Hi Roger as a British builder myself I love using the same roof system here in Thailand so easy to use and very strong product. As always I just love your videos no matter what your doing. Keep up the great work. 👍 🙏🙏🙏
I've just helped a friend put one of these up, this video proved invaluable thank you! here's some observations that may help anyone else looking to build one: The head beam is an absolute nightmare to get on, it took 3 of us about 2.5hrs using a process of clamping, bashing and running scrapers up the inside to stop it catching on the insulated panels. The rivet gun absolutely kills your hands, getting one with longer handles is a must in my opinion. When the roof panels seat together they look like the should fit flush but they actually stop about 1cm off each other leaving what I assume to be a ventilation gap running the whole length on the inside, this freaked me out for a bit thinking we had done something wrong but you can just about see them in the video. There is seemingly no way to fit the roof panels without getting them covered in bitumen while positioning them because you have to feed them backwards, then forwards. On the kit we fitted the header corners were mis-labelled but it was obvious how they went on due to the angles.
Hello Chris The thermal insulation looks fine, but how good is the sound insulation? I am often on conference calls and I want to ensure I minimise the noise coming through the structure. Would appreciate any information you or your friend could provide.
@@jatindersehmbi6239 Yeah sound insulation is pretty good although this particular office is right next to a railway line! theres nothing that can fix that haha
@@theinsulatedpanelstore4740 Hello, I am 'the friend' - I'll send some photos no worries. I bought the building on the back of this video and we referenced it quite a lot during the build. Overall I'm very pleased with the building, and the customer service from you guys was great. It did take 2 seasoned DIYers more like 3 days to complete however (including fitting the door). Mine is on a timber base, if I was doing it again I'd lay a concrete one as balancing on the joists and noggins made everything harder with the build, especially lifting the roof panels into place. The header part was an absolute nightmare, I thought we'd never get it on to be honest. If the header had gone on before the door flashing things may have been simpler perhaps, as you end up with a big bow in the doorway which doesn't help things. If we'd have had some kind of prop for the door space it might have gone more smoothly. The floor is a very tight fit - best to use a pull bar like the sort you have when fitting a laminate floor, to tighten the panels up - otherwise the last panel wont fit.Its also really difficult to fit the floor without scratching the walls. Now its all done it looks great, It is also extremely warm in the building, even without heating. Pretty impressive.
Hi @@mttshw. What’s the internal finish like & is there any option to plaster it? I assume any electrics would need to be surface as mounted as it is.
@@Denboydeus the inside of the panels are white metal - I’ve left mine like this and ran a conduit around the bottom for plug sockets and things. Wiring for the lights is also in conduit mounted to the surface - it looks fine for an office. You could baton and plasterboard if you wanted, and put the wiring behind, I’m sure it would look good - but I had no need to.
What would make this an even better garden room is, add integral solar panels to the roof panels, with the addition of factory fitted led lighting, run cables in channels out to corresponding wall channels, add a small battery storage/inverter to one wall panel and Bob's your uncle you have an off grid garden room... So easy! If only!
@@IverKnackerovif it's well insulated it will need very little heating. 5.5m x 3.3m is 18.15m². Solar panels are already over 100 Watts per meter, 18 x 100+ Watts is 1.8kW.. So it's almost a 2KW roof. Should be enough to heat this well insulated room. Solar is improving all the time. Have you seen the new slates that are all solar panels that link together? They are of the Tesla solar roof and storage kit. Marques Brownlee, the famous RUclipsr, did his house with the Tesla kit and 3 batteries. After a year he put out a video. He now draws zero electricity from the grid over a year. Just from his roof. There's a new solar charging car being launched this year. It can charge up to 20 miles a day in UK/Holland, 30 miles in Spain. And it costs only £6,000 new. Only a tiny 2 seater. But still 20-30 miles of free fuel mileage a day on a £6k car is astonishing. Obviously car rental companies are queuing to buy them.
Would you cut down all the trees as well. I love these sort of comments. Let’s cut down all the trees near your home that provide cooling in summer and heat in winter (with no leaves letting sun through) for some solar panels. People really think this through
I build these for a living, base is always installed a week before we get there but generally it a day to get them water tight then finish rest of week with running electrics, cladding depending on finish either plasterboard or standard finish but there not a bad building to put up 👍
Wow. you trust someone because they made a video that depicts how simple something is when it can be edited to fuck, its content like this that makes people assume that work can be done at a click of the fingers, it’s also pre made and there’s probably more than two guys doing this... and if they got it done in a day they have earned more than a day rate to do the job. It’s mis informed, to make these guys look like they are doing something that others cannot. It’s a good idea don’t get me wrong... but in reality you’ve got something that was put up in a day, and what do they say about Rome? This is modern and cheap methods being applied... no one is going to look at it in 30 years time and see a structure worth keeping, chances are it will be gone by then... because it’s a shed. And as a carpenter and joiner of nearly 20 years I can tell you it is not a nice looking shed either. Stop believing these people and do some research, maybe you’ll see there’s more to everything than what you see from who you think you can trust
amazing, looked for years at pre fab and self build in both timber and brick etc.. This saves weeks of work and i dont actually think that much more in cost if at all. And even if a couple of K more would be worth it for the zero maintenance and excellent aesthetics. I am ordering one for sure.
