2018 Suzuki Burgman 650 Executive - Long Term Review
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2024
- 2018 Suzuki Burgman 650 Executive - Long Term Review: Having learned to appreciate scooters over the last year or so, I've been riding the defacto king of the maxiscoots, the Suzuki Burgman 650 Executive for the last few weeks. Here's my long term review of this uber-scoot....
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I'm 62, riding a motorbike since I was 19. I have a back wear and I have an older Suzuki Burgman 650 from 2002. I have driven a lot of heavy motorbikes, but this Burgman is the first that I can ride that I have no problems with my back. But also in the driving experience, it is not far from an older Goldwing.
I had a 2009 Burg and what a great machine! It WILL, as you say, do 110-115MPH per speedo which is pretty much correct standard and not the usual 5+- mph deviation of most Asian bikes. EASILY 100mph for nearly everyone (ummm, so I'm told :). The point is though is that it can cruise all day at highway speed. It also gets there QUCK and will rival street bikes. I was complimented on my scoot by some very talented young street bike riders as to its speed AND it is just a 650! It is the most stable machine I have ever ridden and I bought mine after breaking my neck/back ending my 30 year police career. I could not get my leg over a bike for a long time BUT the step through and comfort of the Burg was perfect. I know you are quoting DEALER costs for maintenance, which IMHO is VERY HIGH and way to SHORT of interval. It is NOT what my excellent dealer even came close to and my insurance agent LOVES the Burg with a very low rate of around $125 /yr with full coverage. They may not look like it BUT they are really easy to work on and the body molding comes right off with a removal of a couple bolts. The engine is UNDER you and opposed so it is smooth with a super low center of gravity making it so stable that low speed maneuvers are easy. I took a riding course for instructor prep with it and it was so easy to do. It is automatic OR you can use the thumb shifter. It also has a really nice/smooth SHAFT DRIVE!
It has a TON of storage under the seat that lifts up as a TRUNK and your fuel is also BEHIND you and low helping handling. AND when it rains you are completely dry (while moving) by the front fairing which does a great job even protecting your arms from getting wet. The electronic windshield raises/lowers instantly to keep the wind/rain off you. IF I did get some drops on my helmet visor I would just drop the windshield for a second, the wind blast would clear my face shield and then put the windshield back up.
I bought it used in 2012 with low miles from the said dealer who had it traded in by original owner for a new Burg. I only say this because the dealer actually BOUGHT MY BURG when I traded it in for my 2014 STROM 1000. I bought the VEE because I was recouping well at the time and wanted to be able to get down some fire trails, etc in my travels. I SHOULD have kept her but did not have the space BUT when my leg will not get over the saddle again, I'm getting a BURG again!!!
Did you say "shaft" drive? My '03 had a CVT gearbox with stacked gears all the way back to a gear drive for the rear wheel.
In fact there were three different oil changes required for servicing the engine/drivetrain;
The engine,
Gearbox (CVT)
and final gear (rear wheel).
Not as bad as it sounds.
"I've used it a lot more than I thought I was going to do". That is such a common response to owning one of these, I've heard it many, many times. It is just so practical and useful. I use it as my primary transportation, almost every single day. Grocery store runs. Back and forth to work. You name it. And then every summer my brother and I tour cross country, thousands of miles. 500 miles in a day is common, and I arrive relaxed and comfortable!
The price can be a little eye-popping, but I've never paid retail for one. Plus, you really don't need to buy anything else. It's a compete touring package. Ready to take you to the four corners of the earth.
Very nice review. I live in Taiwan and already done 30000km with my 650 Burgman. Here heavy traffic in town (23M people, 13M scooters), lots of mountains (300 pics over 3000mt). Frankly speaking, best bike ever... really multi-tasks and so confortable.
One of my greatest earthly desires is to ride at least once Suzuki Burgman 650 executive just to feel the sensation, owning one would be a dream which has come true !!! Just looking at it is a pleasure for the eyes !!!
I have owned a 2008 Burgman 650 Exec for the last 8 years. Rode it almost exclusively for the first 3 years, and put 27K miles on it during that period. Touring ability? No problem. I added a pair of Givi panniers and a Shad top box, giving it Goldwing-like capacity, with plenty of room for a large duffle on the pillion seat if needed. Did a 500 mile ride one day, no issues. It has since been replaced as my main ride by a Triumph Trophy SE, which is one of the greatest touring bikes ever assembled. But each time I hit the road on the big scoot, I can’t help but get the famous ‘Burgman Grin’!
I do agree that cruise control is the missing link to complete the bike, although backlit switchgear would be great as well (even my Trophy doesn’t have that). And the bike is sneaky fast! Anyone who knocks it, obviously hasn’t ridden one. Thanks for a great review!
Cheers Jim!
I have a Goldwing and have had a Burgman, I think the Burgman is the nearest to a Goldwing type experience of any bike. In fact sometimes I wonder why I don't just get another Burgman, it's much more practical and nearly as comfortable.
@@RufusCapstick I've actually got the money to upgrade from my 2007 Burgman to a Gold Wing (automatic tranny, of course) and I'm thinking now that I would be better off just to upgrade to a new Burgman. Maybe I should go rent a GW for a day and see if I can fall in love with it. Even if I purchased a GW I think I should keep the Burgman. I just don't see myself hopping on a GW for a quick run to the store like I do with my Burgie.
