I envy this so much in people. I’m actively trying to unlearn the bad habits I observed growing up around my parents & their (very poor) communication, or lack thereof completely. She’s direct and doesn’t flinch with her boundaries which is very refreshing to see.
@@jessicamia2070 Sorry to hear about your communication growing up. Since it appears you desire better communication skills, you can make it happen. I was a very shy person growing up, so I literally did not talk to anyone outside my home. Because I didn’t talk much, I developed excellent listening skills, which is essential to good communication. Today, I speak publicly, am witty, etc. People don’t believe it when I tell them I was so shy, I was terrified to talk to anyone. I wish you success and joy on your journey of mastering the skill of communication.
Joe is sleeper. He doesn’t jump right out at you when you first see him, but each time he talks, smiles, laughs, and engages in conversation he gets more and more attractive. He’s a highly quality man for sure, and any lady would be extremely lucky to have him. He gives off the vibe that the woman he chose would never have to worry about her security in the relationship.
I love love love Serena! I hate that all the others are pretending like they don't know each other and she just "I am gonna say Kendall cause I know her name!" well done for both of them for the real honest convo.... I love how they are both naturally beautiful, no fake glam and no BS...
Totally agree. I like Kendall, but Joe needs someone that is no drama and no BS and Serena seems very genuine and grounded. I also loved their witty banter on Tuesday's episode. They are both observant and both like to avoid the drama. I also like how she quickly determined that Thomas wasn't for her and told him (not shown) and then she straight away went and discussed it with Joe.
Serena P is the real deal. Going back to old relationships like that is not healthy. Serena brings a breath of fresh air that Joe absolutely needs. She's so real and mature discussing such things that could be a hinderance to their relationship.
Looks like Serena is the one for Joe. She is straight forward, honest, committed, everything that Kendall wasn't. Serena goes after what she's wants without playing games, still opposite of Kendall. Love and adore their initial banter that ultimately had Joe to stay. Glad he did because this is unfolding to become a beautiful love story,🥰🥰❤️❤️🌹🌹🌹🌹
I haven't watched the episode yet but I am here for this! I loved him and Kendall and wanted it to work but I am rooting for these two 😍 Serena brings out another side to Joe 🥺❤ let's see how their journey goes 👀✨
I fell in love with her on Matt’s season. Then when she told him, he was not her “person”. Priceless. Of all the men on the beach, I would never have picked Joe, but they are great together. #teamjoerena.
Lest we forget, Serena approached him first. Now they're married. Lesson: there's nothing wrong with a woman making the first move. She's showing that she's decisive.
I absolutely LOVE these two! I hope they Marry, because they will have BEAUTIFUL Babies!!!! Serena is so Pretty and Joe is sooooo Handsome and a little shy. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Joe has really stepped up his game. I believe Serena had a lot to do with that! Joe is a different man, not unlike when he was with Kendall. She calls him "butthead" how degrading.😝😦
He is that immature that you wouldn't think he's fourty, not in a million years. The bar for men really is THAT low 🥴. And to be with a woman half his age... It's ew in my personal opinion. Why do men like young girls in comparison to their age? It's quite sexist and pedolike. Go find someone your own age Kenny boy. Oh but I forgot that's exactly why he goes for 25 year olds. Because no woman his age would tolerate a 40year old manchild.
@@f.t.6764 You're not giving it to him: it's not immaturity, *it's hit looks!* He's simply unusually young looking for 40! I mean, I can't even believe it. He looks several years younger!
@chellymrdillon Exactly! They also both come off really cool and have a smoothness to them, both of them seem smart, and they have a sort of free-spirit energy. They seem like great counters for how not cool/smooth Joe is lol, and how down-to-earth and quick to commit he is.
Absolutely not. Kendall is stuck on herself and appears to be selfish. Serena is humble, light hearted, has a sense of humor. The funniest thing Kendall could do is walk up and call Joe, butthead. Immature.
@@amosquito9968 Kendall is no way simular to Serena, Kendall is stock in her mean and selfish way and that takes away her beauty, Serena is so smart confidence, charming gunuine, beautiful, honest,lighthearted, calm, you name it, that what you call qualities, no bs, she is very respectful she is a very good woman, Kendall. is mrs drama and BS.
My most favorite couple on BIP. Hope they televise the wedding they are now planning. The odds are better of making a connection on BIP than the Bachelor or Bachelorette.
@@husnaavhora6485 exactly. They really are. It's like trying to pair, romantically, two people, where one lives in the north pole and the other lives in a tropical island. As much as people are flexible, being from a certain place with a certain climate and a certain type of people makes it hard to adapt to the opposite kind of the place you grew up in. You must have a super adaptable idiosyncracy to be able to not feel homesick and truly settle in. Or the love must be so big that you don't care where you'll live as long as you're with your person. But that's not realistic cause it sounds good and doable in theory but when you can't fit in while your person will be right where they want to, then the problems will inevitably come.
