Federation Starships VS Cardassian Weapons Platform - Star Trek Starship Battles
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
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Today we are going to put some Dominion War Era Statfleet ships against a Weapons Platform.
These platforms were notorious during the Dominion War. Pretty much one shoting Starfleet ships like the Excelsior Class and even severely damaging Galaxy Classes.
The Cardassians employ Plasma Torpedoes and Disruptors on these platforms.
We shall put the following shops up against one:
Miranda Class
Centaur Class
Akira Class
Galaxy Class
USS Lakota (Excelsior Class Refit Refit)
USS Defiant
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RBG: "Starfleet ships are not designed for war."
Akira class: "Hold my root beer."
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Boimler: Um, the Defiant would like to have a word!
@@jamesbarrow904the Defiant is an Escort.
"What will it escort though?"
It will escort our enemies off the mortal coil.
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That's funny because it is a terrible design that can't do the one job it was designed for.
Unlike the Connie which did well for it's era or the Miranda which does well as a multi role ship.
The defiant and the Akira are both anti-borg ships and they couldn't even do that job.
Don't want to hear about it being a "tough little ship" because it had main character plot armor as Worf was on it and if he wasn't it would have not made it.
During ds9 we seen what happens to a non-plot armored defiant when it was on a mission to deal with a cardie with nog onboard, it was turned to space dust.
@valor1omega the Valiant went up against a Dominion battleship with more power than a Galaxy class whilst crewed by cadets.
The only reason the Feds won against the cube was because of Picards knowledge of the Borg. If anyone else was captain of the Ent E the battle would have been lost.
Not even Data understood Picards tactic/targeting.
I think what made these weapons-platforms so powerful was the fact that their power-source was separate from them, and, probably, MASSIVE.
When you don't need engines, reactors or life-support, it can all be weapons, shields and torpedo magazines. And because they don't need to travel, the hull can be incredibly well armored.
Yes that was correct, just imagine a power core many times the Galaxy class starship warp core powering that thing in theory.
These weapons platforms also in the final episode but the power source is not mentioned there.
The power core system wasn’t even located on the weapons platforms themselves, so they had regenerative shields, making it almost impossible to penetrate….. The Defiant had to take out the Moonbase in order to take them off-line…..
If I remember correctly, there were also weapons on the weapon platform, which may have provided some benefit in combat
What made the OWPs so dangerous were their numbers. One was bad enough for most ships. But put over 1000 in the area and you get why the first Chin'toka battle was so bloody. Had O'Brien not figured out to trick them onto firing on their own power generator, the combined fleet would have had to retreat.
Starship: "I can't miss!"
Platform: "You'll need every shot."
That's one of my favorite episodes of DS9. It was absolutely INSANE to see Federation ship get absolutely ripped to shreds in that battle.
this is why i love the akira
People say the Dominion helped, but all those weapons are Cardassian and we've seen them before. We have plenty examples of the Galor and Keldon's big SWD cannon being powerful. We've seen Cardassian regenerative shields on the Dreadnaught that predates the OWPs by four years. And I think it likely that the Cardassians received Romulan plasma torpedoes during the Obsidian Order/Tal Shiar Alliance. We know the Orias Shipyards were taken over by Central Command after the Obsidian Order was wiped out. The Cardassians probably reverse engineered the Romulan designs and created a their own plasma torpedo that appears to be superior to the Romulan model. It is smaller, faster but carries the same punch and thus requires smaller launchers. Great weapon.
I kinda suspect that the Dominion helped with their power-supplying-system though. Garak: "Captain, I've just noted something ODD about those platforms: Not one of them seems to have a power-generator onboard."
@@johnharrison6745 I kind of feel like it is 100% Cardassian because the beamed power is a flaw, and the Cardassians will often design something amazing only to fail because they skimped out on some system. Like with the Dreadnaught, they built this amazing weapon complete with quantum torpedoes, and then used an out-dated kinetic fuse for the warhead. For the OWPs it's like they are so used to a poverty mindset that they crammed every cubic centimeter of space with shields and weapons but the power source was an afterthought.
The Akira class is wonderful
That's just one OWP. They are always deployed in large numbers. At the *Battle of Cardassia* it would have required the entire Federation Fleet there to take care of the OWPs. That is like 4000 starships. In the battle assignments the Cardassians and Romulans were given the Dominion to take care of, the Klingons the Breen and the Federation the OWPs. That the largest contingent of the Alliance Fleet was tasked with attacking fortifications is a testament to the strength of those OWPs.
