Hey Expats and Travelers! Thanks for following our (Josh & Kalie) journey. We're thinking about doing our first live video this Sunday as we wait in the airport hotel in Miami. We'd love to connect with you all and answer your questions live. We're not sure how many people want to talk to us, but we're going to give it a go. If you're interested, please reply here what time works best for you. Here are the options. A 30 minute session somewhere between 4-6 PM EST, 6-8 PM EST or 9-11 PM EST? If all times work, just reply ALL.
Aloha Josh & Kalie, We live on the Big Island of Hawaii and are seriously considering becoming Expats in Portugal. We fell in love with Portugal when we visited there in the Summer of 2019 after walking the 500 mile Camino de Santiago pilgrimage. We'd love to hear more about how you two came to the decision to move to Portugal and we're also curious when you think you'll be able to travel there now that you have gotten your visas (especially considering the restrictions for US citizens coming into Portugal). Mahalo, Kai & Charlie
Hi Josh & Kalie, Thanks for keeping us posted. My wife & I are super keen to hear all the details of what you have to go through to get your pet to Portugal so please know that there is at least one couple (us!) out there that would be super interested in those details. We have our tickets booked for Lisbon for early December so we'll be arriving there in the not too distant future and we're bringing our two dogs with us.
Hi Lance, good to hear from you. We'll definitely get that video out once the process is complete. I think we could get it out in the next 10-14 days. - Josh & Kalie
I am binge watching all the moving to Portugal videos and this one got me teary eyed that you got your visa and passports, maybe because I am so stressed with the whole process, so I was happy for you guys.
Aww 🥰 That's so nice! Spoiler Alert! This leg of the story has a happy ending. TODAY will end another major chapter in this story and begin a new one as we have our SEF appointments. We hope that you can make it to our LIVE Stream chat about our SEF appointments and how they went. The SEF appointment is basically an immigration visit to review your (our) docs. ruclips.net/video/TSO-YvqzvOM/видео.html (set a reminder 😉) We understand the stress of it all (we were there too), if you have any questions or just want to vent, email us at info@expatseverywhere.com (reference this comment) and we'll do our best to help. - Josh & Kalie
I was 24 hours from leaving and didnt have my passport/visa. I was a college student so all my mail went to my college address though I put my parents (the French office assumed it was a mistake and changed it on my behalf). It went to my college town, back to Chicago 3 times! I finally had the post office general meet with me in person and physically put of signs all over the STL mail room to stop it if they saw it come through again. Welp... went down in person and had to literally climb into a truck to pull it out as it was on its way back to Chicago even though all the signs were up. It was the most stressful 24 hours of my life.
Congratulations! It is crazy how most of your time is rushing paperwork and rushing to wait. Then at the end everything falls into place and you have no time left. Thanks for the update!
@@ExpatsEverywhere Perhaps I missed it in one of your previous vlogs, but did you discuss how you went about getting housing for your move? Did you have to commit to a long term lease?
We talked about housing across the first few vlogs as we were going through the housing process ourselves. I used Idealista way back when we lived in Spain. So, I went back to the well to house hunt for Portugal. There are other ways to do this and we discussed them but to your question, we noticed a few property management companies were listing properties that we liked. We contacted them about the listings that we liked. We negotiated a little and then accepted their terms. We committed to a 6 month contract and we have ended up paying 1 month deposit and first and last month's rent. We're under the impression that we can extend our contract, but we're not sure if we will. VFS told us 6 months was all that was necessary and they got that information from the embassy. Hope that helps - Josh & Kalie
Great news! You will be arriving in the Fall/Winter, make sure you come prepared for the weather, specially if you come to Porto. When you arrive I suggest a "Francesinha" in "Café Santiago", after eating it go straight home and sleep - This is probably the best advice I've ever given, tell me if you do it :)
Thanks, Ivo! We appreciate you watching. We actually know the "Francesinha" all too well LOL. Cafe Santiago is a short walk from our apartment so we shouldn't have a problem rolling ourselves back to home after filling up. We actually really francesinhas but we're also trying not to gain too many lbs/kgs during the winter because let's all be honest, that could happen. We're excited to see Porto again! We'll be prepared for cooler weather although, we might need some better rain gear. :-) Thanks for the great advice! - Josh & Kalie
Awesome! So happy for you guys! Good luck on the travel over and getting settled in. We hope to be there next year, and still owe you a beer or two! Chris and MJ
Some Guy Cheers. Wished you two could have joined us last night for our first live Q&A. We appreciate the support and we’re looking forward to sharing some 🍻 and stories with you two.-Josh & Kalie
Thank you! Will do because you asked ;-) Seriously though, you all might think less of me after hearing the story. - Josh & Kalie (although I can't drag her into this one because I'm the bad guy.)
