What did you think of this movie? Where do you rank it compared to Fincher's other movies? I think it's definitely below The Zodiac but it was still good! Comment what you thought below!
Brain Pilot! Do you not think that the facial twitch was a foreshadowing of the nerve agent he referred to when talking with the Client? I think that the glass of whiskey he enjoyed with the lady was tainted with the same thing that he threatened the client with. What do you think of this? After all Tilda was "preparing for this day* and requested "my bottle"
@@sotnoscopesinteresting theory but I don't think Tilda Swinton would have had the ability and time to set that up. You don't keep lethal radioactive material on you just in case. It's possible another force did this to him off camera but I think it was more of a nervous tick him attempting to step into his new life. We don't know how it will go for him and it might not take.
It was pretty bland and underwhelming. I'm a huge fan of Fincher and this might be his worst film. Which doesn't mean it's bad. It's well executed, but that's all. There's not much depth or meaning as people are really forcing it to look like. It didn't feel like a Fincher film. At all. It lacks many qualities of his films. It lacks edge too. For a Fincher film, it's mediocre at best.
I really enjoy Fincher and this might grow on me but overall this movie was pretty meh for me. With Fincher you're going to get some beautiful shots and great acting which we do but something was missing from this that left it feeling pretty empty like it's missing something, I'm sure Fincher was going for that as well, I remember in the beginning of the film saying something about how it's very boring, etc. It's hard to care about the main driving point of the plot when the very same people making the movie also don't care about it either lol. This felt a lot more like Fincher playing with the sound in multiple ways, using sounds as a reference as to your POV through the character and the sounds you would hear outside of that when our POV is say outside the car. But his playfulness with the sound like that became a distraction at least for me. I also don't think the movie is quite as basic as others are saying, the movie feels like it has something to say about how the middle class or above middle class are killing each other off and the main billionaire villain at the end who is the ultimate reason why this entire thing took place doesn't get murdered and walks away from the situation without as much as a scratch. It also has a lot to say about consumerism and how things like Doordash etc leave us completely open to unknown dangers etc. It's just difficult to stomach canceling Mindhunter for Mank and The Killer, not a good trade off at all IMO.
@@ML-kx9gz i had the same experience, tho actually in the beginning i thought i was in for a much more fun time. But the movie gets less and less fun as it goes. Not only did i struggle with connecting to the character as he casually kills people but he was so distant, there was nothing to grab on to. Once tilda gets in the movie i felt there was finally some life to the thing but idk, it was just okay for me
I watched it again and realized that he never intended to kill the billionaire- when he purchased the pistol off the “street vendor”, he told him he didn’t need any rounds when offered. I think that move suggests that his line of work and his code was slowly ebbing away. Plus the wave of police attention that would have ensued had he killed the billionaire would’ve been too much for him perhaps. However, If the billionaires”eyes” had suggested that he was lying…he probably would’ve killed him by hand (remember- he fought the brute).
hmm i watch only once, the rounds is subjective , maybe he had some on hand , and yes his status and high profile probably gave him 2nd thoughts to kill him since he already came from retirement , but still stupid ending since he kill the cab driver , lol , easily trust the billionaire words
he still thought about it a bit, because dolores wanted to die in a way that her family would get some of the life insurance, so he killed her in a way that made it look like an accident
@shadow8277 There is no evidence that he did anything, just allegations from 1 person over a decade ago. There was no evidence for any of her allegations, even after the DA investigated it. The Irish Sunday Mail: "Regarding the case on Fassbender, LA county Steve Cooley continued the investigation after Andrews charges were dropped. Two unnamed witnesses were interviewed by victim services of LA county. DA. Cooley concluded, no evidence appeared in statute to require any investigation against the german born-irish actor. The actor gave a ICO.8 statement and no charges were filed."
The Killer is not as complex as Fincher's most popular films - it's pretty straightforward, similar to Panic Room; but it still is an enjoyable ride, mostly because of Fassbender's performance.
I LOVED this movie and Fassbender. The only thing I didn’t like was the fact that Tilda Swinton got too little screen time. I was really expecting something more from her character
This is just David Fincher having fun and flexing. Simple and straightforward. Fantastic film. I love that we’re just following a psychopath traveling around and killing people.
@@glibglob8755 It can be enjoyed as just a thriller but there’s definitely stuff going on underneath. Killer inner monologue says the few exploit the many. Obvious commentary on class struggle. He ends it considering himself as one of the many. His meticulous planning other goes awry. Nailgun scene. Mailman. Botched job at start. Another topic of film. Life unpredictable. Not sure how those themes can be ignored
Great review as always, but PRISONERS is not a David Fincher film. And the Zodiac poster you shown in your review is not Fincher's Zodiac - it's a poster from another zodiac movie. But just small details I point out, all in all, again, another great review.
Came here to say the same. Prisoners is Denis’s film but it does feel a bit like a Fincher film. I’d argue that Sicario, Prisoners, and Enemy are Denis’ holy triumvirate. And incidentally these 3 films are perhaps the best 3-fer by any director. Period.
@@VFRZen My favorite Villeneuve movie is "Incendies" , the one he did just before going to Hollywood. If you didn't see it, you have to, it's one of the most powerful movie I ever saw. And in the middle-east context we have right now, it will knock you out for sure.
This was pretty good, but not near my favorite by him. But damn that fight scene with The Brute was really great and unique looking. He also I believe didn’t kill the last guy, partly due to his saying that the police will always match their efforts to the victims net worth, which was smart and different to include.