Bought my AN650 Burgman at the beginning of 2015 and still have it. It has been the most reliable and best ride of any bike I have had (since I started riding in the mid 70's). Totally agree about the protection provided when riding in the wet as I used to wear a suit to meet clients with an all in one over the top. I always turned up presentable in the worst of English weather.
This was the reason I got the bike in the first place, to be able to ride to work across long distances on motorway and inner city rush hour conditions anywhere in the country and that paid off when I was the only thing moving (with other bikers of course) for 20 miles or more in the jams (love the ways those mirrors folding makes me as thin as any other bike...and after time the buttons become second nature).
The only point I would make with you is that you didn't mention this bike is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Flicking a switch turns the bike from a sleepy automatic (relatively speaking) into a very nippy manual (change up/down is by button like grand prix cars and when you stop you automatically go into neutral). The other button you didn't mention is the sport button which is rather like a kick-down on a manual car... press that and the bike changes down and you discover exactly how much power was hiding under the fairing for that get out of jail moment.
I am retired now and the bike still suits me because (as you said) its cheap to run and great for everything else non-work related.
How fast can it go?
I personally think the Burgman is the best looking scooter.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that! Thanks for watching - TMF
No tmax or Honda x adv this looks like it from the 90s
@@TheMissendenFlyer traction control? Cruise control?
By far one of the best reviews I’ve ever seen, I’ve got a friend here who got one to ride around town instead of his big Honda 1800 goldwing, next year he sold the goldwing as the Suzuki did everything including touring from Edmonton Alberta to California.
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Forza 300 is a good cheaper option.
I own a 2018 BMW R1200 GS Rallye as well as a Yamaha Tmax 500 and I know I should not say that, but I love riding the scooter more. It´s easy handling, the smooth an relaxed riding, the storage capacity, the wind protection. I don´t miss anything, not even the power, which is more than enough for relaxed and fast touring. The burgman 650 would be a step further. Thanks for your review(s) from germany and keep going on like this...
We call it the Halfabusa.
The engine is a 'busa one that's been cut in half
@Vinsu Karma its a hyabusa engine cut in half and engineered for a cvt. and goes 0-60mph in 3,2 seconds with 150 pound rider, its half a busa
I’ve never seen a more complete review of any motor vehicle before. You covered every condition perfectly. The only thing I wanted to see is what the storage actually looked liked. I’ve been wanting one of these for awhile, believe it would get more use than the HD Sportster I currently own
Oops - missed a trick! Thanks for watching - TMF
The Burgman 650 stands head and shoulders above the rest . I have toured to Portugal , South Spain, Scotland and in the last 2 weeks Berlin . 1600 miles riding in 4 days . All luggage [50 ltrs] stored under the seat . Top speed during the trip 110 mph . Kept up with everyone one the trip including a Triumph Rocket 3 . What more do you want ?
Thanks for watching and for stopping by!
Yorkshire UK . Regards Peter
that would make a great video series touring Europe on an scooter like this, well I think it would be cool
sounds like you've been following me on my 2014 650 Burgman now just coming up to 50,000 miles and loved every one.
Hi I own a 2017 650 Burgman it is the excellent bike I ever bought the reason why they call me scooter Steve cuz I had the very first 2003 Burgman when it came out I owned all the models that you can think of the older ones plus two new ones I even had the very first 2013 but I like the 2017 cuz it has a heating seat and heating grips is very comfortable and easy to drive I'm watching one of your videos and you're talking about it so I just want to let the public know if you're right it is excellent bike I even purchased a Sharp stereo system I like it so much and if you go to my website scooter Steve you can see my scooter on there well you guys keep the good work up I'll keep watching your videos thank you very much scooter Steve
We absolutely love your format of analysis and review in your video, it is well organized and segmented which keeps the audience interested in whats next. Well done and keep up the good work.
Fantastic review, as was the other video. I have had a Burgman 650 2007 model for 7 years and some 80,000 miles in that time. Its an incredible ride for me here in Spain after years of London riding. I just purchased a newer one a few days ago as I don't think there is another bike that suits my needs. I use it for touring and days out hiking in the mountains and countryside , where i can take all my kit and stow helmet , jacket and trousers under the seat. After hiking I can stretch my legs for the home ride. An awesome ride. I have to add that I was crying with laughter at your last three negaative points about the looks, price and size. I have the older Burgman which is even bigger looking. I love it, its a tank. I see other bikes being blown about in the winds here and my 249kg tank just cuts the wind. The price is higher than a normal motorbike but in the end the service is cheaper. I rememeber paying 180€ for my Michelin Anekee minus vat and mount. The Burgma cost about 120€ all in.
You do one of the best complete reviews I've seen....Great Job!!
The best review I've seen on a Burgman!! Well done!!
Thanks very much!
That's how a review should be like. Thanks.
Best reviews about this big scoot thank you for taking time to test ride this motorcycle I bought a 2004 burg and rode all kinds of bikes in my life and this bike is so comfortable in riding smooth transmission operation.