was watching this while building a LEGO set - couldn’t help smiling at the comparison. No tools needed for my build, and it also wasn’t affected by weather 😅
That made me laugh. And 'man days' is also a measurement of time. Recently working on a refit in London. Left work on Friday, came in Monday morning and 2 large entrance halls had been tiled in Large format porcelain tiles. Looked nice. Asked site agent how long it took. One day he said. I asked what time did they start. Started at 6 am, finished at midnight he said. How many men i asked. 8, he said. So, 18 hours, multiplied by 8,= 144 hours. 1 day 👍👍👌👌
@@tilerman 😆😆😆 "man days" to right...... it's like the old fishing stories "I caught a fish thiiiiiiiiiiiiis BIG"..... yeah right mate 😒😁. The only reason I watched this video was because of the headline.... bloody clickbait...😁.... Thanks for sharing Busyboy 👍👍
My experience in a conservation area is that you ask if you need any permission and they tell you they don't know and that you should pay a fee to find out. Figure that one out! Job looks great Roger. 👍
Govt legislation requires LPAs to charge a fee to issue a certificate of lawfulness (ie to confirm in writing if permission/consent is required). It’s a legal document and advisable to avoid ant future problems/challenges.
Are rivets the only way to create a tight fit? It makes it impossible to disassemble the box. Also, the panels are a nightmare to recycle because the insulation is glued to the metal and the plastic. Also, there's no prefabricated cutouts for plumbing or wiring. The total price of this build is around 15K and I find that an awful lot of money for what you actually get. Having said this, your video is still very helpful. It's important to know what's on the market. What doesn't work for me might work for someone else.
Roger, I’ve built several garden office/workshop/offices using the same materials for the roof alone, in timber you’re looking at three - four weeks from slab form to finish. Heating is a doddle, I use mine as a workshop (6 x 4M) and only have a small fan heater to take any chill out of the room in the winter, my neighbours one (7 x 4M) I used electric underfloor heating laid in the floor levelling compound then underfloor heated suitable laminate flooring, these rooms are extremely efficient and more people could build these themselves especially using your method. Your welcome to come and see what I’ve built as I’m only in Ruislip. I’m building another as a favour for a friend in the coming weeks in Rickmansworth and then another for myself in Dorset later this year. Like you said, check planning restrictions but mostly can be built without planning permission, but always best to engage the neighbours first, you may even be asked to build one for them like I have.
I built a garden room with the intention of having a nice, quiet relaxing chill out zone. A place where i can wind down after a busy day, to light an incense stick, a place to contemplate and to work out the meaning of life. What's it all about, egg or chicken first if you like. Instead it's full of offcuts of timber that i'll never use, gone off bags of cement, a 3 legged dining table, a broken washing machine, various obsolete electrical good's, my warped vinyl collection, and 2 spare wheels for a Mk3 Ford Cortina ( a car i sold 28 years ago).
This is why poor people like us remain poor, and the rich get richer. They just think and act different. They think before they act. Poor people go out spending and wasting money for things they will never use. Or if they ever use them, it will be seldom. I myself have been contemplating building one of this to use as a gym but when I do the math, it just doesn't make sense. I can pay 30£ a month for a gym subscription and the gym is just 6 minutes drive, fully equipped with a swimming pool as well. Now compare that with spending 20£K and some change for a garden room, if you include the electricals and the gym equipment. It makes no sense. The 20£K goes a long way in paying off my mortgage or investing in something else where my money can grow. Of course I don't mean this if you are a millionaire and have enough money to waste. But if you are not, then it is a real financial illiteracy if you spend this much money for something you don't need or which you can get as a rental at a much cheaper price. Don't get me wrong brother, this rant is aimed at myself as well coz I am by no means a millionaire and I've been tempted many times to get one of this, but thankfully so far I have been able to overcome my temptations.
@@malanjinho8548 - I think a lot of people are using them as an office to work from home especially during the pandemic, that way I suppose it makes sense as it might eventually pay for itself.
Nice video Roger, I've been looking at these and they look like a good solution to what I'm after. What would you advise around getting electrics into the room and also finishing the internal walls?
Great vid as always Roger! Couple of questions Presuming cabling needs to be surface mounted as walls don’t have a cavity? Fixing shelves/TV etc… walls can take fixings or need to ply line/plasterboard etc? Cheers
Great video Roger! Very helpful. Just taken delivery of the same model. Interesting to see they have taken note of what you said with the hand riveter as the one I received with the kit was type you recommended.