*producers:* Kendall would you like to come back on the the show to stir shit up *Kendall:* Will i still get paid like last vacation *producers:* LOL duh everyone gets paid here in Paradise, so do we have a deal you get the money, we get the drama *Kendall:* Ok so what do i have to do? *producers:* Just come to the beach to try and kindle that old flame with Joe, and stir shit up between Joe and Serena..... you know for the ratings *Kendall:* Do i still get paid 💵💵💵 *producers:* Oh hell yeah *Kendall:* well shit i'll be down there by next week then
I really hope he doesn’t go back to Kendall!! She wasn’t gonna move for you then, she isn’t gonna move for you now!! Why wait to be on BIP to try to get back together with joe?? Sounds fishy
I hope it works but I don't think it will only because of Serenas age and maybe where she's at rn in life, its not giving long term vibes BUT hey who am I to say anything about them really.
Cause she's 23 going 24 and immature and inexperienced in life and relationships. She finds two adults breaking up cause of different needs and cause of distance "very hard". It was heartbreaking if you want to have a family with that person and be forever with them, but very hard? No. It was a mature decision and a clear one. That speaks volumes on how their age gap is a think to consider, cause it brings out their incompatibility. As it should Serena is still a young girl going through womanhood and life experiences. Joe wants to settle in and have a family. So going from Kendal, who despite of her emotional intelligence was immature at times, then imagine how much more immature Serena is for Joe. But to tell you the honest truth I think Joe is equally immature and hyperbolic for his age. You can't tell me a 35 year old that claims they want a family will achieve that by being with a 23 year old. It's ridiculous. Two completely different stages in life. So that to me tell me that Joe is still not ready for a family and to seriously committ for the long run with someone. He may truly want these things, I do believe that he does, but not yet and he just doesn't admit it to himself, so he goes for the most unavailable person for such a thing (to start a family with). Even if they get engaged in they end, to me, they seem pretty incompatible, as every 23/24 year old seems with a 35 year old person. Joe is closer to 40 than he is to 20. That says it all. I think he still wants to experience life as well and not truly committ yet but he wants to seem mature and dependable and trustworthy cause that's his likeability factor, that he's "boyfriend/husband material" in comparison to most men that went on paradise. And that boosts his desirability and bankability. Which is by no means a bad thing. On the contrary it's a great thing for him. He is after all a young adult in my opinion. In your thirties to me you're still young. Hell, in your 40s and 50s and 60 too why not. But you are definitely not a 23 year old nor you should be with one.
The 22 year old that's outgoing and wants to (and should) experience life and is carefree and doesn't like an emotional guy and the 35 year old, that wants to remain in Chicago and have children, are engaged? Well that will last..NOT! 🥴
@@f.t.6764 on paper it doesn’t look likely will last that’s true, but it didn’t look like that with Arie and Lauren or Dean and Catelyn either 🤷♀️ At this point they have real conversations with each other, which is nice and different and they look like nice people so I hope they find happiness. If that’s with each other or not isn’t important in the long run.
@@franziskamaria5157 I completely agree with you, they seem nice people and they are likeable even though I find both of them immature trying to pass as mature ones, but one is more justified in their emotional immaturity than the other. I mean Serena, the one that's justified to an extent, as she's so young. Joe being with an emotionally unavailable 22 year old that's nowhere near wanting a family and shouldn't this early in life, means he is also very immature for his age and has no actual relationship experience other than Kendal. He's a late bloomer as it seems. And why do I believe he's immature as well? Cause he says he wants a family but doesn't actually, at least yet, as his words of what and who he needs do not correlate with his choices and actions. Cause again, as I said, he chose the most emotionally unavailable person to be with for a guy wanting a family. The reality is Joe should go for someone with a young spirit like his but someone closer his age and that wants the same things as him whatever those things are. Simple as that. But I wish them the best and of course I would want for a couple to work out and flourish, it's just that the reality is that it most likely won't work out. And that's ok. If it does work out between them, that's great also. It's the best outcome actually and against the odds. Now on a lighter note, the fact that you were reading my mind with having Arie and Lauren on my mind is spot on😂.
@@Crystalbomb321 she's 23 going 24, I checked now you're right but it's semantics what you say. Potato potAto. You're losing the point. And didn't I answer you more or less about the same thing you said in a different comment thread or was that another Lily G? 🤣 If it was, my bad.
Joe is devastatingly handsome. He has it all in everyway. I think he's the kind of man every woman dreams of being in love with. Serena is a lovely girl with many wonderful qualities. I feel she's lacking in maturity for a guy like Joe. I'm not saying there's a down side to her, other than perhaps spoiled and entitled, in a way that's cute and endearing in a 20's something woman. But will she mature with age and experience, that's the gamble.