Once u grow up and u realize u aint Rossi .This is one of the best alrounders day to day. Half car half Tron.
End of line :-)
Half Car half armchair you mean :P
Brilliant well done , brought a 125cc burgman 2018 and im very pleased with it , im 58 years of age and its my first bike , i now wish i have done it earlier in my life , my burgman is the bike for me , love it..
Great review!!!! I am very surprised to see people liking this over even a goldwing! Never imagined that.
I set mine up with a set of Wilber’s rear shocks and progressive springs in the front. It is an absolute weapon now. I have done 13000 Klm in the past 12 months, while my poor 2017 BMW R1200RT has done 970 Klm in the same period. Does that tell you something 😉
The "crashiness" of the ride is due to small wheels increasing the effect of surface defects and that the lowest suspension setting being for a super soft ride. Turn it up a couple notches and the handling tightens up a lot.
Excellent overview and videography! A big thumbs up from Vancouver Canada eh! I ride a 2003 Kawasaki Vulcan Classic 1500 Cruiser, but secretly love the Burgman 650 Executive Scooter! In my older years, ha - I will ease into the Bergman for stability and handling! Lol! Well done and thank you! Cheers, Lamplighter 2019 out! 😎👍
I Posted on here wayyy Back in time about this Scoot, with now being 2020, and although I have a Triumph Triple 675, ( Beauty ) I still have My 2004 Burgman 650, from New, I can honestly say The Burgman 650 is the Bike of choice !! with Everything The Missenden Flyer says, Is true about these Machines, This has been the BEST I`ve ever bought !!
Changed oil in my 2015 Executive Burgman 650 today, it's a challenge but love everything about this maxi scooter
Bravo. Video and analysis is spot on. This is first video i watched and it seems like a good channel
Thumbs up
Can't really ask for more in a review..great job..from the USA
Pretty much how I feel about my Burgman. One thing you missed, the power button is good for engine braking. I use it all the time coming to a stop sign. Also in the twistys.. that power button is really great and braking is minimal due to engine braking.
Been looking forward to this video
My good friend is on his second one. Loves them, as you say they'll pop to the shops or tour to Spain no problem all. Trust me I've followed him, they don't hang around!!!!
Great review
Bravo to your daughter for starring ;) in the vid. Can we have her on more often to review the back seat? ;) My riding buddy started off with the Yamaha family of X-Max scooters (went through 125, 250, 400) and he's now a happy owner of the T-Max 530. Sacrificed a bit of luggage space for a faster ride. He's been supper happy with all of them and toured on them a lot (even the 125). I always envy the amount of storage he has at hand. Underseat to lock the lid when going sightseeing, small bins in front for highway cards, rain gear, spare gloves etc. He's always ready first and needs to wait while I finish faffing about with my top box and jacket pockets. Also the wind protection on these things is really great for long highway stints, there's plenty of room to sit in a couple of positions and the rain is not a problem. Also a lot less bugs on your lid and jacket. Not to mention the thing is stupid easy to ride, the low centre of gravity is like magic, it just stays upright on its own, full lock turns are child's play.
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Cool review man, got to get me one of them Burgmans
Very very nice review (I also watched the first impression and top 5 videos). I’m in the market for buying a maxi scooter and these kind of videos really help, especially yours. Although two weeks is not really long term in my opinion, it gives a much better overview than those first impression reviews (often when a new version is introduced). Thanks and keep it up!
Cheers Sander will do....(PS I'm thinking of changing my titles from "long term" to "in depth" reviews).....
Loved the review so much, I bought my own. Picked up a used 2016 executive model and love it. So much fun! Thanks for the great review.
Glad to be of service!
This burgman scooter is damn good and reliable. strong like damn.
A fine review, thanks much.
This has got to be the very best review I have seen on you tube for any scooter or motor bike. Look forward to next review. Excellent 👍
Wow, thanks!
Superb review, mate! Major kudos! Having the pillion's point of view is huge! Also, you covered pretty much all the things a prospective buyer would need to know in order to make an informed decision. I hope this format carries over to future reviews. Outstanding job, Sir!
....yeah it's a format I tend to use with all bikes I get loaned for a few weeks - not so easy if it's just an hours ride on a borrowed bike form a dealer though....
That makes perfect sense. Thanks for the reply!
