So, it’s interesting how Brandon officially speaks for every atheist in the world. It’s as if all atheists think exactly alike. Also, if you cannot prove for a fact there is no God then how do you know there is no sin? Especially when you claim that atheism is not a belief, how do you know for a fact that there is no sin when you cannot prove for a fact that there is no God?
That is a genuine argument I have heard from them, at least in spirit. I guess it kind of goes back to Pascal's Wager? The whole "what if you're wrong" angle.
It’s crazy to me that there are Christians out there who commit the same “sins” over and over again but then say “it’s ok I’ll ask for forgiveness right before I die”
@@tandrew651 I'm an atheist and I tend to agree with you. I have never heard a Christian friend make that blatantly self-serving claim. But they (you?) DO ask for forgiveness on a regular, on-going basis and they persuade themselves that that will do. All the Christians I know - quite a few! - of whatever stripe, no matter how "worthless" and "sinful" they will freely/cheerfully admit to being, think that they are going to heaven. Not a single one actually thinks that s/he will end up anywhere else. That's how it works; that's the grift, if you like.
I fought alcoholism while a Christian and got almost no help from the church and prayers went unanswered and my behavior was bad.. negative, sometimes mean and very angry. The answers I got from friends was "just stop". Gee, THAT never occurred to me 🙄 It took me to go outside the church for help and got sober with no higher power. Over 16 years later, I'm a way better person than I was and much more happy..and guess what? I "sin" waaaay less than when I supposedly had Jesus as my "power".
I went to AA open meetings to support my ex and found that those who did not acknowledge a higher power worked harder, took more responsibility for their actions on an ongoing basis. Not bashing the twelve steps and this was just one group, but I did notice a difference there. No magic safety net?
@maggienewton8518 exactly... If you just work the steps, that works. You know the saying, "it works if you work it" is absolutely true. I bounced in and out of AA for years, finally getting sober because I got sick of living in slavery to a substance. I used the group as my "higher power", because they actually talked to me 😂 Those who don't focus on personal growth and reflection don't heal... They just get caught up into another system of "right and wrong" behavior and never get beyond being "thirsty".
@@GreenCanvasInteriorscape 😂 that's actually funny because about 5 years into my sobriety, my wife and I tried out an episcopal church and during Communion they served real wine where we were used to grape juice as Evangelicals. When I put it up to my mouth I smelled it and put it down.. almost got me Satan 😂😂
That infuriates me when Christians say this, I always respond with "if I wanted to just sin, I'd become a Christian". What a great way to just shift personal responsibility away from you, than to just repent and feel absolved. Instead, when I make a mistake (I can't sin since I don't believe in divine law), I have to take personal responsibility and reconcile with my guilt and conscience.
Many christians unironically believe Dahmer is in heaven now because he converted and accepted jesus during his last days after all the killings. Seems to me you can just sin as much as you want and then "accept jesus" to absolve yourself off it all and get rid of responsibility.
@@Kaledrone Exactly. So, all those priests (you know the ones I'm talking about) are going to heaven but I'm not? And yet **I** just want to sin? Sounds like all the good people are in hell.
I remember hearing someone say that demonic activity doesn’t happen much in developed countries because the devils worried he’d scare them back to Jesus
If Adam & Eve didn't have the knowledge of good & evil before eating the fruit of Knowledge, then they could not have sinned through their disobedience, because they would not have known it was wrong. My kid is reading the Bible for the first time & his assessment is that OT God should have fenced off the trees before hand - never trust clever pets to refrain from a good treat.
Even when I was a kid and a believer, I was disturbed by how some people sinned - according to their beliefs- knowing they could just go to confession and be all clear for another week.
AronRa has a funny video about how religious people get everything backwards. "Sin" is offending God. We have no evidence that god exists, so "sin" is a victimless crime, as we see it.
Given the same attributes claimed by the believers, absolutely. Given the shown attributes, not as much, but still possible. As I am in reality, probably not, but can't do anywhere near the harm either
A conversation with my Christian brother after I left the faith: Him: "So why did you leave? Did you just want to sin?" Me: "I don't really do anything different now..." [awkward silence]
I tend to see the conversation go like this: "I want the truth, and I can't find anything that shows god is true" "you just want to sin" "no, I want truth, I literally just said that"
If you simply repent of your sins and receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you can know for sure Jesus and the Bible are true when you become born again.