The ending itself made the movie. The twitch of his face, while left for interpretation by the viewer, implies that somewhere along his path - likely from The Expert - he ingested a chemical that would lead to his death - caused by facial necrosis. It was so subtle and well done and completely elevated the movie. Great film, but I wish this video picked up on that detail.
This is actually a great theory, she said bring me 'my bottle', her drinks were already poured and the first time she pours from the bottle is when he takes it.
@@cyber_crypto Not when you consider what Tilda Swinton's character said to him, "When you die it won't be your life that flashes before your eyes. It'll be mine." Also she had her special bottle brought to the table but didn't drink from it. Also he very specifically mentioned death by facial necrosis to the billionaire and then the end scene; a fairly close shot of his face and there's a twitch - why?. None of these odd details make sense unless he was poisoned in this way by her. It's very subtly done, but this is Fincher after all.
It’s a masterpiece to me. The methodical unfolding of an obsessive mind whose deep rooted believes are questioned showing his own contradictions while reinforcing some of his quite cynical views about the few ruling the many. To put this creature of habit in this situation, making fun of him and seeing his steps denying every single tenet he has is really enjoyable. Especially because it’s not the usual redemption arc. 😅
I would've liked to see Fassbender play 007. The dude played an MI6 agent in some other movie I can't remember. I think he would be a great at it. Even now in his mid 40s
I loved Fassbenders performance here and camera work. Fassbender speaks only a few lines in the movie yet he speaks so much with his eyes and body language.
To me I feel like the final line implied that he was always one of the many. I guy being controlled by a higher up, almost ending his life due to a small communication error. The story about the bear is anacodal for how he didn't go for the ones who tried to kill him out of neccesity to survive, but pride, trying to compensate for his fuck up.
The whole movie revolves around whether the the central character is the Hunter who comes to the woods to kill or not. The whole opening scene focuses on a highly and prolonged hit job which mysteriously goes wrong. Surely there is ironic reflection here on the part of the director on that ever elusive perfect shot.
The facial twitch was due to him being poisoned. When he cornered the expert in the restaurant, she asked for her special bottle, then never took a drink from it, (she had already received the flight of drinks), so what was that bottle for? He took the bait. Then she told him, on the way to her demise: "When you die, it won't be your life flashing before your eyes, it'll be mine". He very specifically and unnecessarily, mentioned death by facial necrosis to the billionaire and then the final scene a close up of his face - and there's a twitch. None of these details make sense unless she poisoned him. It's subtly done, but it is Fincher after all. It also fits with the general theme: he thinks he's a cool efficient, extremely competent killer, but he's not nearly as good as he thinks he is. "I only shoot when my pulse is below 60" - proceeds to show pulse is 65 He misses the target - this ones a bit less subtle :) He shoots his booking agent in the chest with nails - "Middle aged, non smoker, 180lbs, should have 6 to 7 minutes" - the guy dies in seconds - oops!. In Florida he had the huge advantage of surprise - yet he was the one who got jumped. He drank from the bottle the Expert had brought to the table, the one she didn't drink from. He says don't ask who or why - but can't help himself, sitting down with the Expert instead of just taking her out anonymously - she called him out on that too. Same thing with the billionaire - he breaks his own rules about never asking who or why. Ends up poisoned. Fincher has made a dark comedy, but its so dark and subtle enough, that it seems to have been mostly missed.
Don’t understand why he would kill the taxi driver who accepted a ride to make $ but didn’t kill the man who put the hit hit out that he ended up botching and putting his girl in the hospital 🤣
My interpretation was that there was the greatest risk of being caught given the client’s high profile. Some of the other victims weren’t responsible for what happened and yet they’re killed because he knows it’s easier than letting them live (stick to the plan).
You don't understand because you clearly can't see the obvious pragmatism of the main character. The Taxi driver knows where he lives, his face, his girlfriend. In the main characters view the driver was a loose end and knew too much. About the billionaire, he didn't know much of the details and he didn't know the main character, he was big risk to kill because of his money and status(the main character mentions that). The main character had also been seen on one his cameras which gave it even more risk.
Am I the only one to notice that all his aliases were names of TV show characters? Maybe you have to be as old as me. Sam Malone (Cheers) Felix Unger (The Odd Couple) Archie Bunker (All in the Family) Lou Grant (Mary Tyler Moore) George Jefferson etc etc
He had a level of empathy and conscience in my opinion.He never let any victim suffer except from the lawyer.And in the end he spared the final target.He also cared a lot about his girlfriend and he tried to avoid as possible harming innocents.He wasn't a good person but not 100/100 evil for sure.
I have a hard time reconciling his murder of the young cabbie when he was completely innocent of knowing what his passengers did or their plan. Totally unnecessary kill.
@@unropednope4644 if he didn’t that Taxi driver would inform everyone about his plans.I don’t support that he was a good guy but at least he didn’t cause pain or torture to his enemies and victims even the cab driver didn’t even feel anything
@@kokomanation I think Fischer’s point is that he’s been a successful hitman through his controlled lack of empathy. He kills the taxi driver and Swinton as planned despite empathizing with them. He’s not a cold stoned psycho (heart rate monitor, emotional about his gf, etc,) and yet is trying to emulate one to make his job bearable lol.
Fassbender’s character in The Killer is very reminiscent of Walter White. His outfit, vocal cadence, demeanor and level of mastery over his job are signatures of Walt. The Killer kinda felt like El Camino in terms of its pacing and tempo.
@@chriz9959yes I thought the same, then also was reminded a bit of American Psycho, anyway enjoyed this film a lot. The way it was filmed the acting the twist and especially the music so strange to have one band ( smiths ) playing all the way through the film.
