Dostie’s View #22 | New Telemark Boot Features? Here’s What I Think...

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  • @tayman811
    @tayman811 3 года назад +8

    An F1 or F1 LT with bellows and tech fittings is what I'm waiting for

  • @bodecattledog7353
    @bodecattledog7353 3 года назад +9

    I’d buy a NTN T2 backcountry touring specific boot

  • @trouthunter4250
    @trouthunter4250 3 года назад +3

    Dostie, I’ve always just skied, never been one to know many of the gear details. I love your explanations.

  • @touge242
    @touge242 3 года назад +4

    a TX pro that actually hikes is exactly what I want. A perfect mix of long range touring and resort power

  • @skipowderin8196
    @skipowderin8196 3 года назад +3

    Another vote for a T2/TX class boot...an updated NTN (TTN?) F1 w/ bellows? A telemark equivalent to the current F1 is what I want, a touring boot that pairs with lynx/medjo/tts and touring skis. All you who demand updated TX Pros and Comps can take a lap...Once a T2/TX class boot like this comes out TX Pros would likely get increased ROM and some weight reduction anyways. I'm not interested in the ability to lock down my heel either, so who cares about a tech heel insert.
    TX Pro = Maestrale; T2/TX = F1
    Looking forward to it.

  • @philhammer7695
    @philhammer7695 3 года назад +3

    I understand that the expense of new molds is the primary issue when balanced against small numbers of projected sales. However....... I've telemarked/toured on old F1s for 10 years (TTS and then bolt-on-duck-butt for NTNs). Not perfect but damn good. From my uneducated perspective, it seems like a very low-cost development approach for a touring-oriented tele boot is to use the old F1 molds. Tweak the plastic for improved flex. Perhaps change the cuff closure to something more general-skier-friendly. Add a bolt-on duckbutt (Garmont/Scott had one, and it is working in the 3-D printing garage-mod world right now). None of those changes involve extra mold cost. Voila - a

  • @jamieesler6762
    @jamieesler6762 2 года назад

    Thanks for the great run down, Dostie. I just got my first pair of NTN bindings and am waiting on my boot purchase with fingers crossed that Scarpa releases a Tx/T2 style boot with NTN. It would sure beat the pain the neck I currently have from scouring the internet to try and find a pair of old Tx's in my size! Consider this my vote for a new Tx/T2 style NTN boot.

  • @jgurtz
    @jgurtz 3 года назад +5

    I use Excursions on my lighter weight setup and would love to replace with an NTN 2-pin T4 or similar to replace, pairing with the Voile TTS or Meidjo (depending on the cash situation). Editing to add a second thought: would be pretty cool if they come out with a nordic boot for the new Rottefella Xplore system.

    • @FreeheelLife
      @FreeheelLife  3 года назад +1

      As mentioned elsewhere, love to see a T3/T4/Excursion sized NTN boot with inserts. It would probably compete with Rottefella's Xplore system. A lower cost TTN binding would be needed to justify making this size boot.

    • @jgurtz
      @jgurtz 3 года назад

      @@FreeheelLife Yea that cost thing is a thing. There's no doubt the quality, but $550 smackers for a binding is pretty amazing

  • @flippandavec7324
    @flippandavec7324 3 года назад +4

    I would love to see a t2 ntn type boot

  • @kayakutah
    @kayakutah 3 года назад +3

    It would be nice, but honestly, there's probably not a lot of profit in Telemark research and development. The Tx was a good boot, they had all of the molds and parts, so no development was required and they still discontinued it. Very odd! I saw a similar issue with white water kayaking in the 1990's. A "frugal" group of athletes in a bit of an outlier sport just didn't provide opportunities for companies to make money, so innovation suffered.

  • @matthewhoffer5116
    @matthewhoffer5116 3 года назад +2

    I’d like to see TX Comps with tech inserts, since they don’t have any. I’d also like to see a cable system like what they used on the Mistralis developed so I can fiddle with less buckles, as I often want the boots so tight for downhill they cut the circulation off. Right now having TX Comps for the resort and TX Pros for hiking works well for me. Dotsie like crazy soft boots and seems to spend most of his days earning his turns. Though admirable this is not the majority of the market. Most people ride 90+% resort, so that’s where the money is, and those are the products they develop. I could never tele the way I do if I modified my boots like Dotsie. I need to push on my tails too much. But I probably ski more aggressively and focus more on the descent then some who hike for their turns. As such I identify as a slack country skier. I’m just glad we have tech tele bindings now so I can kind of keep up with my AT friends. We’re addicted to an obscure sport that has outlive it’s purpose and evolved into something it never thought it would be- ‘backcountry skis that are no longer great for backcountry’.

