Does This Stop You From Wild Camping?
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If Samwise Gamgee can take cast iron pans to Mordor, you can take a regular steel pan for one night in the Lakes.
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Ah, the Lord of the Onion Rings.
Hi. I’ve just bought a secondhand Helm 1, my sleeping bag is secondhand, home made beer can stove. Cheapo sleeping ‘airbed’ and my pack is a £64 40 litre from Decathlon bought over 3 months with paypal. I’m bike camping first though with my e bike (bought two front motor cheapo shop returns, fixed them both electrically, sold one for twice what they cost me and kept this one), set of 4 Karrimor panniers for £30 from FB marketplace and a bar bag from Lidl last week for £7.99 - I really enjoy searching out secondhand gear and clothes on ebay, FB and Vinted. It can be part of the fun. Cheers and all the best from sunny Devon.
Just bought my nephew a rucksac ,sleeping bag , tent and mat . To get him out side and give him that feeling of freedom to go where and when he wants .i started when i was about 17 and am still loving that " stepping out of the door to an adventure " feeling some 35 years later .
Pass it on , is the most important thing you can do as we get older .
I pass on my gear to the younger family members. Rucksack and stove etc to my wife's godson, tent etc to my eldest daughter.
Awesome. I have donated only one of my tents so far to family members. But have bought new kit for plenty of others .
Boots .coats .bags .stoves . Tents etc .
I guess as I do less in the future I will pass more of my kit on .bit for now my stock pile is still growing .(20 tents and counting ) 😂
Honestly mate I like the discomfort cheap gear can bring. I like the struggle. I like the heavy pack. It’s partly why I do it. Would feel too disconnected with all the luxuries and an easy life
How true Paul! I started camping over 60 years ago, with my Dad’s single skin tent made from an old parachute, with two solid wooden poles. Absolutely useless if it rained, but got me started. These days (at 70), I still love to camp, but use more sophisticated gear.
Start with what you can afford / scrounge / borrow and if you enjoy it you can upgrade as your interest and experience develops.
Brilliant advice! 😊
Hey Paul, It’s me Joe! First off, love the video and how it tells people that want to start wild camping that not all gear is expensive so they can atleast try it, and second off, my dad was thrilled to see him in your video as he has been a fan of yours for quite some time!
I grew up playing multiple sports and at an early age began taking pride in competing against and beating kids whose parents bought them the latest best equipment. I carried that into my adult years. I enjoy finding something that works for me that may be ten yrs old, may be a bit heavier or slightly less convenient. That makes me happy.
Sure beats the all-the-gear-and-no-idea types!
It's the same with sailing and sea kayaking. I started off dinghy sailing at a club which was cheap to join and gave members use of dinghies without further cost. I bought a new buoyancy aid for about £25 (long time ago to recall exactly but it wasn't much), then used old cagoule from school days and a second hand wetsuit. The next year I used birthday money to buy a better wetsuit. That did me for several years.
Sea kayaking was much more recent but I still started with a local club, one of their kayaks, and my dinghy clothing.
It doesn't take loads of money to do these things. Budget options are perfectly fine.
The main barrier is just that people are lazy in not doing some research and reading up on kit and places to go to actually camp.
Two weeks ago, we took our scout troop wild camping in Snowdonia. We asked the farmer who owns the field for permission first. We used Decathlon 3 person tents that cost £40 each. The scouts brought a variety of sleeping mats and bags - warm enough for the night, and cheap as chips. For cooking, we use Trangias that our troop has owned for decades. The result: all the scouts and leaders had an amazing time wild camping. So I completely agree with you Paul that the cost should not be a barrier.
I'm an angler, a hobby that can be started for as cheap as £50 (including licence) but can end up costing thousands if you want. The funny thing is for all the spent it doesn't mean you'll catch better fish. I think the way to enjoy any hobby is to not only spend what you can afford but to only spend what what want to afford.