Disappointed. A hitman getting away with murdering his bosses and then retiring from the business is pure fiction. His final mistake was letting Claiborne go. In reality, the killer would be marked for death.
The fight to me with the brute looked like there was some CGI in it some elements seemed unnatural. I enjoyed it though and I will always like Fassbender. Fassbender has his own "literally me" character now.
seamlessly he moved from place to place and having the ability to change names and move about effortlessly was so appealing. 😂 I don’t see many comments about this, but seriously, I was into it. 😮
if someone would kill the billionaire , as the inner monologue says , the more a person has , the more the cops would investigate , and therefore this would be come a high profile case , and that would bring more heat to the killer , this is not gonna be good for a getaway plan
The killer fucks up and goes against his wanky false-bravado inner monologue at almost every turn. He usually only gets out of the fucked up situations he gets himself into through miraculous movie-plot luck (another joke). He wastes all of the high-end low-risk detailing he does on jobs by failing to get the critical essentials right, despite constantly repeating cautions to himself in the form of delusional reassurance. Throughout the movie he fails to recognise, acknowledge and address his own shortcomings, which are so stacked by the end of the movie that it can't be anything other than comedic. Only at the end does he get to a position of potentially admitting that he is not exceptional, but even then it is non-committal and served with obvious insecurity at the thought (nervous eye twitch). The killer gets information regarding that the counter contract that was called on him is no longer a threat to him, but he persists with going after those people, and then when he gets to the client he lets him live in what he expects will be a tortuous paranoia, failing to realise that the man he threatens clearly has no qualms about calling contracts on people, so much so that he doesn't immediately realise who the killer is and why he's there. This immediately puts himself and his girlfriend back in more danger than they otherwise would have been, completely undoing the team-america-style promise he makes his girlfriends brother - "nothing like this will be ever allowed to happen again." This movie is a total joke at the rightful expense of hyper-individualised males who take their individuality as a sign of masculine strength and exceptionalism, rather than the political abasement and victimization that it actually is. Scared men pretending to be brave as usual.
Well...I wish I could agree. I admire this film without actually liking it. Technical stuff and acting were top-notch (of course!), and the screenplay was tight and beautifully structured. I just couldn't connect with it, though. I really didn't care if the killer succeeded, which is troubling. I'm supposed to, right? Genuinely happy for all the people who enjoyed it. For what it's worth, I did watch it twice, just to make sure my initial impression wasn't misplaced. I really wanted to like it. But a second viewing didn't change my mind. For me, at least, _The Killer_ was a first-rate misfire. So to speak. On a tangential note - how did it cost so much? $150 million? Really?! I know company moves are expensive (at least three countries), but still. Small cast, no superstars (Fassbender is a fantastic actor, but I doubt he commands a huge salary), and not much in the way of obvious FX work - although, knowing Fincher, there may be a lot more CGI than was visible. Maybe Fincher himself cost the most. He's certainly worth it.
I really enjoyed this film (not sure if you can use that word any longer ) . I just wished it had been longer / more epic like the comic . I believe the comic is 13 or 14 *volumes* . Its very philosophical and cynical . The tone and elements of the source material are there . But , yeah , just wished it would have been longer . Hopefully Fincher and Fasbender will do a series .
Someone else mentioned that Fassbender's character doesn't blink through the entire film, like any good psychopath/sociopath. And then that little tic at the end.
I was a bit disappointed in the ending. It seemed anti-climactic. I was actually hoping that he wanted to talk to Tilda Sweeney (The Expert) and actually air his issues out with her; perhaps even proposing a new partnership since he had essentially burnt his own bridges. Whether she accepted or not was irrelevant but would have made his approaching her in a public place more sensible. I don't think courtesy was really his intent when he initially approached her. It would have really been interesting if she had agreed to a partnership and both went to take out the client in the end only to have her turn on him in favor of the client. I don't know. The ending just didn't feel deserved.
I thought the killer let Clayborne live because he figured that Clayborne existing in a constant state of fear that any second he could be killed is worse than a quick death from a gunshot.
i dont know how he didnt use a small .22 kaliber semi auto rifle for the hit, as the target was something about 60m away. he could have put 4 bullets into the targets head without reloading in the same time he tried to reloadad and missed a 2nd chance..
I thought it was brilliant …the watermelon line and Tilda’s Haagen Daz line…30 day waiting period on creatine line were hilarious…Fassbender and Fincher as suspected can’t miss combination.
I didn't take his letting the rich guy live because he decided he had no idea that a civilian would be targeted I take him at his word his statement was, the wealthier a person was the more involvement the police become and since apparently this man is very wealthy he would have had many people looking for who murder him maybe even the CIA or FBI depending upon what this man did in the business world.Not worth the risk.
It's similar to his view; "Forbid empathy, empathy is a weakness, weakness is vulnerability". He needed to do it because at that point he couldn't leave any trace behind even if he didn't want to take him out. Plus at that point he "trusted no-one"
That Brute was WHOPPING Fassbenders ASS 😮💨 Really good movie overall. The ending was a bit lackluster IMO but I forsure would watch it again. I was also oddly mesmerized by Tildas performance, I wish she had more screen time.
The killer's thought of himself changed from thinking that he is among the few to thinking that he is among the many by the end of the movie because he missed the shot.
I would call this a 'pop' masterclass. It isn't the deepest or most thought provoking film, and it's story runs a lot of WELL paved paths. It had serious John Wick/Taken vibes at times, but it did it sooooo much better. This is pretty much peak 'revenge' flick imo. And even a total film dummy who can only pay attention for 15 seconds at a time will enjoy it. The action scenes are well shot and quite well choreographed, and while the killer's strategies don't really hold up under review, they are believable and thought through enough to suspend disbelief. And getting to watch that restaurant scene between Fassbender and Swinton was chefs kiss.
