Been riding my Machadocado as a twin fin (no trailer) recently down in San Diego. The thing is an absolute rocket ship. Thanks for another great video, Noel. Keep up the awesome content!
@@ndugan44 saw an interview with Rob and he said the Cado was originally intended to be a twin and that FireWire asked him to make it a thruster. He didn’t like the thruster so ended up with the 2+1. I think they were looking for a marketing opportunity to release his 2+1 fin template. Much of the footage of Rob riding the Cado is actually with his twin keels in it. 2+1 only for bigger days methinks.
@@trestlesrocks That's very interesting. The marketing thing makes sense, they needed some way to get people to buy their new fins lol. I rode the board originally the first few times as a standard thruster with some fiberglass honeycomb CI AM2 fins. It worked great at Black's where you can ride top to bottom and the wave has a little juice. The twin setup is definitely the call for either junky surf or mushy reef breaks, where you get the added speed and looseness and aren't driving hard on turns. I might search for a little trailer fin to demo somewhere, but it's a groveler so I'm thinking you'd want to maximize its ability in that category. To be continued...
Would you recommend running both designs at the same length? I have the Cado and love it so far, but now I’m curious to try other Machado designs and I’m deciding between the Seaside and the Too Fish. How would you ideally size them based off the Cado? I’m on the 5’6” Cado, 5’8” felt a tad big. If the made a 5’7” I’d probably get that.
@surfnshow have you tried the seaside with a quad set like the captain fin co - former twad or Neal purchase jr quartet? Game changer for me, slightly bigger front fins and alot smaller rear fin. I think you'd find it alot more fun
Correct me if I am wrong but I think in his interview at Stoked for Travel Machado Said he just made a Seaside for himself 2 inches longer at 5'4 and narrowed it for more range and performance... I wonder if they'll bring out a Seaside 2.0. My only struggle with the board was I felt like I wished it was an inch narrower.
Seaside gets the twin win for me…use the seaside in small/medium gutless surf and when I switched to the twin, whole different animal with the twin. Only twin now.
Noel, I was looking at your surfing and it was pleasing to see that you don’t do little “wobbles” mid turn, unlike a lot of pros I see. One turn and then into another with nice flow. Keep it up. Your reviews a great. I bought a Chilli BV2 because of you and loving it!
@@davidmolloy2634 cheers for the kind words. Stoked you noticed that about my surfing. I’ve been working on flow in my surfing last couple years. I hate the pumping at the bottom instead of a solid bottom turn to generate speed. Bottom turns are beautiful maneuvers and there is an art to them. I am still working hard at getting better at them… cheers
@@surfnshowreviews7777 I agree, pumping in the bottom turn doesn’t look as nice as a bottom turn and then flowing into your next turn. Nothing better then a wave with enough power that you can do a proper bottom turn!
i love my seaside. I've had it for several years and have surfed it from knee to waist high, up to about 6-7ft point surf. Controller Quads and Machado Quads. As a twin fin it just loses something IMO. ( K1 keels, just the Machado fronts, ive got some AMTs i might try ) Great review and content as always Noel. Nothing but love, but I gotta say Asa needs to work on his style and flow. He looks too bent over at the waist and jerky. Yea he can make little flicks, but its ugly. He needs to squat/crouch vs bend, and work on those hands. ( hed be a great case study for your "how to surf better" series :) )
The Chumlee was a dog of a board. I rode one in perfect 1’-3’ surf for 2 hours the board could not do a liver turn without bogging. It was fast down the line but one of the worst boards I’ve ridden to do turns in the pocket. The Cado is hands down a better board in every aspect of a Groveler compared to the Chumlee.
I have a Machado Glazer, that just sat in my house unused except for very specific conditions. I bought a set of Futures Al Merrick twin +1 to loosen up another board, which didn't go that well, so I put them in the Glazer instead, Holy Moly! Such a different board now, quality control on the Al Merrick fin was terrible though, I sent back two sets that were terribly finished, really rough edges, so look out for that if you buy a set.
I’ve been a fan for years but this pool thing doesn’t always translate when compared to mother ocean. When top turning it looks different at the pool compared to the ocean. Been ocean surfing for 42 years so I’m bias. I will still watch though
@@zuma3334 Cheers for your faithfulness to our show. The pool is my punchy beach break. I know it’s not the same…. But it’s so fun. The boards I surf at Waco do translate to the ocean for me.
@@Garebare24 They don’t really. Although both of these boards are Grovelers they don’t offer the performance in the pocket or have the rail line for more drive through carves compared to the Supernova. The Nova will draw similar lines to a performance board in 1-3’ surf with Groveler speed.