"For some reason"? For all the reasons actually. They have an age gap that shows all the time by the way serena is and by what she says, she constantly reminds him of his age and how different they are, she is emotionally immature and her age showed once again with what she did to Thomas with all the negative Chinese whispers about their date, badmouthing him for no reason creating a situation about him and Tre out of thin air resulting in the guys attacking him and isolating him even more, also let's not forget she says she doesn't like "an emotional" guy, so you mean a normal person Serena? A person mature enough to express and talk about their feelings? That shows she's not ready to be in a serious relationship especially with someone like Joe. And on the other hand, the most important reason of all, except the age gap, is the fact that Joe wants to settle down and have a family. Serena is nowhere near that stage in life. Literally. So that also shows that, besides the fact that it's not going anywhere and they're not compatible, they won't last simply because of that. Now if Joe picked her precisely because she is young and doesn't want a family, of course at her age, then maybe that means he says he wants a family but in reality he doesn't yet, so that's why he chose the most unavailable person for such a thing. Also, not to mention the constant comparison Joe draws with Kendal and Serena. It's weird. Either way they're way too different and she's way too young for him. Not to mention that I saw more of a seggsual chemistry with Thomas and her when they kissed than with Joe and her. Their "relationship" js way off.
@@jessicajohnson8378 do you Seriously believe that a person in their early 20s will settle down for Joe in Chicago and have a family and won't want to experience life at that point? They won't last. Simple as that. And they shouldn't they're way different in age and experience to work out. A 35 year old should not be with a 20-22 year old. If Joe wasn't young looking and likeable himself, everyone would find this relationship wierd and unbalanced.
East Coast. Pretty certain that his first time around on The Bachelorette he said he originally grew up in Brooklyn... and then his parents relocated to Chicago.
That's a very immature approach in love and relationships and very black and white. Love isn't enough on its own for two people to last Clara, you also need to have mutual understanding and mutual respect, to both be in the same stage in life, to have healthy boundaries and to know how to communicate and to want the same things in a relationship and meet eachother's needs, otherwise how are you gonna walk the same path with a person? Are you gonna string along an unhappy person when they want different things? No. That's beyond wrong. So loving someone means shit if all these things are non existent. There are people that are in love that are toxic for eachother. Does that mean that love should conquer all and that the toxicity should be swept under the rag and tolerated for example? There are people that are victims of domestic viol ence that love their ab user. Does that mean that they should stay? Because by your logic, love is enough and the solution to everything, so they should. The answer is no Clara. They shouldn't. Love doesn't conquer all, people have needs and know what their own happiness should look like and how it should feel, better than any other person. So if those needs and viewpoint on that happiness in the relationship, aren't met with the other person, then people must be mature enough to know when to let go. Regardless of loving someone. You can't stay in an unfulfilling relationship just because of feelings. And that's why the wisest, most mature and most loving thing Kendal and Joe ever did, was breaking up, because they both wanted different things in life at this point and shouldn't stay in a relationship that's done basically nor trap eachother in a dead end because of those differences. That doesn't mean that they weren't in love and that they didn't love eachother, it means the exact opposite, so that's very rude to say, and it's inaccurate, plain and simple. So, again, to say that love conquers all is a very binding thing for a person, very immature and simply not true.
@@johnathanedwards5814 I'm glad you agree with the given 😌😊. It means people have their mind in the right place and their priorities straight. Cause imagine someone having those unhealthy views on love and relationships and having children and passing those views on their children not teaching them about self respect and being emotionally mature to know when to accept that something and someone is not right and walking away from the wrong thing to choose your own health, safety and the love for yourself. That fairytale nuance that love concquers all is a disaster waiting to happen cause that's how you have empaths that are at the same time insecure to think that romantic love is everything and if you don't have it you're not whole ans if you have it for the wrong person or you love a person that doesn't want you or hurts you then you should stay and tolerate it or you end up not handling rejection and the needed end as a mature adult. It's literally a disaster waiting to happen for a person. That's why it's very important to teach people that love is not enough when there isn't a healthy environment and healthy roots for things to prosper and flourish. Also it's important to know that good things must end for better things to come.
@@clarak.mallah4137 Joe only wants to live in Chicago. He thought that he could change Kendall's mind about living in Chicago. From the very beginning, Kendall said she would visit but she didn't see herself rising a family there. But when he gives her ultimate is when he decided to break up with her because she wouldn't move to Chicago. You can't change someone's mind when they had already made it clear that she was never going to move to Chicago.
on the next season of Paradise what needs to happen is everyone needs to be paired up with 1 person and stay with that 1 person until the end of Paradise, that way there be no drama or arguing or nothing ya know.
But then you won't have anything to watch cause that won't make for good reality tv. Also, what if people realise they're not compatible with the other person? Should they stay with them just because it was their first choice? No. So what you said sounds a bit dumb, with all due respect. Let them find their "perfect" match by their own means. And enjoy the ride as a viewer. Simple as that. And j get your point that this year is too dramatic ans trashy with no real substance in regards to romance, don't get me wrong I see it too, other than Joe and Serena and Abigail and Noah there are no actual couples. But that's just how it is. I saw no real chemistry between Tahzjuan and Tre, no chemistry between most of them, even Joe and Serena. I get it. But not all seasons have to be successful on creating couples. It's more real to watch flawed people than people faking it. Otherwise it would be very blatantly manufactured.