Hey Sharon, the video that we did about Lisbon was actually part of a series that we're running at ExpatsEverywhere for the year of 2020. Community members vote on what city they'd like us to highlight. We do a Review/Preview show every other Thursday. In 2020, our theme is "Great Expat Cities by the Alphabet". Lisbon happened to win the vote for the letter "L". We sourced the information to build out the episode and we shoot and edit it to deliver to our audience. Kalie and I used to live in Spain but never Portugal. This will be our first time although we've visited many times. Our next Review/Preview drops tomorrow at 11 AM EST and it's on Toronto. We'd love for you to watch and give us feedback! You can also start voting in the community tab for the Great Expat City starting with the letter "U". - Josh & Kalie
Thank you!! 😊 We're really looking forward to getting there. Are you interested in us doing a live session on Sunday? Thanks for all the comments. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Awh, thanks ... for helping us get there. Unfortunately I work on Sundays, so I only could make it more towards evening. I'm in Florida too.
@@ExpatsEverywhere Hi Josh and Kalie , I have a few more specific questions around the income requirement and documentation, I sent an email to expats everywhere @gmail.com to connect, not sure if that is the right email to reach you ? Thank you
A Facebook Marketplace video would be very helpful. Have you already gone over how many bags you are taking and any other boxes/bags you might be having shipped? We are wrestling a bit with that issue. Thanks for the great videos!
Jim, we're humbled. Thank you. Glad you found value in these enough to ask questions and comment here. I'll def. do a Facebook Marketplace video because I personally find the story funny although I'm guessing some people are going to be mad at me depending on how I tell the story. I'll try my best to get the video out next Tuesday because we have our Review/Preview video on Toronto on Thursday and this Sunday we're going to do/attempt our first RUclips Live video from the hotel in Miami before we fly out to Porto on Tuesday. We've talked about the bags and between us boys, right? (nobody else can see this, i think.) We would be taking a lot less if it wasn't for our 9 month old. That being said, we've been known to travel very light. We're going to have 2 suitcases (checked), 2 carry-on bags, 2 personal items with electronics, a pack and play for the kiddo, along with a stroller and carrier. We're not shipping anything this time. Hope that helps and we hope to hear from you on Sunday. If you're interested, please comment in the comment section under the pinned post about what time works best for you! - Josh (& Kalie)
Thanks for the question. Here's the first video in our series. ruclips.net/video/KfgwuBjR778/видео.html (Published August 9th) and this video was October 7th so it was right around 60 days total and we gave ourselves 65 days from the time we applied to when had flights to leave because we wanted to leave ASAP. We've heard that processing time has gotten longer due to a backup. Ask VFS Global how long processing time is right now and whatever they say build in another week or more to play it safe. - Josh & Kalie
Hi Josh and Kalie, Congrats on your visa! I hear it's taking 11 weeks to get a U.S. State Department Apostille stamp for the FBI criminal background check right now. How many weeks did it take to get yours back from start to finish? I've learned that my D7 visa process will time-out if it takes that long, and I have to start all over again if the apostille takes that long. Kind of like groundhogs day, stuck in a loop. Prisoner of my own country here!
Danielle Perry great to see you on the Q&A! Thanks for the questions. So glad to hear things are moving faster for you. Don’t open the envelope!!! 😊🙅♂️🙅♀️
@@ExpatsEverywhere Thank you! I was confused initially, as I was told by an attorney that I'd have to get a US State Department apostille stamp separate from the FBI consulate apostille stamp. I'm glad that's not the case, as I'd never make it out of the loop. Thank you and one of your followers for informing me otherwise. Hope to run into you on the other side of the pond at one point!
