Grand Design 2021 Momentum 25G, we have a problem and its not the trailer.
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Quick video of the Grand Design 25G momentum toy hauler and what we found after buying it and expecting to haul with our GMC Seirra1500. I was going to equip the truck with air bags and E rated tires but nothing changes the fact that we were over the trucks payload (GVWR), over the hitch capacity, and over the max tow rating (GCWR). Yes I could have made it work but not worth risking a serious accident so I traded it in on a Chevy 2500 Duramax. Now the numbers work with plenty to spare.
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Nearly 6 min video on how you bought a trailer too heavy for your truck. So now you gotta go get a bigger truck. unbelievable. I find this a very smooth tactic on how to get around getting a full upgrade without your wife being too upset. Perfect video blaming it on the trailer. 😅😅😅
People also tend to forget that water is 8.25lbs per gallon, and these things can hold 100 gallons of fresh water, and even more with the gray and black tanks in use. Great video, warning folks to do the math.
Man THANK YOU!!! for doing this video. It is so needed. I am one of the dreaded "Weight Police". If people would just look at the "Yellow and White" payload sticker on the door frame of any truck, it would save so many people so many headaches and accidents. Max tow means nothing. Payload number rules every time!!!! Relaxed confident towing is so worth it. Watch out for 3/4 tons. So many of them only have 2000-2200 payload when you get the high trim levels. Best to move on up to a SRW 1 Ton in my opinion. And dually if your carrying much weight.
This is why I ended up getting a GAS 3/4 tons (mine is 3100lbs payload) instead of 1ton diesel.
My 250 SuperDuty diesel would be happy to pull that trailer.
Thank you for your honesty, I am a volunteer firefighter in eastern Washington and a call we had last summer was to cut a family out of their half ton pickup pulling a 30 camper. Fortunately the family was ok but both the pickup and trailer were totaled. The way I figured is he had sway bars for the trailer but they were not in use at the time of the accident, probably got compliant and figured they would be ok for the day. Weather was nice, no curves, roadway was perfect, it just cut loose and tail swing got them.
I hate salesman that do that to the unexpected customers (victims)!
towing moving forward is very different than going down a 8% grade stuck behind a slow moving rig. Whatever truck you have it's your transmission that has to handle slowing you down , unless you think you can ride the brakes, now you've burnt out your brakes. You have to do the GVWR math!
This is a great video you put together! I have a 3/4 ton RAM 2500 Cummings and my payload capacity is limited for the most part to travel trailers. Dealers say you can pull 5th wheels, no I can't, safely! Appreciate your honesty! Beautiful mountains in the background.
Safely...exactly!
I agree with you. I tow a 32' thats 8600 gvwr and about 700lb tongue and its a lot for an f150, mostly because of people passing on the hwy and wind.
Have a 19 ram 1500... and was hopefully it would tow a 21g... I knew the hitch weights were too high on the 23 and 25... but even without a generator, hitchvweight is like 950, 1100 with it. Sucks not even the 21g is not safe loaded up with camping gear with a 1500
I have a Ford F150 with max tow and payload and I chose to go with a 21G for all the reasons you outline. It works nicely but I almost made the same mistake you did.
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong! We did pretty much the same thing, but with a travel trailer that is about 2,000 lbs lighter dry weight than yours. We were pulling it with a 1/2 ton Yukon XL with a 5.3L and were over the specs of the Yukon. We switched to a 2014 Ram 2500 with 5.7L Hemi and the increase in stability and the feeling of safety is night and day. It now feels like truck is in control of the trailer instead of the other way around.
Sir, my 3/4 ton is rated at 12,500 lbs. Why are you using a half ton?
Yes, THANK YOU VERY MUCH for making this video! Considering your level of experience being a fully endorsed CDL-A driver, for you to have been able to make such a misstep means that I most definitely would have done the same or, inevitably, worse. I will be purchasing truck and camper very soon, and you've probably just saved me thousands of dollars, a potential accident, and/or future trips with a lot of "white knuckling." Thanks again!