I want one !!!! Not the outbuilding, a Skill Builder. It is now month 2 and I am still fitting my Wren Kitchen 🤣 Best thing I purchased for the job (and I did have big heavy screw clamps) were 2x short ratchet clamps, 2 medium and 2 long. Why didn't I get them before, I always needed them on other D.I.Y jobs ? Hey, I am a retired computer scientist, don't berate me, my wife does that one cupboard per day 😭🥴😂 I am almost finished and I tell her "Perfection takes time Mrs" 😎🤭😜
@@SkillBuilder My wife Sue had some choice words about my artistry after reading your comment. I won't repeat them 😆😅🤣😂 I am trying so very hard Buddy and she knows it. We have banter about how slow I have become. It is also a ploy and a very cunning plan. The more she asks for the kitchen the more I can let her know when I am fished "It's all yours darling!" 😎😂
What they don't tell you is that even if the concrete base is of level by the slightest amount, and off square by so little, it's a nightmare when it gets to the last third. I've been doing sectional timber buildings for 23yrs. And it still amazes me what some people expect there new buildings to site on. And all there doors and windows to close absolutely fine. I must admit it looks very,very well done 👏
I might be wrong but it looks like recessed electrics would be almost impossible in this style of build so you would probably need to run all the wiring surface mounted in conduit either PVC or Galvanised steel for a more industrial feel. Lighting would be tricky too. Recessed Downlights would be a nightmare so some kind of surface mounted LED fitting would possibly be best. These kind of kits save DIYers a lot of money until they have to get electricians involved. 😅
@@artisanelectrics ✌️What electrics would be needed? with such a well insulated building probably only lighting, perhaps a few cables for computers etc. Unless using for accommodation, but then it’s not sold as accommodation it’s sold as a garden room.
Interesting to understand how you would do ceiling lights. If you chase the wires in then you will loose the integrity of the insulated roof and would then have to fill it with a PVC beeding or something. Maybe you just suck it up and have a wire running across the ceiling. Also what about wall sockets... light switches etc. Hmmm
Excellent tutorial thank you, how would one hang a TV or a air-conditioning unit or is it not possible, can you get one so you can have a separated storage room Thanks.
Hey guys, love the channel, full of inspiration! I’d like to get one of the insulated panel store garden rooms but when I get in touch with them and ask questions I get really useless answers back! Here’s an example. I’d like to use a ground screws base, so I asked, how many screws do I need and what is the best support frame to put between. The answer was.. With regards to ground screws, unfortunately we cant offer advise on this you would need to approach a specialist installer/supplier ??? So helpful!
Im really interested in making one of these myself but cant justify laying a full 5x4m concrete base! Was thinking of mixing a few loads to make the parameter and maybe 2 rows of concrete across for the base to sit on, any thoughts?
Roger, do the ratchet straps come in the pack. If not, could you suggest whats a good set of ratchet straps in appropriate size for this structure. Thanks.
With the roof the way it is, do you not get cold thermal bridging from the soffit over the door and then onto the inside, as your ceiling panel and soffit is the same bit of metal?
@kevin conboy Hi, I think it less of a problem than I originally thought, but because the ceiling and the soffit are made of the same bit of metal, when its cold outside, the cold will travel across the metal from the soffit over the door and inside. Basically the ceiling by the door will become cold, so you might get condensation damp.. There is no bridging from the top of the roof to the ceiling, just from the soffit to the ceiling
@@davidkelly4841 Thank you for replying, I see what you mean now. As Skillbuilder said in there reply it was a good spot by you and maybe the manufacturer needs to look into it. All the best Kevin 👍
And the same for all the U-shaped steel channels along the top and bottom of the wall, and around the doorway. I guess they're not building a passivehaus, and not expecting anyone to live in it during the winter.
Great video when it rains will the metal roof make a lot off noise .Ask that because a friend off my got a metal shed a And he sed it made a lot off noise when it was raining it looks great 👍🏻
would it be possible to use this as a house extension as well ? seems well insulated comes with a roof and everything, looks sturdy enough for at least 20 years
I'd buy one but I'm concerned about how to install the electrical wiring. Conduit is not nice to the eye. Maybe drill through the insulation and wire as the build takes place?
Great project I do love Rodger saying he’s got a better riveter because of his poor arthritic hands then next clip of him was bashing a metal trim with his hand😆😆. I know we all do it.
Presumably would need to counter batten on the inside to run services and attach internal finishes? Are you planning to show how that would be done too?
Not sure about the farm shed green look, each to their own, I’d also be inclined to use a bitumen product on the base track rather rely on sticky foam on concrete, I’d also perhaps and lap an epdm between concrete and base track for belt and braces.
Hi Rodger….. I see these panels are insulated fully from the inside to the outside, May I ask a quick question of you, I am in the middle of building an outside garden summer house, The way I am constructing it is as follows….. 4x2s for the walls & 6x2s for the roof, The whole structure is being constructed as a warm roof scenario where I am having 2 inches of PIR insulation Closer to the inside walls which leaves me a 2 inch air gap facing the outside cladding, The ventilation will be all around the bottom of the cladding and up and over the cold roof and down the back, my question is do I still need to put a polythene vapour barrier on the inside, between the insulation and the panelling. The panelling on the inside will be 9 mm OSB board, Many Thanks Mark
Yes Mark use a polythen sheet on the inside before the plasterboard goes on. If you can avoid downlighters that will help but the vapour barrier on the inside will stop most of the moisture migrating up. You then have your ventilation to take care of the rest of it. Send us some pictures when you are done. www/skill-builder.uk/send
@@SkillBuilder WOW 😯…. Thanks for the prompt reply 👍 thank you so much for that, I wasn’t sure whether I would need it so that puts my mind at ease, no need to worry about downlights as I am going for an industrial look with surface mounted sockets and ducting, Thanks again Rodger 👍
with rising costs and house shortages, planning should be given more more housing this simple. with power storage soon we will not have to be on grid or in debt with banks!