For the rent normally Brazilian ppl that come to Portugal pay from 6 to 12 months deposit and in advanced. How you manage to pay only 2 months? Very strange only Portuguese that show to the landlord their tax income (IRS/IRC) can pay only 2 months deposit.
Artur João Costa Rebelo We went through Liiiving which we found on Idealista. That’s all we know. We didn’t know that Brazilians had to pay such high deposits.- Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere If you understand Portuguese, you can search in youtube a lot of Brazilian talk about their bad luck. This guy tell to Brazilians what they need to do to rent a house, and tell them that they need to be prepared to pay 12 months in deposit. ruclips.net/video/zdkqHC_olO8/видео.html After 8:24 minute.
Congrats on your moving to Portugal. I’m new to your site. What made you decide not to transport your car? I heard buying another is extremely expensive. Are you moving to location that had great transportation? I’m looking to move after the election next year and trying to gather all the pieces for my check off list. I’ve retired and by myself so looking for any help to guide me on smooth pass. Cheryl
Hi Cheryl, thank you! Have you watched from the first vlog entry by chance? We basically document our journey step by step and it can be a guide for you. Congrats on making the decision to move. To answer your question, we don't generally drive when we live abroad because public transportation out of the US is usually really good. In Porto, it's great. Metro, buses, trams oh my! Seriously, though it's great. We're in the city center and it's really walkable. We're in Bolhão and pretty much anything we need is within a 5 min radius by foot. Once you get life set up, which takes a bit of walking around the city if you'd like, you'll then just be able to stick to your neighborhood if you want. If you want to explore more, and you should, you can go by foot, metro, bus, tram, or taxi. If you're in Lisbon or Porto, a car is completely unnecessary and we would argue it would lower your quality of life. :-) Hope that helps! - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere thank you. I’m trying to search for the first one on Portugal. I found last two when in Orlando and doing passports and visa. I’ll keep searching for any other ones you have done. Thanks for your help on car, I have follow few others and they were out of transporation range. Nice job guys, look forward to your next one.
@@cherylgallagher481 Here's the whole playlist and we'll keep adding to it. ruclips.net/p/PL25TVkE0JZWllC7WG25lwqosk7NV2w-wy Thanks for the support. New video tomorrow. - Josh & Kalie
😂We've had to do it several times now so the fear has been removed. We've even bought several rental properties back in the US without touring. ⚽️🏀🏈🏐 - Josh & Kalie
Hey Expats and Travelers! Thanks for following our (Josh & Kalie) journey. We're thinking about doing our first live video this Sunday as we wait in the airport hotel in Miami. We'd love to connect with you all and answer your questions live. We're not sure how many people want to talk to us, but we're going to give it a go. If you're interested, please reply here what time works best for you. Here are the options. A 30 minute session somewhere between 4-6 PM EST, 6-8 PM EST or 9-11 PM EST? If all times work, just reply ALL.
I'm retired -- time has ,lost all meaning. Whatever works for you guys! ALL
Jim McPherson 😂 Thanks. To be honest, CoVid has kind of done that to us. - Josh & Kalie
All works for me
i'm west coast so i'll vote for 9-11 EST. Safe travels
Aloha Josh & Kalie, We live on the Big Island of Hawaii and are seriously considering becoming Expats in Portugal. We fell in love with Portugal when we visited there in the Summer of 2019 after walking the 500 mile Camino de Santiago pilgrimage. We'd love to hear more about how you two came to the decision to move to Portugal and we're also curious when you think you'll be able to travel there now that you have gotten your visas (especially considering the restrictions for US citizens coming into Portugal). Mahalo, Kai & Charlie
Hi Josh & Kalie,
Thanks for keeping us posted.
My wife & I are super keen to hear all the details of what you have to go through to get your pet to Portugal so please know that there is at least one couple (us!) out there that would be super interested in those details.
We have our tickets booked for Lisbon for early December so we'll be arriving there in the not too distant future and we're bringing our two dogs with us.
Hi Lance, good to hear from you. We'll definitely get that video out once the process is complete. I think we could get it out in the next 10-14 days. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Great!
I am binge watching all the moving to Portugal videos and this one got me teary eyed that you got your visa and passports, maybe because I am so stressed with the whole process, so I was happy for you guys.