Kinda chicken s### he "blames" it on Kendall bc "she doesn't" want to move, but be only wants to live in Chicago. If she said "He only wanted to live in Chicago."
I dunno he seems boring to talk to. Like what's his passion is life ? He doesn't seem to have ambition and dates women half his age. That's red flag right there.
I love that Serena doesn’t beat around the bush with the hard questions. She’s a very good communicator.
I envy this so much in people. I’m actively trying to unlearn the bad habits I observed growing up around my parents & their (very poor) communication, or lack thereof completely. She’s direct and doesn’t flinch with her boundaries which is very refreshing to see.
@@jessicamia2070 Sorry to hear about your communication growing up. Since it appears you desire better communication skills, you can make it happen. I was a very shy person growing up, so I literally did not talk to anyone outside my home. Because I didn’t talk much, I developed excellent listening skills, which is essential to good communication. Today, I speak publicly, am witty, etc. People don’t believe it when I tell them I was so shy, I was terrified to talk to anyone. I wish you success and joy on your journey of mastering the skill of communication.
Joe is sleeper. He doesn’t jump right out at you when you first see him, but each time he talks, smiles, laughs, and engages in conversation he gets more and more attractive. He’s a highly quality man for sure, and any lady would be extremely lucky to have him. He gives off the vibe that the woman he chose would never have to worry about her security in the relationship.
I totally agree. Joe is so loveable and deserving of a true partner. I hope he finds love and happiness.
Your 100%. The dude doesn’t F around and he knows what he wants and that’s it. He’s a simple guy and we like that
SpaceFoxx that’s such an attractive quality in a man. A humble, poised, and self assured man. I hope they make it last!
You nailed it 👏
I agree with all that. He's a catch.
Who else is here after they’re married?!😊
Me!:) and now they had a big ceremony since they did a courthouse wedding they just did their big ceremony!!!🎉
The chemistry between these two is palpable!
Serena and Joe ENDGAME 😍😍😍🥺
I love love love Serena! I hate that all the others are pretending like they don't know each other and she just "I am gonna say Kendall cause I know her name!" well done for both of them for the real honest convo.... I love how they are both naturally beautiful, no fake glam and no BS...
Totally agree. I like Kendall, but Joe needs someone that is no drama and no BS and Serena seems very genuine and grounded. I also loved their witty banter on Tuesday's episode. They are both observant and both like to avoid the drama. I also like how she quickly determined that Thomas wasn't for her and told him (not shown) and then she straight away went and discussed it with Joe.
Yes...there is something very organic about them...beautiful couple.
Most realistic date convo
Just straight to the point! ain’t playing around
Joe is a darling. Love his shyness and complete openness and honesty. When his grin begins he just lights up. Who wouldn’t fall for him!
Serena P is the real deal. Going back to old relationships like that is not healthy. Serena brings a breath of fresh air that Joe absolutely needs. She's so real and mature discussing such things that could be a hinderance to their relationship.
The producers when Serena mentions Kendall coming on the beach
" WRITE THAT DOWN. WRITE THAT DOWN!!! "
Pppppp
😂😂.. sad though
Kendall's ass shouldnt have been allowed to come back on that beach, The producers knew what the hell they were doing lol
@@kevodedd8901 LOL
Serena..needs to be careful..
Joe will go back to kendell...
If Joe Amabile is interested in you, you've won.
I hate how she insulted his name though
I concur
Awwww “I stayed because I like you”🥺🥺❤️
Looks like Serena is the one for Joe. She is straight forward, honest, committed, everything that Kendall wasn't. Serena goes after what she's wants without playing games, still opposite of Kendall. Love and adore their initial banter that ultimately had Joe to stay. Glad he did because this is unfolding to become a beautiful love story,🥰🥰❤️❤️🌹🌹🌹🌹
I smiled myself thru the whole convo 😂
Me too , was refreshing to see genuine, real conversation
I love it when these two laugh together... they are adorable!
Coming back to this after their one year anniversary of engagement this conversation definitely help solidified them as a couple
My heart fluttered listening to their conversation.😍😍😍😍❤️❤️❤️❤️ Rooting for these two to end up together.😻😻🤗🤗
That is Serena...how respectful she is!
They compliment each other so well.
She's soo beautiful 😍 smart honesty,
These two are a wonderful match! I hope they grow old together ❤
These two should have their own reality show. They are just priceless!
I haven't watched the episode yet but I am here for this! I loved him and Kendall and wanted it to work but I am rooting for these two 😍 Serena brings out another side to Joe 🥺❤ let's see how their journey goes 👀✨
I love him with Kendall but she is a little cold... he is such a softie... he needs someone a little more warm and giving...
This couple was the ‘sweetest’ couple to watch on the island…so real..
so sincere…this was nice to catch on my RUclips videos.❤️👍
She is a beautiful and smart lady. I thought that Serena P was one of the stars of Matt’s season.