@@Jesuslordoflords-y4m how can one repent of sin when sin doesn't exist? Go ahead, keep chastising yourself for being a dirty sinner, but don't try and bring non-gullible people along with you.
One of the biggest reliefs of leaving Christianity is no longer judging everyone you come in contact with as either a good-enough Christian or someone who needs to be evangelized. Christians would say that not wanting to think like that is sinful so therefore you want to sin. Meanwhile, I care more about people in a real way now than I did back then.
I'm sorry, but this "job" you offered me promised many things, like the Noah and the Ark happened, I would only see great things, I would be loved, and whatever I ask will come to me... I'm sorry, but during this "Job", I found out the Ark was made up with no actual proof, despite countless people saying "They Found It" but then refused to show me or anyone else (also, two of every creature? In 40 days? So how did Noah go to antarctic to get penguins or polar bears? How did he get all the way to these other continents with no map or known knowledge of the land? What about the sub species? What about bugs?), I literally cried at night begging this god to give me a loving family when i was abused, starved, and hated in this time? And this boss of yours promised me he loved me... Only if I listened. And i did listen. But no. The same exact thing my parents said. Know what both did? Ignored me and let me suffer So uh Im sorry, but this job isn't ok and you need to seek help.
I left a cult to care for my mom who was dying from lung and brain cancer, and I was shunned and told that i was a POS for leaving the church. No hate like christian love. She was a good person and I think that being a good person is more important than being a Christian
"I think that being a good person is more important than being a Christian"? And yet what is your standard of good? If you are setting your own standard, then the "standard bar" will be moved at your own discretion." I know for myself from experiences in my life that I set my own good standards to my own limited understanding of what good truly was. Good is moral perfection. And no one has attained that. (Romans 3:10-12) "“The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?" (Jeremiah 17:9) We desperately need the Savior Jesus to forgive and cleanse us from all our sin (missing the mark of perfection). For our own self righteousness will prove over time to be just a lie.
@@christophergibson7155 You're right. The 'good' and 'perfect' that we should strive toward is set forth in the holy text of the religion. To be good one must hate LGBTQ people and deny them full humanity and human dignity. to be good one must see women as little more than brood chattel, and desire and support laws that force 10 and 145 year old rape and incest victims to carry the product to term. To be good one must turn away the non-white, and non-Christian immigrant from your borders because they are an "infestation". One demonstrates their spiritual maturity in the eyes of the "Savior Jesus" by condoning child molestation and sexual assault by clergy, and by your New Messiah. Or by opposing trying to promote diversity, equity, and inclusion in our society. I'll take my "imperfect" morality over the so-called perfect morality of the bible and your Savior Jesus.
@stevenbolin7688 Gosh, disturbing how the church accused you just because you stopped to attend church to take care of your mother. I can deduct they we're interested in extract tithes from you.
Brandon, I’ve been watching your channel for a while and went through quite a bit of the secular Bible study series with you as it was coming out. I’ve been on the slow but steady path to deconstruction for about 3 years now, but your channel really helped me understand WHY Christianity had stopped making sense to me. I used to be very upset when my family members would accuse me of this specifically, especially because my parents were rather cruel when I attempted to come out over a decade ago. They’ve tried to use every reason in the apologetics playbook to get me back to the faith. But your videos have both kept me persisting through deconstructing and further reaffirmed my knowledge that what I’d been taught growing up was wrong. Thanks for all you do-even when you’re out of town :)
I wanted my strength to grow in God. I wanted it so bad that I went above the pastors head and went to the people who go to seminary and are New testament scholars,to get the most accurate information. I found out the pastors were not being honest or clear with their messages. My faith went away because I looked into the Bible more than I ever have before. I am way more interested in it as an atheist than I was a Christian.
Why didn't you study the Holy Bible yourself instead of "trusting" some scholars? First things first....YOU need Jesus in your life. Without Him nothing will make sense.