    • @VQ30TLJ
      @VQ30TLJ 3 года назад

      Coming from XC skate boots, TX Pros in walk mode with loose buckles feel crazy stiff to me...it's all what you're used to. I am learning tele and it's easier for me with more freedom in the boot.

    • @FreeheelLife
      @FreeheelLife  3 года назад

      I'd love to see a TX-Comp with inserts. Not for me, but for folks like you. It's overdue.

  • @jasonwooden
    @jasonwooden 3 года назад +1

    +1 for a TTN T2/TX! Give us an F1 with bellows and a duck butt. Love my TX-Pros, if you can only have one pair of boots they are the ones to get. However, for longer slogs (especially approaches involving miles of dirt/mud/gravel), they sadly get left home. Parallel discussion: Wish ski manufacturers would beef-up the binding mounting area in their lightest BC offerings (Voile Hyper V6, looking at you!) so they can hold up to telemark use under warranty. Maybe it's a chicken and the egg thing with the lack of lighter tele boots....idunno.

  • @GEOKID1000
    @GEOKID1000 3 года назад +1

    The TX comp is the boot that offer the control of the T1. Resort skiers sold the td pro with modern ntn bindings are underpowered and underserved. All the best telie skiers in Vermont are on the comp..Scarpa needs a new boot that offers the touring efficiency but isn’t a noodle for the downhill

  • @jsmith5278
    @jsmith5278 3 года назад +1

    Hey Dostie - did they ship Miedjo 2.1 with the ramped duckbutt plate (or whatever its called). I have 2.1s and they have the ramped plate - I can step right in. Curious after watching some of your other videos - they were demos so maybe they were pieced together.

    • @FreeheelLife
      @FreeheelLife  3 года назад +1

      The flat step-in is possible with the standard springbox (with the red shifter bar) in v2.1, but not touted as such. v3 has more defined ramps, thus more reliable and worth promoting.

    • @jsmith5278
      @jsmith5278 3 года назад

      @@FreeheelLife Thanks to FHL and Dostie's reviews on Meidjo. They're fantastic. They've reinvigorated my enthusiasm. Also Luca Gasparini's interview was great - I purchased the journal and looking forward to reading it.

  • @markmckenzie3522
    @markmckenzie3522 3 года назад +1

    You could get the Crispi Shiver, which is like a T2X version of NTN...I have both boots and other than the differences with the liners, they have similar flex and cuff height, although I think the Shiver is a little taller, but not much.

  • @richardotte9680
    @richardotte9680 3 года назад +3

    TX Comps with Tech toe fittings!!

    • @FreeheelLife
      @FreeheelLife  3 года назад

      Amen to that, regardless of what the first model released is.

  • @joeldemont1782
    @joeldemont1782 3 года назад +1

    If they're not going to include the heel tech fitting, than a heel groove would be appreciated. It'd be cool if they just reissued the old F1 and added a normal top buckle and normal walk mode. Size 25 weighs around 1300g each with liner and footbed. I don't think they could make a lighter tele boot if they insist on a ntn sole. Any 3 or 4 buckle boot should probably have the ntn sole tho.

  • @natewilson8714
    @natewilson8714 3 года назад +1

    I want an Excursion/t4 replacement with tech inserts. Give it a good walk mode and make it slightly stiffer in ski mode (but not much stiffer).

  • @allanwood3562
    @allanwood3562 3 года назад +2

    Thanks Dostie, this article was right on the money for me. At the risk of being branded a heretic (you made me ask this) is there such an animal as a cross country touring boot with a two pin system?
    Definitely looking forward to something from Scarpa along the lines you suggest too.

    • @jasonwooden
      @jasonwooden 3 года назад

      See the post above yours, re: Rottefella Xplore system

    • @allanwood3562
      @allanwood3562 3 года назад

      @@jasonwooden thanks mate I will. Cheers

    • @FreeheelLife
      @FreeheelLife  3 года назад +1

      In my dreams this new "line" of boots will spawn a 2-pin version of the T4/T3 and a superlight TTS rig on waxless metal-edged skis for rolling terrain. THAT would be the cat's meow and help drive slowshoes into extinction.

    • @allanwood3562
      @allanwood3562 3 года назад +1

      @@FreeheelLife that's the kind of terrain I mainly ski in my neck of the woods down here in Oz. Cheers mate.

  • @nitroseth
    @nitroseth 2 года назад

    Never skied them, but an NTN and tech toe T3 would be rad. Seems like the right size and weight for anyone touring on moderate stuff. So many people in my area in clapped out T4s and Garmont Excursions looking to upgrade.

  • @elinetherton6727
    @elinetherton6727 3 года назад +3

    75 mil fo life

  • @bc6881
    @bc6881 3 года назад +2

    Dostie, please dig into Crispi and what if any changes they plan on making. I’ll never go back to Scarpa after skiing World Cup EVOs.