Also a CDL here. My 2017 f250 tows my fully loaded just fine..... AFTER I added air springs. I wouldn't recommend NOT having at least over loads in combination with the best load leveler hitch. It is a tall unit and the wind can really grab it. I do love the high ceilings!
Awesome video! Thank you! I’m thinking about the 25G, 28G or maybe 29G…all seem to have benefits and drawbacks..like anything, there is no silver bullet. Thanks again!
Very awesome of you to be so honest. Thanks!!
We purchased a 2023 Chevy 2500HD w/6.6L V-8 gas last spring after towing our 2023 GD Imagine 2670MK home with our 2017 F-150 W/5.0L V-8. I now have 3508 pounds of truck cargo capacity. The Chevy made a night and day difference in towing stability on the road. I miss the fuel economy of our F-150 while towing. It's not horrible with our 2500HD, but the 34 gal fuel tank is just a bit too small for our long-distance towing than we were used to stopping for fuel. One never wants to see the yellow light come on for low fuel when you still have 30 miles to go. Another issue is truck stops need better access to gasoline pumps for those towing an RV instead of making you compete with the commuters crammed in that park at the pump & go inside for a Polar Pop, Argh, LOL. Cheers, Davey
I hear ya buddy, I had a 2017 GMC 1/2 ton and it was rated at 11,800. They certified my truck at the RV dealer when I bought the trailer to pull it so I believed them, first trip to Moab thru the mountains of Colorado and was I ever wrong, we were crawling up the the mountain and being pushed down the other side! Scary, so we now have a Duramax. I know better now, but it hurt me all the way around too! I loved my GMC, live and learn! Good video. Stay safe!
This is what happened to me. :-( I'm sooooo bummed. Dealer cleared me with my RAM 1500 and now I have to face some really bummer decisions. :-(
I just upgraded from a 2011 F150 3.5 EcoBoost to a 2022 F350 SRW with the 7.3. Pulling a 28 ft 6700lb TT. Only 1343lb payload on the 150 3812 on the 350. I thought the 150 pulled the trailer good but the 350 has so much more control of the trailer. And the 48 gallon gas tank is awesome unless you're filling it from empty lol.
Dang Dude,
I'm in the same boat, with a 29G and my Sierra 1500 SLT. And a 800lb. Can Am spyder.
I'm also a Class A cdl driver on the east coast.
It's a sad feeling, but the tow police is always correct.On the subject of towing 1/2 tons trucks and 8,000+ on travel trailers. Probably shouldn't go beyond 6500lb. Now my pocket will get a hard hit. If we can find a 3500 HD Duramax diesel engine, may have to get the work truck. Without the bells and whistles. Your honesty is heart felt and thanks for getting the correct message out.
I towed a Jayco SLX324BDS (weighs 8100lbs) with my Sierra that had a 5.3 and 8-speed. Not a problem other than beating on the engine and getting a mere 7mpg. RPMS would run in the 4k range on steep hills.
Yes more videos please. I just bought the 25g, sold my 2019 f150 3.5 eco and bought a f250 power stroke. Also my 4 seater general side by side fits in it (barely) it is tight but it does fit. Picking the trailer up this Wednesday hopefully after completing lithium upgrade.
Just saw your video. Great job! We just purchased a 21G and we can certainly feel it behind our 1/2 ton Chevy. Did you upgrade to a gas 3/4 ton or diesel?
Diesel
Same thing happened with my 28g and 2500 Ram Diesel. 😮 Never would have guessed I needed a 3500..
What hitch are you using now and can you open the tailgate with it?
I can not open tailgate because it will hit the electric jack before it will hit the hitch.
@@tetradgroup Can you open the gate with the weigh safe hitch? If so can you back up and use the weigh safe hitch on switch back roads?
Pro rider hitch not gonna help to feel save ?
Question : is the 1360 lbs hitch weight with the toy hauler loaded up and with tanks full? Thank you very much for making a video from an owner perspective
I laugh at the max tow ratings of these new half tons. It’s down right scary they would option them with such aggressive numbers.