I'd like to establish my bike/scooter owning credentials before providing my thoughts on the Burgman. In the last 10 years I have owned a Yamaha XV1100, a Piaggio MP3 400 both sold and I now have a Kawasaki Voyager 1700 and a Suzuki Burgman 650 Executive. I bought the Voyager while I was still working and my daily commute was 200kms. In the 2 years prior to retirement I racked up close to 70,000kms and since retiring 5 years ago I have added close to 20,000 more. You would be right in assuming the Voyager is my main bike. I keep the Suzuki at my holiday place and in the time I have owned it I mainly use it for short runs to the shop or around town although I have take some longer distance trips on it. The Burgman is an excellent scooter at home on the city streets zipping in and out of traffic and lane splitting (if that is legal where you live the fold in mirrors are welcome). It will hold its own at 110km/h the national speed limit in Australia although I once took it on a back road and ran it up t o168km/h before I decided I was out of my skill and comfort zones. The CVT means twist and go and it pulls away at the lights quickly so the lane splitting is a good idea. I find full auto mode is best but there is a manual mode if that's what you want. There is also a power button for extra revs when in auto mode for over taking. I have never used either of these features as I find the bike does what I need when I need it without more fiddling so I can enjoy the ride. The ABS brakes with 2 discs up front and one on the rear bring the machine to a quick stop. The parking brake provide a bit of extra security when the bike is on the side stand. There is plenty of information provided to the rider via gauges, read outs and warning lights and a good throaty sound form the pipe. At 638ccs it is a big engine by scooter standards but not when compared to big bore cruisers nevertheless it is meant as a touring scooter. This is where the electrically adjustable windscreen is a bonus - it provides excellent wind protection at high speed taking pressure off the chest, arms and shoulders but can be lowered while riding for more airflow once you enter low speed areas. The on board storage both in the dash and under the seat is good for carrying a few groceries or two full face helmets plus phones and other stuff in the dash compartments. I would recommend if you budget allows that you remove the pillion back rest and add a top box - this will give you a small suitcase size removable box and still give the pillion a back rest. My one accessory that I have not fitted but suggest you do if you plan to do a lot of open road riding is a throttle lock or breakaway cruise control. The riding position is comfortable but the grips are hard and holding the throttle open to keep a constant speed is tiring in the right hand. A machine that is fun to ride as easily at home on the city street as the open road.
It seems to me the only downsize to a Maxi Scooter is crash guards. I may be wrong. But, a ordinary tip over, then lots of expensive plastic repair. The reason I went with the Honda CTX 700 DCT. By far the easiest bike to ride in all my decades of riding. We men, at least this man of a certain age is through with mammoth motorcycles.
Great video review. Can't believe how fast you where going in the rain.
I've been considering a Burgman for some time and really appreciated your reviews... Very detailed information, Cheers!
My pleasure!
Great review...love to see a review of the Burgman 400...its a bike Im thinking of buying. Most of the reviews are from Asia and not in English. Again, a great job on the review...
I would love to see a review of the Burgman 400, too! Especially if TMF does a comparison to the Burgman 650. Hopefully we will get it! (Fingers crossed) =)
I can tell you my 2013 Suzuki Burgman is as wonderful as ALL my former bikes! I absolutely love it!
I borrowed a Burgman 400 while my V-Strom 1000 was being serviced. It was great, although I am 6 ft (183cm) tall and it feels a little cramped to me. It is also a little harsh over the UK’s potholed roads 😖 The 400cc was surprisingly quick! And during my time on the bike, it returned 77mpg 😮
i have a 400 and quite like it. the 650 no doubt has more balls. the 400 is not so bulky. it handles like a 150 but has more muscle. i'm not so sure i want a 650 because of my age and slight build. if your ok with speeds up to 70 mph. the 400 is the better deal. above that and i would get big burg.
Thank you for a very fair, balanced and comprehensive review, TMF.
The Big Burger has moved on a lot since I owned one of the first UK ones, but it's always been a mile-shrinker and has always had bundles of comfortable get-up-and-go.
The 'crashy suspension' can be adjusted for preload and I wonder if yours was simply set too low. Certainly, mine used to handle securely on fast sweepers - two-up, too - and never caught me out.
Being very tall, I installed a Givi screen and never had reason to complain again. I dare say that you could do this to the electric screen too?
Pity you didn't show the cargo hold in all its glory. It is absolutely massive and for some folk it would be the ultimate selling point, I'm sure. No Real World motorcycle comes anywhere near to the BB's load-carrying ability straight out-of-the-box.
I'm currently looking to swap one of my bikes. I took a long hard look at a VStrom 1000 and a KTM 1090 yesterday but I was seriously attracted to a new BB as it stood menacingly, gazing down on the surrounding commoners. If I can make a bit more room in my garage alongside Herman (my old R100GS PD) then who knows?
Great review, TMF. Thanks mate!
Safe roads 👍
Thanks for watching and for stopping by! All the best - TMF
Thank you for the insightful review. I really like the Burgman. I'll have to look into buying one.
What a wonderful review. So many reviews are little more than a video advertisement the manufacturer could have done. This one has rain riding, night riding, city riding, country riding, a passengers' opinion, and so much more. Makes me want a Bergman even more!
Glad it was of use!
love the suzuki bergman executive awsome machines gonna get me a white one
I owned one of these from 2007-2014 when I sold it to move to Germany. I wish I had left it in a storage unit because I'm going back home now and still miss it.
Of your negatives, the only one that actually makes sense is the lack of cruise control. There had been many times I wish Suzuki had added that. As for it being too car like, you mean with the extremely readable dash? Or the fantastic headlights? Or maybe the side fuel door that prevents you from overfilling the tank, but stores the fuel at the bottom just above the drivetrain, like a car? Adding to the fantastic low C.O.G? Yeah I would take those over a top heavy motorcycle, or being in a cage stuck in traffic.
The idea that they are expensive, and instead you could buy a cheap car.... almost none of us buy two wheeled machines because they are cheaper than cars. I just spent $24k on a 2020 BMW. Instead I almost bought a $30k Harley. Bike prices, especially ones that can perform on the highway like the Burgman 650 are crazy expensive these days.