The Federation would've had to figure out where the power source (or sources) was, during which time any and all Alliance ships would've been a target. Unless, of course, the Chin'toka OWPs were a special case, and that in general, these platforms likely didn't have anywhere near the same level of power nor as many torpedoes on account of having to incorporate an onboard energy matrix of some kind.
@@stephandolby One has to assume that the Dominion learned from the mistake and refit their targeting scanners. The fact that the entire Starfleet forces was dedicated to the OWPs leads me to think the problem was fixed. Also, one has to assume they encountered more of them since Chintaka. The Klingons were able to capture the Septimus system.
The obvious out of universe solution to these things has got to be a kinetic hit at 20% the speed of light. Either slap a cloak onto a runnabout and set it to kamikaze or strip it down and use it to accelerate then drop a ten ton chunk of armor a tenth of a second before veering off to go get another payload. ST is super uneven at power scaling but that should work out to as much boom as 400 photon torpedoes each with 1kg of antimatter. But thats pretending we can take their stats as stated.
@@johnassal5838a warp core powered railgun en masse sitting far out of range, just flinging shit. Mmmhhhh............
8:00 that's why I don't really mess with cloaking much. It just seems to open too much opportunity to get easy hull shots, player and enemy alike.
Also, I love your videos, and they helped get me back into Bridge Commander! Keep it up!
Someone forgot the Sovereign Class; just 'cause it wasn't on the small screen, doesn't mean it wasn't a Dominion-era starship
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Love the Akira, great ship
Yes, those weapons platforms are as powerful as a spinal phaser lance. The only defense is to trick them into firing on their own power source.
But that won't work in Bridge Commander... the trick in DS9 makes me remember one of my favorite Star Trek songs. The USS Make Sh*t Up. 😆
Nice fight with the Akira... I thought it might stand a chance.
And I agree with you... I'm certain that the Dominion helped construct those things.
I think they basically have the big cannon on the Galors, but three of them. Not being a ship, they don't need life-support, engines or reactors. They could also up-armor the hull. All the room is used for weapons and shields.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 they also had tons of them fortifying each planet and other important sites, very nasty defenses to go up against,
The Cardasian OWPs didn't have onboard power, they received broadcast energy. Which had some pros and cons. I think if they were redesigned for a MK2 version they would have onboard auxiliary power in case the broadcast energy gets shut down.
These things had like the firepower of an Akira in the size of a Defiant or Saber. No need for any human crew or even propulsion. Keep them small and loaded to the brim with weapons and shields. They were intended to operate in tandem with other ships but Chin'Toka required the Jem'Hadar to delay the Alliance before the platforms could go online.
I shudder to think how dangerous they would have been defending Cardasia Prime. On their own ships could just stand back and volley torpedoes at them, but when they have ships working in tandem they are just nasty.
Reading the old Star Trek supplements is really fascinating. There used to be mention of being mindful of orbital power transfers when piloting a spacecraft in the book that covers how traffic is handled within the United Federation of Planets because back in the "Spaceflight Chronology" it explicitly mentioned that Earth had orbital solar power beamed directly to the surface. Remember, these platforms have external power supplies. So the best way to fight this would probably to park yourself between it and said energy source.
5:28 This thing is essentially a space variant of the weapon in "The Cage" that gets its power from the USS Enterprise.
Parking yourself in side a massive power beam is probably not a good idea.
The Spoonheads make good weapons platforms
The Grand Nagus has just asked for a larger ship. He needs to deliver the bill for all those plasma, photon and quantum torpedoes.
You don't have to imagine them defending Cardassia. They were. When Admiral Ross was assigning targets, he said the Starfleet ships would target the Orbital Weapons Platforms. You also see them in the big fleet shot.
The entire Fed Fleet was assigned to them. Crazy.
I forgot about these things and honestly didn't think much of them in the show. Seeing them here makes me want to rewatch DS9 just so I can not underestimate them again!
Technology from the Obsidian Order
I get the feeling the larger ships could have just bombarded from long range (actually that goes for the DS9 episode, as well), but that wouldn't make for such an exciting display.
True, but that only works in isolation. If the OWPs are working with a fleet it makes it difficult to isolate them like that. Enemy ships will use the OWPs as a base of fire they can operate around. Also it requires the offensive ships to have greater range than the OWPs. Also, the OWPs are mobile, they are equipped with thrusters so they can make rapid movements over short distances.
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RBG: "Do you think they got some technology from the Dominion?"
Worf: "Some..."
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Once again, the Galaxy looking laughably weak for a ship it's size while the Akira being a true cruiser.