I'm a die hard Chevy guy and a 20+ year trucker. But in my opinion the durajunk sucks. I luv the Cummins HO that's the only reason I got the ram 3500. It pulls the 31G like it ain't even back there. I was thinking about upgrading to the 353G
I did the same before seeing this video.an u r right u can't pull it safely.so go get a man truck 3/4 or 1 ton. Then u don't have to take a chance.
I’m going through the same walk of shame. I have a 2020 Dodge Ram 1500 with the 5.7 Hemi towing a momentum G21, wrong!
As you said, the dealers said, “no problem “ . Now I’m forced to sell the momentum, because the cost to buy a new truck out weighs the lost I will have in selling the momentum.
I'm sorry to hear that, I loved the momentum more than I loved my GMC and one had to go. So I completely understand but if anyway you could get another truck you would be happy with the momentum no doubt.
@@tetradgroup
It’s for sale, if you know any one who would like it, just like new.
@@chestercwright6070I'm sure you won't have any problem selling it.
Was your 21G loaded down heavy when towing? Sold our Stellar toy hauler 7000lb and planning to get the 21G. I have 2015 Ram 1500. Had no problem towing the Stellar, even in mountains.
@@toyhaulen The G21 had a normal load, but after doing a lot of investigation I think the problem was with the tire size, but the G21 is still up for sale if you’re interested.
I wish I saw this before purchasing our 28G a couple months ago. I am pulling it with my dream truck, a '19 RAM 1500 Limited. I never planned on selling it and now.... :-( Either get rid of my new trailer (if possible with the dealership), or get rid of my dream truck. Shit....
I don't even have a trailer but I've learned something. I do hope I do get one in another year. I am going to live in mine. Lol
I'm in the same boat and I bought the 21G figuring 7500 loaded. It wasn't fun driving home with it empty in the 1500. So 2500 on order. These trailers with the height they have just push you around with any sort of wind. I loved my 1500 like you do but I'm sure I will like the 2500.
Thanks for being honest. Let’s hope people listen to you.
That's why I walked away the Momentum 21g weight 7800-8000 empty actual. 1200 lb tongue weight Dry. The numbers where way off from the website. I purchased a Adrenaline 23LT 980LBS tongue weight but 5800lbs dry.
The same thing, I had a 2014 F150 with 6.2 gas, and my trailer, 2018 Keystone Outback 266RB, Dry weight is 6700, loaded, 8300. Yea, I found out as you did. Tongue weight is 950 with a trailer loaded, and with a truck and the family, yep over. Plus the transmission could not handle the weight, overheat issues. Traded the truck for a new 2018 RAM 2500, 6.4 Gas, 8ft bed. Great towing and the RAM has coiled read suspension. I don't even use the tow mode on this RAM and can use the cruise control. The specs on the RAM are 19,800 GCWR, and a Max trailer of 12,800. Yea, yea, no diesel, I don't drive enough on the open road to justify the maintenance cost of a diesel. My truck is used mostly in town. You know what I am talking about.
We love our dmax and it pulls like nobodys business
How does your 2019 2500HD handle this trailer?
Thanks!
World of difference, sometimes I forget that it's behind me.
Thanks for the video, hope it helps other on deciding their tow package.
Recently sold our class C to go back to a travel trailer. Grand design is one the manufacturer we've been looking at.
How's your momentum 25 holding up? TIA
I'm about to buy this same trailer but I have a Ram 2500 with the Cummins. Think I'll be ok with the 3/4 ton with this trailer? I plan on throwing the airbags on as well.
You will forget its back there with the Cummins 2500
@@tetradgroup Thanks for getting back to me. So another legit question if you don't mind. I'm literally about the pull the trigger on the 25G but is there a case to be made for either the 21G or 23G from a towing perspective? My question is: Do you think I will notice the difference in pulling and backing this 31' trailer vs the 28 or 26 footers? I like the bathroom layout better on the 25G but another main reason I am choosing it is it is the only one at the dealer with the generator already in it. To me that is the game-changer.