As for the suspension and slinging it through the winding roads, maybe you didn't have the preload set right. Roads in California and Idaho are not the best in the world. In fact I would say they are quite a mess most of the time. Idaho because of the weather, and California because .... well just because ;) With the preload set, I've never once come close to bottoming out of getting a wallow from a poor suspension. In fact quite the opposite. The only bike I've ever owned that even came close to both the ability AND the comfort doing it was the BMW R1200R. They both corner like a dream and can flick back in the other direction almost like there is some kind of psychic connection rather than any input I had in the bars. They are amazing.
As for the large wheelbase, it is almost identical to the Harley Road King. Which is part of what gives it the stability it has. And yet it can out corner and out accelerate a Road King, albeit while not looking as cool. It can take most other bikes out on the road, and in the traffic, stop light to stop light, perhaps the only cars that might be able to keep up are million dollar supercars. Top speed by the way is 135 miles per hour. And that's only because Suzuki chose to govern it electronically at 135. If you have a friend at Suzuki somewhere... well ;)
Unless I was really getting on it, normally my fuel mileage was around 60-65 mpg combined. The best I ever got on it was 72 mpg while on a ride from California to Idaho through the desert back roads of Nevada where I was keeping around the speed limit. So Highway mileage may vary ;).
As for tour riding, one of your plusses, There really is a crazy amount of space on them. Something most people don't know that maybe should have been suggested, the backrest is removable and replaceable with a top box from several companies. I chose a Givi, but one that was color matched and more of a square profile (as much as Givi seems to be able to do) that didnt look like a hovering UFO. So if you're two up touring, which it is amazing at, and you swap out the backrest for a top box, they are fantastic. They are touring clubs all over the US that cross country ride the Burgmans, both the 650 as well as the 400's. The only time I ever got uncomfortable on it, was after 13 hours in the saddle. The shape of the seat and the firmness of the foam used started making my butt and lower back numb. Thank you Corbin seats for never letting that happen again.
Oh, the first thing you mentioned as a negative, was the fiddly buttons on the right side, while working the throttle. There are no buttons on the right side to fiddle with while riding except the windscreen height. The top red button is the on/off button for the bike. Underneath is the start button. I assume if your riding, you already have it running. Then there is the windscreen button. Everything else is on the left where it should be. I also agree with you that with the amount of buttons over on the left, some kind of backlighting would be nice to have, but in a very short amount of time, you get to know where everything is. Besides in most cases, once it's on, the only thing you might mess with is the high beam switch, or the turn signals. Everything else is pretty much play time. Whether or not you want to shift manually and the up-down buttons. Or the power/default button which only changes the shift points on the transmission. Which allows it to accelerate even faster, like that was necessary. lol. And then the horn button, which hangs off the bottom like most bikes these days.
I don't know. I have always had a really hard time finding any faults to the Burgs. They are just amazing bikes for what they are. Technically a long distance commuter scooter with crazy easy controls, especially for those that have issues with clutches and shifting. And yeah, those folks still exist out there, which was the reason I bought the thing in the first place back in 2007 (an ex-wife had the problem, not me. I've been pulling clutches for almost 50 years now).
Just a little side note here, you want to drive a sport bike rider in the 600cc class crazy? Pull up behind them in the fast lane. When they accelerate to get away from you, roll on the throttle a little more. Keep doing it until you hit that governor, or go visit your "friend in the service department" at Suzuki and take it up to 150. Shhhhh I didn't say that out loud.....
Thanks for that lot Bob - interesting reading!
Great review, thank you. As always informative, entertaining, and presented in the usual very professional and measured manner. Great stuff sir.
Thank you - glad you think so!
What a great comprehensive review. I happen to watch one on this motorcycle yesterday though I only made it part way through because it was so bad you did a fantastic job.
Thanks Donald - what about my review made it better than the other one you watched? Curious to know by way of market research!
@@TheMissendenFlyer the one I watched earlier had first, a lot of Christian stuff that did not apply do the motorcycle at all or whatsoever. Secondly the writer of the Bergman had no idea how to operate the equipment or understand what the scooter was actually built for, therefore no knowledge of how it should perform or how it could perform. You obviously knew all of that
fantastic review, if this bike had a cruise control, I would have bought one.
Feeling of being pulled forward with increased windscreen height: Bernoulli principle.
Thanks for the review. Excellent!
Nice test. My friend from school just rode this same scoot 2200 miles to vacation at relatives. Said he set cruise (cheap aftermarket) at 75, no problem...
Looks like it would be a good second hand buy for the right price 👍🏻
I now ask myself “What are motorbikes for then? “
I think you really enjoyed your time with the bergman,someone has really put alot of thought into the design,shame about the switches gear at night,surpised they missed that,as usual great honest review,cigar charger??? Hahahahaha
Hi Ponty Pete here! fantastic bike! (scooter if you prefere) 650cc fast low down, great balance due to low engine mounting! electric Windscreen, electric mirrors for cutting through traffic,
two Heated seats, Heated hand grips, loads of space under seat for helmets flask and sandwiches, clothes! boy racers will not loose you on the roads and when you pass quiet a few they will be really pied off, you may have to put up with the snobby high riding BMW( lol) as they dont wave at you but i always give them the victory sign first!!! All in all a fast comfortable ride and not bad looking too! (get )one! plus 50 to the gallon, 200 mile range!