Aww 🥰 That's so nice! Spoiler Alert! This leg of the story has a happy ending. TODAY will end another major chapter in this story and begin a new one as we have our SEF appointments. We hope that you can make it to our LIVE Stream chat about our SEF appointments and how they went. The SEF appointment is basically an immigration visit to review your (our) docs. ruclips.net/video/TSO-YvqzvOM/видео.html (set a reminder 😉)
We understand the stress of it all (we were there too), if you have any questions or just want to vent, email us at info@expatseverywhere.com (reference this comment) and we'll do our best to help. - Josh & Kalie
Congrats! So excited for you!
Thank you!! We appreciate it. - Josh & Kalie
I was 24 hours from leaving and didnt have my passport/visa. I was a college student so all my mail went to my college address though I put my parents (the French office assumed it was a mistake and changed it on my behalf). It went to my college town, back to Chicago 3 times! I finally had the post office general meet with me in person and physically put of signs all over the STL mail room to stop it if they saw it come through again. Welp... went down in person and had to literally climb into a truck to pull it out as it was on its way back to Chicago even though all the signs were up. It was the most stressful 24 hours of my life.
Wow was this recently?!
Congratulations! It is crazy how most of your time is rushing paperwork and rushing to wait. Then at the end everything falls into place and you have no time left. Thanks for the update!
Thank you, bro! It's been a lot of hurry up and wait, that's for sure. We appreciate you watching. Care to connect on Sunday? ;-) - Josh & Kalie
YAY 😃!! So happy for you guys! Your hard work and persistence paid off! Looking forward to seeing your first video in Porto!
Sandra Segrest Thank you 🙏 we appreciate your support!! We’re looking forward to making it. - Josh & Kalie
Congratulations! You’re one step closer. Looking forward to seeing your journey progress further.
It feels so good, Georg D! Thanks for the support. One or two more videos before we shoot our 1st one in Portugal! - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Perhaps I missed it in one of your previous vlogs, but did you discuss how you went about getting housing for your move? Did you have to commit to a long term lease?
We talked about housing across the first few vlogs as we were going through the housing process ourselves. I used Idealista way back when we lived in Spain. So, I went back to the well to house hunt for Portugal. There are other ways to do this and we discussed them but to your question, we noticed a few property management companies were listing properties that we liked. We contacted them about the listings that we liked. We negotiated a little and then accepted their terms. We committed to a 6 month contract and we have ended up paying 1 month deposit and first and last month's rent. We're under the impression that we can extend our contract, but we're not sure if we will. VFS told us 6 months was all that was necessary and they got that information from the embassy. Hope that helps - Josh & Kalie
Expats Everywhere Thank you so much for the useful info, i appreciate the time you took to answer my question. I will rewatch your other vlogs.
Congratulations! So happy to hear the news. Thank you for all your email assistance last week. We greatly appreciate it.
Our pleasure! Thank you for the support. - Josh & Kalie
Yayyyyy!!!! I'm thrilled for you all! I knew everything would work out. Awesome! 🧡🧡🧡
Prachel Carter Thank you 🙏 Any interest in us going live on RUclips Sunday?
Great news! You will be arriving in the Fall/Winter, make sure you come prepared for the weather, specially if you come to Porto. When you arrive I suggest a "Francesinha" in "Café Santiago", after eating it go straight home and sleep - This is probably the best advice I've ever given, tell me if you do it :)
Thanks, Ivo! We appreciate you watching. We actually know the "Francesinha" all too well LOL. Cafe Santiago is a short walk from our apartment so we shouldn't have a problem rolling ourselves back to home after filling up. We actually really francesinhas but we're also trying not to gain too many lbs/kgs during the winter because let's all be honest, that could happen. We're excited to see Porto again! We'll be prepared for cooler weather although, we might need some better rain gear. :-) Thanks for the great advice! - Josh & Kalie
Awesome! So happy for you guys! Good luck on the travel over and getting settled in. We hope to be there next year, and still owe you a beer or two! Chris and MJ
Some Guy Cheers. Wished you two could have joined us last night for our first live Q&A. We appreciate the support and we’re looking forward to sharing some 🍻 and stories with you two.-Josh & Kalie
Congratulations!