    • @FreeheelLife
      @FreeheelLife  3 года назад +1

      I doubt there will be anything other than cosmetic changes to Crispi's line until after Scarpa launches theirs. Based on results Crispi doesn't like being on the bleeding edge of innovation.

  • @grizzkid795
    @grizzkid795 3 года назад +3

    Can't they just make the bellows with Pebex and the rest if the boot with lighter plastc? A lightweight T2, three buckle type boot would be good, but with maybe a removable upper cuff or some way to make them feel more like a leather boot for walking or diagonal striding.

    • @grizzkid795
      @grizzkid795 3 года назад

      Hmm, maybe Crispi already did it with the Shiver. Looks like a good backcountry option, at least for peopke that know how to ski.

    • @grizzkid795
      @grizzkid795 3 года назад

      On closer inspection, the Shiver's are perhaps a bit heavy and lack range if motion for walking, but nice try.

    • @FreeheelLife
      @FreeheelLife  3 года назад

      It's not quite that easy. The entire lower shell has to bend in a smooth radius, not just a bend at the bellows. Maybe there are new materials being considered to make your idea reality. It's worth dreaming.

    • @jaka24993
      @jaka24993 3 года назад +1

      ​@@FreeheelLife People aren't buying an Alien RS expecting the performance of a Maestrale. If you say "I want lightweight and huge ROM, but no sacrifice to the flex of a full pebax boot!" I'd give you one for dreaming big, before I shrug you off. It's not gonna happen, but that's not to say we can't have good lightweight boots. Just need to define a realistic "good". The old F1s ski better than I'd ever expect such a light boot to ski. Not on par with my TXPs, not at all, but no AT boot ski like a resort boot either. And it was made with 15 year old tec and materials, and no though whatsoever towards tele-performance. Based on that I can't understand how it isn't possible to make a decent sub-1500g boot with ROM without reinventing the periodic table.

    • @FreeheelLife
      @FreeheelLife  3 года назад +1

      @@jaka24993 Agree about the compromise between weight and performance. However, in the telemark realm we cannot accept compromise to the sweet flex of a telemark boot as that would affect the very nature of the turn itself.

  • @evelynshoal
    @evelynshoal 3 года назад +2

    I would love to see a Merrill super comp type boot with walkmode and and ntn, and ntn specific crampons

    • @evelynshoal
      @evelynshoal 3 года назад

      Or better yet a skiable no binding interface with magnets or concave and grippy foot surfaces something even freer than freeheel.

    • @FreeheelLife
      @FreeheelLife  3 года назад +1

      We've talked about a SuperComp with an NTN sole. In an age of million dollar molds, it might be cost effective. The NTN connection would surely overcome the lateral limitations of cowhide and restore the sweet flex of leather. Imagine.

  • @y404mog
    @y404mog 3 года назад

    Dostie- On your Tx the Voile strap is under the tongue. Is that how you usually ski? Does that feel better, or what's the deal?

    • @FreeheelLife
      @FreeheelLife  3 года назад

      The instep strap IS under the tongue. I have a very low instep (low volume foot). Routing the strap under the shell tongue helps hold my foot secure. In addition to that I also shortened the cables holding the zipper strap, and, depending on the liner, have been known to pad up the liner over the instep to take up the lack of volume in my foot. YMMV.

  • @kikeacero
    @kikeacero 3 года назад +2

    I dream with an F1 with second heel 1kg weight

  • @jimgreenfield552
    @jimgreenfield552 3 года назад

    Dostie: Where can I find the weights of the original F1 and F3 when they came out in the earlier 70s? Thank You!!

    • @FreeheelLife
      @FreeheelLife  3 года назад +1

      hahaha. F1 came out in 2003, F3 maybe 2005. Weights for historical gear? Google it?

  • @jasonwooden
    @jasonwooden 2 года назад

    Any update on a new lighter-weight Tele Tech boot from Scarpa?
    "Take my money Scarpa!"

  • @calcagnolibero
    @calcagnolibero 3 года назад +2

    Like a T2 but NTN

  • @chriswoods2647
    @chriswoods2647 3 года назад

    What are the different segments of market and what is the effect of a new boot for one segment to the other segments?
    When was the last last new boot introduced and what segment did it address?

    • @gluondufou
      @gluondufou 3 года назад +1

      A 1200g max per boot, boa lacing, ntn with inserts for sure, 80deg range of motion for the walking mode.

  • @freeskicdm
    @freeskicdm 3 года назад +1

    How about Scarpa do something basic, like making NTN in Mondo 31 like they do with 75mm (they go to 32!).
    Big feet guys like me will take a sub optimal duckbutt to boot interface rather than nothing. (this was floated as an excuse)
    If there's a market for 22.5 there's a bigger market for 31. (as verified by several retailers)

    • @FreeheelLife
      @FreeheelLife  3 года назад

      And we agree. Extend the range at the upper and lower end. PLEASE! Lower is important for kids. Upper is important for Dads and basketball players.