Great review TMF
I’ve owned 3 x Burgman 650’s and 3 x Burgman 400’s, your review was pretty accurate.
I agree that the bike needs cruise control.
The service intervals are too short.
If Suzuki revised the bike with 8000 mile service intervals and cruise control I would have Burgman no. 7 !
cn 250 No, I just change my bikes a lot.
I’ve had every kind of bike from Trailbikes & Cruisers to Sportsbikes but I always return to Maxi-Scooters!
It does need updating; needs to properly rival the TMax DX; which has Cruise & riding modes etc.
That's not really a fair comparison, is it?
I am not sure about the prices in Europe, but here in Japan the Suzuki is 1 million Yen and the Yamaha is 1.4 million Yen.
The Suzuki is, and is only meant to be, a scooter, whereas the Yamaha is also meant to be like a medium sized sports touring bike.
I think the price difference makes a direct comparison of the two bikes less valid.
At this moment I am torn between the two you mentioned for my next bike, moving from the superb 2013 V-Strom 650 ABS.
More money but for something that will also thrill me a bit, or less money for something that will take me and my wife in complete comfort on days out and short touring breaks over a few days.
staninjapan07 What about the Kymco AK 550; cheaper than the T-Max & longer service intervals... Just an idea?! Plus it’s belt drive (like the T-Max) 👍🏻
staninjapan07 The Burgman 650 is £9199 GPB, the T-Max is £9999 GBP
After 11 years and 76,000 kilometers, my Burgman Executive is still my favorite motorcycle. Great in town, you never have to get back to first gear at every stop. Lots on integrated secure storage. Good weather protection included. Smooth power delivery. Comfortable on the highway. Very user friendly. My friends and I always got burned by our bikes when I first got into riding (hot engine parts and exhaust). You would have to try really hard to burn yourself on a Burgman. I don't like the digital speedo on mine. It is the only bike I have seen with a gear drive to the rear wheel. It is hard to push, since you can't take it out of gear. It is easy to push when it is running, but since you can't take it out of gear it is not safe to push while running. I have three other bikes; SR185, CX650E, and an XV1100.
Just watched and love the review, was in doubt but you covered everything very well, cheers.
Thanks for watching and for stopping by! All the best - TMF
I have just done my cbt. Got a vision 110. The idea was it’s all I want. Work to and throw, cheap as chips to run and I love it.
I watch all your videos as I think yours are one of the best.
Now I’ve had my bike 2 weeks I already want to get my test done and I’m torn about what bike I want.
I wish there was not so many choices it make it hard to decide what bike and riding style suits me.
I think I’ll end up with the garage full the way I’m deciding. Anyway rant over.
Just want to say keep up the amazing work and stay safe..
Thanks and best of luck with your test!
Nice review but you didn’t show under seat storage and right hand switch gear on the move? Start /kill switch/hazards and screen...so screen is the only one used when moving....small point I know.
Also petrol cap it’s easy when you line up the arrows...even with gloves on !
Another great review TMF. Thank you. You covered just about everything as usual. I couldn’t get one of these because I reckon I’d be on it all the time and my other bikes would never see the light of day. Well done to your daughter as well. She came across very well.
Cheers - she will be pleased!
You've got that right. I have 3 scooters and 4 bikes. The scooters get ridden the most.
What a good looking machine, envy you owning this , used to ride bikes in my younger days , shame they weren't around then , keep up good work,enjoy watching touring videos .👏😁🏴
I appreciate your hard work on this video. 👏🏽
Thank you!
"Despite what I tell the Mrs." LOL
Good review as always, at one time a motor bike was a poor man's mode of transport......it's a shame they are becoming an expensive fashion accessory these days......
Agreed!
The problem is the market in each country, I'll give you my example: I live in Mexico, right in the border with the US, in Mexico most of the bikes you see are 100 to 200 c.c, and are owned by working people, and those bikes are around 600 dllrs US, if you see a bike bigger than 300 c.c is a BIG bike and in the US that's the entry level bikes or even considered for women, so I think the problem is what the society dictates in each market.
Maxi scooters and the cheap 50cc scooters are like night vs day. Yes the maxi costs more. But it is nothing like the little 50cc. They have far more power, range, and load capacity. Fuel injection, better suspension, and tires. Electrical extras like heated grips, seats and powered windscreens. Trip computers, anti-lock brakes, traction control, and much stronger cvt transmissions. Not to mention more materials. Maxi scooter prices will come down some, if more people would give them a try. Like cell phones, an increased market will bring economies of scale along with more competition for sales.