Thank you! :-) - Josh & Kalie
Congratulations! Keep the details of the Portugal process coming! Would also be interested in Facebook marketplace story for sure.
Thank you! Will do because you asked ;-) Seriously though, you all might think less of me after hearing the story. - Josh & Kalie (although I can't drag her into this one because I'm the bad guy.)
It’s been so exciting watching this process.
Thanks, Sharon. It's been fun to document. We appreciate the comment and view.
How did you guys decide to go back to Portugal? I see in a previous video that you lived in Lisbon.
Hey Sharon, the video that we did about Lisbon was actually part of a series that we're running at ExpatsEverywhere for the year of 2020. Community members vote on what city they'd like us to highlight. We do a Review/Preview show every other Thursday. In 2020, our theme is "Great Expat Cities by the Alphabet". Lisbon happened to win the vote for the letter "L". We sourced the information to build out the episode and we shoot and edit it to deliver to our audience.
Kalie and I used to live in Spain but never Portugal. This will be our first time although we've visited many times.
Our next Review/Preview drops tomorrow at 11 AM EST and it's on Toronto. We'd love for you to watch and give us feedback! You can also start voting in the community tab for the Great Expat City starting with the letter "U". - Josh & Kalie
Congratulations! Good job!! I'm excited for you. 😄
Thank you!! 😊 We're really looking forward to getting there. Are you interested in us doing a live session on Sunday? Thanks for all the comments. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Awh, thanks ... for helping us get there. Unfortunately I work on Sundays, so I only could make it more towards evening. I'm in Florida too.
Sharon Petersen You’re welcome. We’re thinking about a 30 minute session between 6-8 pm or 8-11 pm.
Expats Everywhere Between 6 and 8 works for me. Thank you.
Parabéns vocês!
George MkaY Obrigado!
I'm looking to do the same for retirement in three years.
Love it! Do it! Thanks for watching. Hope to see you around the channel more. - Josh & Kalie
Congratulations !!
Thanks, Fred! You've been right here cheering us on from Day 1 and we appreciate it! - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Hi Josh and Kalie , I have a few more specific questions around the income requirement and documentation, I sent an email to expats everywhere @gmail.com to connect, not sure if that is the right email to reach you ? Thank you
Fred Wang yes, that’s correct. We’ll have a look at it there and be in touch via email. Cheers.
A Facebook Marketplace video would be very helpful. Have you already gone over how many bags you are taking and any other boxes/bags you might be having shipped? We are wrestling a bit with that issue. Thanks for the great videos!
Jim, we're humbled. Thank you. Glad you found value in these enough to ask questions and comment here.
I'll def. do a Facebook Marketplace video because I personally find the story funny although I'm guessing some people are going to be mad at me depending on how I tell the story. I'll try my best to get the video out next Tuesday because we have our Review/Preview video on Toronto on Thursday and this Sunday we're going to do/attempt our first RUclips Live video from the hotel in Miami before we fly out to Porto on Tuesday.
We've talked about the bags and between us boys, right? (nobody else can see this, i think.) We would be taking a lot less if it wasn't for our 9 month old. That being said, we've been known to travel very light. We're going to have 2 suitcases (checked), 2 carry-on bags, 2 personal items with electronics, a pack and play for the kiddo, along with a stroller and carrier. We're not shipping anything this time.
Hope that helps and we hope to hear from you on Sunday. If you're interested, please comment in the comment section under the pinned post about what time works best for you! - Josh (& Kalie)
Awesome guys . Congrats on the visa. Question: How does it work tax wise?
Thank you. Do you mean who do we pay taxes to?
I will say welcome to my Country. You will love it
Thank you! We already love it, which is why we wanted to move there. :-) - Josh & Kalie
Not stuck in the rat race of America anymore...Portugal is all about slow living...welcome and please be Happy here 😊👍😘
I want to hear the car story!
Thank you. It’s in the pipeline. 😊 - Josh and Kalie
Awesome news 👊👊👊
Thank you! We appreciate it. Awesome news indeed. - Josh & Kalie
How long did it take from the time you submitted your application to VSF Global to when you received your visa?
Thanks for the question.