The Dominion did not directly help the Cardassians build the OWPs. Weyoun knew nothing about them, or their deployment. That was a major project and had the Vorta worked on it he would have known. But, the Cardassians couldn't have built them without being members of the Dominion. The big change that Dominion membership allowed was that the Cardassians could finally mass produce their best tech. They had had advanced weapons and systems before, like the Dreadnaught missile and Cardassian quantum torpedoes, but only in limited quantities. The built up Industrial Base allowed the Cardassians to design, and mass produce many thousands of these OWPs, each with 1000 of their new plasma torpedoes, all without direct Dominion assistance. We know the Cardassian Fleet was upgraded right at the start of the war, but towards the end, some of their Galors and Keldons were also getting the very latest in weapons and regenerative shields. I would love to see a Late-War Keldon with all the bells and whistles.
Agreed
You should do a video where you attack Deep Space 9 with Cardassian and Dominion ships if you haven’t already
I admire your stubborness about the defiant winning 😂
Someone needs to give the Miranda the Scimitar treatment!
Fun fact on the Miranda specifically the role bar there is two pulse phaser cannons technically attached to it. We see them get used in the wrath of con, but never since that movie every other depiction of that ship forgets to use the pulse spacer cannons that are equipped on the ship.
The TMP phasers were phased out. The Miranda got tng style phasers.
@ if true then the ship would be equipped with phaser strips but most were not they still had the ports and old lenses meaning they shoot modified phaser not the same also doesn’t change the fact of the phaser cannons located on the roll bar of the ship so regardless of what type of phasers it shoot it still should have the phaser cannons and the multi torpedo barrage from the torpedo module which allowed the ships to shoot 6 photons at once
I saw the Miranda class and was like "on no!"
Those platforms don't miss much
What you have to remember in the 1st episode we see them they didn't have individual power sources. The main power source was coming from an asteroid nearby when it was destroyed the weapon platforms shut down.
There are weapon platforms in the final episode of DS9 but the power sources wasn't mention there.
Reminds me of how I wish the Battle of Cardassia ended. Garak and Kira take over central command headquarters and turn the orbital weapon platforms against the Jem Hadar and Breen fleet. The surviving Breen retreat quickly back to their own space, the Jem Hadar ships die to the man. The war is over. Odo then beams down to central command. Dying Female Changeling collapses to the floor and is like "Help me, I'm melting!" And Odo looks down at her and says "No."
And then Garak says: "Let's visit the Gamma Quadrant. "To say _hello._ "
I'm starting to realize that Cardassian are the Galactic Empire of the Star Trek universe- normal ships are mid to bad, but they spent a lot on Superweapons (that have plot induced weak points)
(Whistles) Those Cardie platforms must get their torpedoes from the same place Voyager did. Given that, it's no wonder the older ships got blown out of the sky, and even the mighty Lakota had to struggle. If this is what the Cardassians could have done, given the right conditions, the Federation-Cardassian war would have been a lot bloodier.
Well Damar states that each OWP carries 1000 torpedoes. Which is not out of question. Those things aren't ships so they don't need bulky engines, reactors or space for crew. Torpedoes are not that big and the OWPs are around 65-70m in diameter. A photon torpedo is about 2m L x .75m W and .5m H. A typical apartment living room of 8m x 8m x 3m can fit around 250 torpedoes. Also, while the Cardassians did possess cutting edge tech prior to the Dominion membership, like the Dreadnaught missile, but they were never able to mass produce it to make them on par with Starfleet's best. Lack of resources and economic base. It seems only after Dominion membership were they able to address those shortcomings. So they could have never built even 25% as many OWPs during the 2350s.
Its always amusing seeing you in an Akira class as it forces you to struggle against your preference to only turn in half-circles back and forth.
DS9 had some of my favourite space battles I've seen on either TV or film; it's amazing what they achieved with their budget and the special effects of the time.
Thanks for bringing more Dominion war battles to life. I hope you do more fleet battles with the Dominion against the Federation alliance.
I think the biggest problem was the lack of shields on the DS9 series lol
Ah, WileyCoyote Akira!!!
Only the best! 🖖
Oh, my Miranda! Nice seeing her after all these years. 😄😄😄
Awesome! Nice to meet you. I'm a big fan of your work 🖖
I always say platforms are only good for guarding small, stationary targets. Or maybe a starbase. But there's not way they could cover an entire planet. You need mobility for that. And yeah, these things seem WAY over powered.
They had some ability to move with thrusters to reset, but not outside a system. But yes, any orbital platforms, like the Klingons we saw in Season 5, are only useful as fixed fortifications.
It'd be cool if you put that against Borg cube
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Ty for the video and LLAP..... They got there own pride and tech and with multiple platforms they can be deadly!
It's a good job that the federation wasn't reliant on the Miranda class during the Dominion War!