Great !!!, Bro insulation sandwich panel detail is extremely strong structural, A part in the sandwich takes note to resemble assembly fit in which flashing not raining into the home. Perhaps, Silicon should be fixed between sandwich panels. I was working sandwich panel field, and I think that sandwich panels are very defensive in the majority of weather, and geography following Standard theory approval in EN 14509: 2013 sandwich panel is a material empty steel structure for don't very defend much something different.
One thing bad with this design is the trays that you sit the walls into. Any rain that runs off the panels can run into the trays. Only for that issue it is a pretty cool design.
The bottom trays are definitely a weak point. Water may drain out but there is no ventilation to dry out completely. The continuing dampness in the UK climate will find them out eventually. And they will sit on damp concrete.
Hello! thanks for the video and help building our own! but I would like some information...! Where could I order such a house so that I can build it myself! thank you if you are kind enough to tell me!!
You could batten and clad the outside in your timber of choice. Same with boarding inside if you wanted more homely finish. You're getting a good insulated envelope with minimal labour costs. You could just buy similar panels and roof only and attach to timber frame. Fair bit of work on the detailing, though.
You can buy those insulated panels on their own, and with rest of everything you would still pay roughly 1/4 of the price. Need to build a frame using 4x2s on walls and 5x2s on roof (double up roof if more than 3.5m long)
@@SkillBuilder nice attitude. It was a question as its titled a garden room not storage. So obviously would need electrics.. more curious. But I see I asked the wrong person. Thank you anyhows.
I like the all in idea, only but that niggles me is it would be good if the tools were and optional purchase, bit more eco friendly that way if you already have some or all of the tools already
The supply of tea bags and Lion bars is an absolute genius idea ! It just shows the level of detail that has been taken into account.
if Infomercials had a red carpet hollywood award cremony, Roger would need a tuxedo to collect all the skill builder golden oscars
True!
I wouldn't agree with that comment. Stop brown nosing.
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Hi Roger as a British builder myself I love using the same roof system here in Thailand so easy to use and very strong product. As always I just love your videos no matter what your doing. Keep up the great work. 👍 🙏🙏🙏
I've just helped a friend put one of these up, this video proved invaluable thank you! here's some observations that may help anyone else looking to build one: The head beam is an absolute nightmare to get on, it took 3 of us about 2.5hrs using a process of clamping, bashing and running scrapers up the inside to stop it catching on the insulated panels. The rivet gun absolutely kills your hands, getting one with longer handles is a must in my opinion. When the roof panels seat together they look like the should fit flush but they actually stop about 1cm off each other leaving what I assume to be a ventilation gap running the whole length on the inside, this freaked me out for a bit thinking we had done something wrong but you can just about see them in the video. There is seemingly no way to fit the roof panels without getting them covered in bitumen while positioning them because you have to feed them backwards, then forwards. On the kit we fitted the header corners were mis-labelled but it was obvious how they went on due to the angles.
Hello Chris
The thermal insulation looks fine, but how good is the sound insulation? I am often on conference calls and I want to ensure I minimise the noise coming through the structure. Would appreciate any information you or your friend could provide.
@@jatindersehmbi6239 Yeah sound insulation is pretty good although this particular office is right next to a railway line! theres nothing that can fix that haha
@@theinsulatedpanelstore4740 Hello, I am 'the friend' - I'll send some photos no worries. I bought the building on the back of this video and we referenced it quite a lot during the build. Overall I'm very pleased with the building, and the customer service from you guys was great. It did take 2 seasoned DIYers more like 3 days to complete however (including fitting the door). Mine is on a timber base, if I was doing it again I'd lay a concrete one as balancing on the joists and noggins made everything harder with the build, especially lifting the roof panels into place. The header part was an absolute nightmare, I thought we'd never get it on to be honest. If the header had gone on before the door flashing things may have been simpler perhaps, as you end up with a big bow in the doorway which doesn't help things. If we'd have had some kind of prop for the door space it might have gone more smoothly. The floor is a very tight fit - best to use a pull bar like the sort you have when fitting a laminate floor, to tighten the panels up - otherwise the last panel wont fit.Its also really difficult to fit the floor without scratching the walls. Now its all done it looks great, It is also extremely warm in the building, even without heating. Pretty impressive.
Hi @@mttshw. What’s the internal finish like & is there any option to plaster it? I assume any electrics would need to be surface as mounted as it is.
@@Denboydeus the inside of the panels are white metal - I’ve left mine like this and ran a conduit around the bottom for plug sockets and things. Wiring for the lights is also in conduit mounted to the surface - it looks fine for an office. You could baton and plasterboard if you wanted, and put the wiring behind, I’m sure it would look good - but I had no need to.
What would make this an even better garden room is, add integral solar panels to the roof panels, with the addition of factory fitted led lighting, run cables in channels out to corresponding wall channels, add a small battery storage/inverter to one wall panel and Bob's your uncle you have an off grid garden room... So easy! If only!
Except that in the winter, when you need the most power for light and heating, there’s not enough solar …so it would be a waste of money
Doors would be a good start.
