I have been running that combo for a while. Trail casing 29x2.4" Mazza front and 27.5x2.8" enduro casing Martello in the rear on my ebike. I think I had them ca. 2 months in the autumn in mud and wet loam conditions. Probably closer to 1000 km and they do not show much wear. I tried to run the same tyres in the snow, but the Martello packed up and did not work at all. Mazza in the front however is excellent in hard packed snow, very confidence inspiring. I switched between Maxxis DHF MaxxGrip and Mazza over the winter. I'd even say that Mazza was better, as it seemed to clear snow a bit better. Also Maxxis rubber compound froze up and started to develop cracks, so I unmounted it and saved the tyre for the upcoming wet season. I was running the DHF in the fall, after I had a couple big offs in the fall running the Mazza, front washed out on wet sniper roots. Not recommended. DHF MaxxGrip offered a very confident feeling. The combo feels to be harder rubber compound than Maxxis MaxxTerra. Rolls faster for sure. Some local riders also told me they do not wear down too fast at all. I do like the cornering knobbles. They seem to give better support than for example Dissector, Assegai or High Roller. I'd say pretty much on par with Minions. Mazza is an interesting tyre, if it has something to dig in,it offers good grip, but lack of confidence on wet roots and mossy rocks mean that I cannot ride them in the wet. I think it would work pretty well in the rear too, perhaps paired with a Mota in the front. Maybe if I find those on a good discount, I'll try them. I like the Vittoria casings, as even on trail casing you have a butyl insert protecting the bead, something you do not get with Maxxis, unless you go to DD casing. I agree that the front feels a bit bouncy though. I'll try running an insert and lower pressures (now running 22-23 psi) next summer, I think that will transform the tyre.
@@mtbtelly5522 Now after some more riding at different conditions I'll revisit this subject. I have now tried running the Mazza in the front at higher pressure. I now have much better confidence. I am now running at 24-25.5 psi. Man, those tyres really roll great now. I believe that as I was running lower and lower (even as low as 17-18 psi) pressure to get more grip, the knobs begun to buckle under load and as the load was released, they bounced back very fast, causing loss of grip. I have not tried the dual ply casing, which may give better support to the knobs. Still not my favorite tyre for wet slippery stuff, but I can make them work.
I actually found they gave me realky good grip in slippery roots. I have Cush core front and rear and my pressure is about normal. I did have a mazza up front and a Martello in the rear. Now I have a mazza up front and a morsa in the rear for dry conditions. Works amazing!
@@bikingwithryan5968 Thanks for your input. As I was trying to say in my previous post, I think I was running the tyres at too low pressures. I went up from 20-22 psi to 24-25.5 and they grip much better. Also on the wet roots and chattery stuff. I think the tall knobs and thinner trail casing in combination with too low pressure made the tire squirm and the knobs fold too much. As I can get Vittoria tyres at an affordable price, I think I'll try a 29x2.4 (or 2.6) Enduro casing Mazza in the front and a 27.5x2.6 in the rear. If I can find both in stock that is. My rear Martello is beginning to need a replacement soon.
same thoughts for me. They first seem too stiff and bouncy. But after 10 rides they got so nice! Incredible! I started to take care of those to keep them lasting, stop the skidding, got careful of how much pavement they roll on and now I even wash them. 👌 funny same thing for you! that's how they roll.
Lol the E on this stand for electric harder compound since meant for Ebikes hence heavier the regular martello will be a softer compound the the logo has the lighting logo 😄
I believe the rubber compound is the same as the regular Martello, but the casing is much thickerhence the extra weight. You’re right, the E is for e-bike, which they also recommend for “enduro” riding.
Back in the day their rubber was excellent, then it be came less great, and I’ve heard their newest release are excellent, but haven’t tried them yet. Eager to give them a spin
Seat tube angle is fine, I’ve got my seat slammed forward and it climbs great. Steeper would be better but its certainly adequate. Now I have a coil out back its excellent. The air shock was also great but more sensitive to a perfect setup. A couple psi either way would make for a slightly different ride. The coil feels the same every ride.
Hi I bought the Mazza as a front mud tyre in winter? Am I going to struggle in mud or is this why your struggling in the dry? And i suspect the extra weight of an e bike needed for an e bike tyre is not helping you on a manual bike perhaps? The e is for e bike hence the Ickle Lecy symbol 🔋sparky shaped thing, not e for enduro…? Just saying
I run the 2.6 Mazza in the front of my 5010 and it is terrific here in middle Tennessee, debating between Martello and Mazza rear but pretty much decided on the 2.4 Mazza for the rear. Nice review!
@@brianfentress4739 how was the climbing in Pisgah on the 2.6 mazza up front ? Did it few heavy or slow ? I’m headed up there soon . Currently have 2.4 dissector and 2.4 aggressor and looking for more grip but light
@@MikeKrynski not bad at all, it only stretched to 2.5 which was what I wanted in the first place, the grip out there is amazing, even wet we had zero problems. I would like to see the Mazzas with a little softer compound, currently running Kenda Hellkat and Helldiver. Still have my Mazzas for backup, you will like them in NC. We will be back in June!
have the same combo, on 27.5 inch. 2.35 for the Martello and 2.4 for the Mazza. both in Enduro Casing. i find them grippy, lots of traction in climbs. and fast. very rolling tyre. how much pressure are you using on them? I run about 2bar on each. sometimes little less.
