Thank you for posting this. It's good to see Jerry during her prime, and Dinah was a good actor who deserved a better career. It's also nice to see a carefree (seeming) era when beautiful blonde people recognised how fortunate they were compared to most of us. Initially, I thought it was terrible, but the restaurant scene with the two yuppies was pretty good, and I like how the show sympathises with the less classically beautiful woman, whilst the blonde Texan WASPy hottie gets all the attention, just like in real life.
Agreed except for Dinah Manoff was EVERYWHERE in the late 70’s-80s-90s. She was in a ton of tv and did some movies (Grease-hello!) too. Good solid actress, pretty girl, skinny, likable, comic timing, famous Mom. Dinah has/had a great career.
@@Mister_Listener She did well. Don't get me wrong. I just think she should have been even more prominent. I remember her from Ordinary People. I think she's only in one scene, but she's absolutely heartbreaking, and I think she deserved, at the very least, an Oscar nomination for that particular performance.
@@GregOrCreg oh yeah i forgot she was in that!! I re-watched SOAP and had forgotten how weird her plot was, and she also had a tear jerker tragic death bed scene there!
The very first scene of this pilot was recycled for the Married... with Children episode where it was Peg's birthday and Al went bra shopping for her. Even Jerry Hall was in an episode of MWC (Season One, I believe) where Al hung out with his co-worker, Luke, and two blonde women. This show seemed promising. Dinah Manoff's hair and voice makes me think of Marcy, and her character's misfortune makes me think of Al.
I'll bet the reason it didn't sell was that notes were given on this show and Ron and Michael decided to brush them off in a nasty way, which cost them the potential show. Sorry, I see that I posted awhile back a reason why this didn't sell, so forget "I'll bet".
@@sha11235 Interesting theory. My opinion is that television wasn't ready for for a female underdog/everywoman like the one Dinah Manoff was playing. A male underdog/everyman like Al Bundy was more marketable. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen an unfortunate female character as the center of a TV show other than Amy Sedaris's character in "Strangers With Candy" (based off of a real-life woman), or maybe Julia Louis-Dreyfus' Christine in "The New Adventures of Old Christine," a show that I'm only vaguely familiar with.
@@mistercool3859 I found out something about this pilot. The network didn't want Jerry Hall in the role and Ron and Michael refused to recast, which cost them the show.
I asked Candy Azzara about this show via Facebook. She said the network didn't want Jerry Hall in the role and told them to recast it. They refused, so the network refused to pick the show up. This wasn't Fox.
It was a cute premise, and I adore Dinah Manoff. I can see why it wasn't picked up...it didn't have enough to carry it for a sustained run. Thank you for posting!
Actually, now I know more about what happened. NBC didn't like some of the casting and demanded changes, which Ron and Michael refused to do, so they played the exit card.
Really? You might want to try watching shows other than Housewives,Masked Singer and any sitcom with a laugh track. Lots of excellent television in 2024!
Nope. Sitcoms today are painfully not funny, not good, not inspired and unwatchable to anyone with a working intellect. And I do not watch housewives or singing competitions. I actually watch very little television. I only turn on my big screen for RuPaul's Drag Race, now in nearly 20 countries, each with their own batch of phenomenally talented artists. Every episode new and different than anything seen before. Music, color, dancing, fun, tears and a TON of creativity. Every episode leaves me with joy in my heart. Because everybody has fun at a drag show. It's a rule. Streaming on WOWPresentsPlus. Current US season 17 just debuted on MTV. It's gonna be a good season!
Yeah. That's unfortunate. The friendship between Dinah Manoff and that gorgeous blonde woman at the time (I don't know who she is, though) felt so perfect for me.
@Kevin Furey : She's Mick Jagger's ex-wife and currently married to publisher Rupert Murdoch. She was in the movies "Urban Cowboy" in 1980 and "Batman" in 1989.