@@nickwalmsley8909just like the ones at the end of the video?
@@IverKnackerovif it's well insulated it will need very little heating. 5.5m x 3.3m is 18.15m². Solar panels are already over 100 Watts per meter, 18 x 100+ Watts is 1.8kW.. So it's almost a 2KW roof. Should be enough to heat this well insulated room.
Solar is improving all the time. Have you seen the new slates that are all solar panels that link together? They are of the Tesla solar roof and storage kit. Marques Brownlee, the famous RUclipsr, did his house with the Tesla kit and 3 batteries. After a year he put out a video. He now draws zero electricity from the grid over a year. Just from his roof.
There's a new solar charging car being launched this year. It can charge up to 20 miles a day in UK/Holland, 30 miles in Spain. And it costs only £6,000 new. Only a tiny 2 seater. But still 20-30 miles of free fuel mileage a day on a £6k car is astonishing. Obviously car rental companies are queuing to buy them.
Would you cut down all the trees as well. I love these sort of comments. Let’s cut down all the trees near your home that provide cooling in summer and heat in winter (with no leaves letting sun through) for some solar panels. People really think this through
I build these for a living, base is always installed a week before we get there but generally it a day to get them water tight then finish rest of week with running electrics, cladding depending on finish either plasterboard or standard finish but there not a bad building to put up 👍
hi..do you have a contact number or email/website as im looking for someone to build this for me :)
Any contact details?
how sound proof are these? how to they compare to normal wooden fully insulated garden rooms? thanks!
are these any good as bedroom
Roger- you are one of the very few tradesmen I would trust to do a job for me. I do almost all my building work myself.
Wow. you trust someone because they made a video that depicts how simple something is when it can be edited to fuck, its content like this that makes people assume that work can be done at a click of the fingers, it’s also pre made and there’s probably more than two guys doing this... and if they got it done in a day they have earned more than a day rate to do the job. It’s mis informed, to make these guys look like they are doing something that others cannot. It’s a good idea don’t get me wrong... but in reality you’ve got something that was put up in a day, and what do they say about Rome? This is modern and cheap methods being applied... no one is going to look at it in 30 years time and see a structure worth keeping, chances are it will be gone by then... because it’s a shed. And as a carpenter and joiner of nearly 20 years I can tell you it is not a nice looking shed either. Stop believing these people and do some research, maybe you’ll see there’s more to everything than what you see from who you think you can trust
I agree it’s somewhat agricultural looking
amazing, looked for years at pre fab and self build in both timber and brick etc.. This saves weeks of work and i dont actually think that much more in cost if at all. And even if a couple of K more would be worth it for the zero maintenance and excellent aesthetics. I am ordering one for sure.
How did you get on then?
@ unfortunately as I was planning it all marriage broke down so it all went on hold.
Can you believe it. A RUclips advert that may actually make me buy something
was watching this while building a LEGO set - couldn’t help smiling at the comparison. No tools needed for my build, and it also wasn’t affected by weather 😅
Probably paid about the same too 😅😅
60 seconds = 1 minute....
60 minutes = 1 hour.....
72 hours = 1 day...... 😁
Nice job fella's, well done 👍
That made me laugh. And 'man days' is also a measurement of time. Recently working on a refit in London. Left work on Friday, came in Monday morning and 2 large entrance halls had been tiled in Large format porcelain tiles. Looked nice. Asked site agent how long it took. One day he said. I asked what time did they start. Started at 6 am, finished at midnight he said. How many men i asked. 8, he said. So, 18 hours, multiplied by 8,= 144 hours. 1 day 👍👍👌👌
@@tilerman 😆😆😆 "man days" to right...... it's like the old fishing stories "I caught a fish thiiiiiiiiiiiiis BIG"..... yeah right mate 😒😁.
The only reason I watched this video was because of the headline.... bloody clickbait...😁....
Thanks for sharing Busyboy 👍👍
My experience in a conservation area is that you ask if you need any permission and they tell you they don't know and that you should pay a fee to find out. Figure that one out! Job looks great Roger. 👍
Govt legislation requires LPAs to charge a fee to issue a certificate of lawfulness (ie to confirm in writing if permission/consent is required). It’s a legal document and advisable to avoid ant future problems/challenges.
Best not to ask
Are rivets the only way to create a tight fit? It makes it impossible to disassemble the box. Also, the panels are a nightmare to recycle because the insulation is glued to the metal and the plastic.
Also, there's no prefabricated cutouts for plumbing or wiring.
The total price of this build is around 15K and I find that an awful lot of money for what you actually get.
Having said this, your video is still very helpful. It's important to know what's on the market. What doesn't work for me might work for someone else.
I watched 'The restoration couple' channel. They used this on there workshop timber frame and cladded over, it looked very nice
A modular building for gardens 👍 I build modular temp schools and accommodation. Great idea but hopefully the prices reduce for homeowners
Your videos are getting better and better. Thanks Roger!
