be careful to judge righteous judgement for we are called to do so! And you can only do that by the fixed standard of truth..the WORD!
Despite how many may “feel” this is a faithful endeavor to call all men back to the word.
See that you don’t despise the Lords reproof.You know what reproof is? Rebuke, blame, disapproval and critique...and He does it in love because He knows best where errors lead and no son of His is without chastisement. And He does this by the Spirit through the Word.
I see this is an old clip, BUT Gods Word never gets old!! - blessings, brother Levi in Sweden
God bless JMac. I thank God that he lead me to godly men who believe the bible and read it as it was intended like Pastor John and R.C Sproul. Stay strong Pastor John you are having a great impact.
I am so appreciative of the Strange Fire Conference. someone I know is involved in the Word of Faith movement and I'm praying they will find their way out.
"It's not about the magic in the man, it's about the truth."
Yes I wrote that one down, along with 10 pages of notes, I spent 20 years in a cult like religious org. In Waco Tx. Some may know what I’m talking of, tongues was a requirement and every time I spoke like that, I was always evaluating if it sounded like the elders, and every one wanted to be seen by them. I’m so glad God/Jesus/Holy Spirit helped me to escape, I am on tract, still hearing from HS ON HOW to discern the Truth.
John McAthur is right to call out the charismatic heresy or other foolishness associated with it. But he speaks out of the ignorance of the power of the Spirit in those who allow the Spirit to do His work in them.
The point is "we must taste the spirits," but not to disregard ALL spiritual experiences, even those attributable to the Holy Spirit.
If we all followed the cessationist approach of John MacArthur, how would we know "what was, is, & is to come," as the bible says the Spirit would let us know these things? Like there is a prophecy of a coming depression like crisis coming to America. How can those who follow his teachings know about this?
Embracing what MacArthur is teaching is to disregard a great portion of the scriptures! How can he teach "the truth" while disregarding a portion of the scriptures? This is unheard of! And many people around the world follow his teachings! If he is an example of "the elders," surely many of us will fall in a ditch together with "the elders!"
The Lord bless you John for having the courage to call the false church out. I so wish I could have been at your conference! Liked.
"Those who believe need no sign and those who don't believe will challenge any sign given"
Because of Drs. MacArthur and Sproul, Legonair Ministry teaching fellows, Paul Washer, Voddie Baucham, and other Reformed Pastors and Teachers the Lord delivered me from the Arminian church, Pentecostal movement, and false teachers on January 29, 2022. I was lost even though I attended many churches including Calvary Chapel. I am now Reformed in my Theology and have embraced the doctrine of election and predestination. It is most assuring to know the Lord has chosen us before the foundations of the earth and Jesus will not lose one of us that the Father gives Him. Embracing Reformed Theology has caused me to leave my former church and it seems I've lost two very good friends who said I've become apostate simply because I now embrace Reformed Theology. It's been difficult finding a church in my area that is solidly Reformed but I know the Lord will direct me to one. I believe the Lord has His elect in many false churches and in His timing, He will call them out as He has done for many of us.
I’ve only been a born again Christian for 2 yrs and I feel so blessed that the Lord brought John MacArthur into my walk with Christ, since knowing John’s theology & the truth he teaches my wife & I have been persecuted by the very church I attended to the point our pastor gave us two options, either let him guide our theology (His Charismatic) or leave! We both prayed long & hard and the Lord God our Father in Heaven has led us to an amazing Church and a wonderful pastor. 🙏🏻 Amen 🙏🏻
I came from that movement, went to 5 different churches in that movement. Yes, I too used to pole vault the pews. But God, thats all i can say. Pastor, people like me in Texas stand with you. I give my life to Christ, and him crucified. I will not grow weary exposing this for what it is, along with preaching the true Gospel of Christ. We are praying for you, and your ministry. We love you. Just keep standing pastor.
I'm praying with you brother.
Calvary Chapel is driven by culture? Really? If it wasn't for the Calvary Chapels, the same-sex bathroom law for grades k-12 in California would now be law. But they stopped it. Maybe Pastor MacArthur should attend the Engage California conference at Calvary Chapel Chino Hills this Saturday. It's all about influencing our culture and taking it back for Jesus! It's especially open to pastors.
Ann, that is obviously not his meaning. He means on the issue of seeking to fit in with the culture on music and being more concerned about not offending people than offending God on accepting experience and similar issues. He is not saying that CC is utterly devoted to fitting in with the culture in every area and do nothing right.
Potters Way Church New Zealand agrees and teaches the discernment which you are teaching. These Churches are over here Down under but we are a thorn in the side of these Churches with a Kundalini Spirit. God Bless your ministry and thank you for Discerning the truth and leading the way, Pastor Robbie Drew.
Decerning spirits is a 1 Cor 12 gift. Is it still functioning.
Being raised Pentecostal , and living it for over 30 years.. I'm the son of a Pentecostal minister taught and groomed to succeed my parents in Pentecostalism .. I can say with absolute faith and conviction the power and spirituality is real and working in their churches today and is not of God...But it is as all powers and rulers, ordained by God.
This guy has no idea what goes on at Calvary Chapel. I remember Paul speaking about something like this "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." This is exactly what's going on here Mr. MacArthur wants more people in his seminary, more people to buy his books, and more people after his own theological bent.
Such crap
Yeah, he does. He was THERE when the Calvary Church denomination started. His church got some of their seekers.
Don’t buy his books and don’t like him - that’s fine. But it’s clear you don’t know his history in SoCal.
What Backlash! Pastor John MacArthur is truly a blessing a man anointed by The Lord. Not afraid to speak the truth and because of this many people including so called Pastors are afraid of him. He does not speak the feel good consciousness message that people want to hear in order to feel good about themselves.
What would he say about you using the word "anointed"?
He can't possibly be anointed he doesn't believe in that...check your facts.