If you can upload more of those following unsold pilots, can please do so.: Bodyguards (1994) with Kid 'N Play Boy Meets Girl (1993) with Jasmine Guy The Family Martinez (unsold pilot, 1986 from CBS (later reworked and recast as Amigos (a.k.a. Trial and Error in 1988)) Juarez (unsold pilot, 1988 from ABC) Hurricane Sam (1990) with Ben Savage Passion (1991) with Jane Seymour Word of Mouth (a.k.a. D.O.B.; a.k.a The War Room, w/ George Newbern, 8/17/1991 from CBS) New Year (w/ Stacy Keach, unsold pilot, 1993 from ABC)
Saturday 9:30, for sure. (They went with "Amen" instead.) With Wednesday 9:30 as the dark horse slot. Coincidentally, those were the time slots NBC gave to the last sitcom Moye and Leavitt sold to them, "It's Your Move."
Thanks. Jerry was good after a rocky start - it helped that they made the character sweet instead of a bitch. I wish they'd done more to build a friendship between Jerry and Dinah in the pilot. Always nice to see Dinah. I think the best part for her was the early scenes with her friend.
@@jnadle1 Because they didn't have network interference on Fox. That show almost didn't air, by the way, when they were told Al should hug his kids in the pilot. They basically called Garth, who hired them, and told him they weren't going to do that because that's not what this sitcom was about. Garth went to bat for them, otherwise that show wouldn't have seen the light of day either.
She had some talent, you can tell she's trying and she's emotes with her posture/gestures. There's just something about her line delivery that's too rigid and well... it's like she understands the premise but can't actually feel it when saying the lines.
Jerry was much better in Batman 89. Sitcom acting takes a special skill to pull off. Even someone as talented as Dinah, who was brilliant in films like Ordinary People occasionally comes off awkward delivering those lines, and pausing for the laughs.
@@citydweller99 yeah there are specific types of writers who specialize in this kind of scenes. Same like scenes that are written for an animal and a person…in those cases it the human must be very strong and highly skilled in order to carry all the weight. In other words Dinah made Jerry appear a lot stronger of an actress by proximity. That happens all the time, some call it chemistry.
Don't forget the joke while Dinah was singing “Stop in the Name of Love”. They use the same joke with Peggy in the episode “Cups Runneth Over”. They tweaked the song and the joke.
@@cityhawk Haven't seen that episode in a long time so I didn't remember it. I was thinking with that song that it would've been funny if it was Anna. Mentioned that on here already.
@@jnadle1 Well, they started out as staff writers, then moved up on Jeffersons over the years. This was how they met. And I was right about having problems with this pilot from talking to one of the actors in the pilot and she gave me some info that caused Michael and Ron to play the exit card.
I remember his from when I started watching Days of Our Lives - 1992. The infamous storyline where Vivian (Louise Sorel) buried his girlfriend, Dr. Carly Manning (Crystal Chappell) alive - in a casket with a two-way radio and a water fountain. It got me hooked on Days hahaha.
@@millenniumman75 haha. No way! I know sabatino from Knots Landing. I watched DOOL in 1993, so i missed that storyline but i loved Celeste and Stefano. Haha.
@@Mister_Listener Yeah, he and Crystal left the show together and got married. 1993-1994 was about the time they left. Vivian was rolling around on the grave, clawing at the dirt - under the influence of herbs, courtesy of Mr. Wu from Chai-nah. They got Dr. Carly out, but she had a fever, and ended up with amnesia as she and Lawrence (Sabatino) left the show.
@@Mister_Listener Vivian ended up in a sanitarium where she found Laura Horton - she had been there for 18 years. They left and everybody thought Laura was nuts - spilling all their evil plans in front of her. I loved it when she spilled the beans haha. I stopped watching in 2004 when they had a storyline about Marlena "being a serial killer" - she went after Miss Alice Horton - who was on the very first show in 1965 - and killed her by stuffing one of her famous doughnuts in her mouth. All the "dead" were sent to Melaswen (New Salem backwards) and were still alive. I was done lol. Don't mess with Alice Horton!
Oh my god. This is a young Jerry ! I am ggaaaaaaagggging! She is strikingly beautiful. Even with that ugly hairdo! ...and she isn't a bad comedian either!
@@cityhawk so was the tall blond, different married with children show, though. its the 1 al goes over to co worker's apartment as 2 flight attendents come over
God, us NYers are so rude!!!!!! I would never take a job like this. Closest I ever did was telemarketing and it could be similar to this shit, only done over the phone.