I thought Serena P. was special too. I enjoyed their conversation.
I fell in love with her on Matt’s season. Then when she told him, he was not her “person”. Priceless. Of all the men on the beach, I would never have picked Joe, but they are great together. #teamjoerena.
They are by far the cutest couple in the franchise.
Lest we forget, Serena approached him first. Now they're married. Lesson: there's nothing wrong with a woman making the first move. She's showing that she's decisive.
He’s so cute!! They’re so cute together 😍
I absolutely LOVE these two!
I hope they Marry, because
they will have BEAUTIFUL
Babies!!!! Serena is so
Pretty and Joe is sooooo
Handsome and a little shy. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
All in for Joe
Congratulations, Joe & Serena !!!🤵👰🎉💛
Can't believe these 2 are married now. 🙂
They were into each other from the very beginning. He’s actually into her before she came on the show. Watch episode 1
I really hope that Joe and serina stay together and get engaged at the end of this show
Serena: If Kendall comes down what’s that going to look like?
Producers: Omg great idea someone get Kendall on the phone!
Hahah. That's probably what did happen lol.
So happy that they are married now!
Love this couple.
Joe, Im in Chicago if this doesnt work out lol
I think these are the most honest, real, and stable people to ever meet and get together in the bachelor world.
And now … they’re married 10/22 ✨✨
They are adorable together ❤
I LOVE THEM SOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!!
I would totally move for Joe. Kendal is crazy letting him go.
She realized that too late. We’ve all been there where we assumed someone would always be around. You live and you learn.
He’s Serena’s
"Dagger to my heart" she says smiling widely
suspicious LOL
They are very cute together
Joe has really stepped up his game. I believe Serena had a lot to do with that! Joe is a different man, not unlike when he was with Kendall. She calls him "butthead" how degrading.😝😦
They are adorable 🥰
Beautiful Couple!!!
LOL BRUHHH i just realized Kenny is 40......40 and Mari is 25 😮😮🤣🤣🤣
He is that immature that you wouldn't think he's fourty, not in a million years. The bar for men really is THAT low 🥴. And to be with a woman half his age... It's ew in my personal opinion. Why do men like young girls in comparison to their age? It's quite sexist and pedolike. Go find someone your own age Kenny boy. Oh but I forgot that's exactly why he goes for 25 year olds. Because no woman his age would tolerate a 40year old manchild.
@@f.t.6764 ikr lol agreed
@@f.t.6764 You're not giving it to him: it's not immaturity, *it's hit looks!* He's simply unusually young looking for 40! I mean, I can't even believe it. He looks several years younger!
I think age is only a number. It's the love, respect & what two people can happily build together that matters.
@@judychandler8485 if age is just a number then pedos are just people and prison is just a place. See where you're wrong?
I don't know. Joe's best words. Take notes guys
My All time favorite Couple
they are so cute together.
I don’t know why I feel like Serena and Kendall have very similar energy/aura…it’s like Joe has a type lol
What do you mean? Serena is wayyyyy more mature and classy than Kendall
@chellymrdillon Exactly! They also both come off really cool and have a smoothness to them, both of them seem smart, and they have a sort of free-spirit energy. They seem like great counters for how not cool/smooth Joe is lol, and how down-to-earth and quick to commit he is.
Absolutely not. Kendall is stuck on herself and appears to be selfish. Serena is humble, light hearted, has a sense of humor. The funniest thing Kendall could do is walk up and call Joe, butthead. Immature.
@@atriangle3647 yes Serena is by far.
@@amosquito9968 Kendall is no way simular to Serena, Kendall is stock in her mean and selfish way and that takes away her beauty, Serena is so smart confidence, charming gunuine, beautiful, honest,lighthearted, calm, you name it, that what you call qualities, no bs, she is very respectful she is a very good woman, Kendall. is mrs drama and BS.
My most favorite couple on BIP. Hope they televise the wedding they are now planning. The odds are better of making a connection on BIP than the Bachelor or Bachelorette.
now they’re married🥹
Y'all are SOOOOOOooo CUTE
Serena is more beautiful ohh💓💓
“No no I’m not trying to marry you rn” meanwhile now they are both married!! ❤️🥹
Beautiful couple.
I am all in for this to work out....who would of thought, but Kendall appears to be very mature and fun...that is such a plus....
You mean Serena..? 😅
They married now!!!
Serena is so beautiful ❤
they're both Not ugly they'll make good looking kids
LOL 🤣
What kind of compliment is that lol
That’s all you took from this date🤣
@@user-dh7ex1ey9k a backhanded one 😂
I like them together...but wouldn't there be the same issue as before? Serena is from Canada and wouldn't the location issue happen again?
Well maybe Serena is more flexible with location???🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
@@coolsaint6044 Yeah, that is what Joe can hope for...
