With pleasure comes fear | J. Krishnamurti
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With pleasure comes fear | J. Krishnamurti
Extract from Public Talk 2, Brockwood Park, UK, 1976
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In other words, Fear comes from the thought of not getting the pleasure you want or losing the pleasure that you have. So, it is the fear of not having which connects pleasure and fear.
The greatest teacher of modern times.
he wants us understand it so bad.. this is ultimately so important for us to get to live happily
thought has no interest to end itself..
In real aloneness thought can see how mechanical, repetitive and limited it its, how actually intolerable and painfull emprisonment one is in, but its this actually enough or one is so heavily conditioned that it continues seeking pleasure while living its particular form of torture?
One thing that touched me is "observe it thats all".
That’s all you gotta do man
Listened to JK everyday for many years his teachings are so direct & powerful guiding us step by step to understand functioning of our conditioned mind helping to set us free
Started that journey 3 days ago
But Jk said to end conditioning immediately and should not be time dependent😁❤
I just thought on doing that... Cause, this is so good that "I need to hear it again tomorrow" (LOL)
I think I have to stop listening jk. He has pointed enormous significant thing for me. But knowledge interferes in examining the things. I found for attending one needs great sense of honesty & humility. I ve always escaped form myself & built many images, they are still here with me but now I am not suppressing them & staying with them & seeing how ridiculous they are. This channel is the best thing I have ever found on any social media platforms. Thank you so much sirs & madams, who are behind this. Thank you JK. no matter what will happen to me, whether I will be lost in despair or failed in my life but I will try to get out of this trap which is me. Thank you JIDDU KRISHNAMURTI 🙏🙏
Awesome, Imagine being the watcher of your thoughts ,no reaction ,no agenda to follow, no impulse...wow.
Then how to take action?Like only if I have a thought my aim is to become a doctor then I ll proceed to become.If we just see the thought and leave it and not think about it then won't we be lifeless.I am genuinely interested in his teachings but I got this doubt.Please enlighten me on this🙏
@@ashwinidombale7158 same doubt
@@ashwinidombale7158 he’s not saying to not take action take action when needed but don’t think it’s hard to explain but just observe if you want to be a doctor do that! But don’t let the mind wander just remain as the observer i hope this makes sense❤️
@@ashwinidombale7158 this is my take on it hope i helped😁
There is Nothing wrong with thoughts/thinking. It's the impulsive thoughts that's the enemy.
No motive, No direction, No bias, total, complete and full awareness
Incredible. Among the speeches by K that I’ve watched, this is probably the one that touched me the most. I will get back to this and watch it again and again, I sense the most precious treasure is hidden among these words.
He's fooling us and he knows it, thats why he repeats "I wonder if you can follow me" and laughs. He thinks it's funny, because it really is. You think that you're getting somewhere by listening to K, but that only means that you're not "looking at the whole map". What he really is implying all the time is that you already are where you want to be. You just dont want it to be true. Therefore he can fool you over and over again, as long as you fall for it. As long as you insist that theres something more than the place where you already are and that his teachings can bring you there he can fool you.
@@oscar_jgr then what do you suggest?
That means that this thought has given you pleasure and desire to re - listen it .
Very insightful
I simply adore this speech, i watch it frequently.
This being is just unbelievable. Thanks God for these videos! Awesome.
He is like master Oogway 🐢 for the MANKIND
Dear , dear man .
So I understand be gratefull for every moment and don't ask for more, just live a let live don't get attachment to anything I would wish to Krishnamurti be here to answer me and told me something. Thank you for sharing this. 🙏🏼
His body ain't but his spirit is eternal!
Thank you channel to upload...
One of the most important talks by K! Thank you for uploading this. He truly is the most remarkable man to walk this planet.
He asks a question the answer to which is obvious to him. But to all the others it's totally new.
His reaction: OMG
He reacts like this because he knows deep inside everyone knows the truth..
Thank you. This is beyond beautiful old speaker.
Much love to you ❣️ you are such a wonderful flower
Beautiful Master 💖🌹
Thank you sir 😊
just briliant .... the genius of clean thinking this man . keep the experience as it is ,without letting the thought to prostitute the beautiful unique experinces . :)) genius
Just in time for my life
Thank you so much for uploading these wonderful videos. Very much greatful and thankful to the phenomenal teacher. He is changing my life 🙏☺️
❤️thanks master❤️
Enjoying is now - not a problem.
Desire is wanting for the future . . . don’t do that.
Thank you
Got this? Good! 🙂
Thank you Sir
Brilliant 🎉
Started reading Krishnamurti”s books since 2000...
he is best
❤️🙏❤️
Observing without identifying is all that is taking place, anything else that arises from this is nonsense, simply noise that detracts one from its true purpose. The conditioned logical mind will never understand his pointing's. Jiddu is pure being.
Purity means not being caught by the movement of thought
Well this entire our time life here is nonsense in itself,but without it thers no realization,so u cant really dismiss it,u can enyoy all nonsense by yust knowing its not gona take over us its here to entertain us,cas if we dismiss all that we learn in that instance,then soon we would have to dismiss our time here to.
If we just observe and don't identify then how will we take further action?
There are no original thinkers now , we lost it completely
true
If I persue pleasure in listening to Krishnamurti's videos.... Will I be in fear?!
apparently yes! its known as 'Emotional Giggling', that we all do most of our time...i wish u could see this:-)
Definitely! He is not the destination. Only medium.