Glad you like them! These videos take a fair amount of setting up
Roger, I’ve built several garden office/workshop/offices using the same materials for the roof alone, in timber you’re looking at three - four weeks from slab form to finish. Heating is a doddle, I use mine as a workshop (6 x 4M) and only have a small fan heater to take any chill out of the room in the winter, my neighbours one (7 x 4M) I used electric underfloor heating laid in the floor levelling compound then underfloor heated suitable laminate flooring, these rooms are extremely efficient and more people could build these themselves especially using your method. Your welcome to come and see what I’ve built as I’m only in Ruislip. I’m building another as a favour for a friend in the coming weeks in Rickmansworth and then another for myself in Dorset later this year. Like you said, check planning restrictions but mostly can be built without planning permission, but always best to engage the neighbours first, you may even be asked to build one for them like I have.
Exactly how I made my pond, coldstore panels, solid as half buried plus it's insulated too.
Thanks for sharing Roger, looks like a great product, and expertly assembled.
I built a garden room with the intention of having a nice, quiet relaxing chill out zone. A place where i can wind down after a busy day, to light an incense stick, a place to contemplate and to work out the meaning of life. What's it all about, egg or chicken first if you like. Instead it's full of offcuts of timber that i'll never use, gone off bags of cement, a 3 legged dining table, a broken washing machine, various obsolete electrical good's, my warped vinyl collection, and 2 spare wheels for a Mk3 Ford Cortina ( a car i sold 28 years ago).
This is why poor people like us remain poor, and the rich get richer. They just think and act different. They think before they act.
Poor people go out spending and wasting money for things they will never use. Or if they ever use them, it will be seldom.
I myself have been contemplating building one of this to use as a gym but when I do the math, it just doesn't make sense. I can pay 30£ a month for a gym subscription and the gym is just 6 minutes drive, fully equipped with a swimming pool as well.
Now compare that with spending 20£K and some change for a garden room, if you include the electricals and the gym equipment. It makes no sense. The 20£K goes a long way in paying off my mortgage or investing in something else where my money can grow.
Of course I don't mean this if you are a millionaire and have enough money to waste. But if you are not, then it is a real financial illiteracy if you spend this much money for something you don't need or which you can get as a rental at a much cheaper price.
Don't get me wrong brother, this rant is aimed at myself as well coz I am by no means a millionaire and I've been tempted many times to get one of this, but thankfully so far I have been able to overcome my temptations.
@@malanjinho8548 - I think a lot of people are using them as an office to work from home especially during the pandemic, that way I suppose it makes sense as it might eventually pay for itself.
@@jmk1962 agreed. If you're gonna make good use of the space, it makes a lot of sense.
thats absolutley brilliant and something I think I could do with my wife, we are looking for something like this for our hot tub.
i sense a divorce could follow soon
"A man who follows instructions".
Now that is a rarity. 😉
Nice video Roger, I've been looking at these and they look like a good solution to what I'm after. What would you advise around getting electrics into the room and also finishing the internal walls?
Great vid as always Roger!
Couple of questions
Presuming cabling needs to be surface mounted as walls don’t have a cavity?
Fixing shelves/TV etc… walls can take fixings or need to ply line/plasterboard etc?
Cheers
Great video Roger! Very helpful. Just taken delivery of the same model. Interesting to see they have taken note of what you said with the hand riveter as the one I received with the kit was type you recommended.
These panels are great we use something similar made by Kingspan to build clean rooms for manufacturers/ pharmaceutical companies.
Oh wow this is a briliant product. I have never seen
Nice video Roger. What’s your opinion on these garden rooms in regards to damp etc? Are they a good idea in the UK?
I want one !!!! Not the outbuilding, a Skill Builder. It is now month 2 and I am still fitting my Wren Kitchen 🤣 Best thing I purchased for the job (and I did have big heavy screw clamps) were 2x short ratchet clamps, 2 medium and 2 long. Why didn't I get them before, I always needed them on other D.I.Y jobs ? Hey, I am a retired computer scientist, don't berate me, my wife does that one cupboard per day 😭🥴😂 I am almost finished and I tell her "Perfection takes time Mrs" 😎🤭😜
Tell her that she should not rush an artist
@@SkillBuilder My wife Sue had some choice words about my artistry after reading your comment. I won't repeat them 😆😅🤣😂 I am trying so very hard Buddy and she knows it. We have banter about how slow I have become. It is also a ploy and a very cunning plan. The more she asks for the kitchen the more I can let her know when I am fished "It's all yours darling!" 😎😂
What they don't tell you is that even if the concrete base is of level by the slightest amount, and off square by so little, it's a nightmare when it gets to the last third. I've been doing sectional timber buildings for 23yrs. And it still amazes me what some people expect there new buildings to site on. And all there doors and windows to close absolutely fine. I must admit it looks very,very well done 👏
I did talk abou the importance of the base. A good laser helps.
Lovely job pal! Amazing 👏
Really like this one Roger (and team) this is a winner everytime
Always lovely to get a DIY tutorial by Jason Statham
Excellent sir great job Pakistan 🇵🇰
Wow that is awesome product!
Great modern build! I will look into these! You are the best Roger!
It would be interesting to see another one on the electrical installation.
I was wondering about this also. Maybe the first fix is carried out as its assembled.
I also was wondering about that.