When I went to Estonia with the army we had to do a cold weather operators course. Three days and it was in February, one day on the Hilleberg Keron 4 Tent a night in the Hilleberg atlas and then the last night was an improvised shelter. The last night was probably the warmest and we weren't allowed a sleeping bag only softie jacket and trousers with gloves, boots, hats and a bivvy to keep dry. That last night got down to -32 and we did have a small fire.
The point I'm trying to make is that it's not the kit it's the experience and the use of materials that you have that make the trip. Just make sure you are allowed to do it and that you know what you are doing before you try to go to somewhere that cold. 😂😂😂
I started with army navy stores gear. Saved up and got a Robert Saunders Fellpine and a Karrimor Lynx rucksack back in 82. That lightened my load.Ive progressed since then bit by bit and still have some gear that I got decades ago.
Some gear is over priced especially branded pots etc but if you fork out for a Trangia it will last a lifetime.
Too many people start off buying the wrong cheap gear and then spend more rectifying the mistake.
I've seen some people buy cheap mats with no insulation then going through several over the years and it cost more buying that than getting a decent insulated mat. Places like decathlon will help getting you out there relatively cheaply but there is also a lot of rubbish out there as well online.
I have experienced many times bying cheap stuff that didn't hold up. From cars to furniture and whatever. So now I try to buy high quality or nothing. I still bought a tent from Naturehike, not Hilleberg. But if on a very limited budget, don't buy the absolute cheapest stuff. I don't think I have ever regretted buing the more expensive option if I did a lot of research first.
I used that Eurohike rucksack for my first multi-day hike. It was fine, although I had to keep tightening the shoulder straps, but you could put better buckles on that wouldn’t let the strap slip through as you walk. Still got it too.
Thing is too the more you use a peice of gear the cheaper per use it is a £100 tent after 2 use is £50 each use 3 times £33 and so on
Some great points. I have two tents: a £550 Abisko 1 and a £70 Jack Wolfskin second hand Gossamer 2. Both would suit our national parks and even the fells in them, and so Facebook marketplace can be the place for a good, second hand mid range tent. Blacks sell good cheap Vango stoves and mess tins too.
Lots of information in this video regarding budget gear, prices, and why one should or should not use budget gear in a particular circumstance. There is nothing wrong with using gear you like. I believe that people are intelligent enough to do the research if they are considering going wild camping, or other ventures. And there are many videos out that speak to using budget gear versus really expensive gear., not to mention going into shops and asking about the gear.
You hit the nail on the head though, everything is expensive, these days, no matter what hobby a person wants to pursue.
Thank you for a most informative video. It is great to see how much you enjoy wild camping.
- Gaylin Ontario Canada
Great words of wisdom there. I do agree with what you are saying, but those wanting to get into the hobby do want to know what is the best value equipment for them to get started.
The last thing anybody on a budget needs is to go through 5 tents and 7 stoves before they find their preferred setup.
Sadly, experienced campers will usually end up with the better and more expensive equipment that suits themselves, but is not appropriate for everybody.
A bad experience because of some equipment short comings or failure does sadly provide an exit for the hobby for some people.
Fully agree with your comments regards starting out on a budget. The problem is some folk buy the cheapo stuff a d decide after one night it's not for them and abandon the stuff on the hills or beaches, giving proper campers the bad name.
Agree with every word, I’ve been camping 40 odd years now and it’s only in the last 5 or so I’ve bought high end expensive ultralight stuff. I enjoy having the range of gear for different situations though. Cheap doesn’t equal rubbish in many cases. Recently I just bought a 12quid spike table like I’ve seen you use. I didn’t need it but I enjoyed using it, cheap thrills.
If you're looking to be camping on a budget go to Decathlon,
Their stuff is real good, still use my tent rainproofs, base layers...