Actually having just wrote that I guess she could have saved herself from poison with medical attention if she killed him with the dagger, so fair enough. I still think the drink wasn't poisoned though, but it's possible I guess.
I think that The Killer miss th target purposely , because he wanted to see th consequences of that and how people involved in this job are going to react to his failed Job. This is pertaining to the Grizzly Bear Story told by The Expert., since the hunter dose not come to hunt bear , third time . He spares the rich businessman, because he gets what he wants a Honest wife Millions of Dollars and a great life . Killing the businessman would make no purpose
Pretty good movie. Only silly bit was...we were lead to believe, the also highly capable killer, the Brute was smart enough to lay a trap but not enough to arm himself in lieu of hand to hand combat??
I don’t think it was a trap, I think he just saw Fassbender creeping around and got the jump on him from behind. Fassbender didn’t know the layout of the house obviously and must’ve missed him, another detail showing his skills were slipping.
@MrEvakin1 .....the shower was running....clearly as a misdirect......it stops.....Brute comes from an unexpected direction behind. If he did all that....why not grab a gun and shoot the guy in the back...instead of tackling him.
Found this movie a complete drag. Repetitive, slow, no development. Having no development of character, we don't know if his sloppiness was normal behavior for him, despite his inner monologue. Basically, he breaks his 'rules' but we have no reason to really believe that he ever stuck to those anyways. The cold sociopath with clear skill but a tenuous hold on his consequences has been done before.
you can give Fassbender a role about a rabbit looking for old tires in the desert and the movie would still be good. Nevertheless, the movie was very good as it was. just a dark psycho thriller
What did you think of this movie? Where do you rank it compared to Fincher's other movies? I think it's definitely below The Zodiac but it was still good! Comment what you thought below!
Prisoners was directed by Denis Villeneuve.
Oh yeah! Got confused for a second there!
Brain Pilot! Do you not think that the facial twitch was a foreshadowing of the nerve agent he referred to when talking with the Client? I think that the glass of whiskey he enjoyed with the lady was tainted with the same thing that he threatened the client with. What do you think of this?
After all Tilda was "preparing for this day* and requested "my bottle"
@@sotnoscopesinteresting theory but I don't think Tilda Swinton would have had the ability and time to set that up. You don't keep lethal radioactive material on you just in case. It's possible another force did this to him off camera but I think it was more of a nervous tick him attempting to step into his new life. We don't know how it will go for him and it might not take.
It was pretty bland and underwhelming. I'm a huge fan of Fincher and this might be his worst film. Which doesn't mean it's bad. It's well executed, but that's all. There's not much depth or meaning as people are really forcing it to look like. It didn't feel like a Fincher film. At all. It lacks many qualities of his films. It lacks edge too. For a Fincher film, it's mediocre at best.
Denis Villeneuve directed Prisoners
Lol exactly!
Right…. I can’t necessarily blame him, but because of the magnitude of both Directors, I think it’s important that you know the difference.
There is something satisfying seeing Fassbender escaping, travelling, or just doing stuff
well good, because there sure is alot of him doing stuff in this movie
I really enjoy Fincher and this might grow on me but overall this movie was pretty meh for me. With Fincher you're going to get some beautiful shots and great acting which we do but something was missing from this that left it feeling pretty empty like it's missing something, I'm sure Fincher was going for that as well, I remember in the beginning of the film saying something about how it's very boring, etc.
It's hard to care about the main driving point of the plot when the very same people making the movie also don't care about it either lol. This felt a lot more like Fincher playing with the sound in multiple ways, using sounds as a reference as to your POV through the character and the sounds you would hear outside of that when our POV is say outside the car. But his playfulness with the sound like that became a distraction at least for me.
I also don't think the movie is quite as basic as others are saying, the movie feels like it has something to say about how the middle class or above middle class are killing each other off and the main billionaire villain at the end who is the ultimate reason why this entire thing took place doesn't get murdered and walks away from the situation without as much as a scratch. It also has a lot to say about consumerism and how things like Doordash etc leave us completely open to unknown dangers etc.
It's just difficult to stomach canceling Mindhunter for Mank and The Killer, not a good trade off at all IMO.
@@ML-kx9gz i had the same experience, tho actually in the beginning i thought i was in for a much more fun time. But the movie gets less and less fun as it goes. Not only did i struggle with connecting to the character as he casually kills people but he was so distant, there was nothing to grab on to. Once tilda gets in the movie i felt there was finally some life to the thing but idk, it was just okay for me
Did you see Fassbender jog around in Shame? That’s when i knew this guy is no ordinary actor…
I watched it again and realized that he never intended to kill the billionaire- when he purchased the pistol off the “street vendor”, he told him he didn’t need any rounds when offered. I think that move suggests that his line of work and his code was slowly ebbing away. Plus the wave of police attention that would have ensued had he killed the billionaire would’ve been too much for him perhaps. However, If the billionaires”eyes” had suggested that he was lying…he probably would’ve killed him by hand (remember- he fought the brute).
Interesting, forgot about his refusal of the ammo. Nice catch
hmm i watch only once, the rounds is subjective , maybe he had some on hand , and yes his status and high profile probably gave him 2nd thoughts to kill him since he already came from retirement , but still stupid ending since he kill the cab driver , lol , easily trust the billionaire words
Michael Fassbender never disappoints. He could snap someone's neck off without thinking too much about it.