Where there is attachment there must be fear
I would question this. Is watching and listening to K like watching pure beauty? He once said, “if K was talking, he would go every day, because beauty changes every day.”
lol.... he he.... addicted to jiddu
To end it, is a thought surely.
No it's an action 😁
There is an experience recorded, which becomes knowledge. From that knowledge thought arises and action takes place. Experience, memory and knowledge are limited; therefore, thought is limited. Time is the past modifying itself in the present and becoming the future. The observer is the observed. The observed ends when observation without abstraction is.
I think it's possible to experience pleasure and have peace at the same time. That requires the abscence of glutony and a satisfaction with the simpler things in life. But I understand his point of view . . .
got it
If we fail to take, a long hard look at ourselves, we won’t know, we have rocks in our head-;#JeSuisPetrified
That fly😅
we might also call it overexcitement in the example of enjoying the pleasure of wellflavoured food longing for more as we finished eating it.
Do you see this?
..no?
Oh my god!
:D
6:13 wow...
i think people who dont know the context of the title or even the video or parts of the whole.video might misunderstand this. as he says seeking pleasure for.instance when flavouring food is not a problem but a natural component of.humans look for.joy. whatever you want to call this flavouring the mouthwatering sensation. but rather the search of pleasure Where is non creates the.problem
Hi
I am aware that there are people who seek pleasures out of fear.. Morbid curiosity and morbid pleasure stems out of our deepest and darkest corners of our psyche.. In our depths, we embody "darkness" and "evil" and subconsciously have cravings of dark and morbid pleasures..
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Pleasure and Fear are transformations that has created dualities. Water must have Wave or else it is not Water, there is a rise and fall and that is because of the external forces and mind is a confine there is both pleasure and sorrow, where fear is instilled in all causing all to face a dual entity to relay ie GOD
Jk said to never have a conflict but then if I am desiring pleasure(like to have the same food tomorrow) and forcefully trying to control it, isn't it the same as having conflict?Can anyone help here please.
Experts, please help answer--- Would we become very quiet by spending a tremendous energy amount of energy observing? How do we act in the everyday world?
Thanks to KFA for selecting and and posting this extract. What struck me was his saying, “this requires tremendous attention.” What I see in my mind is attention wandering, continually moving away from something. Then when one tries to force the mind to attend, there is conflict. So is the question, can the mind have “tremendous attention” without effort, to pay attention effortlessly?
The selections are curated by KFT.
Thanks KFT
You just need to settle into the present moment, it's not easy but you will find it easier and easier every time, forcing yourself to pay attention is the ego itself
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Sir, with due respect, i dont understand seeing things in totality and also not to register thoughts while observing things. Anyone, please explain
The example he provided is, when your looking at a map with an intention of going to a certain destination, you only look at the route that is needed ignoring the rest of the map. When you have a motive or a desire to go somewhere you do not see things in their totality.
Seeking pleasure means you have a direction, and it is not just seeking pleasure it is anything you want right now, you want to do it because you feel it will bring you fulfillment or pleasure. Someone might think things will be good if they get a promotion, other person thinks if they get married everything will be good. These thoughts and desires are different from person to person but it always causes a movement of thought which leads to more desire which also leads to fear and suffering like a cycle it is endless.
If you really see the mechanical, cyclical nature of this you will naturally begin to pay immense attention to everything, this slowly cultivates awareness that lets you see things simply the way they are. This way of seeing or observing gives you freedom from the cyclical nature of desire.
RICHARD LENZO I think you do, but does it require, as he says, “tremendous attention”? As I say in my comment above, do we usually have that kind of attention? And when we force the mind to have it, is there conflict unless we can attend without any effort? No direction, no desire, no goal, no thought, no effort? That’s a challenge, right?
Do like he said: watch a beautiful sunset, then watch this video again, then look at another sunset. Do it 'till you get his words. You'll not regret it. I could just say that it happen in that moment when your mind is still, but it's not quite like that, for there is movement when you try to close a door that the wind wants to open.
To see something totally is not to have direction. Direction means motive. Seeing without registration. When there is whole seeing, then you can describe better. The whole seeing will happen when you don't have any motive. If you have a motive then you won't see wholly.
as you rise a balance beam so it deceands
i am a horrible speller forgove me
repetition of intergration or merely a part, is Pleasure.
Listen to this one or don't.
6:14 damn gonna have to marinate on that line
damn gonna have to marinate on this whole video
Or do I ?
you should retitle this. what he.is.ultimately.saying is with psychological pleasure seeking will come.fear. it is simple.isnt it.
He always asks did u get it?? Are u following?? U understand?? Bcoz he knows that ppl like me don't get anything easily 😂😂😂
And probably people look like they didn't get a damn thing haha
Is he swatting a fly or gesticulating ?
It was interrupting the good speech lol
Analysis is the waste of time because the analyser is the error.
He's fooling us and he knows it, thats why he repeats "I wonder if you can follow me" and laughs. He thinks it's funny, because it really is. You think that you're getting somewhere by listening to K, but that only means that you're not "looking at the whole map". What he really is implying all the time is that you already are where you want to be. You just dont want it to be true. Therefore he can fool you over and over again, as long as you fall for it. As long as you insist that theres something more than the place where you already are and that his teachings can bring you there he can fool you.
Its out of your range😂