It's good quality imo.
you can upgrade as you go on. To something fancy
I have used a Vango soul 200 many times, I change the pegs to lightweight and its a cheap and good tent only 2 kilos.😊
I've been wild camping for years in the lake District frequently in bad weather and I've never had really expensive tents. The main tents i use are Vango Scaffel, Wild Country (Zephyros 2) Snugpack ionosphere and a Gelert Trek 2 tent that cost £20 Most of my clothing and rucksacks and sleeping bags and boots are Karrimore or Gelert, Regatta, Mountain warehouse and Decathlon and they've been fine. If i was wild camping constantly then I'd probably spend a bit more but for the amount of times i do it the gear that I have is absolutely fine. It's a myth that you need Hilleberg tents and Arcteryx/Mountain equipment/Rab/Berghaus jackets etc to be safe on the mountains. As long as you have some half decent gear and take reasonable precautions like carrying an emergency shelter and assessing the risks you can get out there and enjoy the mountains.
I’ve got a lightly used Brompton in York that I can’t use anymore that I’m going to sell to help fund a new wheelchair as soon as I have the energy to clean it and take photos. We could discuss if you want?
I use a Lanshan 2, which I think is great and is pretty affordable. That is, it's great for what I do although I'd want something sturdier for the more moutainous adventures that I'd like to do at some point. Pack is a second-hand army pack, which while a bit on the heavy side in its own right, is basically indestructible and I like that about it. I've spent more on sleeping bag and pad with Sea to Summit Amplitude sleeping bag (I'm a big guy and need the space) and the large Sea To Summit Etherlight pad. To start with though, I had a foam pad and a cheaper and bulkier sleeping bag.
I also think you can scale your 'adventure' by what you have. I wouldn't take the Lanshan out on windy mountains, but if it's in less exposed areas, it'll take decent wind and heavy rain no trouble.
Thank you for sharing how you are and glad you seem in a much better place
Maybe as you have made your you tubing a job that is regular days and hours it’s giving you more structure as well🤷♀️and as you say taking the pressure off
What great advice.
decathlon sleeping bags are great. less bulkier than snugpak and just as warm. i had the xl synth for ages and never cold. their down stuffs good to but not hydrophobic. everyone needs to start off with bulky as they'll find what they like or dont and tents like the phoxx help you understand what you need, whether its headroom or cooking space etc. my biggest issue i seem to have in getting out is finding a good parking spot. i've never asked anyone for a camping location, but would gratefully get parking spot help! tried park4night but all that has is dogging spots and me and the mrs definitely aren't that open minded!
Really enjoyed this 👍
Hi Paul thanks for this I have a what best can be described as mid range camping gear. One thing I suffer from is not being content with what I have and always believing that something else almost certainly more expensive is going to make a real difference in performance weight or both compared to what I have when in reality the difference is negligible if at all. Down jackets are a good example
With all the gear I own or have owned….ive never surpassed that buzz I got from my first night in a tent on the ridge with more basic gear. It’s the adventure that matters. Gear items are just tools. Most do the same thing as the next item.
There's so much great budget gear available. I spent a good bit of money on gear but I still enjoyed it just as much using my cheaper stuff when I started.
I remember when the top match anglers all switched to carbon fibre rods, I couldn’t dream of paying
That kind of money so mine came from swap shops (remember them lol) but 40 years later I’ve still got the same gear and it still catches fish, so pretty much the same applies to camping buy good quality second hand stuff do your homework and you can’t really go wrong. Just invest in a new top quality sleeping bag and a good pair of boots.
I agree Paul, I’ve seen you work with gear at all price levels. Fine weather is less of a challenge for most equipment but for a 4 season camper up on the tops when all hell breaks loose you need dependable gear. Expensive doesn’t always mean the best but if it is due to tech or design that makes the extremes more comfortable then I see it as a case of saving where I can (eg lighters!) so my budget can go further where I want it to. It’s a personal choice balancing budgets, needs and wants.
I used eurohike tents, army sleeping bags, heavy stoves , heavy rucksacks when I started out... I was young and fit so didn't worry about weight, as long as it did its job.. I saved up and got better gear as my budget didn't permit me to just buy what I wanted, when I wanted.... I gave all my beginner kit away when I had a good collection of better kit... Take care out there.
My army mate survived the night in a Tesco 2 stripe tent in the Whitby coast path Paul 😂
yep, fully agree with your point there
Perhaps its worth remembering some people have a struggle just paying the bills and eating.