Lol, that scene was brutal
he still thought about it a bit, because dolores wanted to die in a way that her family would get some of the life insurance, so he killed her in a way that made it look like an accident
He obviously never handled real guns. I takes away from the authenticity of it.
@shadow8277 There is no evidence that he did anything, just allegations from 1 person over a decade ago. There was no evidence for any of her allegations, even after the DA investigated it.
The Irish Sunday Mail:
"Regarding the case on Fassbender, LA county Steve Cooley continued the investigation after Andrews charges were dropped. Two unnamed witnesses were interviewed by victim services of LA county. DA. Cooley concluded, no evidence appeared in statute to require any investigation against the german born-irish actor. The actor gave a ICO.8 statement and no charges were filed."
The Killer is not as complex as Fincher's most popular films - it's pretty straightforward, similar to Panic Room; but it still is an enjoyable ride, mostly because of Fassbender's performance.
Fassbenders aura is perfect for this character.
There’s actually a lot of stuff going on in this film thematically. It’s more than just a thriller
Agree completely
So many films try and do chapters now, this is how you do it correctly. The brute chapter was crazy.
I LOVED this movie and Fassbender. The only thing I didn’t like was the fact that Tilda Swinton got too little screen time. I was really expecting something more from her character
That’s fair! Her involvement was short but it was definitely sweet!
This is just David Fincher having fun and flexing. Simple and straightforward. Fantastic film. I love that we’re just following a psychopath traveling around and killing people.
Not really. There’s a lot of depth in this film
Hes not a psycophat
@@ilqar887 yes he is.
@@shinycheeto5779 no.
@@glibglob8755 It can be enjoyed as just a thriller but there’s definitely stuff going on underneath.
Killer inner monologue says the few exploit the many. Obvious commentary on class struggle. He ends it considering himself as one of the many.
His meticulous planning other goes awry. Nailgun scene. Mailman. Botched job at start. Another topic of film. Life unpredictable. Not sure how those themes can be ignored
Great review as always, but PRISONERS is not a David Fincher film. And the Zodiac poster you shown in your review is not Fincher's Zodiac - it's a poster from another zodiac movie. But just small details I point out, all in all, again, another great review.
Came here to say the same. Prisoners is Denis’s film but it does feel a bit like a Fincher film. I’d argue that Sicario, Prisoners, and Enemy are Denis’ holy triumvirate. And incidentally these 3 films are perhaps the best 3-fer by any director. Period.
@@VFRZen My favorite Villeneuve movie is "Incendies" , the one he did just before going to Hollywood. If you didn't see it, you have to, it's one of the most powerful movie I ever saw. And in the middle-east context we have right now, it will knock you out for sure.
@@guyt54 this👏
This was pretty good, but not near my favorite by him. But damn that fight scene with The Brute was really great and unique looking. He also I believe didn’t kill the last guy, partly due to his saying that the police will always match their efforts to the victims net worth, which was smart and different to include.
Your last remark was spot on! Police always double their efforts when the victim is famous & Rich! I was wondering why he let him go
Well it was already established that he was well capable of making it look like an accident
The bear story was peak dialogue
Yeah that was an awesome conversation!
The ending itself made the movie. The twitch of his face, while left for interpretation by the viewer, implies that somewhere along his path - likely from The Expert - he ingested a chemical that would lead to his death - caused by facial necrosis. It was so subtle and well done and completely elevated the movie. Great film, but I wish this video picked up on that detail.
🤯bro.. that's really genius, now it feels much more completed
Lol thats reaching
You're overcomplicating it.
This is actually a great theory, she said bring me 'my bottle', her drinks were already poured and the first time she pours from the bottle is when he takes it.
@@cyber_crypto Not when you consider what Tilda Swinton's character said to him, "When you die it won't be your life that flashes before your eyes. It'll be mine." Also she had her special bottle brought to the table but didn't drink from it. Also he very specifically mentioned death by facial necrosis to the billionaire and then the end scene; a fairly close shot of his face and there's a twitch - why?. None of these odd details make sense unless he was poisoned in this way by her. It's very subtly done, but this is Fincher after all.
This movie was the closest to a good agent 47 movie we will ever get, loved it
If you can't see it in a theater, do try to watch it on a system with a subwoofer. Much of Trent Reznor's score is nearly subsonic pulses and pops.
I don't know wether this is a dull movie or masterpiece.
it sucked, its not complicated
@@sirbantzalotwhat sucked about it?
@@happytrailsgaming7 months later and here we are 😂😂 loved it
@@lordsafro same 😂 guess some people can’t like a movie unless it has a lot of sun flares and explosions 🤷🏻
It’s a masterpiece to me.
The methodical unfolding of an obsessive mind whose deep rooted believes are questioned showing his own contradictions while reinforcing some of his quite cynical views about the few ruling the many.
To put this creature of habit in this situation, making fun of him and seeing his steps denying every single tenet he has is really enjoyable.
Especially because it’s not the usual redemption arc. 😅
i wanted to exist in this this characters world for so much longer i was hooked from moment one i especially love the inner monologues
"Big David Fincher fan"
*names a movie he never directed*
Fincher didnt direct Prisoners 🤔
What the hell " I'm big Fincher fan"
I enjoyed the movie a lot but what cracked me up every time was the fact the killer was into the SMITHS......too funny
I would've liked to see Fassbender play 007. The dude played an MI6 agent in some other movie I can't remember. I think he would be a great at it. Even now in his mid 40s
This is the Hitman movie that I wanted, a nobody, blending in, killing their target in any way possible, precisely like the latest Hitman game.