You need to do what the Bible says and repent of your sins. If you don't obey the gospel you won't see any change. Give it another try and this time just obey the gospel and become born again.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the other replies here seem to completely misunderstand your point due to inherent bias. My understanding was that once you consulted scholars and studied the Bible with that additional context, you realized that your pastor had been feeding you a "sanitized" or agenda-driven interpretation of the scripture. In effect, figuring out what the Bible actually says made you stop believing it, right?
The part of this that gets me streamed is when they add in the other "you must have never known God/believed in the first place" to this argument to make themselves feel better/safer. I had to have a conversation about how insulting that is with a friend. You don't cry on your knees in the middle of a woods alone to a God you never believed in. You don't willingly give up time, work, and money to something you don't think has any value. I spent multiple days a week with this person for YEARS in church and groups and he still said "well if you aren't sinning in X way it's because the devil isn't attacking you as he has you" and "you never believed" and "you hate God and want to sin" that's perfect love-telling me what I think, know, and feel.
That bit about, “The devil isn’t tempting you because he already has you,” is so hilarious to me now. Like - so the devil has me, yet I’m living an honest, morally good life like Jesus supposedly taught (kind of!), so god’s just going to write me off anyway? Really?! That’s just more evidence of how corrupt and evil such a god would be, if it were real.
When I was a member of a VERY fundy church, the minister told a story of a former member who left the group. When the minister dropped by to see the X follower, the man had " tattoos, long hair & beard, was smoking and drinking a beer!!!" The man invited the minister in for the BBQ and family at the pool ☺️ The minister declined. Such a terrible end to the X follower and and his family. BBQ by the pool with family, etc. Such a sinful lifestyle. ❤ Ya Brandon
Nevertheless, you seem to be assuming a lot about that situation. And is the minister not free to decline the invitation? Ever had anyone decline your invitation?
@christophergibson7155 The minister declined to have BBQ because the X-member had fallen so far down into sin. Terrible bigotry. As if tats and beer make him a monster. I'm also quite sure the minister was lying. Nobody goes from zero tats, non-smoker/drinker, short hair, clean shaved ... Inside a couple of months. It was just another lie/gross exaggeration that the believers like to make up about those of us who leave. It makes them feel better. Happy atheists are never the result of apostasy you know.
I’d like to introduce him to a group of Greek Orthodox monks I know who have extremely long hair they wear in a bun underneath their big hats as well as extremely long beards as well. But they don’t smoke dope even if they do kind of look like it.
My deconversion led me to see sexuality and reproductive rights in a different light. Nothing else changed, but this turned out to be a lot. The truth set me free indeed: from a life of internalized guilt and shame.
@@GreenCanvasInteriorscape God allowing my friend to die because she "trusted Jesus" and chose not to have an abortion after medical advice is immoral. Do you ever think about the consequences of what you say so casually? How hateful.
@GreenCanvasInteriorscape Cuz 26cells is a moving, breathing, baby Rape is totally just causal sex And the mother having a high chance of dying or permanent injury if they don't have an abortion of a baby the doctors confirmed would probably not even make it is totally just Killing a baby cuz of Causal Sex Cuz morality doesn't exist right? You care more about something that can't even breathe yet than the person who has to birth them- or the hecking environment they'll be born into There's 8billion people in the world c'mon
@GreenCanvasInteriorscape Cuz that Original commentor totally said they got a ton of abortions right That commentor was just yapping about how they love having abortions every Sunday like it was their church, they eat that pill like it was the blood of Jesus Christ himself, right? Cuz you can't possibly think of someone having another opinion than you so you leap to conclusions about someone you dk, right? If you're allowed to make bold assumptions on people I will too But only on you 💀
Totally agree with you Brandon. The blinders on Christians are amazing. Having been a Christian, who deconstructed, it’s not any ONE thing that led me away. Part of it was that I finally actually read the Bible entirely, and critically. I was in shock as to what this God we worshipped was all about. Another part was realizing the effect of blind belief, how it is detrimental to critical thought and harmful to society. The third part was the pervasive attitude of self righteousness and tribal in group thinking it created. And the fourth part was realizing in many cases this religion is outright indoctrination, feeding especially young children and teens nothing but their version of the truth.