Hi Noel! Really like your content! A point of feedback regarding this video - when there’s a “vs” matchup between boards, it would be nice if you gave a score to each, based on different metrics (like what you did with the best of the best series). In this video, you both just mainly said those two boards were fun with different set of fins and thats it
@@mtnrabi I will do more episodes like Best of the Best soon with a criteria. This episode is for all the folks in our community that wants to know what the difference between these two boards. I tried to explain it clearly in this episode. The Cado will surf the pocket better with a little more top to bottom capabilities and the Seaside is a bit more down the line and likes to carve more.
@@bdlosson Watch the Rusty Chew Toy review. It was years ago but that board had no speed or X Factor. If a board is really bad….. then I won’t review it at all. I surfed the Chumlee a few years back in fun 1’-3’ surf and it was fast but it couldn’t do a legit turn. Some surfers rave about the Chumlee in small surf…. For me it was awful. Another board that was sticky unless I surfed it way off the tail was the Nobrainer. It was super flat (low rocker) and I said that in the review. It was a fast board but sticky through turns. Maybe watch all of the episodes….
would love to see the JS xero gravity in carbotune reviewed!!
I'm a simple man, I see a Noel video, I watch it.
Timeline on the dumpster diver 2 and Pisces video? Epic stuff on this one
@@iansurf123 The DD2 review will drop on October 7. Not sure on the Pisces board review date.
Glad that 10 years later, Firewire is also making a Puddle Jumper now.
Been riding my Machadocado as a twin fin (no trailer) recently down in San Diego. The thing is an absolute rocket ship. Thanks for another great video, Noel. Keep up the awesome content!
What fins are you using?
@@trestlesrocks UPSURF Keel Fiberglass Honeycomb fins
That is epic!! So much faster as a pure Twin for sure.
@@ndugan44 saw an interview with Rob and he said the Cado was originally intended to be a twin and that FireWire asked him to make it a thruster. He didn’t like the thruster so ended up with the 2+1. I think they were looking for a marketing opportunity to release his 2+1 fin template. Much of the footage of Rob riding the Cado is actually with his twin keels in it. 2+1 only for bigger days methinks.
@@trestlesrocks That's very interesting. The marketing thing makes sense, they needed some way to get people to buy their new fins lol. I rode the board originally the first few times as a standard thruster with some fiberglass honeycomb CI AM2 fins. It worked great at Black's where you can ride top to bottom and the wave has a little juice. The twin setup is definitely the call for either junky surf or mushy reef breaks, where you get the added speed and looseness and aren't driving hard on turns. I might search for a little trailer fin to demo somewhere, but it's a groveler so I'm thinking you'd want to maximize its ability in that category. To be continued...
Would you recommend running both designs at the same length?
I have the Cado and love it so far, but now I’m curious to try other Machado designs and I’m deciding between the Seaside and the Too Fish. How would you ideally size them based off the Cado?
I’m on the 5’6” Cado, 5’8” felt a tad big. If the made a 5’7” I’d probably get that.
@@trestlesrocks I suggest similar volume on them
@@surfnshowreviews7777 sweet, thanks for the guidance!
@surfnshow have you tried the seaside with a quad set like the captain fin co - former twad or Neal purchase jr quartet? Game changer for me, slightly bigger front fins and alot smaller rear fin. I think you'd find it alot more fun
I have not… sounds fun though. Thanks for posting what you like.
Correct me if I am wrong but I think in his interview at Stoked for Travel Machado Said he just made a Seaside for himself 2 inches longer at 5'4 and narrowed it for more range and performance... I wonder if they'll bring out a Seaside 2.0. My only struggle with the board was I felt like I wished it was an inch narrower.
@@Craig-t2g I want the Seaside as a Twin
Hi Noel
If you could only choose one!
Seaside or Cado ?
@@jasonjohnson2921 Cado suits my style of surfing better.
Seaside gets the twin win for me…use the seaside in small/medium gutless surf and when I switched to the twin, whole different animal with the twin. Only twin now.
@@ScottCooper-100 Agreed
What twins brotha?
@@Asha-pully My HP Twins… check them out here.
surfnshow.com/products/twin-fins-hp-twins
Noel, I was looking at your surfing and it was pleasing to see that you don’t do little “wobbles” mid turn, unlike a lot of pros I see. One turn and then into another with nice flow. Keep it up. Your reviews a great. I bought a Chilli BV2 because of you and loving it!
@@davidmolloy2634 cheers for the kind words. Stoked you noticed that about my surfing. I’ve been working on flow in my surfing last couple years. I hate the pumping at the bottom instead of a solid bottom turn to generate speed. Bottom turns are beautiful maneuvers and there is an art to them. I am still working hard at getting better at them… cheers
@@surfnshowreviews7777 I agree, pumping in the bottom turn doesn’t look as nice as a bottom turn and then flowing into your next turn. Nothing better then a wave with enough power that you can do a proper bottom turn!
Awesome review. Have neglected my Seaside for a bit now and this video just made me want to pick it up again!!