@@mtbtelly5522 Sounds about right, Hard to tell watching a lot of your rides but us most of your riding on packed dirt rather than loose over hard? Would be good to hear an update from you on how it's all going since you packed the building in.
Have seen alot of your ridden trails it would be quite interresting to try out a Hellkat AEC front and Pinner AGC rear with no inserts for starters. Back to the Vittoria, cool that you just dont jump into conclusions about their performance. Sometimes one could have the impression that written/RUclips reviewers just points out what it says on the "tin".
I’ll try to learn what I can from them. Every tyre is a little different so I have to give myself time to acclimatise. Now they’re feeling closer to what I like in terms of grip, I can pay attention to the behaviour a little more and make them work
@@camb9759 Yeah, really good feedback and yes - we really ride different type of dirt Aussie vs. Scandinavia. The Kenda's to my liking just work so so well here and I dont have to run a heavier casing than ATC up front but changing from ATC and EMC out back. I took a Bontrager SE5 2.6/SE4 2.4 combo to the Alps to cope with their pointy rocks and hard roots in the dusty summertime and they held up super good.
@@truffletrouble7819 its getting a little wide there, but some prefer that setup as it allows for a more stable tyre. It does square them off a little more than I like but definitely still works
I found the martello in front needed a lot of fine tuning of PSI
Martello up front would be fast, quite slippery for my liking though
I have been running that combo for a while. Trail casing 29x2.4" Mazza front and 27.5x2.8" enduro casing Martello in the rear on my ebike. I think I had them ca. 2 months in the autumn in mud and wet loam conditions. Probably closer to 1000 km and they do not show much wear.
I tried to run the same tyres in the snow, but the Martello packed up and did not work at all. Mazza in the front however is excellent in hard packed snow, very confidence inspiring. I switched between Maxxis DHF MaxxGrip and Mazza over the winter. I'd even say that Mazza was better, as it seemed to clear snow a bit better. Also Maxxis rubber compound froze up and started to develop cracks, so I unmounted it and saved the tyre for the upcoming wet season. I was running the DHF in the fall, after I had a couple big offs in the fall running the Mazza, front washed out on wet sniper roots. Not recommended. DHF MaxxGrip offered a very confident feeling.
The combo feels to be harder rubber compound than Maxxis MaxxTerra. Rolls faster for sure. Some local riders also told me they do not wear down too fast at all.
I do like the cornering knobbles. They seem to give better support than for example Dissector, Assegai or High Roller. I'd say pretty much on par with Minions.
Mazza is an interesting tyre, if it has something to dig in,it offers good grip, but lack of confidence on wet roots and mossy rocks mean that I cannot ride them in the wet. I think it would work pretty well in the rear too, perhaps paired with a Mota in the front. Maybe if I find those on a good discount, I'll try them.
I like the Vittoria casings, as even on trail casing you have a butyl insert protecting the bead, something you do not get with Maxxis, unless you go to DD casing. I agree that the front feels a bit bouncy though. I'll try running an insert and lower pressures (now running 22-23 psi) next summer, I think that will transform the tyre.
Thanks for the detailed analysis! I agree I wouldn’t have much faith in the rubber on wet slippery stuff. ✌🏼✌🏼
@@mtbtelly5522 Now after some more riding at different conditions I'll revisit this subject.
I have now tried running the Mazza in the front at higher pressure. I now have much better confidence. I am now running at 24-25.5 psi. Man, those tyres really roll great now.
I believe that as I was running lower and lower (even as low as 17-18 psi) pressure to get more grip, the knobs begun to buckle under load and as the load was released, they bounced back very fast, causing loss of grip. I have not tried the dual ply casing, which may give better support to the knobs.
Still not my favorite tyre for wet slippery stuff, but I can make them work.
I actually found they gave me realky good grip in slippery roots. I have Cush core front and rear and my pressure is about normal. I did have a mazza up front and a Martello in the rear. Now I have a mazza up front and a morsa in the rear for dry conditions. Works amazing!
@@bikingwithryan5968 Thanks for your input.
As I was trying to say in my previous post, I think I was running the tyres at too low pressures. I went up from 20-22 psi to 24-25.5 and they grip much better. Also on the wet roots and chattery stuff. I think the tall knobs and thinner trail casing in combination with too low pressure made the tire squirm and the knobs fold too much.
As I can get Vittoria tyres at an affordable price, I think I'll try a 29x2.4 (or 2.6) Enduro casing Mazza in the front and a 27.5x2.6 in the rear. If I can find both in stock that is.
My rear Martello is beginning to need a replacement soon.
@@tsalesto awesome. I have the enduro casings right now
same thoughts for me. They first seem too stiff and bouncy. But after 10 rides they got so nice! Incredible! I started to take care of those to keep them lasting, stop the skidding, got careful of how much pavement they roll on and now I even wash them. 👌 funny same thing for you! that's how they roll.