Thank you for the truth that you preach and teach the world about the word of God
I watch this everytime. Thanks John Macarthur.
God bless grace church
May they be found in His favour.
I go to Calvary Chapel and I've never seen the charismatic movement there. I believe in speaking in tongues but I've never seen it in 45 years going to Calvary Chapel and I believe in miracles I I've had one happen to me. I have a personal relationship with Yeshua Ha Mashiach. I don't believe in signs and wonders as what Bethel Church teaches. That is what I call a charismatic church not Calvary Chapel. I still love John MacArthur's teachings and I have his Study Bible it's one of the best. We Are One in Christ and we will have different views.
Yeah, I go to Calvary Chapel and am hearing it's charismatic for the first time here.
MacArthur pointed out there was a "split" in Calvary ... early 70's .. Go back and listen again ... from the beginning to around 24:00; I love Calvary and listen to JD Farug, Hibbs, Hughes, .. including MacArthur's church, Grace Community. Every one has opinions and that's great. Nevertheless, all the truth is always found in the word of God and His word should always be the first place to go since all men are sinners and no one's ideas or commentaries can ever supersede the word of God;
@@loveofreedom777 well
said, God has given us discernment, and if we are in our word everyday and spend time with Him we can't be led astray. I listen to the same people! He's coming soon!
Thanks for sharing this. It gave me some interesting insights into Dr. MacArthur's thinking processes on writing the book and exposing those involved.
I knew a guy at my old church, who was so enamored by Christian Harfouche. This was about 15 years ago, I think he and his family arranged for his son to go to FSU, or something so they could all be near Christain Harfouche's ministry. Before I knew such a thing, I asked him for the anointing, and he kind of threw up his nose at me like he was so much better. John MacArthur is SO SPOT ON!
Since I left that Charismatic movement, my wallet is safer, my faith is stronger, and I have the joy of my Salvation. The Charismatics are basically a Church for know-nothing Christians. Sure, along with the Seeker Sensitive movement, they will get you to Church on Sunday morning with all their theatrics, but once you start to actually pray to Jesus Christ, repent of your sins, and start to grow in faith, it becomes painfully obvious that the Charismatics are interested in building the size of their Churches, not delivering the Gospel to the people.
"My wallet is safer" 😂😂 same brother
They asked for lots of money?
Jejeje I like it ,in my new congregation they don't sell food in a Sunday o make fundraiser.
Paul Christian Jenkins, J.D. this is so true it become very painfully obvious.
@@nicholasse7enfold they stress money all the time
I love John and I love the strange fire movement. However, I don't understand him attacking Chuck Smith. Though Calvary Chapel pastors may be continuists, I don't see them acting in ways that pentecostals do. I was apart of a pentecostal church, but left because of the unbiblical practices going on. Where did I go? Calvary Chapel. I went there because there was sound doctrine without all of the dramatics. No running, screaming, slaying in the spirit, or crazy tongues. Just teaching. So I don't understand why he keeps mentioning Chuck Smith.
Also, Smith has a book called Charisma vs Charismania, where he tells of his leaving the Foursquare denomination because of crazy unbiblical theatrics.
+yhvh4god 1 Corinthians 14:1-5 (ESV)
1 Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.
2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.
My sentiments exactly! Calvary Chapel is not even close to being like the garbage involved in strange fire stuff. They are just more casually dressed, are not 5 point Calvinist, nor cessationists.
Christa Otto because it’s a slippery slope and was a church denomination built on Chuck Smith’s personality and influence. Observe where the denomination went *immediately* upon his death. The denomination fractured. Some are Biblical churches and some went around the bend with his son-in-law. I’m leery of entire church denominations built upon a powerful personality.
I’d go to a Calvary Church, but I’d be mighty picky, after Smith’s death.
Agreed!
God is separating the sheep from the goats; the goats that are in the church, that is. And there are many. I am with you, Pastor MacArthur.
I was saved during the early 70's . I recently saw the movie, The Jesus Revolution, but I felt somewhat uncomfortable while watching the movie. In watching this video, "What has happened after the 'Srange Fire' Conference" I realized what it was that had disturbed me. It was that in the movie it was culture that dictated the direction of Christianity. Culture; ie., the world, must NEVER affecti Christianity. It is rather Christianity that should always affect culture, amen?
1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul. 2. Love your neighbor as yourself. It's really not that complicated.
How's that going for you?
***** How we love our neighbor depends absolutely on how we love our God, through a personal relationship with Him. If you love Him supremely, then, His love is in you through the power of His Holy Spirit who lives in you, as described in 1 Corinthians 13:4-8. And that should be the basis of how you ought to love your neighbor, as Jesus described it in Luke 10:29-37.
Golfster is correct for pointing out the simplicity of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It only becomes complicated if not outright impossible when Jesus Christ is not the Lord of your life.
***** The devil knows who Jesus is, but decided to oppose Him anyway. A personal relationship means when He speaks through His Word in the Bible, you listen and obey, and when you speak through prayers, He listens and grants them in due time. Being an enemy of God is not a personal relationship, OK, as much as, that between two opposing soldiers try to destroy each other.
That's what the Bible is for, to reveal the heavenly meanings of the same words, often in contrast to the their worldly meanings.
For the meaning of "love," the original Greek translation categorizes it into 3 kinds, brotherly love (phileo), romantic love (eros), and sacrificial love (agape). So, for a Christian marriage relationship, God expects nothing short of a sacrificial love (agape) on the part of the husband PERIOD.
Most people reject the Gospel because they don't feel the need for it yet. But do you know how many of them will change their mind right after the Rapture and the beginning of the Great Tribulation, as the cosmic clock is ticking toward the End of the World?