Or maybe if Serena is the person for him, he won't mind moving this time and staying
@@fseedat4128 I also just think LA and Chicago are made for two completely different people lol
@@husnaavhora6485 exactly. They really are. It's like trying to pair, romantically, two people, where one lives in the north pole and the other lives in a tropical island. As much as people are flexible, being from a certain place with a certain climate and a certain type of people makes it hard to adapt to the opposite kind of the place you grew up in. You must have a super adaptable idiosyncracy to be able to not feel homesick and truly settle in. Or the love must be so big that you don't care where you'll live as long as you're with your person. But that's not realistic cause it sounds good and doable in theory but when you can't fit in while your person will be right where they want to, then the problems will inevitably come.
He kinda weird...she seems too normal for him. I think he needs some goofy girl who likes travel or smth
i think they have good chemistry :)
what are saying they have good chemistry lol
@@madeleinesymone7052 i see non existent chemistry actually. She had more seggsual chemistry with Thomas when they kissed than with Joe.
I don't think they match or have chemistry at all but they are both nice people
They have chemistry but perhaps not sexual
That means when Mari was born Kenny was a Sophomore in HS and about time Mari got in
kindergarten Kenny was in college 🤣🤣🤣
not er'y one goes to college
LOL THAT'S NOT THE POINT !!!!!
why is this about Mari and Kenny? but interesting point lol
*producers:* Kendall would you like to come back on the the show to stir shit up
*Kendall:* Will i still get paid like last vacation
*producers:* LOL duh everyone gets paid here in Paradise, so do we have a deal you get the money, we get the drama
*Kendall:* Ok so what do i have to do?
*producers:* Just come to the beach to try and kindle that old flame with Joe, and stir shit up between Joe and Serena..... you know for the ratings
*Kendall:* Do i still get paid 💵💵💵
*producers:* Oh hell yeah
*Kendall:* well shit i'll be down there by next week then
I really hope he doesn’t go back to Kendall!! She wasn’t gonna move for you then, she isn’t gonna move for you now!! Why wait to be on BIP to try to get back together with joe?? Sounds fishy
So sweet.
Joe for bachelor
Joe cool af i might smoke with him doe
O,my God am so happy for you both you were my favorite 👫 happy, Happy for you both. Now Some babies.
I love them 😍💖💏
I really like them two together although I just don't see it lasting for the long haul. But If it does I will be pleasantly surprised..
Why is that?
Same i would like to know why?
Just think positive
I hope it works but I don't think it will only because of Serenas age and maybe where she's at rn in life, its not giving long term vibes BUT hey who am I to say anything about them really.
I like them both but I dont see much chemistry sorry
I absolutely love them ❤
and now they're married. awweee
They met on here and now theyre married ❤❤❤
Omg love it 🥂❤️❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
Is Serena P ok with moving to Chicago? Cause if not it's kinda the same hurdle as his last relationship.
I would think they had that conversation already. Let's just see 🤞🏾
They both plan on having a long engagement and they worked out the traveling
If Serena don't move to Chicago, I will. Love Grocery store Joe!!!!
Is that even a hard break up story. though? Why is she being so dramatic?
Cause she's 23 going 24 and immature and inexperienced in life and relationships. She finds two adults breaking up cause of different needs and cause of distance "very hard". It was heartbreaking if you want to have a family with that person and be forever with them, but very hard? No. It was a mature decision and a clear one. That speaks volumes on how their age gap is a think to consider, cause it brings out their incompatibility. As it should Serena is still a young girl going through womanhood and life experiences. Joe wants to settle in and have a family. So going from Kendal, who despite of her emotional intelligence was immature at times, then imagine how much more immature Serena is for Joe. But to tell you the honest truth I think Joe is equally immature and hyperbolic for his age. You can't tell me a 35 year old that claims they want a family will achieve that by being with a 23 year old. It's ridiculous. Two completely different stages in life. So that to me tell me that Joe is still not ready for a family and to seriously committ for the long run with someone. He may truly want these things, I do believe that he does, but not yet and he just doesn't admit it to himself, so he goes for the most unavailable person for such a thing (to start a family with). Even if they get engaged in they end, to me, they seem pretty incompatible, as every 23/24 year old seems with a 35 year old person. Joe is closer to 40 than he is to 20. That says it all. I think he still wants to experience life as well and not truly committ yet but he wants to seem mature and dependable and trustworthy cause that's his likeability factor, that he's "boyfriend/husband material" in comparison to most men that went on paradise. And that boosts his desirability and bankability. Which is by no means a bad thing. On the contrary it's a great thing for him. He is after all a young adult in my opinion. In your thirties to me you're still young. Hell, in your 40s and 50s and 60 too why not. But you are definitely not a 23 year old nor you should be with one.
@@f.t.6764 I tried to follow this. But this is dumb as ever. Do you realize you were arguing with yourself?