Wow! This one really fit in my past week. I had a Christian trolling your channel coming at me for my comment on your recent 300 reason's video and he echoed a great deal of what you said in this show. Brandon, you may not want to read further here, b/c I'm going to take a selfish moment below for IF that person reads this comment to let him know I'm not the 'sinner' he believes me to be. My story: I am a 59 year old man, married with 2 boys, cradle Catholic, 12 yrs of Catholic school. Sent my kids to Catholic school. I have a masters and bachelors in mathematics and have worked as a Data Scientist for over 34 years in an Acturial Department. I served daily mass all through college and only missed mass are very rare occasions up through the age of 53. My path to lose my faith came when my then oldest son was 17 and announced he was an atheist. So, I set out to prove him wrong! Reading and listening to everything I could and wow! The evidence pointed in one and only one direction. So, I kept studying, reading, listening. And finally, it was undeniable, there was no evidence of God. And, in particular, the Christian God is as silly as Santa Claus. My conversion was not for sin. I feel I am a very good person. I lost my eyesight starting when I was 27 and did not let that stop me and went on and have raised over $200,000 in charity, and even have spoken on Washing D.C. to lobby for my eye disease (search me on RUclips if you want to know more of my bio). I now have the visual field the size of a sewing pin. I try every single day to be better, to be a better person. I screw up….sure….but my goal is to be a good person above all else. I don't need a god to do this!
Good for you!! It takes a lot of effort to come to the sound conclusion god/the bible isn't real. Gibson trolls a massive amount on this channel. That may be the one you're discussing, although there are a few regulars on here...Daniel Blair, Ken Shiloh etc. They make _zero good solid points or conversations!_ Keep up the good walk!
I was talking to a theist about the existence of god and one of their comment was that I was angry. I had to pause an contemplate what was it that I said that reflected anger at something. I make a point of never challenging the person just their claim. There is no name calling, no personal attacks, just facts against the claim. What compelled them to say I was angry? This is also the feeling I get when I get the 'just want to sin' comment. What even is sin and what motivation do I have to do it? This is why I'll never understand why people believe in a god. My brain is just not wired to need one. The ironic thing is, if there is one, I get to go to hell just for being me.
I think somewhere this has become a common rebuttal that they use. I was told I was angry as well, when I began to explain why I had doubts and no longer believed. I thought about it, then said, No, I am not angry, but I am empassioned. I feel for the first time, I can see. A cloud of darkness has been lifted.
@@terrencelockett4072 That is true and I can only assume they view nonbelievers as believers rebelling against god. That we still believe. I guess it's hard for them to grasp no god existing. That we have no god in our life.
I was born angry apparently because belief in magical inter dimensional wizards never crossed my mind. In all my 68 years it has become very apparent the most angry most loathsome most arrogantly ignorant people are the ones telling everyone else how miserable they are without their cult and it’s group think. _Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated your distinctiveness will be added to the Christian collective, surrender_
“Rejecting bad evidence is not immoral; it’s honest.” Now that’s a great quote if ever I’ve heard one. Thanks, as always, for helping to normalize the experience of so many of us, Brandon.
This! This is precisely it. Your existence is a threat to their world view, a world view that hinges on blind faith. No questioning. No critical thinking. Folks who disagree and stand for the opposite threaten the collapse of everything they believe in and plant don't in their heads.
20:00 Hope you see this and bud, “Rejecting bad evidence is not immoral.” … Putting it this way specifically… thank you, truly. This isn’t *about* opposition, even though it often feels that way since we can wrestle with it so much internally, and since our brothers and sisters do accept it to varying extents, affecting our conversations, lives and relationships. This is at its heart, about choosing to reject bad evidence, and framing it so simply just provided me with so much clarity. Thank you Brandon!