Jesus said you can't serve 2 masters, right? So, either He is your Lord or He is not, with nothing in between. And without the power of His Holy Spirit living in you, "picking up the cross and follow Him is absolutely impossible. If you know for certain that you're saved and going to heaven, why should you care for the worldly things which will be all burned up in the End, right? It's just differences in perspectives, either you have a heavenly one or a worldly one. That's all!
bud1990100
pretty good, so long as I never leave the house.
***** I was born & raised Buddhist by my parents, grandparents, and great grandmother from a long line of Thai Buddhist ancestry, so, I can tell you that the Gospel didn't make any sense to me at all in the beginning, because no human beings could ever prove to me that God exists, much less whether Jesus Christ is He. That had been the case until I felt the need for God that I began to seek Him, and by His grace, was found by Him. That was almost 6 years ago. Since then, the Lord has worked through me to bring 7 (former) Buddhists to Himself when they're born again in Jesus Christ. It's still a puzzle to me whether God choose man or the other way around.
All those 7 all told me that they never thought God exists until He revealed Himself to them that they believed. Faith is a totally alien concept in Buddhism, so until He gave them faith, they could not possibly believe in Him.
God bless...
John has done so much for Jesus and the Kingdom. It is sad that he has also cut himself off from so much the the Holy Spirit has to give. Really sad indeed.
macarthur is one of the most sound teachers ever,thank yahweh for sound preachers in these last&evil days
I’ve been exposed to many churches here in Taiwan, and the majority are charismatic churches. It took me awhile to find a good church out here that has sound doctrine and has a heart for the LORD. Through the process, I’m thankful for John MacArthur’s ministry and this conference even though it took me awhile to find. #2020
It's interesting to see the immense amount of criticism towards John saying he's too "legalistic." Perhaps not everyone will agree with everything he says, and that is fine. We need to be testing the words of every leader in the church today against what the bible says, including John, as I know he would agree with that. However, Paul and Peter repeatedly warn against false teachers in the church and Paul even gives Timothy the command to correct those with false teaching. Is not John doing this? Even if you disagree with John on some issues you have to commend him for boldly sticking up for the truth of the word. I also see a lot of comments about dropping petty arguments for unity and peace within the church. While unity and peace are absolutely essential, are they above truth? I'd say no and that sacrificing truth for unity is not healthy in building community. (see 2 Timothy 3: 16.)
Back to Paul. In writing to Timothy the second time, Paul is nearing the end of his life. The very last command he gives to Timothy is this coming from chapter 4: "In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage-with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry."
Preach the word. That is what our leaders should be doing to equip believers in making disciples of all people. Unfortunately, it seems we're seeking after revival instead of making disciples. More and more people are attending church for an "experience" or spiritual high, but are coming away with no instruction in the word or challenge to go out into the world and teach others to do the same. Jesus at the end of his life is praying for the disciples and says this in John 17:17: 17 "Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth." Christian sanctification comes through hearing, learning, and knowing the word of God through the power of the Holy Spirit.
It makes me genuinely sad when I see those who think studying scripture and wanting to know the truth is too boring for them. Those that chase after spiritual manifestations, signs, and wonders while they forget that its a miracle we even wake up with breath in our lungs every morning because the Lord allows it. I urge everyone to read the scripture with as little presuppositional bias as possible. Study it diligently. Follow the commands of Christ to make disciples. Understand the most important aspect of life is to radically abandon ourselves for the sake of Jesus and making his gospel known to the ends of the earth.
God bless you all.
Hi Joshua, I really appreciate what you've written here. It is like somebody has put some ideas in words. Thank you.
Careful.... Don't many of us have itching ears. What do you heap around you on the internet? And what is up with bourbon?
Ive been watching these on the sidelines been in Pentecost all my life this fresh fire is kinda strange phenomemna i accept jumping shouting dancing we. Believe in ACTS 2:38 I dont know alot of john. Mcdonald im aware of protestant theology and catholism tradition
Im not a fan of john mcdonald hes a cesstonalist im not ive been blrn of water and spirit accotding to Acts 2:38 i recieve the holy ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues any church or denomonation that oppses ACTS 2:38 IS ANOTHER. GOSPEL JUST LIKE ROMAN. CATHOLIC CULT
Very strong Comment my Brother. God bless ya from Germany
Praise the Lord for gospel ❤️
I am glad to be able to respond to this video. I think this should have been done years ago. Thank you.
I am so glad that at least this time you allow people to comment, bless you and your church "grace to you" May our God opens the windows of heaven, and pour out His blessings to your church. If there is such a thing as gifts of the Holy Spirit, I would pray that Lord please pour them out to this wonderful church so that coupling with the wonderful theology of John diligently seeking all his life, service and loving you , would powerfully influence our world to day. Amen! Let the Johns ,such a long time friendbe in unity in love in Christ Jesus in my heart burning desire prayer also Amen!
thanks John Mac
I read our Suffieciency in Christ by John Mac Arthur, and it changed my view of charismatic movement I already had doubts which I couldnt put my finger on, most churches are including too much charismatic style or are totally charismatic.The tide is unstoppable, only christs return will stop it in my opinion.The scariest thing is how secular people are accepting gay marriage and outrageous new things.The cultural marxists have destroyed the original european/scandinavian family
It's not just a European traditional family, it is a global Norm. The idea that the nuclear family is a western invention, is a leftist fabrication. I have lived in East Asia for over 20 years, and I can tell you, that the traditional family of Western Society is basically identical to Eastern Society. The people who say it is a western invention are lying.
I listened to John McArthur because he preach the Bible and unafraid to stand for the cause of the truth no matter what people will say against him.
You said Chuck Smith was a WONDERFUL MAN of God and even wrote forwards for him.... How can you say this about him now that he is DEAD?
John MacArthur is starting to show his true colors.
Hes right about four square theology.
Calvary chapel 101.
Not about culture part though.