Yes, you can do ok with cheap stuff. But for some thats out of reach.
Some people let the expense stop them because they want the best gear. I’m currently wildcamping in Snowdonia with a £50 tent (oex) , £30 matt (sea to summit trade show deal) and a £60 sleeping bag. I’ve got a budget stove and seat and table. I did slash out on an osprey bag to replace the £30 bag I used to have. It can be done on a budget and you can still be comfy and have a good time.
Cheap gear is so much better these days than it used to be years ago. My first big backpack was made in China. This was 20 or more years ago. It was cheap, and looked ok. But that thing was horrible. The straps broke in 3 places. When I got home, the thing was barely holding on. That's when I decided to stop saving money on gear. But the gear I did start getting, while not dirt cheap, it was still pretty cheap. Stuff like Decathlon own brand, things like that. And it worked great. I still have my second backpack. Always worked just fine, and always kept working. But these days, it's so much better. Even the cheap stuff is pretty good. You really don't need much to get out there.
I paid £25 for a Crivit 70 ltr backpack from Lidl and it was so good I bought another one 2 years ago and both are still going strong. If they do them again I will get another as a backup.
Just a thought Paul. I personally love these daily shows you embarked on but maybe a PM2 channel for all the daily stuff and this channel for those longer ones? And this is no way a critique at all. I always say, if you cant say something kind or positive, dont say it. I agree on cost though, best thing I invested in was a quality sleep mattress and bag. My 2 weeks motorbiking around Europe last month were bliss due to this upgrade. Stay awesome
Sound advice
As lots say make sure you enjoy the experience first then buy gear according to your future needs, but shop around
I always look for bargains and research the durability and look for reviews on the websites and RUclips
Regards Jeff
Nice to see you back out camping Paul looks very nice where you are but a bit cloudy ⛅️ but nice stay safe and stay healthy one life enjoy blessed be
Best backpacking tent I ever had cost me £3 from a charity shop. eventually a zip went and I suppose I could have it repaired, but I retired it a few years back on account of age and wanting to us a camp bed cos my back is not what it was. Unfortunately due to health reasons I have not been able to go camping at all this year, however I hope to get some in before the year is out.
I work at a blacks and I've been recommending the Nepal 65 to loads of folk that are just wanting to get into it. I did have a guy ask me if one of those pop up tents would work for the west Highland way and that's one mistake I couldn't let him make 😂
I would recommend looking for second hand gear if on a budget, you can mostly get some great quality kit for reasonable prices
Hi Paul. Love your videos. I haven't camped for 50 years, about to retire and am planning to hike /camp soon. You review so much new kit, perhaps you could do a film about historical camping. Maybe the type of equipment Scott of the Antarctic used . Also kit that was used in 40s 50a etc. thanks
I bought a tent sleeping bag.. Air mattress colapsable chair titanium cup and spork.... Second hand £85 delivered from ebay.. Looked like it had all been used once
Hi Paul - loving the videos and best wishes to both you and Jo. Highly recommend investing in a Brompton. Over the years I have been fortunate to have three Bromptons and they have been the best investments I have ever made. Easy to take care of and built here in Britain. Worth getting rear rack for helping to both carry loads plus to help push the bike along when folded.
Paul, when I started wild camping I didn't have access to more expensive kit. I used to carry way too much gear, and that gear was heavy. Also carried way too many clothes. Used to think I'd need everything I carried, how wrong I was
Eurohike Nepal 65 was my first backpack. It’s a decent bag for the price.
I’m alway happy to talk to friend about camping and let they borrow anything I have
Wild camping in the UK is a lot different to wilder camping here in Canada. For one thing, ours is actually wild. Looking at the weather forecast yesterday, it gave an extreme heat warning, air quality statement related to forest fires, and a tornado watch leading to a warning later in the day. On top of that, there’s wildlife encounters with large predators to consider. So, in short subpar gear is the least of one’s worries.
I’ve slept under a tarp supported by bungees basha style in my old army surplus sleeping bag and been perfectly comfortable.