And don't mistake Retro Badger's handling of the USS Defiant as advice cloaked as a good example. 😹😼
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I wonder how long the Xindi-Aquatic Dreadnought could go into the future? It was pretty powerful during Archer's day to the point that the Sphere Builders had to intervene against it. Maybe put it up against the Enterprises and see how far into the future it's effective?
OH- and there WERE weapons platforms guarding Cardassia; you see them in the finale (with the Cardie/Dominion fleet over Cardassia). But we don't see them in the actual battle, if memory serves.
The Cardassians are more clever than they get credit for. Are the weapons platforms OP? Yeah. At least for the tiny things we see on screen.
The Miranda was mean ship--in its day. The Centaur is definitely a fine kitbash, a lean and mean ship from the 'Lost Era', but obsolete now. Modern ships for the win! The Akira being a warship, and while the Galaxy may be an 'office building in space', it has great shields and modern weapons, and the multi-torpedo launcher is nothing to sneeze at. I'm almost gratified to see the Defiant struggle a bit! It's a small ship, or portrayed as one on screen; so it ought to have some small ship problems.
Would be nice if you had more than just 1 Defense Array against Federation Ships like what happened during DS9.
Part of th eissue is tactics: By fighting at such a huge range it gives th eplatform more opportunity to target you and launch an attach AND counter. Maybe being closer to it would cut down its attack arcs.
I like how the Defiant battle lasted so long, the Defiants shields have completely regenerated 🖖
The Enterprise D Dreadnought would just look at the platform and it would explode just in Riker's presence.
I’m sure the D Dreadnought would have just one shotted the OWP with its phaser lance.
Use a Lyran cruiser, after a point the AI fires in the gap and misses...😂😂😂
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never understood how these weapon platforms and ds9 were so very powerful, but cardassian ship were kind of weak.
Cardassians took a leap in effectiveness thanks to the Dominion fixing their economy. They always had some advanced weapons, but could never equip their forces with them uniformly.
The cardassian weapon platforms are just a single type 11 beam bank
AKIRA CLASS RISE UP!!!
Love those ships! The best!
Glade you gave the Centaur class a crack. When are we going to get a Resolute mod on the channel?
That would be great to see 🖖
Orville union heavy cruiser vs all enterprise please
Not sure if that is in BC as yet...🤔
@MSR-1701 bummer it's the one ship I'd like to see in action close up
@@denbaker7358 getting more Orville ships into BC is a side project Denacity has mentioned, so never say never...😅👍
@MSR-1701 awesome cheers
Damn, that Miranda can dance, though. I suppose that makes sense, we saw them keeping pace with the Defiant in "Favour the Bold"; refit with some TNG-era impulse engines, I can certainly see that thing getting nimble.
Uss koyoto. U need a hard hitting small and manuverable ship.
Nice Showcase! 😅
Thanks 🖖
The Akira is an absolute beast!
Alliance ships Next
I always think these loose Cardassion weapons like the OWP and, for instance, the Dreadnought from the Voyager series are way to powerfull. These OWP are 120 meters. Yes they are controlled and get power from a large powersource but they have 1000 plasma torpedoes and 3 disruptor or similar canons? That is a ridiculous amount of volume to store inside a relative small platform let alone having launching platforms, machinery etc. I like the possible and impossible science etc. in Star Trek but they overcooked it with these Cardassian weaponry.
Love these videos but how is it the sovereign class doesn't have aft quantum torpedoes, yet the Lakota and RGB Galaxy do? I don't even understand how the Lakota has quantum torpedoes in lore yet the Glazy class doesn't.. Correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway. love the videos, keep it up.
The Miranda class will always be my favorite. You utilized it’s strength in this game which is its maneuverability. You did fantastic against a stationary target, but you don’t seem to do that in ship to ship combat. I’m telling you, run Miranda against a Ka’vort. And get in close making passing attacks staying to its port and starboard and go up and over down and under. The second you clear the ka’vort turn toward the aft of the ship. Hell it even works on Federation ships. Try it against an Ambassador class. Stay out of the Torpedo arch the best you can and don’t worry about letting your Torpedoes got a full spread. Trust me. You might lose but by the end they will always remember the name… Retro badger gaming
For me, it just shows how dependable Federation ships can be if they are regularly updated. Whether that be Excellisor or Galaxy. Can you imagine if a Galaxy class had all its empty volume used for offensive and defensive systems.
Those OWPs are truly nasty. A single one is bad enough. A group can easily repel and destroy a fleet.
I don't get why we never see any Cardassian warships employing those plasma torpedoes. They were large enough to carry hundreds of them.