@@isaiah92- huh.... what is he right about regarding Calvary Chapel's theology? It would help a lot if you specify. If you mean they are not reformed then yes, they are not reformed. But they are correct. Read all of scripture and not just Calvinist proof texts. Also, just read the gospels and see the character of Jesus and the Pharisees. And, Jesus said we could identify false prophets by their fruits and John Calvin's fruits were tyranny, and persecution and murder of those who didn't share his opinions. "Who so ever believeth" and the fact that it is not God's will that any should perish are clear enough for me. But maybe that's not what you were talking about. I can't tell... if you mean they do not believe the Bible teaches that the gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased, you are correct again. However I have attended 2 Calvary Chapels and both were very orderly with nothing strange going on
I never even heard anyone speak in tongues or make prophetic utterances in either of them.
TheRevering Chuck Smith is the man I have listened to for the last few years even no he has past I needed his teaching comping from we’re I was what a blessed teacher I was so hungry for the word as church didn’t give it me chuck smith will be well blessed in heaven
From 36:30 It is only the truth. Well summarized Dr Mac.
LINDA Wiley
JOHN MacArthur is the best pastor in our day. He knows the bible better than anyone else. He speaks the TRUTH. I have listened to him for along time, our churches should pattern theirs after his. Keep preaching Pastor John, people are listening!!! Wake up People, your salvation is at stake.
Bless You John,
Linda Wiley
Nice testimony. I heard about a man who celebrated 30 years as a member of a certain local church. I thought about that particular denomination as dying out quite a while before he joined it. How could a man join a church that died 50 years ago, stay there for 30 more, and not notice anything
wrong?
These kind of testimonies are anecdotal, not substantive.
Charismatics are those who practice the gifts.
Who are those people? Those who receive the gifts given by the Holy Spirit.
Pastor is a gift. Teacher is a gift. I believe writing is a gift too.
John MacArthur is a pastor and a teacher, and a writer. So, he is a charismatic too.
Praise God! I'm with you brother!
John MacArthur is a brother in Christ Jesus I love him and all my brethren as we all should love and pray for one another. I do enjoy his many sermons and exegesis and have benefited from them. He has done a lot in helping me to grow in the Word. I will pray for him to receive discernment and guidance in accordance with God's will. It's not what we want or like but rather what God so chooses for any of us.
You're all full of shit!
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Laura Dickson And you’re vulgar and hostile. So there.
Amen and thank you for being so honest and speaking the truth in love. God bless you, Sir. You are helping so many frustrated believers who know something is not right, but we could not put our finger on it.
I grew up in a church, in the 60's & 70's, that was very prone to the charismatic/strange fire theology. I don't think I can recall a week where there was not some tongues and it's associated "manifestations". I believe, as a result, at 18 when I left home for college, I ran from the church and God. Largely because there was always something in my spirit that just didn't gravitate toward the charismatic theology. 35 years later God got a hold of my heart, changed my life, and led me, in scripture, to a more reformed doctrine. I could not be more thankful. The Strange Fire book and conference has been an amazing thing to watch. It is spot on!
There was a lot of music that came out of the Jesus movement that blessed me so much. I don’t believe all of those people were wrong; maybe misinformed. I grew up with John’s messages, and I’m glad he did the strange fire conference. I knew that most of the Charismatic Movement was wrong. It’s good to have guys who expose the Bible’s truth, and the false preachers. Don’t know if there are any sound preachers where I am now. That’s very hard.
Missy Coyle,
Allow me please to re post here my comments above to joe long...
joe long,
''This man has guts. He has done the unthinkable ''==> It is because he thinks
that his teachings is true and biblical.... But he is wrong....
Calvinism is a mixture of Biblical Truth and man-made Lies and therefore
Calvinism is an Evil doctrine.....
For instance the Statement below which is the base of Calvinism is evil
because it contradicts the Character of God and cannot be supported by
the Scriptures....
''God arranges all things by His sovereign counsel, in such a way that
individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death,
and are to glorify Him by their destruction.''
I don’t doubt that Jesus is a merciful God; I just believe that the Word is sufficient for us. We are not to go above what is written in His Word. 1Cor 4-7. There must be a balance. I don’t know the guy about which you were talking, but I grew up listening to John Maccarthor preaching the Bible, precept upon precept. People don’t want to hear the hard core truth of the gospel, anymore. They want false teachers to tickle their ears. 2Tim 4. So there must be a daily repentance. People don’t like that word, either. Prepare to offend people if you speak out for Jesus. They hated Him. Who are we to think we’d be any different.
@@missycoyle5706,
Yes, Missy, I understand what you mean....
I just want to inform you with all sincerity,
that John McArthur is a Calvinist....
And
Calvinism is a mixture of Biblical Truth
and man-made Lies.....
Among the popular Calvinists now, I think
John Mac is the best....
And it is very wonderful to listen to the part
of Biblical Truth, But I said their doctrine is mixed with man-made Lies...
John Calvin did not understand the entirety
of the Beautiful Biblical doctrine of 'Election
and Predestination', so he added his own
understanding without Scriptural Support
and they even contradict the scriptures...
For instance the Statement below which is the base of Calvinism is evil
because it contradicts the Character of God and cannot be supported by
the Scriptures....
''God arranges all things by His sovereign counsel, in such a way that
individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death,
and are to glorify Him by their destruction.''
You can not Scripturally put all in the same boat. The Gifts of the Spirit are not an "age movement" and Nowhere do you see that the Gifts have ceased in the bible.There are Many who preach a false Jesus but that doesn't mean there is not the True Jesus Therefore just because there are False ministers that doesn't mean that True Ministers do not demonstrate the Gifts by the Spirit as the Spirit wills. We can not put aside the WORK of the Holy Spirit because these Gifts are to EDIFY the Body ( 1 Corinth 12:7, Ephesians 4:11-13)
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Amen
So many generalizations made about the charismatic community. While there are many groups that search after the 'feeling' experience, there are many that do not. We are to just plain and simple seek after Jesus! NOT the experiences, BUT we are not to quench the Spirit! Sometimes the Holy Spirit touches people in a dramatic way, but sometimes he doesn't, and either way is totally fine! THAT is not what we are to worship. We are to worship GOD. Any experience that follows that is cool, but that should just aid us in our relationships with God even more.