I loved Fassbenders performance here and camera work. Fassbender speaks only a few lines in the movie yet he speaks so much with his eyes and body language.
I bailed after seeing you credit Fincher with Villeneuve’s Prisoners.
Prisoners is Denis Villeneuve's movie 😄
They should make more of these movies, just like John Wick.
That’s true!
I loved this movie. Would love to see a sequel. I donno what they would do to make it different and fresh though.
Yeah it’s true! Just fincheresque!
To me I feel like the final line implied that he was always one of the many. I guy being controlled by a higher up, almost ending his life due to a small communication error. The story about the bear is anacodal for how he didn't go for the ones who tried to kill him out of neccesity to survive, but pride, trying to compensate for his fuck up.
The whole movie revolves around whether the the central character is the Hunter who comes to the woods to kill or not. The whole opening scene focuses on a highly and prolonged hit job which mysteriously goes wrong. Surely there is ironic reflection here on the part of the director on that ever elusive perfect shot.
The facial twitch was due to him being poisoned. When he cornered the expert in the restaurant, she asked for her special bottle, then never took a drink from it, (she had already received the flight of drinks), so what was that bottle for? He took the bait. Then she told him, on the way to her demise: "When you die, it won't be your life flashing before your eyes, it'll be mine". He very specifically and unnecessarily, mentioned death by facial necrosis to the billionaire and then the final scene a close up of his face - and there's a twitch. None of these details make sense unless she poisoned him. It's subtly done, but it is Fincher after all.
It also fits with the general theme: he thinks he's a cool efficient, extremely competent killer, but he's not nearly as good as he thinks he is.
"I only shoot when my pulse is below 60" - proceeds to show pulse is 65
He misses the target - this ones a bit less subtle :)
He shoots his booking agent in the chest with nails - "Middle aged, non smoker, 180lbs, should have 6 to 7 minutes" - the guy dies in seconds - oops!.
In Florida he had the huge advantage of surprise - yet he was the one who got jumped.
He drank from the bottle the Expert had brought to the table, the one she didn't drink from.
He says don't ask who or why - but can't help himself, sitting down with the Expert instead of just taking her out anonymously - she called him out on that too.
Same thing with the billionaire - he breaks his own rules about never asking who or why.
Ends up poisoned.
Fincher has made a dark comedy, but its so dark and subtle enough, that it seems to have been mostly missed.
Don’t understand why he would kill the taxi driver who accepted a ride to make $ but didn’t kill the man who put the hit hit out that he ended up botching and putting his girl in the hospital 🤣
He wants him to have a slow and painful death
My interpretation was that there was the greatest risk of being caught given the client’s high profile. Some of the other victims weren’t responsible for what happened and yet they’re killed because he knows it’s easier than letting them live (stick to the plan).
You don't understand because you clearly can't see the obvious pragmatism of the main character.
The Taxi driver knows where he lives, his face, his girlfriend. In the main characters view the driver was a loose end and knew too much. About the billionaire, he didn't know much of the details and he didn't know the main character, he was big risk to kill because of his money and status(the main character mentions that). The main character had also been seen on one his cameras which gave it even more risk.
The taxi driver knows where he lived, how those 2 people came to kill him! No lose ends lol
Am I the only one to notice that all his aliases were names of TV show characters? Maybe you have to be as old as me.
Sam Malone (Cheers)
Felix Unger (The Odd Couple)
Archie Bunker (All in the Family)
Lou Grant (Mary Tyler Moore)
George Jefferson etc etc
He had a level of empathy and conscience in my opinion.He never let any victim suffer except from the lawyer.And in the end he spared the final target.He also cared a lot about his girlfriend and he tried to avoid as possible harming innocents.He wasn't a good person but not 100/100 evil for sure.
I have a hard time reconciling his murder of the young cabbie when he was completely innocent of knowing what his passengers did or their plan. Totally unnecessary kill.
@@unropednope4644 if he didn’t that Taxi driver would inform everyone about his plans.I don’t support that he was a good guy but at least he didn’t cause pain or torture to his enemies and victims even the cab driver didn’t even feel anything
@@kokomanation I think Fischer’s point is that he’s been a successful hitman through his controlled lack of empathy. He kills the taxi driver and Swinton as planned despite empathizing with them. He’s not a cold stoned psycho (heart rate monitor, emotional about his gf, etc,) and yet is trying to emulate one to make his job bearable lol.
Killing the taxi driver was unforgivable
I watched it on my iphone. I can imagine a cinema feel… deserves a big screen this movie
Definitely!
I love this movie
Yeah same here!
The protagonist is the ultimate Sigma
Great movie I hope there's sequel with fassbender
On every step of the way he broke a rule of his.
He most definitely did!
Fassbender’s character in The Killer is very reminiscent of Walter White. His outfit, vocal cadence, demeanor and level of mastery over his job are signatures of Walt. The Killer kinda felt like El Camino in terms of its pacing and tempo.
Yeah that’s a very good comparison! I didn’t draw that when watching it but it’s so true
he also reminded me of Zinnemanns movie from 1973 "The Day of the Jackal" its a great movie worth watching
@@chriz9959yes I thought the same, then also was reminded a bit of American Psycho, anyway enjoyed this film a lot. The way it was filmed the acting the twist and especially the music so strange to have one band ( smiths ) playing all the way through the film.
Disappointed. A hitman getting away with murdering his bosses and then retiring from the business is pure fiction. His final mistake was letting Claiborne go. In reality, the killer would be marked for death.