I "came out" to a Christian friend of mine early in my deconversion journey. I thoight he was a safe person to share my doubts and struggles with because his wife had mentioned that he was "struggling" as well. When I sat down and tried to have a conversation with him, I explained my struggles and some of the issues I'd discovered with Christianity, and he just waved me off. He said something like "I'm having issues, but nothing quite like that. You're dealing with issues I don't want to touch." We didn't talk about it again until I had become and atheist, and at that point he had a theology student friend of his "attack" me. "Coming out" in any sense is a dangerous proposition, and no matter what you're setting yourself up for heartache.
your channel is simply amazing. you’ve been such a huge help in my deconstruction journey, and this community has helped me to realize that i am not alone. thank you for all the effort and the hard work you put into these videos
On the ring thing, if you still want to wear one, go get a silicon ring. You can even get a gold-colored one if you want. My traditional ring cause my finger to throb frequently and switching to silicon totally relieved that symptom. Plus, they are quite inexpensive, so it's not a real investment.
The “recruiters” at colleges, after making their spiel, love to plant that seed of self-doubt in your morals or to give that “cosmic judge” rent in you head. Whether they are earnest or malicious, they want to ensnare you by telling you that rejecting God or the Bible is an act of pride. I rewatched your video about predatory evangelizing tactics, and yes, it is disgusting. I was approached in my freshman year in college because they probably marked me as a rudderless soul in need of salvation. When I walked away from them, I felt relief, but I still felt a little guilt. They would send a recruiter or two after me to try and reel me in again, but I turned them down. In my gut I felt they were predatory, but I didn’t have a word for it. Thanks, Brandon, for articulating the effect this sneaky trick either as a newcomer or someone who is deconstructing their beliefs. Looking forward to Thursday!
I don't know what these recruiters said to you. If they were truly preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ to you, then they were obedient to "The Great Commission". (Mark 16:15)And if that was the case then you saying... "but I still felt a little guilt" was most probably the Holy Spirit bringing conviction to your conscience over your sin. That was a good thing, to awaken your conscience to your helpless and hopeless state of your sin. Jesus said that He was the light of the world. And that light exposes the darkness of sin. (John 3:19) Don't harden yourself in your sin. (Hebrews 3:7-8a) Come to Jesus. He is truly a loving Savior. He is ever so faithful. He will forgive and cleanse you, and make you a brand new creation in Christ. Sin will be a thing of the past.
At the risk of asking a dumb question, were you specifically applying to Christian colleges? I toured a handful of schools a few years ago when my daughter was looking, and religion was only brought up once. It happened to be from the campus chaplain who just wanted us to know that they had services available if she was interested in them. No pressure, no guilt. Perhaps it's a regional thing, we are in the northeast. 🤷♂️
@ I went to a secular college in NYC, but there was an organization called The Inter-Varsity Christian Fellowship. They would approach an individual privately and invite them to have a “discussion about religion.” At first they are not specific about Christianity or Jesus. Once you sit with them however they proselytize about the Bible. In my individual experience, one proselytizer asked, “If you had to choose between God and someone you loved, who would it be?” The questions got increasingly weird, but they softened the blow by reading from “God’s Greatest Hits.” Not Joshua, or Samuel (I or II), and DEFINITELY not Revelation. They follow that meeting up with a second one, and the weirdness continued. Finally, they asked if I wanted to be Christian. I said, “no,” because my instincts were ringing all sorts of alarms. They started asking me tougher and tougher questions until I said “I have to go.” As I left, one called out that I was “very uneducated.” (I spent some time talking about Roman Emperors during this session, because we would discuss some 1 century CE history. Nope, just gospel). I don’t know if the Inter-Varsity Christian Fellowship is still active. It’s been several years, but yeah, they would go to secular colleges for their proselytizing activities. I’m sure they won a few over. Thankfully, I wasn’t one of them.
@@DrakeTimbershaft Wow, that's wild. I guess I'm happy to hear that they were 3rd party religious nutjobs, not actual college recruiters. My limited college recruiting experiences (with my daughter) were in upstate NY and a little in MA. They must've chosen The City to target as many heathens as they could in one location 😂
As the only atheist in the family my father told me I was an agent of the devil. He told me this while I was visiting from interstate to help him out! My Mother when she found out she had terminal cancer asked me to be her medical attorney. in her words "I don't want my medical treatment effected by their beliefs, I want someone who is thinking only about me". She was a christian along with my Father. Take that as you will. Christians want you to want to sin, because if you aren't evil like my dad claimed I was, then their god does not mean as much.