Can you send me the other unsold pilots of The Family Martinez (1986, CBS (later reworked and recast as Amigos (a.k.a. Trial and Error in 1988), Juarez (1988, ABC) Some Kinda Woman (1988, CBS), Fair Game (1989, NBC), Protect and Surf (1989, ABC), Flying Blind (1990, NBC), Passion (1991, CBS) (w/ Jane Seymour), Word of Mouth (a.k.a. D.O.B.; a.k.a. The War Room) (1991, CBS) (w/ George Newborn), Just Deserts (1992, ABC), Boy Meets Girl (1993, NBC) (w/ Jasmine Guy), Bodyguards (1993, ABC) (w/ Kid 'n Play), New Year (1993, ABC) (w/ Stacy Keach), and Related by Birth (1994, ABC, a spinoff/special of the 1991-92 sitcom Sibs), if you have it?
@@sha11235 Yes, just seen him on it's a living,last night.a funny actor, you're right, he's a very familiar face in 1970',80's and 90's television and movies.
No wisecracking kid or talking alien, so of course Brandon Tartikoff passed. No reason this couldn't have gone on the air at midseason. Hell, it should have gone on the air in the fall instead of "Easy Street." Yuck, that was a bad show. But if he hadn't passed, we probably wouldn't have gotten all those great jokes on "Married... with Children" about what a terrible network NBC was.
This is a good example of how a strong actor can actually make everyone around them rise to the occasion and appear to be a little better. The magic of good casting.
Loved the toilet paper on the shoe gag. Better than if they had her bump into a waiter and the food falls on her vagina. Also, I think Maris' couch is the one on Jeffersons.
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Originally "burned off" on July 19, 1986.
I read Jerry Hall's 2010 book, loved it. I had no idea she did a tv pilot. This is fascinating.
Thank you for posting this. It's good to see Jerry during her prime, and Dinah was a good actor who deserved a better career. It's also nice to see a carefree (seeming) era when beautiful blonde people recognised how fortunate they were compared to most of us.
Initially, I thought it was terrible, but the restaurant scene with the two yuppies was pretty good, and I like how the show sympathises with the less classically beautiful woman, whilst the blonde Texan WASPy hottie gets all the attention, just like in real life.
Agreed except for Dinah Manoff was EVERYWHERE in the late 70’s-80s-90s. She was in a ton of tv and did some movies (Grease-hello!) too. Good solid actress, pretty girl, skinny, likable, comic timing, famous Mom. Dinah has/had a great career.
@@Mister_Listener She did well. Don't get me wrong. I just think she should have been even more prominent. I remember her from Ordinary People. I think she's only in one scene, but she's absolutely heartbreaking, and I think she deserved, at the very least, an Oscar nomination for that particular performance.
@@GregOrCreg oh yeah i forgot she was in that!! I re-watched SOAP and had forgotten how weird her plot was, and she also had a tear jerker tragic death bed scene there!
Dinah Manoff also played Carol,Dr Harry Weston's(Richard Mulligan) daughter on the popular Golden Girls' spin off Empty Nest.
I was 12 in ‘86 and I wouldn’t have missed an episode if they’d made it.
The very first scene of this pilot was recycled for the Married... with Children episode where it was Peg's birthday and Al went bra shopping for her. Even Jerry Hall was in an episode of MWC (Season One, I believe) where Al hung out with his co-worker, Luke, and two blonde women. This show seemed promising. Dinah Manoff's hair and voice makes me think of Marcy, and her character's misfortune makes me think of Al.
I'll bet the reason it didn't sell was that notes were given on this show and Ron and Michael decided to brush them off in a nasty way, which cost them the potential show. Sorry, I see that I posted awhile back a reason why this didn't sell, so forget "I'll bet".
@@sha11235 Interesting theory. My opinion is that television wasn't ready for for a female underdog/everywoman like the one Dinah Manoff was playing. A male underdog/everyman like Al Bundy was more marketable. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen an unfortunate female character as the center of a TV show other than Amy Sedaris's character in "Strangers With Candy" (based off of a real-life woman), or maybe Julia Louis-Dreyfus' Christine in "The New Adventures of Old Christine," a show that I'm only vaguely familiar with.