I m so glad somebody finally stood up for JESUS. Where would we be if luther didnt
john turner
I'm not so concerned with the strange fire, but with calvinism I am. God bless you.
I will stand with Grace Community Church and affirm that.
Spiritual arrogance my bad
I was saved in a Baptist Church in 1971 at the age of 15 being blessed with a bit of an idyllic memory it was very easy to memorise Scripture in detail. This made me very popular in bible quizzes.
I also understood the T.U.L.I.P. doctrines and also firmly believed them, even though I did have a burden to witness and preach the gospel.
After spending many hours of bible study the cessation doctrine started worrying me tremendously and also my relationship with God seemed so shallow and I needed more
18 October 1978 the Lord gloriously filled me with the precious Holy Spirit early in the morning about 3am while I was alone in my room there was no fanfare, there was no emotional up sweep, there were no clever Pentecostal clichés only a wonderful sensation of being so close to my Savior that it was almost tangible.
I was transformed from a intellectual know it all self righteous Calvinist to a intellectual know it all self righteous Pentecostal
It is a human trait to believe that we know all the answers but this attitude is very carnal. Spiritual pride and self righteousness is wrong and sinful.
God is not a Calvinist, God is not a Charismatic, God is not a Pentecostal or a Roman Catholic, evangelical He is our Father who loves all His children
And by children I do not mean everyone I mean all those who have received Jesus as per John 1:12
+Bobby Baker Excellent response here. Did you read my comment above concerning what Travis Allen, the man who organized the Strange Fire conference, did because I shared my truthful testimony with a man in his church that Jesus came to me in an awesome dream in 1973? I won't repeat it now, but NONE of them obeys the commands in 1 Thess. 5:20-21 and 1 John 4:1 to examine all claims of extrabiblical revelation and to not despise them.
I love finding stories like this! I was also saved in a Baptist Church very young. It took me a long time and some bit of doubts before realising God was God, and not a specific church. I also had never fully realized that Jesus was God in the flesh, nor who the Holy Spirit was. As soon as I knew the truth and believed, I was baptised in the Holy Spirit. It was amazing! God bless you on your journey :)
So are you saying you were saved and for 7 years you were saved without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? Thats new now isnt it?!
+Free Slave no not at all the Holy Spirit comes into our bodies at the rebirth Jesus gave the disciples the Holy Spirit in John 20 but told them to wait for the power in Acts1 which they received in Acts 2
this is the doctrine of the baptism of the Holy Spirit which I denied for 7 years
+Bobby Baker ok just a couple points
1 All those who are born again are indwelt by the Holy Spirit OT or new
2 the coming of the Holy Spirit on pentacost had many ramifications including gifts for prophecy to proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ, wind is the symbol of the Holy Spirits presence, fire is the symbol of His cleansing power and judgment, and inspired speech speaks of the reversal of what was done at Babel in judgement separating the peoples into different groups now bringing people of various languages together from every tribe and tongue,reunited as Gods chosen people.
For the early church, specifically the apostles, the outworking of the Holy Spirit through these signs, including healing, was to validate the gospel they were preaching. As you move through Acts it becomes clear that these specific gifts for this specific time begins to cease. Thats not to say, all gifts are ceased. And i know the bible is clear that satan will do signs to lead people astray. So im very careful not to jump on the signs bandwagon, which seems, to a large degree, to take peoples eyes off Jesus Christ and onto the signs. Im afraid many of the many who say to Jesus on the day of judgement will say Lord, Lord didnt we do this or that and He will say depart from me, I never knew you...
some of what ive gleaned from scripture...my words of course
My own experience is that John MacArthur is correct. I've seen how that strange fire will even dissipate after a while, but everyone is still falling over, writhing on the floor, or running around the sanctuary. They begin to feel that's their method of worship. Babbling in gibberish, prophecies that are either vague or don't come true, people acting drunk in the spirit, etc. So you begin to see all these manifestations done in a half-hearted way after a time. A that point, the Church is basically a mediocre, apostate church without any solid Bible doctrine. And as I have said in other videos, the Bible seems to take a back seat. Usually not a lot of Bible opening when this Strange Fire takes hold. I saw Cindy Jacobs get introduced one Sunday night, she got up and asked everyone who was in the upcoming Christmas production to come forward. They did, she waved her arms or something, and everyone just feel over backwards. She didn't even open her Bible. It was all this mass hypnosis, and just plain faking by a lot of people.
+Paul Jenkins Yes, it's true that Charismatics need to open their Bibles rather than roll around and give false prophecies, etc. However, Satan hates things of the Holy Spirit, and so does John MacArthur. I've heard him disparage people "feeling the presence of Christ" (which I have, during times of extreme crisis, although I am not and never was Charismatic), I've heard him mock people "waving their arms," while raising our hands in worship is all over the Bible (Solomon did this when he prayed in 1 Kings)and it obviously pleases God.'
I've heard him TELL GOD in a prayer, "You spoke then were silent." It was significant to me (but obviously lost on John), that just four months after the Strange Fire conference, mid-way through his Shepherd's Conference, with more than 3,000 pastors in attendance, the lights when out, and John had to finish his sermon in the dark, with a flash light. The Holy Spirit just spoke loud and clear to John and all of them, yet he said, "I'm still trying to process why this happened; I'll just leave it to the Lord."