11:19 “the glasses shattered from their head” - this was exactly my experience! I couldn’t just believe any more. Belief doesn’t work that way. When those glasses shattered is when I finally had to admit I was no longer a believer. I was almost 50 years old when that happened. It still surprises me sometimes.
Personally, in my experience, I often can't help but see many people who use it as self-projection. My Christian dad said to me that if God wasn't real, he would go about and do all kinds of sins. After all, he wasn't going to get punished when he died.
yeah, that's what we want. It's exhausting, making up my list of planned sins every night, committing them the next day, then ticking them off my list.
@@maggienewton8518"Dammit, I should be doing Sloth today but I'm invited to my friend's birthday this evening... Hey, Josh, can we trade sin-plans? I need your Gluttony, you can have Sloth." "Sorry, I traded lists with Stephanie. That girl gets Lust so often you'd think it's the only sin there is." "Aw shucks. Well, at least it's better than Alex. She is supposed to break the 220th commandment today so she is running all over the place looking for a field in the seventh year which she can plow and sow seeds on."
When I lost my faith, the very concept of “sin” disappeared - I came to understand that the word was nothing more than shorthand for “things organized religion doesn’t like.” Many have accused me of leaving the church because “you want to sin” when the polar opposite is true: I could no longer justify continuing to believe in the theology, so I left in search of something else - leaving the concept of “sin” behind was an unintended consequence.
What i find so very hilarious is that in all my years on this earth, NOBODY has ever been able to give a concrete answer as to what sin is other than some vague evil. I've asked in such simple terms. What is sin? What exactly constitutes as sin? How can it be detected, measured, and quantified? Once we understand what it is, it can be stopped. Like Jesus, remember that "he lived a perfect, sinless life" okay... what does that mean? The answer is completely different from person to person.
Went to the credit union yesterday. Although I saw the armed security guard in the lobby, I pretended he didn’t exist because I just wanted to rob the bank.
@@Rickie-x2 What is "the law" of the Bible, why and how could anyone follow it if the Bible consistently contradicts itself, and why would a god impel the Bible's authors to write a book that is impossible for readers to understand and not transgress?
@lynnjacobs9885 What am awesome question Lynn. Starting with we live in a fallen world and we got this way because somebody thought they knew better than God 🙄 And so God from even before the world was made began his work in reconciling fallen humanity back to himself. His law was the closest thing to his character that was given to the children of Israel back in the days of Moses and you are correct in that nobody in this world is able to keep that law perfectly except Jesus, but he gave his law to Israel and they could not even begin to obey the law because they had the instructions but they did not have the mind the heart and the Spirit to obey the law, and they failed miserably. This is why we have the new testament (covenant) that God is making with the people that he selected long before we were ever born and he puts his Spirit into us and gives us the desire and want to keep his laws which he doesn't do how the rest of humanity for whatever his reasons. But in this life the law is the closest thing to the nature of God that we have for instructions in how to become reconciled back with God, in fact God is the Savior of this world and he's going to save every single soul that was ever born and died in this world, but that will not happen until after the great white throne of judgment where everyone will be corrected and between that time and the time they are also reconciled back with God who knows??? But the point is that Jesus said that man shall not live by bread alone but BY every word of God, and if people would just sit back and think about that, they would come up with the same conclusion that I have. That everyone who ever lived and died in their sins will one day be doing his laws as well, and they will also live and eat from the tree of life. Sooooooo if you are not at all inclined to be reading about or trying to keep God's laws then don't let that worry you because it's not his time to deal with you in that manner and you might not be called to Christ, but the day will come when you will have that desire to come to Christ and then to be keeping the same laws that he did and that will only be because he put that into your heart to do. God really loves all of his creation no matter what religion or even if they are no religion, he loves everybody and his purpose for sending Jesus into this world is to save everybody.
@christophermonteith2774 ultimately every single person that was ever born and died in this world in their sins will be reconciled back with God. He's already accomplished this when Jesus died on the cross for All of our sins, but only the people who have his Spirit and who willingly transform themselves into his image will be saved from the second death. The second death will come to everyone who was not chosen into this royal Priesthood and this will be yet another temporary time of separation from God in the New Earth, but when it's all said and done, every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. This will happen. I should also mention that even present atheists will have his Spirit and confess him as Lord. Even present satanists. For God to lose over single soul to eternal damnation means that the devil won and he lost, but that's a joke.