The fight to me with the brute looked like there was some CGI in it some elements seemed unnatural. I enjoyed it though and I will always like Fassbender. Fassbender has his own "literally me" character now.
Cgi?? It was in the dark how could you even pick up on that?
@@johngotti4286 movement...?
Agreed, the fight was a bit unnatural.
Agreed, the fight was a bit unnatural.
Prisoners wasn't Fincher's, it was Denis Villeneuve..
Good film. Liked the narration, loved that fight scene and the epilogue "eye twitch" leaves things wide open.
Yeah there are many good layers to this movie!
It was really good in a different sort of way. Fassbender pulled it off as he always does. Great review sir!
Thanks!
seamlessly he moved from place to place and having the ability to change names and move about effortlessly was so appealing. 😂
I don’t see many comments about this, but seriously, I was into it. 😮
I felt relaxed after i watched this movie. Theres just a relaxing way about it..
I caught a couple of his aliases were they all fictional characters? Lou Grant George Jefferson Sam Malone etc
Prisoners was directed by Denis Villeneuve
Bro when is Fincher releasing Dune? I loved what he did with the last one and Blade Runner 2049.
He didn't make those movies. Denis Villeneuve directed those movies, also directed Sicario
@@vulamnguyen9453I think it's sarcasm bc in the video it seems BP claimed Fincher directed Prisoners.
@@tjk3430 my bad
This was a case of sarcasm literally oozing from the written words 😂
one more thing, the cameras saw him in the end, better to make it look like a accident later
if someone would kill the billionaire , as the inner monologue says , the more a person has , the more the cops would investigate , and therefore this would be come a high profile case , and that would bring more heat to the killer , this is not gonna be good for a getaway plan
The killer fucks up and goes against his wanky false-bravado inner monologue at almost every turn. He usually only gets out of the fucked up situations he gets himself into through miraculous movie-plot luck (another joke). He wastes all of the high-end low-risk detailing he does on jobs by failing to get the critical essentials right, despite constantly repeating cautions to himself in the form of delusional reassurance. Throughout the movie he fails to recognise, acknowledge and address his own shortcomings, which are so stacked by the end of the movie that it can't be anything other than comedic. Only at the end does he get to a position of potentially admitting that he is not exceptional, but even then it is non-committal and served with obvious insecurity at the thought (nervous eye twitch).
The killer gets information regarding that the counter contract that was called on him is no longer a threat to him, but he persists with going after those people, and then when he gets to the client he lets him live in what he expects will be a tortuous paranoia, failing to realise that the man he threatens clearly has no qualms about calling contracts on people, so much so that he doesn't immediately realise who the killer is and why he's there. This immediately puts himself and his girlfriend back in more danger than they otherwise would have been, completely undoing the team-america-style promise he makes his girlfriends brother - "nothing like this will be ever allowed to happen again."
This movie is a total joke at the rightful expense of hyper-individualised males who take their individuality as a sign of masculine strength and exceptionalism, rather than the political abasement and victimization that it actually is.
Scared men pretending to be brave as usual.
Well...I wish I could agree. I admire this film without actually liking it. Technical stuff and acting were top-notch (of course!), and the screenplay was tight and beautifully structured. I just couldn't connect with it, though. I really didn't care if the killer succeeded, which is troubling. I'm supposed to, right? Genuinely happy for all the people who enjoyed it. For what it's worth, I did watch it twice, just to make sure my initial impression wasn't misplaced. I really wanted to like it. But a second viewing didn't change my mind. For me, at least, _The Killer_ was a first-rate misfire. So to speak.
On a tangential note - how did it cost so much? $150 million? Really?! I know company moves are expensive (at least three countries), but still. Small cast, no superstars (Fassbender is a fantastic actor, but I doubt he commands a huge salary), and not much in the way of obvious FX work - although, knowing Fincher, there may be a lot more CGI than was visible. Maybe Fincher himself cost the most. He's certainly worth it.
I really enjoyed this film (not sure if you can use that word any longer ) . I just wished it had been longer / more epic like the comic . I believe the comic is 13 or 14 *volumes* . Its very philosophical and cynical . The tone and elements of the source material are there . But , yeah , just wished it would have been longer . Hopefully Fincher and Fasbender will do a series .
Someone else mentioned that Fassbender's character doesn't blink through the entire film, like any good psychopath/sociopath. And then that little tic at the end.
Wow, that’s a good spot!
I was a bit disappointed in the ending. It seemed anti-climactic. I was actually hoping that he wanted to talk to Tilda Sweeney (The Expert) and actually air his issues out with her; perhaps even proposing a new partnership since he had essentially burnt his own bridges. Whether she accepted or not was irrelevant but would have made his approaching her in a public place more sensible. I don't think courtesy was really his intent when he initially approached her. It would have really been interesting if she had agreed to a partnership and both went to take out the client in the end only to have her turn on him in favor of the client. I don't know. The ending just didn't feel deserved.
I thought the killer let Clayborne live because he figured that Clayborne existing in a constant state of fear that any second he could be killed is worse than a quick death from a gunshot.
This was the best Bond movie since Skyfall
Dude prisoners is made by Denis Villenueve the guy that made Dune
He didn’t direct prisoners !!!
You’re right. I can’t spell his name but he directed Sicario and Arrival and Blade Runner and the new Dune movies.
Denis Villeneuve
I can't get over how he racked his gun twice and nothing can't out the chamber
i dont know how he didnt use a small .22 kaliber semi auto rifle for the hit, as the target was something about 60m away. he could have put 4 bullets into the targets head without reloading in the same time he tried to reloadad and missed a 2nd chance..