Correct, and Cardassians have used torpedoes. We know this from TNG *Ensign Ro* and the dialogue from VOY *Dreadnaught.* I think it is safe to assume that the Galors and Keldons absolutely employed those plasma torpedoes by at least half-way through the War. In some of the DS9 novels they do go into detail about some later War programs to increase the effectiveness of the Galor Class that added the regenerative shields, several heavy polaron beams, Dominion computers and transporters as well a second SIF. In books Galor Type IIs and IIIs, as well as Keldons, all carried plasma torpedoes and the Keldons had the same burst launchers as the OWPs.
@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 This would make little sense given that they're not once seen using them on screen in DS9
@@JackSterlingUK Yes, it does because 1) We know Galors have launchers, they've used them in *Ensign Ro*, 2) Cardassians produced millions upon millions of plasma torpedoes by 2374, therefore the logical consistency is that the plasma torpedo became standard issue. We don't need to see direct visual evidence to infer. We never once saw the Enterprise A use her phasers in the TOS films, but we know she had them.
I swore I posted on this yesterday but I don’t see my post.
This was an interesting one to watch for sure. It was hard to watch a lot of those OWP to tear into Federation ships without breaking a sweat. Especially when it tore into that one Galaxy class like swiss cheese.
Someone mentioned the E-D dreadnought and I bet it would one shot those OWP with the phaser lance.
Hey that’s an idea maybe do a short with Riker’s D dreadnought taking on a OWP to see how it fairs. Maybe even the Galaxy class Enterprise-E too.
RUclips appears to remove posts for fun it would seem! The weapon platforms were shocking in their power on DS9. I clearly remember shouting at the TV the first time I saw that clip 😂. I'll definitely be featuring them again soon. It would be cool seeing Rikers X Class one shotting one 🖖
I’d love to see what ships/weapons platforms the Galaxy X class can take out using just its spinal phaser lance
Damar......... these are our new orbital weapon platforms they are each armed with a 1000 plasma torpedoes
Platform with huge front:
Warping through it has left the chat
Something I noticed is that you appeared to be able to fire from outside the weapon range of the platform on your initial approach with each ship. If the platforms can't move, then a viable tactic may be to stay just out of range and keep firing from a distance.
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It looked like you were playing one of those Japanese bullet hell games, trying to just miss getting hit by torpedoes.
I watched the battle of Chintoka, and it literally took 3 platforms to deal lethal blows to 2 Akira's (they must have been a high priority programmed target)
Space Battleship Yamato vs 5 of these platforms, how about it?
I get when Quantum torpedoes were first introduced they were a rare commodity but surely the obvious upgrade for ANY Akira, aka the flip them the torpedo bird, would be to upgraded them with quantum torpedoes... heck even if it was only the forward launchers, tho why only upgrade SOME...
Can you put rikers x class against armored voyager please?
Transphasic win for Armored Voyager.😂
@@MSR-1701 probaly but i want to see what rikers ship can do to it.
Cardassian Weapons Platform < Self-Replicating Cloaked Minefield
I recently watched First Contact and I think they got the torpedo sound wrong in bridge commander for the Akira, I noticed it again today.
In Start Trek first contact its the ship behind the Akira thats making that unique torpedo sound. The Akira torpedos sound more like the quantum torpedoes of the Enterprise's quantum torpedoes, but maybe that was just a continuity error.
Try these things against SPECIES 8472.
request cardassian weapons platform vs. Mars defenses
DS9 seemed to completely ignore the existence of shields...
The CWP is powered by plot. Very unlikely that the CWP would have that much power and ammo. 1000 plasma torps??? Just add water ;)
Can you do a fleet against a few of these things?
That's what I thought this video was going to be 😮💨
Wait, is that the stock/Orion Cardie Weapon Platform??😮
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@RetroBadgerGaming blast, I need to use that more...
Cardassian Weapons Platform = Over Powered
Where do you find this game?!
So I take it that in this game they have an internal - rather than external and wireless - power source.
Can you put like 20 of these up against all of the borg ship?
They were so powerful during the Dominion war because Starfleet ships clearly chose to not bother with having shields up and instead re-routed all power to weapons systems. A foolish tactic if you ask me.
Cardassians against the Sona please.
You have no honor using the cloak on the Defiant!
So basically, The Newer design ships can beat those systems
HOLY EARLY
That wasn't a fair test. With all ships up to the Galaxy class you increased power to the shields and weapons, but then you didn't with the Lakota or Defiant.
Why did you not use the Galaxy war class it was cannon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He did use the Galaxy class.
@@TrentonBennett Not War Variant Witch is much stronger than the normal D