I might be wrong but it looks like recessed electrics would be almost impossible in this style of build so you would probably need to run all the wiring surface mounted in conduit either PVC or Galvanised steel for a more industrial feel. Lighting would be tricky too. Recessed Downlights would be a nightmare so some kind of surface mounted LED fitting would possibly be best. These kind of kits save DIYers a lot of money until they have to get electricians involved. 😅
I had a quick look at the website, and there does not seem to mention electrics or lighting. Strange
@@artisanelectrics
✌️What electrics would be needed?
with such a well insulated building probably only lighting, perhaps a few cables for computers etc.
Unless using for accommodation, but then it’s not sold as accommodation it’s sold as a garden room.
It’s almost like building a large walk-in cold room freezer with a glass front.
Interesting to understand how you would do ceiling lights. If you chase the wires in then you will loose the integrity of the insulated roof and would then have to fill it with a PVC beeding or something. Maybe you just suck it up and have a wire running across the ceiling.
Also what about wall sockets... light switches etc.
Hmmm
Most use wall mounted LED track lighting place around the frond and back sides.
Excellent tutorial thank you, how would one hang a TV or a air-conditioning unit or is it not possible, can you get one so you can have a separated storage room Thanks.
One day! Awesome. That's why you call yourself as Skill Builder :)
LOVE IT VERY ELEGANT VERY STABLE....T.Y...GOD BLESS I WANT ONE IN THE FUTURE....
Hey guys, love the channel, full of inspiration! I’d like to get one of the insulated panel store garden rooms but when I get in touch with them and ask questions I get really useless answers back! Here’s an example. I’d like to use a ground screws base, so I asked, how many screws do I need and what is the best support frame to put between. The answer was..
With regards to ground screws, unfortunately we cant offer advise on this you would need to approach a specialist installer/supplier
???
So helpful!
Im really interested in making one of these myself but cant justify laying a full 5x4m concrete base! Was thinking of mixing a few loads to make the parameter and maybe 2 rows of concrete across for the base to sit on, any thoughts?
I need a spare garden room....do I go for log cabin or garden room? What is your suggestion Mr Roger!
It's brilliant
What a legend builder very professional videos are great to watch!
Looks the biscuits bub and so handy put together looks like it will be nice and warm 😊
how much did this cost from the base, time/labour and the actal garden room?
Nice build Roger !!!! Great video !!!
If only these were for sale in Canada, I would be all over this.
Absolutely amazing 🥳🥳🥳
Great project! I only miss the electric installation. Does it come with something pre installed or prepared?
No you have to run power and lights
I guess it’s battened out then dry walled for wiring etc? Cheers
Your an amazing instructor clear concise simple lovely to listen and follow
Thank you! 😃
Roger, do the ratchet straps come in the pack. If not, could you suggest whats a good set of ratchet straps in appropriate size for this structure. Thanks.
they do i saw it on website
3:09 So water just pools up in those base channels where it will cause rust + mold
Beautiful!
How much is the cost of kit?
Size of this?
Is there no ventilation points? Unless i missed it in the video
With the roof the way it is, do you not get cold thermal bridging from the soffit over the door and then onto the inside, as your ceiling panel and soffit is the same bit of metal?
Good point
No dis respect you obviously no what your talking about could you explain why cold bridging would happened.
@kevin conboy Hi, I think it less of a problem than I originally thought, but because the ceiling and the soffit are made of the same bit of metal, when its cold outside, the cold will travel across the metal from the soffit over the door and inside. Basically the ceiling by the door will become cold, so you might get condensation damp.. There is no bridging from the top of the roof to the ceiling, just from the soffit to the ceiling
@@davidkelly4841 Thank you for replying, I see what you mean now. As Skillbuilder said in there reply it was a good spot by you and maybe the manufacturer needs to look into it. All the best Kevin 👍
And the same for all the U-shaped steel channels along the top and bottom of the wall, and around the doorway. I guess they're not building a passivehaus, and not expecting anyone to live in it during the winter.
Why is there no DPC for the wall. Where are the air vents? Is information provided about how to break through the walls for power?
Great video when it rains will the metal roof make a lot off noise .Ask that because a friend off my got a metal shed a
And he sed it made a lot off noise when it was raining it looks great 👍🏻
No this has an insulated core. The outer skin doesn't touch the inner
I am very impressed with what you do. cool to be able to build that in one day.
would it be possible to use this as a house extension as well ? seems well insulated comes with a roof and everything, looks sturdy enough for at least 20 years
price? compared to wooden structure
Amazing review. 😍
What about electrics mate? Safe to drill through?
Yes, though I am not sure about the need to earth the metal building. It needs an electrician.
I'd buy one but I'm concerned about how to install the electrical wiring. Conduit is not nice to the eye. Maybe drill through the insulation and wire as the build takes place?
@Stephen Porter I've just bought two. Arriving soon. I'll have a think about the wiring when I get to that phase.
@@plan9channel7 I'd be interested to hear what you did for wiring on the end?
I installed conduit on the outside and drilled through for sockets and light fittings.
@@plan9channel7 thanks! What lighting did you use? I'm interested in downlights but I guess that is quite difficult
@@kes5755 Down lights are impossible. I used LED strip lights.
No paint or treatment every 2 /3 years saving time and money.
How much would the door set be ?