Wild camping, like anything else, is what you make it. If you can afford boutique gear, the world existed before goretex and Jetboil, go for it. It makes life in the bush a bit more fun, but it’s not vital. The key to wild camping is not material, it’s philosophical. We don’t need to be here away from civilisation, but, yet, here we are escaping something and finding something else. I find wild camping gives meaning in its simplicity to the complexities of life. Surviving a bear encounter, as I have on several occasions, helps me deal with an unreasonable boss, a car accident, unruly neighbour etc, because it gives context. No piece of kit, regardless of price or function, can do that, but it can help. Simplicity though is an aspect that must not be ignored. It can save your life.
At 59, a million miles of backpacking, camping, and exploring behind me over decades, I’m starting to embrace comfort a lot more on adventures. For that reason, I’m buying the best kit while appreciating the cheapest.
Nobody needs a long handled titanium spoon. Just cut a third off the pouch when its cooked 😂
Having the hobby you love tho is the best and buying fun gear isvpart of the hobby.
Any hobby can be cheap or dear , my first tent was a Halfords one £9.99 most expensive i have now is a £700+ one . Start with cheap stuff and work out if you like the hobby and go from there.
I watch your videos on a 55" 4K TV with the aid of a Roku streaming device.
It doesn't have to cost a fortune, the Onetigris Cosmo 2.0 is a great 3 season tent for about £130. Or they make a very similar 4th season tent, I think it's called the Stella for £200.
Hi Paul.
It's nobody's business but your own how one chooses to spend ones money. Some people spend what I consider to be daft money on haircuts, nails, trainers, alloy wheels etc, but hey, if that's your thing? If it's your hobby, you buy what you desire and can afford. Simple.
Cheers, Paul
Its good that camping gear has become more affordable. But as seen at festivals for example and some popular wildcamping spots . . Has it become disposable and left once used
Get grip -- still using my tent and its over 20 years old, sleeping bag 30 years old .
Great video Paul. A really good subject to highlight.👍
I really enjoy your daily vlog Paul ! Cheers from a big fan in Canada !
I've camped since I was about 4yrs old with family / friends & also throughout adult life, 50+ now, but that was all fairly big setups, all on sites, tents, caravans, trailer tent, van & round the block again...🤣 But it was only 3years ago that I got into wild camping / backpacking... I've gathered all sorts of great kit during that time & now have a good collection of tents, stoves, sleep systems, etc...😄 Most was bought at bargain prices, but even that can add up...!😯 That said, life went very downhill for me at the onset of Covid😔 Kids are no longer here, so lightweight camping became a means for me & dog to escape the four walls & get out in nature for a while...🙏 It also became a survival challenge & was a big learning curve to get by with minimal equipment that I could comfortably carry...!🥵👍 I don't believe there's any other things that I could possibly need, whilst my spending has now slowed down, I still end up seeing something else that I like or think could be useful or better...!!!🤔 £££...😂
Hi Paul I'm 56,am I to old to start wild camping, I really like the idea.also I've heard that people get their stuff stolen or even get their car vandalized,is this common,sort of putting me off🤘
There is also the second hand market. I saw an osprey pack used once for 50 quid on gumtree the other day.
Did you buy it??
@@AndyWardle no. I wouldn't say I've too many, but I've definitely enough.
@@AndyMacaskill always buy them. Sell it fast. Make a buck or 2. 👍
@@AndyWardle that is a good point, Andy!
@@AndyMacaskill 😉 old hand at flipping.
Amen on the cycling deal. Oh the money I've spent on anything made from carbon, hehehe
Here we are.....born to be kings....we're the prince's of the universe......hey!!!!! I am immortal !!!!
What puts me off wild camping (in england) is the anxiety of getting turfed off the land in the middle of the night. I don't think I'd have a relaxing night.
Hey just refuse to move if it’s late. They can’t force you. Tell them to call the police. (They won’t come out). If they touch you make sure you get evidence of assault. Shouldn’t happen though. 600+ wildcamps I’ve never been moved on or asked. 👍 be bold
Start on Dartmoor. It is legal on most of Dartmoor.. if you get up high in the hills or mountains you get left alone .. Arrive late and leave early is always a good shout.. I have (what is now called) wild camped since the 80s and have never been moved on. Take care out there.