Then there are distributors, like if you want something special, like Ural, Guzzi, Enfield, KYMCO or even Piaggio, you have to travel because dealers are few and far between
in Canada, outside major cities, or go UJM again, if you buy local. I'm waiting to see if Yamaha's 3CT gets here. So far it only has a 300cc engine, but like Juan said, 300 is considered big in his market, though one YTer here tours the world on Honda Cubs or their clones because he enjoys the views and he says, parts are everywhere. Yet the 3CT is over the bar for travelling on a 400 series highway {250cc-but why would you, no scenery and a danger of highway hypnosis-go scenic and enjoy the picnic stops}. The 3CT will give Piaggio a run for its money, if only for the fact of dealer access and looks like a clone of Kwang Yang Motor Company's CV3, except ATM, it is not known if KYMCO is going to use the engine developed for the AK550 scooter.
Thank you for the review. I'm getting one in two or three months.
You lucky thing!
Fantastic review as always
Nice to see one of your family members on here, being a part of the video ! If you didn't know, the top speed on the the Burgman is 120mph !
Ha ha! Maybe downhill with a strong tail wind! Speedo needs to read 110 to be doing an actual 100 mph
Thomas Evers I think it’s less?
No, it does 120 according to my Garmin GPS. Level ground, no wind, two up and not straining. It just hits the electronic governer.
Greg Pecaut
It might do 120 if you throw it out of a plane.
109mph with Sat Nav GPS on flat road and no wind. Tried it many times and that was the best I could get.
Good long term test. 👍
Perhaps the benefit of it being like a car in design, etc, is to attract car drivers and give them additional benefits of easy parking, filtering, fuel consumption, protection, etc.
Mentioned the fuel consumption but think the fuel range was missed. Also, covering any touring luggage accessories available, e.g. panniers, top box would be handy. Would panniers cover the petrol cap?
I agree with Michael - if you look at the Burgman as “half a car” then it makes much more sense if you are coming from the “car side” of the divide than the “bike side”. This is a much less intimidating step into the world of bikes for a car driver than say the z900.
If you live in or around a big city and are regularly stuck in traffic on your commute - this is a much better option if you decide to swap to 2 wheels:
- Integrated, invisible lockable storage
- Great weather protection
- No gears or clutch to distract you so you can concentrate on bike control, other traffic and directions (this alone probably halves your chance of an accident as a newbie)
- low centre of gravity and foldable mirrors makes filtering less scary, which if that was your motivation in the first place (avoid traffic) makes huge sense.
Car > Burgman > z900 makes more sense than z900 > Burgman > Car
Panniers, at least the rack to mount them too, has become near impossible to find in the US. The Givi racks for the Burgman, C650gt, or SilverWing have become difficult to find.
Fantastic and thorough review. Well done!
Thank you William
This is still the best and most detailed review of the Burgie 650. The only thing it's missing is some build in crash bumpers, similar to what the Pan Pacific has. The backrest is not needed, put some box there. Even a small one will do a better job as that back rest.
Oh, and btw: The small second hand car would not be half as much fun ...
Price seems reasonable to me. I have a Harley Freewheeler that was $30K out the door.
Thanks for the review.
It was interesting to see a bike I am considering being reviewed in the UK, not only because I am from there, but because living in Japan where road speeds are 1/3 lower, I can hear how the bike handles at speeds I would do here on a quiet road with few police cars - the motorway limit here is 100kph (62 mph) on limited stretches and 80 kph (50 mph) generally.
You mentioned Suzuki's official MPG figure, but did not confirm it by measuring it properly when filling up. That would have been helpful.
You said the bike had a stack of storage, but details of top-box and side cases - if you can fit them and what is available - would have been good. After all, no-one tours without them on any kind of 2-wheeler, do they?
It would have been good to see how easily you can filter through traffic, rather than seeing how easily you can ride on a quiet town road. Of course each rider must decide whether he/she can filter at any given moment, and it's not to be expected of a 650 scoot' as it is of a 150.
A great review over all.
Very useful, thanks.
FYI: I have Givi saddle bags, 22 liters each, and top case of 47 liters. You can also add a tunnel bag up to 20 to 25 liters and top the top case with a luggage rack adding a 30 liter case on top. This gives me about 20 liters of storage for tours and my wife over 180 liters. In all seriousness, for touring I have about 205 liters of enclosed hardshell storage, it can spoil you quite easily. In practice we leave much storage available so we can place our helmets, leathers all in secure storage while we explore on foot.
Great review. I did own a 2006 Honda Silverwing back in 2019, and absolutely loved it. Great commuter bike and was able to ride to work in the rain and did not need to wear rain pants, even with the spray from the highway. I got rid of it after that season as I couldn’t shake the stigma of a scooter. Scooters are not popular here in Ottawa, Canada. I regret that decision and am looking to get another maxi scooter. I am leaning towards the Suzuki Bergman because of the bigger engine and larger wheels/brakes.
Cool!
The best review which I saw on the RUclips 👍🎶
Very comprehensive review. I wish the magazine ones were this good!
I recently tried this model and I got pretty much the same conclusions as you did. My only "but" with the bike was the seating position. The feet forward arrangement takes some time getting used to, specially coming from regular bikes, as it's more difficult to unload weight via the feet and everything falls on the back. Which by the way requires a pretty accurate adjustment of the back support. Also, my wife being petite at 1.56 m, was not not that comfy on the back as the seat is 50cms wide and "felt like being in a gynecologist chair". Too bad, because it fits the bill in every other front. Particularly in terms of providing engine brake, essential in mountain touring. No other scooter can do that. Otherwise one is being left with only brakes going downhill, not very reassuring.