What stops the bottom track filling with water when the rain drips down the outside walls?
Great project I do love Rodger saying he’s got a better riveter because of his poor arthritic hands then next clip of him was bashing a metal trim with his hand😆😆. I know we all do it.
Yes I can use my hands as hammers but I don't have that much grip left. It was years of rock climbing that knitted the ligaments together.
Great video really helps but just be aware different sized rooms have different overhang on roof 😀😀
Wow , nothing for protection before putting the ( U - shaped ) side panels down? Just simple used little tape on the wet floor?
Presumably would need to counter batten on the inside to run services and attach internal finishes? Are you planning to show how that would be done too?
Not sure about the farm shed green look, each to their own, I’d also be inclined to use a bitumen product on the base track rather rely on sticky foam on concrete, I’d also perhaps and lap an epdm between concrete and base track for belt and braces.
I've seen bigger rivets holding in window regulators on Lincoln Town Cars.
Hi Rodger….. I see these panels are insulated fully from the inside to the outside, May I ask a quick question of you, I am in the middle of building an outside garden summer house, The way I am constructing it is as follows….. 4x2s for the walls & 6x2s for the roof, The whole structure is being constructed as a warm roof scenario where I am having 2 inches of PIR insulation Closer to the inside walls which leaves me a 2 inch air gap facing the outside cladding, The ventilation will be all around the bottom of the cladding and up and over the cold roof and down the back, my question is do I still need to put a polythene vapour barrier on the inside, between the insulation and the panelling. The panelling on the inside will be 9 mm OSB board, Many Thanks Mark
Yes Mark use a polythen sheet on the inside before the plasterboard goes on. If you can avoid downlighters that will help but the vapour barrier on the inside will stop most of the moisture migrating up. You then have your ventilation to take care of the rest of it.
Send us some pictures when you are done. www/skill-builder.uk/send
@@SkillBuilder WOW 😯…. Thanks for the prompt reply 👍 thank you so much for that, I wasn’t sure whether I would need it so that puts my mind at ease, no need to worry about downlights as I am going for an industrial look with surface mounted sockets and ducting, Thanks again Rodger 👍
with rising costs and house shortages, planning should be given more more housing this simple. with power storage soon we will not have to be on grid or in debt with banks!
hi looking to get one but wonder how to run electricity in them, sorry if you mentioned it and i missed it
Great !!!, Bro insulation sandwich panel detail is extremely strong structural, A part in the sandwich takes note to resemble assembly fit in which flashing not raining into the home. Perhaps, Silicon should be fixed between sandwich panels. I was working sandwich panel field, and I think that sandwich panels are very defensive in the majority of weather, and geography following Standard theory approval in EN 14509: 2013 sandwich panel is a material empty steel structure for don't very defend much something different.
Super!!!👍
Thanks for sharing, Was it only super glued to the floor or did you use bolts? How much does a project like this cost?
You can see from the video that we bolted it. There is no superglue involved. All the details are in the description below the video.
What about the electrics? 😜
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what sort of cost was this build, material wise?
Another great Video, be nice if they did one that would fit a snooker table in. Looks a really neat solution
Love your videos nice and relaxed
How much did it cost the kit and the base cement
For over £9.5 grand I'd want the Electric drill as well
And some doors.....
...and someone to build it
Don't wanna rain over your party but if you don't own a drill, you don't have any business assembling that 😂
@@docolemnsx I think the comment went right over your head
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One thing bad with this design is the trays that you sit the walls into. Any rain that runs off the panels can run into the trays. Only for that issue it is a pretty cool design.
That is what the drainage gaps are for
The bottom trays are definitely a weak point. Water may drain out but there is no ventilation to dry out completely. The continuing dampness in the UK climate will find them out eventually. And they will sit on damp concrete.
Hi Roger, I have a question for you :Where the rainwater from the roof drains ?(And how?)
It runs off the back overhang
Those are pretty badass if they are steel clad.
I give five star to the company who made this.
Hello! thanks for the video and help building our own! but I would like some information...! Where could I order such a house so that I can build it myself! thank you if you are kind enough to tell me!!
Maybe a small vent would be a great add on to high on one wall. Easy to add later.
how do you get electricity into it and run wires around it?
brilliant video thank you! Hadn't seen modular rooms before
You could batten and clad the outside in your timber of choice. Same with boarding inside if you wanted more homely finish. You're getting a good insulated envelope with minimal labour costs. You could just buy similar panels and roof only and attach to timber frame. Fair bit of work on the detailing, though.
You can buy those insulated panels on their own, and with rest of everything you would still pay roughly 1/4 of the price. Need to build a frame using 4x2s on walls and 5x2s on roof (double up roof if more than 3.5m long)
Great garden room, brilliant video - thank you
No mention of wiring these? Adding sockets and lights etc ..
Was the video called 'How to wire up a garden room' ?
@@SkillBuilder nice attitude. It was a question as its titled a garden room not storage. So obviously would need electrics.. more curious. But I see I asked the wrong person. Thank you anyhows.
I like the all in idea, only but that niggles me is it would be good if the tools were and optional purchase, bit more eco friendly that way if you already have some or all of the tools already
Would this work have a sauna in? And adding any internal walls?