Karen Reid
I HAVE seen that before. I knew a music pastor who seemed to be into secular music, even productions where Jesus was not even mentioned, and he had the counseling skills of an army boot.. His night to preach went EXACTLY as you said MacArthur's went. The lights went out, and other malfunctions in the sanctuary, and he could not even preach. They tried a portable microphone, etc., but NO. It's like the Holy Spirit slapped him down. And I could see it. Just like you, I left seeing the Holy Spirit perhaps work in a way that I had not expected, but frankly I understood. I saw then that for this pastor, Church was simply the company he worked for or something.
+Paul Jenkins Wow, good way to put it. "The church was simply a company he worked for or something." Sad, as I used to think Johnny Mac was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I received his 3 daily devotionals daily and read his books, but now that I've heard myself what he believes about the precious blood of my Savior, as well as encouraging people to take the Mark, well, I have to be obedient to the Lord in His Word to test those who claim to be apostles.
+Paul Jenkins I wanted to share with you a Scripture the Lord led me to. Ed Dingess put me down for my observation that God judged John MacArthur when the lights went out on him mid-sermon 4 months after the Strange Fire conference. He basically accused me of seeing charismatic/pentecostal "buggaboos" everywhere (although I'm not and never was charismatic). The Lord led me to a Scripture I was able to refute him with though, Isaiah 45:7, 'I FORM LIGHT AND CREATE DARKNESS, I make well-being and CREATE CALAMITY, I am the Lord, who does ALL THESE THINGS." Case closed.
"If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." Corinthians 13:2. The Strange Fire Q & A didn't have a lot of love for those who are lost. And frankly, they were kind of smug. Furthermore, Christian music has definitely helped my faith. I think God would be well pleased at seeing an entire congregation, with hands raised, singing "Our God is an awesome God, he reigns in Heaven and earth with wisdom, power, and love, Our God is an awesome God."
p.s. Pray for me, I have the flu!
Karen Reid
Here we are 5 years later and John was spot on. The TBN's of the world make Christianity a joke
I'm with you pastor mccarther...you have taught me so so much,
The word alone without the Spirit, is like a body without breath in it.
"Unless a man is born again of the Spirit and of water, he shall not enter heaven." And "the Spirit will lead you in all truths." "As you live in the Spirit, walk you also in the Spirit." "Quench not the Spirit." "As many as are led by the Spirit, to them gave He power to be the Sons of God." Also, "do not disregard prophecies."
It is right to point out the fake & foolish heretical excesses in the charismatic movement, but is also foolishness to disregard all spiritual experiences, as such. Whoever does so, "quenches the Spirit" & "disregards prophecies."
Follow Jesus Christ, be born again of the Spirit, & be led by Him, otherwise you will not walk the straight line, but will deviate to the left or to the right.
Just curious, Dr.'MacArthur, were there any DOCTRINAL compromises that Chuck Smith made with the "Jesus Movement"? I know there were a few accommodations made in peripheral style issues, like dress code, music style, etc
Not major salvation altering ones, but important ones regarding sovereignty and sacraments.
I think we can all admit that Martin Loyd Jones DID have a power of preaching like nothing I have ever heard
Here is David Guzik's response to John MacArthur.
Strange Fire and the Gifts for Today
The recent Strange Fire conference hosted by Dr. John MacArthur and Grace Community Church brought new energy to a long-standing disagreement in the Christian world.
The disagreement is between those who believe that many of the gifts of the Holy Spirit (often referred to in the New Testament) ceased with the end of the apostolic age, and those who believe the Holy Spirit continues to give those gifts to the present day. That sentence oversimplifies the debate and does not speak to many variations of position, but I think it is a fair (if overly simple) summary.
In this debate, I’m a definite continuationalist - believing the Holy Spirit continues to give these gifts to God’s people, distributing them as He wills. I believe in charisma, not charismania, and still think that Chuck Smith’s book Charisma versus Charismania is one of the best short, popular works on the subject. I believe that what are often thought of as more miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today, but should not be made the center of congregational life. Instead, worship, the Word of God, and love for one another should be the center of congregational life.
Despite the scorn that is sometimes directed towards those who believe such gifts continue, I genuinely love our cessationist brothers and sisters. I don’t think they are stupid or unspiritual, even though I think they are wrong. In my view, the reasons for the differences are mainly based on several wrong premises. I don’t agree with these cessationist premises, so I don’t agree with the conclusions that come from them.
What follows is not so much a positive case for the continuation of the gifts to the present day, as an attempt to understand the perspectives behind the disagreements and to note where I think the continuationalist view is correct. I hope to answer the question, “How can people who love Jesus and His word disagree so strongly?” It’s because cessationists come from quite different perspectives than continuationalists.
1. They see the purpose of supernatural gifts differently.
The New Testament mentions the operation of many different supernatural gifts or manifestations of the Holy Spirit among believers (miracles, gifts of healings, speaking in tongues, prophecy, and so forth).
Most cessationists believe the purpose of these supernatural gifts was to authenticate the message and/or messenger of God. Therefore, once the foundational apostles and prophets (Ephesians 2:20) died and the New Testament completed God’s perfectly authoritative revelation, there was and is no more need for these gifts.
This is inaccurate and incomplete. Certainly one reason for supernatural happenings in Bible times was to authenticate the message and the messenger. Yet, far more frequently, the purpose for these supernatural events is to build up, strengthen, and to edify the people of God (1 Corinthians 12:7, 14:12). If I believed the only purpose for these supernatural events was to authenticate the message, I might agree with my cessationist brothers - but I don’t, and I don’t think the Bible does either.
2. They see the nature of supernatural gifts differently.
Many cessationists believe that if the supernatural power described in the Book of Acts was still given by the Holy Spirit today, then gifted individuals would be able to heal and perform miracles at will. They could clear out hospitals with their healing powers, and do mind-blowing miracles whenever they wanted to. Since no one can do these things today, they believe it proves that the supernatural things in the New Testament don’t happen and can’t happen today.