I heard that they are engaged
The 22 year old that's outgoing and wants to (and should) experience life and is carefree and doesn't like an emotional guy and the 35 year old, that wants to remain in Chicago and have children, are engaged? Well that will last..NOT! 🥴
@@f.t.6764 on paper it doesn’t look likely will last that’s true, but it didn’t look like that with Arie and Lauren or Dean and Catelyn either 🤷♀️
At this point they have real conversations with each other, which is nice and different and they look like nice people so I hope they find happiness. If that’s with each other or not isn’t important in the long run.
@@franziskamaria5157 I completely agree with you, they seem nice people and they are likeable even though I find both of them immature trying to pass as mature ones, but one is more justified in their emotional immaturity than the other. I mean Serena, the one that's justified to an extent, as she's so young. Joe being with an emotionally unavailable 22 year old that's nowhere near wanting a family and shouldn't this early in life, means he is also very immature for his age and has no actual relationship experience other than Kendal. He's a late bloomer as it seems. And why do I believe he's immature as well? Cause he says he wants a family but doesn't actually, at least yet, as his words of what and who he needs do not correlate with his choices and actions. Cause again, as I said, he chose the most emotionally unavailable person to be with for a guy wanting a family. The reality is Joe should go for someone with a young spirit like his but someone closer his age and that wants the same things as him whatever those things are. Simple as that. But I wish them the best and of course I would want for a couple to work out and flourish, it's just that the reality is that it most likely won't work out. And that's ok. If it does work out between them, that's great also. It's the best outcome actually and against the odds. Now on a lighter note, the fact that you were reading my mind with having Arie and Lauren on my mind is spot on😂.
@@f.t.6764 At least get her age right. She's not 22.
@@Crystalbomb321 she's 23 going 24, I checked now you're right but it's semantics what you say. Potato potAto. You're losing the point. And didn't I answer you more or less about the same thing you said in a different comment thread or was that another Lily G? 🤣 If it was, my bad.
So cute
Joe is devastatingly handsome. He has it all in everyway. I think he's the kind of man every woman dreams of being in love with. Serena is a lovely girl with many wonderful qualities. I feel she's lacking in maturity for a guy like Joe. I'm not saying there's a down side to her, other than perhaps spoiled and entitled, in a way that's cute and endearing in a 20's something woman. But will she mature with age and experience, that's the gamble.
She's very young and they wont last long term but they're cute together
She carries herself with more grace intelligence of women 10 years older than her.
He is cute he seems to be a nice young men
idk why i don’t really see this working out beyond the show for some reason
Same.
I have to disagree with you cuz what if she's willing to move with him or move to Chicago cuz Kendall wasn't
@@jessicajohnson8378 i hope your right
"For some reason"? For all the reasons actually. They have an age gap that shows all the time by the way serena is and by what she says, she constantly reminds him of his age and how different they are, she is emotionally immature and her age showed once again with what she did to Thomas with all the negative Chinese whispers about their date, badmouthing him for no reason creating a situation about him and Tre out of thin air resulting in the guys attacking him and isolating him even more, also let's not forget she says she doesn't like "an emotional" guy, so you mean a normal person Serena? A person mature enough to express and talk about their feelings? That shows she's not ready to be in a serious relationship especially with someone like Joe. And on the other hand, the most important reason of all, except the age gap, is the fact that Joe wants to settle down and have a family. Serena is nowhere near that stage in life. Literally. So that also shows that, besides the fact that it's not going anywhere and they're not compatible, they won't last simply because of that. Now if Joe picked her precisely because she is young and doesn't want a family, of course at her age, then maybe that means he says he wants a family but in reality he doesn't yet, so that's why he chose the most unavailable person for such a thing. Also, not to mention the constant comparison Joe draws with Kendal and Serena. It's weird. Either way they're way too different and she's way too young for him. Not to mention that I saw more of a seggsual chemistry with Thomas and her when they kissed than with Joe and her. Their "relationship" js way off.
@@jessicajohnson8378 do you Seriously believe that a person in their early 20s will settle down for Joe in Chicago and have a family and won't want to experience life at that point? They won't last. Simple as that. And they shouldn't they're way different in age and experience to work out. A 35 year old should not be with a 20-22 year old. If Joe wasn't young looking and likeable himself, everyone would find this relationship wierd and unbalanced.
Wow she’s 23 😂
Sounds it.
Joe has some sort of accent
East Coast.
Pretty certain that his first time around on The Bachelorette he said he originally grew up in Brooklyn... and then his parents relocated to Chicago.
Kendall and Joe, both weren't in love. Because love conquers everything!
