Red Flags For Models
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Most photographers, whether full-time professionals or new-to-everything amateurs, figure out how to be appropriate towards models immediately. Thank you. After all, it's not especially difficult to avoid sexually harassing someone. For most people. Most, but not, of course, all.
In this video, I talk through an email exchange so full of red flags that I ended up not shooting with the photographer concerned. His subsequent online behaviour has reassured me that it was absolutely the right call, so by detailing the warning signs I picked up on (and by all means do comment if you spot more), I hope to help other models (especially newer ones) to avoid predatory photographers, and people who're looking for something they won't find at a professional shoot. Like, you know, a sexual encounter with an inebriated model.
And for anyone considering working with a model for the first time, I hope it might give you some pointers too. Hopefully, most of you wouldn't dream of communicating the way this individual did, but perhaps it'll help you to understand what models are looking for in good, non-threatening communication. And "BUT I'M A GENTLEMAN" isn't it.
Thank you for sharing this, Ariel. It's great information that newer models should hear.
On a side note, I love that necklace, and the ship on the mantle.
Thank you! I love my ship!
As a female that’s been looking into this kind of work, I really appreciate this video (and all of your videos). This has been a real eye opener. I also adore your way of talking, you’re so eloquent and soothing to listen to!
Thanks for this fun window into negotiations with a less-than-professional (to say the least) and obsessed GWC (guy with camera). Many people don't understand that bondage productions are for the camera, and that necessitates an almost clinical and strategic approach off the camera. It's called acting (and the bondage is actual "stunt work"). The professional producer that was referenced numerous times has well over a decade of experience in negotiation and safety procedures in place to end up with his very "strict" result.
I think you bent over backwards to be kind and accommodating to this person but he was not able to separate the production aspect of shooting with his personal sexual fantasies.
Thanks for your contribution! I agree, and have noticed that often for work with more sexual connotations, or work that's more physically intimate, the producers are even better at being appropriate and professional, perhaps because they understand how challenging the work might be from the model's point of view. It's really worrying when someone joins our world/industry with the express intention of trying to emulate the strictest or most sexual stuff they've ever seen, with none of the skills and no apparent interest in learning how to create a safe, egalitarian and positive environment. I guess it's one of the reasons that behind-the-scenes footage is so useful, to highlight that fact that actually, no one is drinking champagne, and the models aren't *actually* captives etc etc.
Thank you for this Ariel, it was enlightening and worrying in equal measures. Your honesty and willingness to reflect and learn are great qualities to possess. I'm sorry you had to go through this, however the sharing is valuable in helping others to recognise those red flags and perhaps cathartic for you too. Stay safe.
Thanks so much John. I wanna make a video about the 10 things I wish I'd known when I started modelling, cos not going through with shoots when there are warning signs like this would be a great starting point xx
@@ArielsTwilightYears super idea I'm sure as you are a very very very old model you will have lots of examples to pull from. Hindsight is a wonderful teacher so long as you take on board the learning opportunities. From a very very very old photographer.
Thank you for your clear story again. It is pity that you have to defend yourself against such "mean" communication.
Blimey!...I've vaguely heard about this type of behaviour of photographers from other models but never really knew the details....quite easy to see how less experienced models could fall for a dodgy shoot.
It's such a toxic combination of small things, and it's easy to ignore them if you just want the shoot to happen, because it's tempting to think that people won't be so bad in real life. But having met a few people who are *just* as bad in real life, I'm more cautious now. And I really hope newer models learn faster than me, and avoid the people who really shouldn't get to be alone with models at all xx
Refreshingly honest, LOVE the videos and you!
Another wonderful & informative video for new & existing models, regarding red flag photographers, lovely that you highlight these sort of situations to help fellow models ... regarding their safety.
Even as a non-photographer you can learn something about the dark side of people in your videos.
I could only make it to 16:00!
This video was as disturbing as the "I'll Wait for You, My Friends" was beautiful!
Thank you! And agreed; all just really alarming. It's fortunately uncommon for people to be this inappropriate, but elements of his behaviour are, sadly, quite familiar to a lot of models :(
thank you ariel and stay safe
Well worth the watch ,peace
Thank you!
Love your movies 😍 can't wait to see from you next.
I like learning what not to do if I was a modelling photographer.
I'm merely a train photographer as a hobbiest.
That is a little safer, probably!
Really fascinating to listen to, and probably a tribute to your professionalism rather than an example of poor judgement on your part. It was clear by the end that there was a problem but for the early parts of the exchange I can totally see why you would try to make it work. One thing I am puzzled by is the other model this person worked with, they were drinking during a BDSM shoot by the way you describe it? Or was this perhaps some embellishment on his part?