So true and how kind you did that. I live in Ireland and we have thousands of churches here. There is maybe 9 churches within 2 miles of my house. Anyway, how many of the churches here open their doors at night to let the homeless in? Answer is zero. Yet church i went to, the car park each sunday was packed with nice BMW's and Mercs and brand new Range Rovers where after the service they all had their coffee in the new 6 million pound extension.
@@northernsegageorge6510any insights as to the Irish hyper overreaction and sympathy towards the Muslim Brotherhood and jihad and Hamas in hysterically carrying on about Israel fighting a just war? My theory is it's Christian projection, everything Christian pagan Europe has done in their debauched history they accuse Israel of as the Muslim hordes within Europe rage and rampage yet Israel is the problem 🤷
I just love the self-flattering notion that religious people somehow don’t “sin.” Just compare the relatively religious US with more secular western democracies, which are way less pathological.
Hey Brandon! I just released my 10-episode video series on Religious Trauma that I've been teasing for a few months now. You told me to let you know when it's ready. I reference your channel and content several times throughout the series. I emailed you with some more details and ideas. Look forward to hearing from you.
Damn, 2:50 that was exactly my experience. I took advantage of every resource, preachers, youth ministers, reading my Bible. I'd spent my whole life in the church, until it just didn't make sense anymore. It's been 15 years of deconstruction and what a hard, emotional road it's been..
"Once he deconverted he moved in with his girlfriend". He moved in with his girlfriend!? Oh, the horror! What a terrible sin to move in with your girlfriend! As a Dane I'm so far removed from this particular Christian mindset that I can only laugh at what constitutes a grave sin in these people's eyes. It's ridiculous.
I’m 66 years old and if I were to do it over again I would not have sex until I was married. Has nothing to do with religion it’s just a nice thought I wouldn’t be playing house with somebody, or having sex for the fun of it. It would be a true commitment.
@@KAT-dg6el Based. Even secularists can see premarital is bad. Making seggs casual has lead to some pretty awful things. Divorce rates, loneliness of Gen Z, fewer people getting married, adult content addiction, single parenthood, to name a few
Yes, in the eyes of God fornication, which presumably the cohabitation would facilitate, is a terrible sin. God is not going to relax His moral standard and indulge sins just because you think you are a great Dane.
@@ColinWrubleski-eq5sh No one's asking God to lower His moral standard here. In fact I'd like to se Him raise His moral standards quite a bit. Getting his priorities right between passively watching millions of children starve to death and getting bothered by consenting adults in a relationship having sex would be a good place to start, I think.
Speaking of your wife, shout out to her, real talk. I'm sure you realizing you no longer believe anymore was a gut punch she was not ready for and you guys make it work everyday. You got a good girl. Not trying say you don't know and show your appreciation for that obviously, simply just expressing that you being able to make this awesome content is inpart because she understands you and knows where you're coming from, and as far as I'm concerned that's real love man. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
This makes me think about what I am always being told by friends and family, that I should raise my child in Church or else she will not have a sense of morality. That I also would not have had a sense of right or wrong if I had not been raised in Church. I no longer bother to argue my point on this. It is exhausting
I left X-tianity because the religion didn't make sense, it made me insane in all day-to-day aspects of my life (from obsessing about demons to having extreme behaviours as one would have to display if they took Jesus' words seriously), fundamentally scared and selfish (because everything was about my own salvation in the end), as well as hypocritical and jealous (at the carefree attitude of non-believers who were allowed to be happy in their lives without being crushed by a bunch of insane and arcane rules that no longer had any utility in the 21st century). Even if there's another god somewhere (as the Jeebus one is obviously false), I will never worship something or someone else ever again. Even the most benevolent dictatorship remains a dictatorship, and I'm done with giving away my own autonomy. Period.
And I don't think a lot of Christians and even ex-christians recognize how they are being scared and selfish due to the indoctrination surrounding their religious salvation.
It stopped making sense to me when I was only 10, Then again I would rather watch things on science, over kids cartoons, or pick up non fiction books over a story book. That was lucky enough to see many different parts of the world from Canada to North America and New Zealand. While the most religious people have barley left thier own local area yet alone country.