This is inaccurate and incomplete. The gifted men in the Book of Acts and in the early church did not ever have power to do healings or miracles as they willed or on their own initiative. There were remarkable occasions when everyone in a given group was healed or when miraculous things happened in strange ways. In Acts 19:11 Luke described some of these with the curious phrase, “unusual miracles.”
Yet normally, neither Jesus (such as the Pool of Bethesda or the man at the Beautiful Gate) nor His followers in the Book of Acts cleared out hospitals or could do miracles at the exercise of their own will. Even Jesus insisted that He did nothing except what the Father told Him to do (John 5:19, 5:30, and 8:28), and Paul told us that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are distributed as He wills (1 Corinthians 12:11), not according to the will of the human instrument. It would be unbiblical to expect the Holy Spirit to work differently today.
Nevertheless, the Holy Spirit works today. It’s helpful to remember that the Book of Acts covers some 35 years. When we read it, we feel as though an amazing miracle happened every day, yet it gives highlights of a 35-year (or more) period. If one were to write the history of the Calvary Chapel movement over a 35-year period, it would read something like the Book of Acts. The same is true of many other wonderful movements of God’s Spirit in our day and over the generations.
3. They see the purpose and the nature of the gift of tongues differently.
Much of the criticism against the modern exercise of what is claimed to be the gift of tongues focuses on the idea that they are not real languages being spoken with clear structure and grammar and so forth. Claimed tongues speakers are derided as speaking gibberish or nonsense, not real languages.
Much of this is based on the wrong premise that the gift of tongues was meant to miraculously communicate the gospel or Biblical truth from one person to another, giving the ability to preach or share the gospel in an unknown language. Yet the Bible clearly says that the purpose of the gift of tongues is for people to speak to God, not for people to speak to people (1 Corinthians 14:2). When the disciples spoke on Pentecost, they did not preach to the crowd - Peter did that in the language they all understood (common Greek). Instead, they heard the Spirit-filled disciples “speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God” (Acts 2:11); this means they heard them praising God for His wonderful works.
The audience for the gift of tongues is God and not man, and the scriptures say of use of tongues “no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries” (1 Corinthians 14:2). When a one person overhears another person speaking to God in tongues, it might very well sound like gibberish or nonsense - that’s exactly what Paul described. Of course, it is possible for someone to imitate or fake the gift of tongues, and sadly, unwise and over-zealous people sometimes encourage this. Yet because tongues are to God and not to man, and because Paul himself told us that it could very well sound like nonsense to another, the legitimate gift of tongues cannot be dismissed because it does indeed sound like nonsense.
4. They don’t see the difference between the gift of prophecy and God’s eternal, authoritative revelation.
When I read cessationists make their point, I admire their high regard for the Bible (though I disagree with some of their approaches to the text). Zealous to protect the authority and unique character of Biblical revelation, they think it important to say that if God did give someone the gift of prophecy today, it would threaten the truth that the Bible is uniquely authoritative and sufficient.
I’m happy there are people who fight for the Bible’s unique authority and sufficiency, and there are some - perhaps many - in the Charismatic world who need to hear that important message. There are some - perhaps many - who regard “prophetic words” as more important or interesting than God’s eternal truth. This is wrong and needs to be spoken against.
Yet it is possible to make a clear distinction between what God uniquely, authoritatively gave through the foundation of the apostles and prophets (Ephesians 2:20) and spontaneous prophetic words that may be meaningful and important to individuals or particular congregations, but not universal. We don’t need to add more pages to our Bible when someone speaks with the gift of prophecy, and it would be foolish and sinful to do so.
Among the Corinthian Christians, prophecy was present (1 Corinthians 14:3, 14:24, 14:29-33). Yet there was no authoritative, universal revelation given to us from these Corinthian prophets - there is no “Letter of the Corinthians Prophets” in our New Testament. The Corinthian Christians and the Apostle Paul and seemingly everyone were able to make the distinction between God’s speaking to and through Paul and the other inspired writers of Scripture, and God’s speaking through the spontaneous and immediate gift of prophecy. It was important and meaningful for the Corinthians at that moment, but not beyond that. Paul also told Christians to judge each prophecy (1 Corinthians 14:29), something he never told anyone to do regarding God’s inspired word. It was understood that the exercise of the gift of prophecy worked in a different way than the authoritative revelation which came to us through the inspired apostles and prophets mentioned in Ephesians 2:20.
When I read someone I disagree with, to the best of my ability, I like to put myself in their place and think through the matter they way they do. In regard to the continuation of the gifts given by the Holy Spirit for the church today, if I thought that . . .
That the gifts were only or mostly given to authenticate God’s message or messenger
That in the New Testament those who exercised supernatural, miraculous gifts could do so at will, in any way or time they wanted
That the purpose of the gift of tongues was to communicate from person to person, and therefore had to be identifiable languages
That the practice of the gift of prophecy means that the Bible is not authoritative or sufficient
If I believed all those things, I would probably agree with my cessationist brethren. Since I strongly believe that none of those things are Biblically true, I am happy and at peace to understand that the Holy Spirit continues to give miraculous and supernatural gifts to His church as He wills. I am also happy and at peace to understand that the pursuit of these miraculous and supernatural gifts should not be the center of church life, but instead worship, God’s word, and love among God’s people.
aaron pearson very nicely explained! Thank you for sharing :)
so that you are not lacking in not one spiritual gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ
- 1 Corinthians 1:7
Amen
Brian Juntunen yes!!! DISCERNMENT
Ken Horn- editor of the Pentecostal Evangel wrote in today's magazine that the strange fire conference was bad. But I strongly disagree. I'm glad that people like John MacArthur EXPOSE the false converts today. Whenever I try to reach out to people it's ALWAYS these hypocrites that oppose me. Because it's offensive to tell the truth, the truth is divisive and exclusive. Absolute truth is Jesus Christ, and people in His day knew He was a man of integrity and did not pay attention to people's egos (Mark 12:14). If you have something against the truth, it's because of pride and love of sin, love the truth and you'll pursue it. Romans 10:2, your zeal for God should be based on knowledge and not emotion or self gratification. If your not willing to witness to someone because of fear of offense, you don't truly love anybody..
who is a false convert? Since i hold to a view that Holy Spiritual gifts are for today.