Here's the first video in our series. ruclips.net/video/KfgwuBjR778/видео.html (Published August 9th) and this video was October 7th so it was right around 60 days total and we gave ourselves 65 days from the time we applied to when had flights to leave because we wanted to leave ASAP. We've heard that processing time has gotten longer due to a backup. Ask VFS Global how long processing time is right now and whatever they say build in another week or more to play it safe. - Josh & Kalie
Hi Josh and Kalie, Congrats on your visa! I hear it's taking 11 weeks to get a U.S. State Department Apostille stamp for the FBI criminal background check right now. How many weeks did it take to get yours back from start to finish? I've learned that my D7 visa process will time-out if it takes that long, and I have to start all over again if the apostille takes that long. Kind of like groundhogs day, stuck in a loop. Prisoner of my own country here!
Danielle Perry great to see you on the Q&A! Thanks for the questions. So glad to hear things are moving faster for you. Don’t open the envelope!!! 😊🙅♂️🙅♀️
@@ExpatsEverywhere Thank you! I was confused initially, as I was told by an attorney that I'd have to get a US State Department apostille stamp separate from the FBI consulate apostille stamp. I'm glad that's not the case, as I'd never make it out of the loop. Thank you and one of your followers for informing me otherwise. Hope to run into you on the other side of the pond at one point!
Parabéns
Jen Shea Obrigad@ - Josh & Kalie
My fedex location let me get my pet’s mailings taken care of there in the store 🤨
Great! - Josh & Kalie
Yes, please tell me how you sold your car on Face Book Marketplace..thanks!
You got it! - Josh & Kalie
I would love to hear the Facebook marketplace story!
You got it! - Josh
Cool congrats
Antonio Dasilva Thank you 🙏 We appreciate it. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere ive moved from long island New york
Antonio Dasilva Brilliant! Where are you in Portugal? - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Anadia central PT
Antonio Dasilva what took you there?
For the rent normally Brazilian ppl that come to Portugal pay from 6 to 12 months deposit and in advanced. How you manage to pay only 2 months? Very strange only Portuguese that show to the landlord their tax income (IRS/IRC) can pay only 2 months deposit.
Artur João Costa Rebelo We went through Liiiving which we found on Idealista. That’s all we know. We didn’t know that Brazilians had to pay such high deposits.- Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere If you understand Portuguese, you can search in youtube a lot of Brazilian talk about their bad luck.
This guy tell to Brazilians what they need to do to rent a house, and tell them that they need to be prepared to pay 12 months in deposit.
ruclips.net/video/zdkqHC_olO8/видео.html After 8:24 minute.
Congrats on your moving to Portugal. I’m new to your site. What made you decide not to transport your car? I heard buying another is extremely expensive. Are you moving to location that had great transportation? I’m looking to move after the election next year and trying to gather all the pieces for my check off list. I’ve retired and by myself so looking for any help to guide me on smooth pass. Cheryl
Hi Cheryl, thank you!
Have you watched from the first vlog entry by chance?
We basically document our journey step by step and it can be a guide for you. Congrats on making the decision to move.
To answer your question, we don't generally drive when we live abroad because public transportation out of the US is usually really good. In Porto, it's great. Metro, buses, trams oh my! Seriously, though it's great. We're in the city center and it's really walkable. We're in Bolhão and pretty much anything we need is within a 5 min radius by foot. Once you get life set up, which takes a bit of walking around the city if you'd like, you'll then just be able to stick to your neighborhood if you want. If you want to explore more, and you should, you can go by foot, metro, bus, tram, or taxi. If you're in Lisbon or Porto, a car is completely unnecessary and we would argue it would lower your quality of life. :-)
Hope that helps! - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere thank you. I’m trying to search for the first one on Portugal. I found last two when in Orlando and doing passports and visa. I’ll keep searching for any other ones you have done. Thanks for your help on car, I have follow few others and they were out of transporation range. Nice job guys, look forward to your next one.
@@cherylgallagher481 Here's the whole playlist and we'll keep adding to it. ruclips.net/p/PL25TVkE0JZWllC7WG25lwqosk7NV2w-wy
Thanks for the support. New video tomorrow. - Josh & Kalie
how do you even rent something without taking a tour at the place? the balls you guys have..
😂We've had to do it several times now so the fear has been removed. We've even bought several rental properties back in the US without touring. ⚽️🏀🏈🏐 - Josh & Kalie