I thought it was brilliant …the watermelon line and Tilda’s Haagen Daz line…30 day waiting period on creatine line were hilarious…Fassbender and Fincher as suspected can’t miss combination.
I didn't take his letting the rich guy live because he decided he had no idea that a civilian would be targeted I take him at his word his statement was, the wealthier a person was the more involvement the police become and since apparently this man is very wealthy he would have had many people looking for who murder him maybe even the CIA or FBI depending upon what this man did in the business world.Not worth the risk.
Why did he kill the cab driver, was he in on the hit of Fassbender’s character or just a loose end.
It's similar to his view; "Forbid empathy, empathy is a weakness, weakness is vulnerability". He needed to do it because at that point he couldn't leave any trace behind even if he didn't want to take him out. Plus at that point he "trusted no-one"
Prisoners does seem like a fincher movie but its actually directed by dennis villeneuve of sicario, bladerunner 2049 and dune fame.
Yeah that's my bad! I knew it wasn't yet in that brief moment when I was writing it I genuinely believed it was lol
Prisoners was not directed by David Fincher, my dude... smh
That Brute was WHOPPING Fassbenders ASS 😮💨
Really good movie overall. The ending was a bit lackluster IMO but I forsure would watch it again.
I was also oddly mesmerized by Tildas performance, I wish she had more screen time.
True! He got lucky there!
Not Fincher's best, but still a well made and enjoyable ride.
Yeah that's a good way of putting it!
Man I can't believe you really tried to defend this piece of garbage movie.....
The killer's thought of himself changed from thinking that he is among the few to thinking that he is among the many by the end of the movie because he missed the shot.
It also suggests he was poisoned at the end by the expert with the twitch of the eye
4:25 David Fincher didn’t make Prisoners that was Denis Villeneuve
Just a heads up, Fincher didn't direct Prisoners. Denis Villeneuve did.
Prisoner is not a David Fincher film. That is a David Villanueve film.
I would call this a 'pop' masterclass. It isn't the deepest or most thought provoking film, and it's story runs a lot of WELL paved paths. It had serious John Wick/Taken vibes at times, but it did it sooooo much better. This is pretty much peak 'revenge' flick imo. And even a total film dummy who can only pay attention for 15 seconds at a time will enjoy it. The action scenes are well shot and quite well choreographed, and while the killer's strategies don't really hold up under review, they are believable and thought through enough to suspend disbelief. And getting to watch that restaurant scene between Fassbender and Swinton was chefs kiss.
What was the significance of that passenger wearing the striped socks that was noticed on the airplane?
I interpreted that as the paranoia that he was feeling at the time!
I don’t understand why he killed the taxi driver? Can anybody explain this to me please
Prisoners was not a Fincher movie. That was Villeneuve.
What if John wick wore a Fitbit
Prisioners is not Fincher’s film lol
This movie reminds me of no country for old men
The film is incredible!!
Prisoners is not a fincher film...
The drink he took with the expert ends up killing him
Do you think? It's definitely one for thought!
If that were so she would have no need for her last attempt with the dagger on the stairwell.
Actually having just wrote that I guess she could have saved herself from poison with medical attention if she killed him with the dagger, so fair enough. I still think the drink wasn't poisoned though, but it's possible I guess.
If there was ever proof that Fassbender would have made a great James Bond this movie is it.
Very true!
Did David Fincher help write or produce Prisoners? Cuz Denis Villeneuve def directed Prisoners.
Wtf, since when did Fincher direct prisoners?
It doesn’t need explaining.
Do you think he missed the shot on purpose?
I think that The Killer miss th target purposely , because he wanted to see th consequences of that and how people involved in this job are going to react to his failed Job. This is pertaining to the Grizzly Bear Story told by The Expert., since the hunter dose not come to hunt bear , third time . He spares the rich businessman, because he gets what he wants a Honest wife Millions of Dollars and a great life . Killing the businessman would make no purpose
Pretty good movie. Only silly bit was...we were lead to believe, the also highly capable killer, the Brute was smart enough to lay a trap but not enough to arm himself in lieu of hand to hand combat??
I don’t think it was a trap, I think he just saw Fassbender creeping around and got the jump on him from behind. Fassbender didn’t know the layout of the house obviously and must’ve missed him, another detail showing his skills were slipping.
@MrEvakin1 .....the shower was running....clearly as a misdirect......it stops.....Brute comes from an unexpected direction behind. If he did all that....why not grab a gun and shoot the guy in the back...instead of tackling him.
@@Jmega1999 Well there’s a reason they call him the Brute and not the Expert. Not very smart lol
Found this movie a complete drag. Repetitive, slow, no development. Having no development of character, we don't know if his sloppiness was normal behavior for him, despite his inner monologue. Basically, he breaks his 'rules' but we have no reason to really believe that he ever stuck to those anyways. The cold sociopath with clear skill but a tenuous hold on his consequences has been done before.
It's pretty hard to do anything now, that hasn't already been done.
150 million on what?
brainpilot fly get in the sim and learn to seek out the sought out
what yer talking about, mate? The Prisoners were shot not by Fincher but Denis Villeneuve
you can give Fassbender a role about a rabbit looking for old tires in the desert and the movie would still be good. Nevertheless, the movie was very good as it was. just a dark psycho thriller
Prisioners is not a Fincher movie though...
Prisioners not from David Fincher
How could you possibly be a real fan and mistakenly identify Prisoners as one of his films?!
I thought his eye twitched because Tilda somehow put something in the wine.
It was whiskey not wine
Three three inch nails lol. Zodiac and TGWTDT nods throughout. It's just a big victory lap.