And it has greatly assisted me in ministering to people. Knowledge and wisdom are both spiritual gifts.
If nothing else, MacArthur demonstrates courage.
I wish this sermon was preached in several churches I know. This might lead to some clarity within the congregation, as the problems and repercussions for the entire church, if this infiltrates your own church!
at least he stands for what he believes, but I wonder how many really triumphant believers are there in his church and how many lead dull christian lives, in other words they are just waiting to die to live the kingdom life
You got that right - nothing else.
Kevin Boyes, ....the only ignorance here is on those who accept 'mcHealing' as being frauded upon the church these days. Sadly, this is bringing in the sheeple. Looking for an = experience.
But NO CHRIST...is found there. Just fraudsters looking for quick cash and applause...sigh
I can answer that. His hearers sound defeated and exhausted, negative on everything and hopelessly waiting for the end.
The strange fire conference series really woke me up to the truth, for I was an early saved christian and full of years of false doctrine seeking God in all the wrong places with all the faces, as I continued diligently I was lead to a small Baptist Church and that preach gave the simple gospel of Jesus Christ and I understand for the first time who Jesus Christ truly is, why He died on that cross and that I was a sinner no matter how good I thought I was as a person, I needed to be redeemed from my sin born nature by the believe in who Jesus Christ is, He's death burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of my sins, I came for that day accepted, confessed I m a sinner and asked Jesus to come into my life and save me, was baptized and my life has changed, is changing as I walk this life out with Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior, the sanctification process is on going as I grow deeper in understanding by the word of God, I thank God for His mercy and grace, and for preachers like John McCarthy!
Went to the Strange Fire conference myself - it was fabulous. The speakers were first-rate and thoroughly Biblical.
+Scott Campbell Dear brother ask the Holy Spirit to teach you when you read your Bible. Conferences will never teach you the truth from God. Jesus said in John 14: 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. Dear brother do you have communion with Holy Spirit ? Please read 1 Corinthians chapter 14: 2 in your Holy Bible and them only the Holy Spirit will teach you is tongues are from GOD... Blessings to you
+Marco Zeron Blessings Marco. Whenever the Word of God is faithfully taught - at a conference, at church, in a Bible study - the people of God can learn truth. The Bible is truth - and the location is irrelevant. In John 17:17 Jesus said, "Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth." May God lead you & me both into His truth.
+Scott Campbell Amen dude.
+Scott Campbell Have you received the spirit since you believed?
Paul
+1bbbbbaaaaa Of course I have, since, "Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him." Romans 8:9
I've left behind a Charismatic church, and my faith has grown by leaps and bounds. Once you know the Bible, it becomes very apparent that the Charismatics are going off the deep end. I've seen Rodney Howard Browne, Jesse Duplantis, Joyce Meyer, etc. and they were very entertaining, but none of them even cracked a Bible. I love the Scriptures, not some phony signs and wonders.
Hi, is this available on a podcast by any chance? I really appreciated this. Thank you for posting this!
Seeing this video now. It's 10 years old. John McArthur talking about multiculturalism, changing the history in order to control the history narrative. He was so right. That's why we have the issues we have now.
When the Lord revealed Himself to me, I never looked back. So many religious leaders preach God yet deny His power.... There is no doubt if this man walked on the day of Jesus would have denied Him and the apostles because of the power of God revealed in them....
I love the uninhibited teaching without alterior motives that Pastor Macarthur offers.
Miracles exist but not as a gift but as a liberal action of the will of God.He do what please Him and nobody can go against his Will.
first know what a miracle is in biblical language. Don't put 18th and 19th century terms that came from that movement to biblical language! If a person has one leg, then when that person grows a new leg, thats a miracle. Unlearn people. God help us! My people are destroy for lack of knowledge. Pentecostal have people mess up!
Christopher Brewer You never hear about the miracle of the new birth? Nothing to do with a new leg :)
the new birth is a common thing among believers, Just like women having babies, that does not surprise us. Now let me see you change Water to wine, that is a miracle!
Christopher Brewer I agree.
Excellent video
Greatest preacher of this century.
All who criticize John MacArthur on the Charismatic movement should first read "Strange Fire"; I have, and he is biblically correct. Or to put it another way, we should never criticize when we don't have the facts.
John is only concerned about teaching biblical truth, and we would all be better off if we were as devoted to the Lord Jesus Christ as much as he is. (I listen to his sermons an average 21 to 25 sermons a week and thank God for him, his work, his ministry, and his heart for the Lord.)
But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 1 Timothy 4:8
I saw him sitting with men here on RUclips in a video from the conference laughing and mocking the people that where let astrey buy these charismatic satanic leaders. Barking like dogs but instead of crying for them before the Lord they sit arrogant and self-righteous and laughing about it. It was nothing less then disgusting to me.
keep it real Thanks for keeping it real!
There is many things wrong with the strange fire, like cessationism for one.
Moody network wouldn't carry the program? Years ago, when I sent away for the application for Moody Bible Institute, they had a firm anti-charismatic stand.
Im grateful for your teachings and somebody has to talk about this.We all need to rightly divide the truth
Wow. Sound cut out for anyone else?
Just when I was starting to think, there's a man who loves the love of men."