Also I can only assume you are using that dress as material for sewing the masks since you had plenty of leg on show. Very summery and just the look for June 1st :-)
Thank you! I don't blame the other model at all; for all I know he didn't tell her beforehand about the champagne, and it's way harder to say 'no' on the day, when someone's just opened a bottle of it. But yeah, we only have his word for it that she drank champagne all through the shoot. It's one of the awful things about predatory photographers, that they'll use pictures from a previous shoot to try to pressurise future models into accepting bad behaviour. I had a photographer push me into letting him be in some of the pictures at a shoot once. I told him he couldn't take his pants off, but he used cropped versions of the pictures afterwards, to persuade another model that I *had* let him pose nude with me. And then she felt like she had to let him do the same. So I'm never gonna blame another model for what they might have felt under pressure to do.
As a Dutch semi-professional photographer I would really like to know how the photographer was that had the audacity to contact you in such a way. These type of guys give the rest of us a bad name and should be carved out of the business. Of course you are professional enough not to name and shame him (possibility of lawsuits is not something you want), but still I would like to know ;-).
I would be sad if I could not shoot with you but I would not get mad because it is a wonder any model does bondage shoots with guys like that aroind.
Hi Ariel,
I'll refrain from a novel length comment about all of this and keep it down to just two items.
I certainly understand your desire to fill empty time slots and earn extra cash after all you are in business, but what went through my mind is that money is the root of all evil and that can unintentionally go in two directions. Lastly his persistence is frightening to me and I trust that you guard against someone seeking out where you live or what your itinerary is?
Absolutely. I think many models would say the same; when we're not under pressure, we're good at turning work down if something doesn't feel right. We're more vulnerable when it comes to short-notice cancellations, especially on tour when we've got additional travel expenses. Being able to earn money from self-shot content is helping us a lot though, because rather than taking risky-sounding assignments when we haven't got full diaries, we can simply shoot on our own in the safety of our hotel rooms. This is one of the best things that's happened to my industry, I think. And it means that bad photographers are finding it increasingly hard to get bookings. x
@@ArielsTwilightYears I’ve been rolling this around in my head Ariel, it’s just an idea. Have you ever thought of opening a Patreon account? It wouldn’t be a huge money maker, but it would certainly be more than what you make from RUclips, if you make anything at all. If nothing else it would help to offset your video making costs or possible contribute to your travel expenses. Plus you would have total control over the content.
Clueless about this stuff but I was under the impression that it's "fairly common" for models to arrange shoots where a bunch of amateur photog's can just pay to show up and take pic's.
I would assume (to give them the benefit of the doubt) that when an amateur says "in private" they're asking for an exclusive shoot rather than one of these "group" shoots.
I guess the problem is that, when we're talking about people who have "specialist" interests, there's no way of knowing what they expect from a shoot or whether they're even fundamentally realistic about what a "photo shoot" actually is.
Thinking about it, I wonder if there'd be a market for some kind of event where fans could have a guaranteed opportunity to meet models without the pressure/pretense of a photoshoot environment OR the concerns related to being in a delicate situation with strangers?
Hire a smallish venue, book a bunch of guest-speakers, tell some stories, mingle with the crowd and sell some merch. Say, 200 people @ £50 a ticket'?
Yes; as I said in the video, I offer fans the opportunity to come to my personal appearances because then they can meet me without needing to be a photographer. Alternatively, they can shoot at fan photoshoots that events like Boundcon & Fetishcon lay on especially for this purpose. And if they have no BDSM experience, but really want control of the shoot and to have exclusive images, they can always hire a rigger to work with the models. That way, the model is safe and the bondage will be great quality. This guy was essentially looking for a date with pictures as a souvenir.
@@ArielsTwilightYears I should say, I totally agree with your assessment of that guy - I guess some of the language could be forgiven when English isn't somebody's first language but toward the end the correspondence got seriously creepy.
Believe it or not you even have Questionable Photographers (okay okay let's call them for what they are., Bloody Pervs) in the Cosplay community and you also have great Photographers in that community as well., In each State the Cosplay community have Facebook groups that flush by warning Cosplayers who is trustworthy and who isn't.
And I have to brag on my Niece she used to do Cosplay herself but she quit that to focus on her Photography and becoming a Professional photographer
May you have a Smashing week
I *do* believe it. I've worked in a wide variety of genres, from catwalk through to fetish, through to art nude and everything in between. Sadly, some predatory types have realised that having a camera and calling themselves a photographer can give them access to models. Fortunately most models become aware of this pretty fast, and avoid the people with no sincere interest in collaborating respectfully with a model, but it always seems worth drawing attention to the warning signs, so new models don't end up alone in a hotel room with a drunk man who's fixated on their feet (or whatever). Thanks for your comment!