@@mistercool3859 I found out something about this pilot. The network didn't want Jerry Hall in the role and Ron and Michael refused to recast, which cost them the show.
This should have been picked up. There was a lot of potential here. What a shame!
I asked Candy Azzara about this show via Facebook. She said the network didn't want Jerry Hall in the role and told them to recast it. They refused, so the network refused to pick the show up. This wasn't Fox.
Thanks for your channel!
It was a cute premise, and I adore Dinah Manoff. I can see why it wasn't picked up...it didn't have enough to carry it for a sustained run. Thank you for posting!
Actually, now I know more about what happened. NBC didn't like some of the casting and demanded changes, which Ron and Michael refused to do, so they played the exit card.
Candy Anzara from Easy Money and 1st Gloria Stivic all in the family pilot
So this was between It's Your Move and Married with Children.
That's right.
Yeah, Ms Hall's character has a problem: whoever thought that her blue dress was " becoming " to her...LIED.
Crap from 40 years ago would be pure gold now in comparison with what is currently made.
Really?
You might want to try watching shows other than Housewives,Masked Singer and any sitcom with a laugh track.
Lots of excellent television in 2024!
Nope. Sitcoms today are painfully not funny, not good, not inspired and unwatchable to anyone with a working intellect. And I do not watch housewives or singing competitions. I actually watch very little television. I only turn on my big screen for RuPaul's Drag Race, now in nearly 20 countries, each with their own batch of phenomenally talented artists. Every episode new and different than anything seen before. Music, color, dancing, fun, tears and a TON of creativity. Every episode leaves me with joy in my heart. Because everybody has fun at a drag show. It's a rule. Streaming on WOWPresentsPlus. Current US season 17 just debuted on MTV. It's gonna be a good season!
You may remember, Dinah Manoff from "SOAP" and as Kristy McNichols' sister on "Empty Nest".
She has a very prominent Brooklyn accent (her hometown)!🤔🤨
LMAFO that's Brock😂🎉
I love this pilot. Shame it didn't turn out to be a TV show what so ever.
I have the feeling it was due to the creators having problems with NBC. Look who they are.
Yeah. That's unfortunate. The friendship between Dinah Manoff and that gorgeous blonde woman at the time (I don't know who she is, though) felt so perfect for me.
@@Kevin-xv9pm Jerry Hall. She was a model.
@@sha11235 Jerry Hall? Never heard of her. Is she still an actress (besides as a model) today?
@Kevin Furey : She's Mick Jagger's ex-wife and currently married to publisher Rupert Murdoch. She was in the movies "Urban Cowboy" in 1980 and "Batman" in 1989.
That was cute!
Dinah was much better off opposite Kristy McNicole in Empty Nest anyway.
True
I saw that pilot, i thought it was hilarious.
Dinah looks so good in that black dress
The best theme song to a non-picked up sitcom in American television history.
At 18:43, isn't that the guy who played the ex-husband of Reba?
Yes, Chris Rich.
Definitely had potential.
If you can upload more of those following unsold pilots, can please do so.:
Bodyguards (1994) with Kid 'N Play
Boy Meets Girl (1993) with Jasmine Guy
The Family Martinez (unsold pilot, 1986 from CBS (later reworked and recast as Amigos (a.k.a. Trial and Error in 1988))
Juarez (unsold pilot, 1988 from ABC)
Hurricane Sam (1990) with Ben Savage
Passion (1991) with Jane Seymour
Word of Mouth (a.k.a. D.O.B.; a.k.a The War Room, w/ George Newbern, 8/17/1991 from CBS)
New Year (w/ Stacy Keach, unsold pilot, 1993 from ABC)
Was this before or after Empty Nest? I wonder which night they were looking to put it on? Timing (and lead ins) really are everything!
Before. It is from 1986. Look at the copyright year.
This was 2 years prior.
Saturday 9:30, for sure. (They went with "Amen" instead.) With Wednesday 9:30 as the dark horse slot. Coincidentally, those were the time slots NBC gave to the last sitcom Moye and Leavitt sold to them, "It's Your Move."
This was between Silver Spoons, It's Your Move and Married... with Children.
No, it was after It's Your Move. IYM was 1984 to 85 and this is from 1986.