@@carltuckerson7718 this trailer is so easy to back, think itz the perfect size and I promise you want the built in generator, makes life so much easier.
I wish I would have watched this video before making the exact same mistake just different toy hauler. Can pull it, just alot of sway even with a kit. I wanna keep my truck so thinking of getting rid of the trailer
Hello, in one of your other videos you mentioned a fix for the 3 season doors? do you have a video of that? Thanks
They actually require constant attention but I do have a patch for the gaps, I'll try to video that this week. Thanks for asking.
How do you like your Curt TrueTrack w/d 17501 hitch?
We just got a 2021 Momentum 21G. I have an F250 6.2 gas. It pulls it fine, but there is a cost… seven to eight miles per gallon. None of the Momentum class RVs are able to tow with a half ton truck, period. Too tall, too heavy.
You are right about 7 to 8 mpg
Even with a 3/4 ton truck the Curt hitch is junk... its a cheap entry level design. If you want safety and handling get the Blue Ox Sway Pro at minimum or a Hensley.
There aren’t any tow police. It’s just folks who made mistakes and try to warn people off their unsafe decision.
I picked up a 2022 21G and Refrigerator doesn't Work from DAY ONE 🙃 Still no call from the manufacturer or Dealership . Maybe they just don't CARE??
Toy Haulers are WAY to heavy for a half-ton truck (Payload). If you're going to trailer a REAL trailer, get a 3/4-ton or better.
Before you even started the video i could see the problem. I've looked at these, even the
the 21G and realized right away with the smaller one id be maxing out my half ton, no matter what the decal says on the side yours is probably 11000lbs while my titan is 9300, both basically the ssme trucks, sure mine will tow it all day long but safely? The 25G is that much bigger and heavier and I'd only consider it with a much heavier TRUCK. STEALERSHIPS lie for the sale, car manufactures over exaggerate inflate their numbers, even using their j2 whatever system they use to calculate towing capability.
more momentum videos please
Thank you, that's all I needed was a little motivation!
Should have bought a Ford.
@@micahwood724 a Ford would definitely pull it however I need something more reliable. Can't afford to have it in the shop all the time.
appreciate your honesty and educating people tnx
Hate to say it but I’m in the same boat. 3.5L Ecoboost (in my opinion) pulls great up to 65-70mph but the truck just doesn’t have enough mass to safely control that much weight behind it, especially during an emergency evasive maneuver. My trailer weighs about 10,500lbs on the scale with a Goldwing, 100G of fresh water and 30G of gas on board (and luggage and stuff in the fridge). My truck weighs roughly 5500lbs empty
My experience exactly, I could pull it but control over 60mph was a bit sketchy and scary. I'm currently on my first trip with the Chevy 2500 and what a difference. I hit 80mph a few times by accident because I forget the trailer was behind me, full of gas and water. Although more expensive it was well worth the upgrade.
Same here-2020 momentum 28G, was towing with a 19 Ram 1500 rated for 11,200 but only 1430 payload. It was fine under 60-65, anything above it was sketchy as hell. I’m used to driving heavy things, class B CDL drove tri axle dumps for years grossing 70k. Just bought a 21 Ram 2500 Cummins. No comparison. Hated to do it because I loved my half ton, but safety for my family is priority.
How's the 2500HD handling the trailer?
World of difference, sometimes forget its even behind me.
No way half ton towable. You need a 2500 series. You don't have enough suspension on a half ton truck
Not the "tow police" but you lost me and I stopped the video at "nobody told me it has a hitch weight of 1300 pounds." Please. People you have to educate yourselves and not depend on salesmen BS. Their job is to sell not to educate.
Was lookin at a 21 g with a half ton and a few dirtbikes. Your opinion?
So your saying if I buy the 25g class.. Take it once with the family with my Half ton.. shake my wife boots for a second. Then Get the green light to get a full ton… Nice
That's exactly what will happen! Good luck and let me know what truck you end up with.