Lol the E on this stand for electric harder compound since meant for Ebikes hence heavier the regular martello will be a softer compound the the logo has the lighting logo 😄
I believe the rubber compound is the same as the regular Martello, but the casing is much thickerhence the extra weight. You’re right, the E is for e-bike, which they also recommend for “enduro” riding.
@@mtbtelly5522 no, the rubber is harder
Have you had a chance to try some of the Spesh tires? They've released some new compounds just recently too, and cost half the price of most.
Back in the day their rubber was excellent, then it be came less great, and I’ve heard their newest release are excellent, but haven’t tried them yet. Eager to give them a spin
overall, how do you like the slash? I have one on order but it won't be here until September. Is the seat tube angle an issue at all?
Seat tube angle is fine, I’ve got my seat slammed forward and it climbs great. Steeper would be better but its certainly adequate. Now I have a coil out back its excellent. The air shock was also great but more sensitive to a perfect setup. A couple psi either way would make for a slightly different ride. The coil feels the same every ride.
Hellkat/nevegal 2 pro. Try this. Im wondering if this vittoria combo is better than mazza/agarro setup.
Hi I bought the Mazza as a front mud tyre in winter? Am I going to struggle in mud or is this why your struggling in the dry?
And i suspect the extra weight of an e bike needed for an e bike tyre is not helping you on a manual bike perhaps?
The e is for e bike hence the Ickle Lecy symbol 🔋sparky shaped thing, not e for enduro…? Just saying
Great video Ryan 👍🏻
Cheers tomi!!
You look like a Ryan man 👑🙏🤘
I run the 2.6 Mazza in the front of my 5010 and it is terrific here in middle Tennessee, debating between Martello and Mazza rear but pretty much decided on the 2.4 Mazza for the rear. Nice review!
Good choice, Enduro casing or trail?
Did you go with Mazza for rear as well? How do they feel?
Trail casings front and rear, love em, took them to pisgah, DuPont and Kanuga in NC and they were stellar. 2.6 front 2.4 rear
@@brianfentress4739 how was the climbing in Pisgah on the 2.6 mazza up front ? Did it few heavy or slow ? I’m headed up there soon . Currently have 2.4 dissector and 2.4 aggressor and looking for more grip but light
@@MikeKrynski not bad at all, it only stretched to 2.5 which was what I wanted in the first place, the grip out there is amazing, even wet we had zero problems. I would like to see the Mazzas with a little softer compound, currently running Kenda Hellkat and Helldiver. Still have my Mazzas for backup, you will like them in NC. We will be back in June!
have the same combo, on 27.5 inch. 2.35 for the Martello and 2.4 for the Mazza. both in Enduro Casing. i find them grippy, lots of traction in climbs. and fast. very rolling tyre. how much pressure are you using on them? I run about 2bar on each. sometimes little less.
posted the comment before hearing the 24Psi.. i thinkn it's a good pressure and for me, where I rode with them they are really good.
I agree. Tons of grip for me
Review king of Oz 👑🔥🇦🇺💪
can somebody compare to hansdamf orange/nobby blue setup?💣
Are you going to try lower pressure on loose trails? What rim width are you running?
Yeah, on the looser trails the front wants 21 but the back needs 24 without an insert. Any softer will ding the rim on a hard impact
Thats on 29mm front and 30mm rear for the rims, and the tyres are the 2.4 up front and the 2.35 out back
@@mtbtelly5522 Sounds about right, Hard to tell watching a lot of your rides but us most of your riding on packed dirt rather than loose over hard?
Would be good to hear an update from you on how it's all going since you packed the building in.
Have seen alot of your ridden trails it would be quite interresting to try out a Hellkat AEC front and Pinner AGC rear with no inserts for starters.
Back to the Vittoria, cool that you just dont jump into conclusions about their performance. Sometimes one could have the impression that written/RUclips reviewers just points out what it says on the "tin".
I’ll try to learn what I can from them. Every tyre is a little different so I have to give myself time to acclimatise. Now they’re feeling closer to what I like in terms of grip, I can pay attention to the behaviour a little more and make them work
@@camb9759 thanks for the heads up! Solid detail 👌🏽
@@camb9759 Yeah, really good feedback and yes - we really ride different type of dirt Aussie vs. Scandinavia. The Kenda's to my liking just work so so well here and I dont have to run a heavier casing than ATC up front but changing from ATC and EMC out back.
I took a Bontrager SE5 2.6/SE4 2.4 combo to the Alps to cope with their pointy rocks and hard roots in the dusty summertime and they held up super good.
Hellkat are a great tyre just don’t last very long in comparison to a maxis
Why don't you just put an Assegai front and a DHF or DHR rear and be done with it?!
I’m not sold on the Assegai. My go to is dhf maxx grip front, and Aggressor DD or DHR2 DH rear.
Well I'm glad you feel that way as that's what I just got ha. Need a new rim... is 35mm too wide for 2.5WT ?
@@truffletrouble7819 its getting a little wide there, but some prefer that setup as it allows for a more stable tyre. It does square them off a little more than I like but definitely still works
appreciate it coach