Christopher Rich…love it.
Thanks. Jerry was good after a rocky start - it helped that they made the character sweet instead of a bitch. I wish they'd done more to build a friendship between Jerry and Dinah in the pilot. Always nice to see Dinah. I think the best part for her was the early scenes with her friend.
With some minor tweaks this would have been a good show. Susan Harris as a producer should have made it a hit.
but keep the embassy television as the production along with witt thomas.
She recycled Manoff into Empty Nest which was a great show.
The thing was who the creators were and I think they didn't get along with the network. They had problems with It's Your Move and probably this too.
@@sha11235 It wasn't until they produced Married with Children that they had a slight hit on their hands.
@@jnadle1 Because they didn't have network interference on Fox. That show almost didn't air, by the way, when they were told Al should hug his kids in the pilot. They basically called Garth, who hired them, and told him they weren't going to do that because that's not what this sitcom was about. Garth went to bat for them, otherwise that show wouldn't have seen the light of day either.
Manoff is a treasure. Lee Grant's daughter.
Jerry Hall. Pretty but no talent. Manoff carried the show. She’s a professional.
She had some talent, you can tell she's trying and she's emotes with her posture/gestures. There's just something about her line delivery that's too rigid and well... it's like she understands the premise but can't actually feel it when saying the lines.
She sets up the joke and Manoff delivers the punchline. And I think she's playing a spacy model
Jerry was much better in Batman 89. Sitcom acting takes a special skill to pull off. Even someone as talented as Dinah, who was brilliant in films like Ordinary People occasionally comes off awkward delivering those lines, and pausing for the laughs.
she was perfect in this role, it couldnt have been done better by anyone
@@citydweller99 yeah there are specific types of writers who specialize in this kind of scenes. Same like scenes that are written for an animal and a person…in those cases it the human must be very strong and highly skilled in order to carry all the weight. In other words Dinah made Jerry appear a lot stronger of an actress by proximity. That happens all the time, some call it chemistry.
From the creators of "Married...with Children".
Cute pilot show. Might have worked as a series.
Tell him his pail is rusty. That's pre-Married with Children right there!!!!!
Don't forget the joke while Dinah was singing “Stop in the Name of Love”. They use the same joke with Peggy in the episode “Cups Runneth Over”. They tweaked the song and the joke.
@@cityhawk Haven't seen that episode in a long time so I didn't remember it. I was thinking with that song that it would've been funny if it was Anna. Mentioned that on here already.
Why do I have the feeling this pilot didn't sell because Moye and Leavitt had creative differences with NBC?
No wonder they left that network and went to FOX instead. Although, I admit, they were understudies for The Jeffersons.
@@jnadle1 They were hired at Fox by Garth Ancier, who knew them from NBC and knew they were good. That's how they got to Fox.
@@jnadle1 Well, they started out as staff writers, then moved up on Jeffersons over the years. This was how they met. And I was right about having problems with this pilot from talking to one of the actors in the pilot and she gave me some info that caused Michael and Ron to play the exit card.
The couch Maris has I think came from Jeffersons.
Do you have the unsold pilot Some Kinda Woman (1988), Classic TV & More?
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Michael Sabatino plays the “hot” guy at the end.
I remember his from when I started watching Days of Our Lives - 1992. The infamous storyline where Vivian (Louise Sorel) buried his girlfriend, Dr. Carly Manning (Crystal Chappell) alive - in a casket with a two-way radio and a water fountain. It got me hooked on Days hahaha.
@@millenniumman75 haha. No way! I know sabatino from Knots Landing. I watched DOOL in 1993, so i missed that storyline but i loved Celeste and Stefano. Haha.
@@Mister_Listener Yeah, he and Crystal left the show together and got married. 1993-1994 was about the time they left. Vivian was rolling around on the grave, clawing at the dirt - under the influence of herbs, courtesy of Mr. Wu from Chai-nah. They got Dr. Carly out, but she had a fever, and ended up with amnesia as she and Lawrence (Sabatino) left the show.
@@millenniumman75 that is patently absurd. Haha. But i love it! Dont change the channel!!!
@@Mister_Listener Vivian ended up in a sanitarium where she found Laura Horton - she had been there for 18 years. They left and everybody thought Laura was nuts - spilling all their evil plans in front of her. I loved it when she spilled the beans haha.