That's a very immature approach in love and relationships and very black and white. Love isn't enough on its own for two people to last Clara, you also need to have mutual understanding and mutual respect, to both be in the same stage in life, to have healthy boundaries and to know how to communicate and to want the same things in a relationship and meet eachother's needs, otherwise how are you gonna walk the same path with a person? Are you gonna string along an unhappy person when they want different things? No. That's beyond wrong. So loving someone means shit if all these things are non existent. There are people that are in love that are toxic for eachother. Does that mean that love should conquer all and that the toxicity should be swept under the rag and tolerated for example? There are people that are victims of domestic viol ence that love their ab user. Does that mean that they should stay? Because by your logic, love is enough and the solution to everything, so they should. The answer is no Clara. They shouldn't. Love doesn't conquer all, people have needs and know what their own happiness should look like and how it should feel, better than any other person. So if those needs and viewpoint on that happiness in the relationship, aren't met with the other person, then people must be mature enough to know when to let go. Regardless of loving someone. You can't stay in an unfulfilling relationship just because of feelings. And that's why the wisest, most mature and most loving thing Kendal and Joe ever did, was breaking up, because they both wanted different things in life at this point and shouldn't stay in a relationship that's done basically nor trap eachother in a dead end because of those differences. That doesn't mean that they weren't in love and that they didn't love eachother, it means the exact opposite, so that's very rude to say, and it's inaccurate, plain and simple. So, again, to say that love conquers all is a very binding thing for a person, very immature and simply not true.
@@f.t.6764 spitting facts 💯
@@johnathanedwards5814 I'm glad you agree with the given 😌😊. It means people have their mind in the right place and their priorities straight. Cause imagine someone having those unhealthy views on love and relationships and having children and passing those views on their children not teaching them about self respect and being emotionally mature to know when to accept that something and someone is not right and walking away from the wrong thing to choose your own health, safety and the love for yourself. That fairytale nuance that love concquers all is a disaster waiting to happen cause that's how you have empaths that are at the same time insecure to think that romantic love is everything and if you don't have it you're not whole ans if you have it for the wrong person or you love a person that doesn't want you or hurts you then you should stay and tolerate it or you end up not handling rejection and the needed end as a mature adult. It's literally a disaster waiting to happen for a person. That's why it's very important to teach people that love is not enough when there isn't a healthy environment and healthy roots for things to prosper and flourish. Also it's important to know that good things must end for better things to come.
Above all, the key is love.
@@clarak.mallah4137 Joe only wants to live in Chicago. He thought that he could change Kendall's mind about living in Chicago. From the very beginning, Kendall said she would visit but she didn't see herself rising a family there. But when he gives her ultimate is when he decided to break up with her because she wouldn't move to Chicago. You can't change someone's mind when they had already made it clear that she was never going to move to Chicago.
LOL this is Awkward this isn't going to
work out 🤣🤣🤣
Wrong. They’re happily married now.
on the next season of Paradise what needs to happen is everyone needs to be paired up with 1 person and stay with that 1 person until the end of Paradise, that way there be no drama or arguing or nothing ya know.
Lol that's stupid the whole point is to date everyone the show would be cancelled if there was no drama lol
producers ain't finna let that shit happen
But then you won't have anything to watch cause that won't make for good reality tv. Also, what if people realise they're not compatible with the other person? Should they stay with them just because it was their first choice? No. So what you said sounds a bit dumb, with all due respect. Let them find their "perfect" match by their own means. And enjoy the ride as a viewer. Simple as that. And j get your point that this year is too dramatic ans trashy with no real substance in regards to romance, don't get me wrong I see it too, other than Joe and Serena and Abigail and Noah there are no actual couples. But that's just how it is. I saw no real chemistry between Tahzjuan and Tre, no chemistry between most of them, even Joe and Serena. I get it. But not all seasons have to be successful on creating couples. It's more real to watch flawed people than people faking it. Otherwise it would be very blatantly manufactured.
Boring no one would watvh reality is drams
Joe is cute.
Can someone remind me why he was called grocery store Joe.
used to own a grocery store and in his little intro vid on becca’s season be talked about it
Fuck! He's attractive.
LOL WTF how old is Joe this girl in High school
LOL Serena P is like 23 dude, Joe is 36
DAMN about time she was born Joe was in Jr. High and when Serena got in Kindergarten Joe
graduated High school 🤣🤣🤣🤣
damn Lol 🤣
Kenny is 40 and Mari is 25 lol🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
@@coolsaint6044 I just realized that LOL im watching the current ep. now 🤣🤣
Ugh not Kendall. What a nightmare.
She's not over him unfortunately. As it seems.
Does it not look like he has extra teeth on the top?
Kinda chicken s### he "blames" it on Kendall bc "she doesn't" want to move, but be only wants to live in Chicago. If she said "He only wanted to live in Chicago."
Why do they seem like airheads
I really don't get what she sees in him. Lol
He's genuine and adorable? 🙄
he's hot too
I dunno he seems boring to talk to. Like what's his passion is life ? He doesn't seem to have ambition and dates women half his age. That's red flag right there.
@@TruePathLiving yeah he is kinda boring im not gone lie
He gives me Mark Ruffalo vibes. Just so sweet and endearing. Plus, he’s very easy on the eyes.
Okay I'm gay & i want Blake or Greg to kiss Grocery store Joe
this comment makes me very uncomfortable 😳😳
GS Joe dont play that gay stuff bro 😠
Colton Underwood is gay
😂😂
@@chrishelmond6895 You've got it wrong. Colton has never even hinted that he'd wanna that. I see you under that bridge.