  • @bc6881
    @bc6881 3 года назад +1

    Carbon-cuffed 4 buckle boot

  • @evelynshoal
    @evelynshoal 3 года назад

    Let's look to snow surfing technologies and pair up a couple of skinny snowsurfboards***
    *** as this logic begins to parallel archaic proto-ski design/manipulation, it trends toward supporting the theory that skiing evolved from snowboarding and most dualistic tools had a singularistic predecessor.

    • @ArcFixer
      @ArcFixer 3 года назад

      It's a safe bet skiing was first developed for traveling across flat ground. Not surfing mountains for fun. A snowboard would be a sled & you would have to drag it. You would have to have skis on your feet to do it effectively in soft snow. I'm fairly confident sleds came before skis. You can drag them on hard snow or ground without skis. But sleds are not skis. The earliest archaeological evidence of skiing comes from Russia, and dates to 6,000 BC. That's 8,000 years ago. And it wasn't found in the mountains.
      A while back I went skiing at Solitude on a big powder day with a friend on a snowboard. He was always trying to convince me of the superiority of snowboarding. I was on Tele gear. He did OK on the pitches going downhill. But 3 or 4 times the exit was flat and long. The snow was too deep for him to walk. I had to drag him out like meat on a sled. He was embarrassed and switched to Telemark gear.
      Apparently you're a Sesquipedalian as well as a snowboarder. For your theory to make sense you would have to convince folks that a ski is the same thing as a sled. Good luck.
      BTW, what's up with the asterisks? Did you forget to post some footnotes?

  • @johns3106
    @johns3106 3 года назад

    For years I've been wondering...the tele community has always been a little proud of its "less is more" attitude...when will we all decide that the boots are "good enough" and stop the constant evolution (and obsolescence) of the gear. I've been through a lot of changes, from leather lace-ups to Supercomps to my current T2's, which allow me to ski as hard as I want. I've never made the switch to NTN, because I don't see the point and I have too much invested in multiple Hammerheads and pairs of T2's. It seems like the way things are going, evolution is going to have us all back to locking down our heels in the near future!

    • @chriswoods2647
      @chriswoods2647 3 года назад

      The problem is that other aspects of the sport have moved forward quite a bit and have innovated to become a lot more enjoyable for the majority of users and, particularly new users. Ski tech is a primary example: there hasn't been a ski made in over a decade that the T2's can push adequately. T2's are simply not stiff enough to match with newer, wider skis, nor are they anywhere near as comfortable uphilling as AT boots. The overall sport has left the niche of telemark behind, which means a shrinking population, which means it's not a viable market for manufacturers, which means new entrants are forced to deal with the additional hurdle of suboptimal equipment...

    • @skipowderin8196
      @skipowderin8196 3 года назад

      ​@@chriswoods2647The majority of backcountry telemark skiers I see have no problem driving current ~100mm touring skis with T2's, old TX's or bellowed F1/F3's. They are softer boots which feel great in natural snow. But I've probably seen more people skiing inbounds on T2's on beefy bindings and metal AM skis where a T1 or TX comp would be appropriate. The thing with backcountry skiing gear (which a lot of telemark stuff was & is) is that consideration needs to be given to the whole setup for it to work.

    • @scottbalsai
      @scottbalsai 3 года назад

      @@chriswoods2647 "... there hasn't been a ski made in over a decade that the T2's can push adequately."--[----Bullocks. I just bought a pair of Voile Ultravector BC's and put the old three pin spring cable with a 20 mm. riser and my old T3's (smaller and lighter than T2's) do just fine both tele and parallel in powder or hard snow.---"Less is more" !

  • @trbinding
    @trbinding 3 года назад

    Tx Pro that doesn't have bellows that collapse and crush your foot, please! Maybe a lightweight BD Push with tech toe and better walk mode?

    • @GEOKID1000
      @GEOKID1000 3 года назад

      The boot is not stiff enough .the tx comp bellows do not collapse

  • @edrickert7807
    @edrickert7807 3 года назад

    Sorry, love the sport and plan on tele turning for many more years, but a video about new boots and all the content is showing 10+ year old boots?!!! This has been our situation for a long time. Kim at Scarpa announced the imminent release of a new telemark boot like 5 years ago now. Just make a Stiffer bellowed boot w tech inserts and a few more degrees of rear cuff mobility. Done!!! We can’t expect much from the industry for a few cheap curmudgeons. Basement mods are the future of telemark. BTW, I love skiing my old gear and my newest gear!