@@AndyWardlethis
scoutmaster 1986 1st tent i think it was
No it doesn't but you've also got to have somewhere to wildcamp in the first place!
My whole camping kit is worth about 150 quid. Done me for 4 years, motorcycle wild camping mainly. dearest item, tent Eurohike at 60 quid. Don't need to spend a fortune.
You don’t have to spend a fortune. I still use my £60 tent and a £25 stove. I saved up for a really good sleeping bag.
Paul, Bromptons need not be £1500.
If you understand what the models are then you can get a Second hand 6speed one for less than £600 in decent nick.
Buy a folding bike from Decathlon
I've been looking but not seen any 6 speeds for that kind of money
Is this the peak district mate?
Paul I really appreciate you're Chanel and yourself.
But just something small I wanted to say. Of course you don't need a £70 cooking pot but that doesn't mean you have to bring your house gear.
You can get budget cooking set for under £20.
I know not the best but does the trick.
But Also sorry Paul, I didn't mean as a stab at you because you are an Amazing Guy and I love your channel.
Just saying as you said you don't have to spend a fortune but there are some ok budget stuff out there.
Keep up the great work paul.
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Some of the OEX gear out there is ridiculously cheap. There is no barrier unless you are absolutely skint.
Paul, can you repeat your first wild camping experience and film it?
Great video. Your vids since the June challenge have been your best. Love the channel.
Archery!!!😁
🏹 Robin Hood 😂
@@PaulMessner Another great video - nothing fancy but lots of common sense and good advice.
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Sadly that rucksack droops massively! So it will pull u backwards
Starters buy too much forgetting they need to carry it.
hi Paul video?
It’s coming. Just a little late today. Uploading now 👍🏻
yes some good cheep stuff to be had and when it turns bad some people will not think twice about getting out and leaving it all behind them..... sure it's just cheep shit ... makes me mad 😡
Don't tell my other half you can buy cheaper gear
Tell her, your money is your money.
The national trust which manages the land you camp on have employed a person at huge cost to encourage poke cajole call it what you will for more black campers and ramblers to get out there..Apparently they feel there are to many barriers ( mental or physical) I'm not sure that stop them enjoying the outdoors .I need help as I don't recall seeing fences or gates with signs which actually bar them. As a pensioner I don't have the answer anyone out there that does ?
No. Not wanting to get woken up at 2am and chased off someone else’s land is what stops me wild camping! 😂
Maybe move to Scotland!
Yup, we don'l all live in Scotland or near Dartmoor to do it legit, or the Lakes/Wales where you seem to get away with it. Look at Kent Survival and Simon, a bloke in the woods, locally done all on permission land.
I think on your channel I've only seen you with expensive tents and gear I know you showed a couple of OEX tents and I know you mentioned it on this video it's just mad some of the prices that you show on your channel i think you need to think about showing less expensive gear I'm not slating your channel before people start gobbing off I think it's good but think about people who can't afford it.
I’ve still got some of the gear I started with Pete. But I’ve got better gear now which I prefer to use. The channel is very different nowadays. I less fussed about demonstrating different gear at different budgets etc. I just want to use the gear I like. As I mention in the video. There’s lots of great channels covering this.
@PaulMessner Yeah I know you mentioned it and I know you get things given to you for free to show on your channel as I said think of the people who can't afford the gear you show that's all cheers for the reply 👍
@petergatty1975 Well said Peter. Encouraging people, especially folk with no spare cash into wild camping by showing that you don't need £1000 quid tents or the latest sub £300 quid jacket is the way to go.
It also commands respect, in my book, by not giving the impression that false entry requirements are needed for our hobby.👍
@Hengists_Wild_Camps thanks for that my friend see you on your next video love em!!! 👍
You both sound very bitter and jealous. 😂😂
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Nepal packs are not waterproof so wasting your money