I stopped watching in 2004 when they had a storyline about Marlena "being a serial killer" - she went after Miss Alice Horton - who was on the very first show in 1965 - and killed her by stuffing one of her famous doughnuts in her mouth. All the "dead" were sent to Melaswen (New Salem backwards) and were still alive. I was done lol. Don't mess with Alice Horton!
Oh my god. This is a young Jerry !
I am ggaaaaaaagggging!
She is strikingly beautiful. Even with that ugly hairdo!
...and she isn't a bad comedian either!
This definitely has the feel of early MwC, doesn't it?
A bit.
with out saying who created the show, you knew the where from married with children, the used the same music oldies joke
I wish the song had been Anna.
I just thought the same thing.
Cups Runneth Over was the episode the joke was recycled.
@@cityhawk so was the tall blond, different married with children show, though. its the 1 al goes over to co worker's apartment as 2 flight attendents come over
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too bad, that woulda been a hit.
I think this would have been a fun show.
I'll bet the creators had difficulties with the network. Found out I was right.
God, us NYers are so rude!!!!!! I would never take a job like this. Closest I ever did was telemarketing and it could be similar to this shit, only done over the phone.
They could have spent less money on the opening credits and used it on Jerry Hall's acting coach.
Can you send me the other unsold pilots of The Family Martinez (1986, CBS (later reworked and recast as Amigos (a.k.a. Trial and Error in 1988), Juarez (1988, ABC) Some Kinda Woman (1988, CBS), Fair Game (1989, NBC), Protect and Surf (1989, ABC), Flying Blind (1990, NBC), Passion (1991, CBS) (w/ Jane Seymour), Word of Mouth (a.k.a. D.O.B.; a.k.a. The War Room) (1991, CBS) (w/ George Newborn), Just Deserts (1992, ABC), Boy Meets Girl (1993, NBC) (w/ Jasmine Guy), Bodyguards (1993, ABC) (w/ Kid 'n Play), New Year (1993, ABC) (w/ Stacy Keach), and Related by Birth (1994, ABC, a spinoff/special of the 1991-92 sitcom Sibs), if you have it?
Hey, Earl Boen is the waiter!!!!!!
And he once played a chef on it's a living, talk about being demoted!.
@@josephcalderon906 He had a long list of credits. Always nice to see him. May he RIP.
@@sha11235 Yes, just seen him on it's a living,last night.a funny actor, you're right, he's a very familiar face in 1970',80's and 90's television and movies.
Another famous extra...
Kind a reminds me of 2 Broke Girls, but way different...
Wouldn't it have been funny if the song was Anna at the beginning?
Leftover pieces from the "One Day at a Time" set !
No wisecracking kid or talking alien, so of course Brandon Tartikoff passed. No reason this couldn't have gone on the air at midseason. Hell, it should have gone on the air in the fall instead of "Easy Street." Yuck, that was a bad show. But if he hadn't passed, we probably wouldn't have gotten all those great jokes on "Married... with Children" about what a terrible network NBC was.
I know what caused it not to be sold. Problems the network had with the casting and Ron and Michael refused and played the exit card.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Jerry Hall makes great actress
A bit overdone... but it wasn't bad. I think I'd have probably watched it. The Motown stuff in the beginning was so worn out...
Ron and Michael were geniuses with shows.
yeahhhhhh........Jerry Hall Can't Act. Sorry🤨🤨
I have to agree,jerry's the amateur, and dinah's definitely the old pro!.
This is a good example of how a strong actor can actually make everyone around them rise to the occasion and appear to be a little better. The magic of good casting.
I thought she was pretty entertaining and funny
Loved the toilet paper on the shoe gag. Better than if they had her bump into a waiter and the food falls on her vagina. Also, I think Maris' couch is the one on Jeffersons.
What is the significance of the food on her vagina that you are suggesting? That would only work if this was an all nude sitcom, no? 😂
Fantasy TV that I hate. Shit like this never happens in real life, but we are suppose to feel good for the winners (born lucky).
Laugh track makes it unwatchable.
Jerry Hall seems like she took acting classes by the people that wax the floors at night .