Yes good point, hadn't thought of that - thanks for watching and for the kind words!
hold it in gear when playing chase up & down the hairpins
Brilliant review!! Covered everything. Cheers.
Love all your videos dude 👌
One of the better reviews I've seen! Thanks
Thank you for watching!
What a wonderful review, I have had three of the 650 Burgman's and think they are a fantastic machine. I regularly took mine down to Andorra and the Pyrenees in France . I was the only guy out of 15 motorcycles that had the scooter (if you can call it one ) and was alway's up front with the best of them. I am 70 now and thinking of getting another.
I'm sold.
get a good low mileage used one - they are out there! (insert smug git face emoji here..)
Expat Biker Just don’t be taller than 5’11” - 6’0”... otherwise you will be very dissatisfied with the rider comfort, believe me... I had one... and it is long gone.
@@Bikerbug2020
Yeah, because a crotch rocket is so comfortable. C'mon, I've ridden a goldwing and this is as close, if not on par with comfort. I'm 6'1. However, it is your opinion and I'm obliged to respect it.
Cheers mate
@Expat Biker .....well consider buying your basic motorcycle, then one day you want to turn it into a bagger/dresser {is Vetter still in business? They had some sweet hardware.} how much today to do that? Scooters already have the fairings there and the storage in the price.
Wow, I love it. I've never heard of these until today (February 2024) and I absolutely love it. It has so many features that a car has like heated seats, and grips, so I'm sold. Just need to find one that I can afford.
Now that is what a full review should be..Super awesome..
Thanks...
Good review but can you include the bike vs the competition eg the TMax?
Isn't the competition for the Tmax more likely to be the Kymco AK550?
Both are sporty scooters that mimic medium sized sports bikes just a little.
I think the Suzuki is merely a very comfy scooter, having borrowed one - and I am thinking of getting one.
The 4 competing big maxi scooters are
1; BMW C650gt. 650cv
2; Suzuki Burgman 650cc
3; Honda SilverWing 600cc
4; KYMCO MyRoad 700cv
In the US, the Honda and the KYMCO are no longer imported, so you will have to find NOS or used.
Looks are subjective, of course, but I think it looks gorgeous!
Fantastic review. Thank you. Told me exactly what I needed to know and going to put a deposit on one tomorrow 👍🏽
Excellent!
Excellent review. You’re a natural. I’m a biker of over 40y riding experience but never owned a twist & go of any kind. I’m considering buying one for use at out holiday place in France. I’d connect it to an Optimate or similar. I’ll grab a test ride soon. Thanks!
Oh, and a note on the under seat storage. You can fit 2 large pizzas under the seat :D
roscocsa Sold!
Our MVP telling us the most important facts.👌👍😎
OR A CASE OF YOUR FINEST CANNED DRINK!
@David Marks I have one of these on the top as well. amzn.to/2Zf4dUl I think you could pretty handily fit the two pizzas, garlic bread, and 24 12oz cans. Probably more as well honestly. I grocery shop on mine routinely.
It might be as expensive as a used car but you can't filter in a car and its still 1/2 the price of BMW GS you own :D
and its free parking in most towns and city's
Most used cars you can get for 10k are going to be poor quality too
@@BigSam63 ...Like General Motors.......arghhhh! I don't wanna talk about it.
Thank you for this great motorcycle test. In Germany you don't find anyone who would do this job as you did. Great job👍
Thank you Claus - appreciate the Kind words
Around town and one up I think that it's a bit lower geared for me which means that I feel it at lower revs in a higher gear than I would expect to ride at. This can be overcome by putting the bike into manual mode and changing gear with finger and thumb but its not too uncomfortable to just let it ride in a higher gear. That certainly makes it more economical as well as I got 70 m.p.gallon at reasonable speeds out of town. 60 to 65 around town. The gearing is not a problem two up for touring or on main roads. It balances itself out nicely except the smaller wheels do not take to the potholes or other rough surfaces. Its got a top speed reputedly of 110 mph and in POWER mode it will do 0 to 60 mph in less than 4 seconds. not a lot can keep up with it. It's totally responsive and can keep up and surprise many a motorcycling mate. Have had mine for nearly 3 years and got it due to arthritic legs letting me down [ result of an RTA on a motorbike 30 years ago ] Last say.... it's a great bike worthy of consideration. It holds its price well in the market place and it's a wolf in sheeps clothing. One to just enjoy.
Never saw anyone "dry" a bike before with a gadget! Funny.
I can tell you does a easy 100 mph 😉 you needed a track section to finish this review off...
...just got to get myself a track installed!
I’ve done 115 mph on mine
Too funny.
A track section.
@@0mega619 ABSO! Mine easily did 115MPH and gets there quick too!
Mine topped at 120mph, but felt that if the Rev limiter were over ridden, it could do more.
Interesting bike for when manual gear shifting eventually becomes a problem in the future.
Nice review as always.
Great review. All these big bore scooters are so popular here in Asia. Thinking of getting one myself for the commute, would make much more sense than my Ducati plus all that storage is amazing.