@@iguanabartola Good to hear. Get a good set of Twin Fins for your Seaside and shred it in smaller waves. Next level fun
🎉 don't like fish board but press like for salas always
@@soulsurfer3102 Cheers… made my day!!!
i love my seaside. I've had it for several years and have surfed it from knee to waist high, up to about 6-7ft point surf. Controller Quads and Machado Quads. As a twin fin it just loses something IMO. ( K1 keels, just the Machado fronts, ive got some AMTs i might try )
Great review and content as always Noel.
Nothing but love, but I gotta say Asa needs to work on his style and flow. He looks too bent over at the waist and jerky. Yea he can make little flicks, but its ugly. He needs to squat/crouch vs bend, and work on those hands. ( hed be a great case study for your "how to surf better" series :) )
@@jamesk9087 Cheers for the feedback
The 🥑 looks like the Firewire Dan Mann Chumlee
Yeah and the s boss looks like a Tomo….
@@raphjod Bro... (I literally said, "looks like") Pick your battles better.
@@shannonyoung3465 not a battle breh.
Was stating another board that could be mistaken as another shaper.
The Chumlee was a dog of a board. I rode one in perfect 1’-3’ surf for 2 hours the board could not do a liver turn without bogging. It was fast down the line but one of the worst boards I’ve ridden to do turns in the pocket. The Cado is hands down a better board in every aspect of a Groveler compared to the Chumlee.
I have a Machado Glazer, that just sat in my house unused except for very specific conditions. I bought a set of Futures Al Merrick twin +1 to loosen up another board, which didn't go that well, so I put them in the Glazer instead, Holy Moly! Such a different board now, quality control on the Al Merrick fin was terrible though, I sent back two sets that were terribly finished, really rough edges, so look out for that if you buy a set.
Thanks for sharing!
I think it attribute also the volume between the seaside and machavocado
Caddo is the tribe that inhabited north east Texas. FYI
I’ve been a fan for years but this pool thing doesn’t always translate when compared to mother ocean. When top turning it looks different at the pool compared to the ocean. Been ocean surfing for 42 years so I’m bias. I will still watch though
@@zuma3334 Cheers for your faithfulness to our show. The pool is my punchy beach break. I know it’s not the same…. But it’s so fun. The boards I surf at Waco do translate to the ocean for me.
great video.. for what surfing level would you reccomend these boards ?
@@sagifern4444 Beginner/Low level intermediate with lots of volume all the way to Expert level surfers
Have you tried the seaside as a twin using the machado front quad fins?
@@jnrcory no sorry
Thanks , good video ! Both boards look like they would go well as quads or 2+1 , five fin boxes would give more options but ! 😁✌🙏
Yes I agree… 5 fin boxes would be epic for endless fin options and more fun.
Are you goign to review the dumpster diver 2?
@@tommykennedy8492 Yes… the FRK Swallow tail is next then the DD2
How would these compare to aipa supernova?
@@Garebare24 They don’t really. Although both of these boards are Grovelers they don’t offer the performance in the pocket or have the rail line for more drive through carves compared to the Supernova. The Nova will draw similar lines to a performance board in 1-3’ surf with Groveler speed.
Another great vidéo, Noel Salas is a legend. Cheers.
Glad you enjoyed it
Twinnie For Da Winnie...
nice!
👍🏻👍🏻🤙🏼
how do you feel about the sweet potato 🤔
@@catinthehat8412 Never tried it…. However I rode the Chumlee and it was not my cup of tea
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Noel... Did you ever surf the Chumlee with a 2+1 fin set up???
@@surfnshowreviews7777 I have one it's good Grover but when you go back on my normal board it's hard to transition
Hi Noel!
Really like your content!
A point of feedback regarding this video - when there’s a “vs” matchup between boards, it would be nice if you gave a score to each, based on different metrics (like what you did with the best of the best series).
In this video, you both just mainly said those two boards were fun with different set of fins and thats it
@@mtnrabi I will do more episodes like Best of the Best soon with a criteria. This episode is for all the folks in our community that wants to know what the difference between these two boards. I tried to explain it clearly in this episode. The Cado will surf the pocket better with a little more top to bottom capabilities and the Seaside is a bit more down the line and likes to carve more.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Got it thanks for the reply !!!
Let me guess. You love them both. You’ve never given a bad review. But not all boards are good. Hopefully sometime you’ll give an honest review.
@@bdlosson Watch the Rusty Chew Toy review. It was years ago but that board had no speed or X Factor. If a board is really bad….. then I won’t review it at all.
I surfed the Chumlee a few years back in fun 1’-3’ surf and it was fast but it couldn’t do a legit turn. Some surfers rave about the Chumlee in small surf…. For me it was awful.
Another board that was sticky unless I surfed it way off the tail was the Nobrainer. It was super flat (low rocker) and I said that in the review. It was a fast board but sticky through turns.
Maybe watch all of the episodes….
Presumably by the time a big company puts a stick into mass production, it’ll have been vetted during development to not really suck