I think that I am a much better person since deconverting, certainly more tolerant towards people with different lifestyles than me. I didn't change my political views much but do tend to examine issues more closely rather than reacting from a religious perspective.
To be honest i struggle and wanna go to Church soon but to me is scares me when a Christian says i will go to Hell because i keep my sins.. i mean :( God wants love, not fear There are literally RUclipsrs saying most of us are doomed I pray that Jesus guides me Amen❤️
@HokutoNoJiHaiGie it seems there are specific denominations that are focused on preaching that message. Others are more focused on Christ creating an overlap between Heaven and Earth. That we get to participate in that.
@ I plan to visit a Church, now i aint 100% sure i ain't Christian because most i seen on youtube around scared me more than ever with their titles like ''You are christian but you are going to hell you just don't know it'' ha ok thanks for confirming me my life is done, how can it encourage someone to keep having their faith if they say we already failed and it has become useless? Since you are Christian sir i mean no offense to you but i really need to know what being a TRUE Christian means, instead of spreading fear of hell cuz the bible said so
Would christians just say that to my teenage self that was having panic attacks because she was doubting god existed? I had a major mental health crisis when i was 14 and I was asked if i did drugs, consulted a tarotist or a witch, even told that anime was ‘opening’ the door to “demons”- I was never encouraged to seek professional help or therapy of any kind. I didn’t ‘doubt’ because I wanted to do ‘wordly’ activities, I did because religion was hurting me
Thank you Brandon! It’s comforting to hear your sane voice of reason, as always. It sucks that no longer being a Christian has affected all your close relationships. That sounds super isolating. I haven’t lost family relationships over this, but I’ve certainly left lots of religious acquaintances behind. If you’re ever in Western NC, I’d love to buy you a coffee or beer.
2 things sparked my leaving: 1. Every type of Christianity thinks every other kind of Christian is wrong. 18 year old me was tired of finding the right way to believe. 2. I was scared to think outside what I was taught, because I was scared of Hell. The only reason I opened up was thanks to my first girlfriend, who went to every kind of church imagineable.
Yeah, I want to sin SOOOOO much! 19 years of marriage and I’ve never been tempted to stray even once, helped raise 2 amazing daughters, strive to be honest & ethical in all my work, I have an occasional drink but haven’t been drunk in over 20 years, have never been tempted to try illegal drugs. Oh gosh, I’m such a sinner!
Even if you got drunk every week and did every drug imaginable, it wouldn't automatically make you a bad person! Vices do NOT equate to immorality, and don't let anyone tell you it does.
@ which makes no sense at all. If the devil isn’t tempting me and I’m living a good, honest, upright, kind, loving life, and god still condemns me to hell, then f**k that god anyway.
There are a significant number of people who would much rather be told they are a miserable sinner who deserves hell but can be saved if they turn to Christ than have to decide for themselves who they are in a world that can be exciting and beautiful but is also very very tough with no easy or definitive answers.
I tried christianity very briefly (months perhaps). It turned me into a self-righteous, hypocritical monster I didn't even know, like, or even recognize my own reflection in the mirror. I couldn't run away fast enough... and I have my peace once more! I don't believe in anyone's god or creator.
When I walked away from my religion and no longer believed in a Hell to punish the wicked and a Heaven to reward the good, it occurred to me that what you get in this life is ALL you get. So if you're a corporate vampire who lives off the pain of others, there's no punishment for that. But if you die of starvation in abject poverty, there's no compensation in a heaven either. That realization pushed me to became a BETTER person, believing that I NEEDED to care about how I treated others because this life is all we get.
I never understood where Christians get this idea that morality is reserved for them. The Apostle Paul talks of everyone is born with a sense of right and wrong .
Right on the money! For me it was undercover in that nobody challenged me but any closeness was gone. I moved to another state and every time I came back everyone was further away.
As a Christian, I do agree and believe that we ask Christians need to stop doing the whole oh you became an atheist just so you can sin. it just doesn't do anything.
Particularly not when only 0.02% of prison inmates in the USA are atheist! Either we are very well behaved or very skilled at getting away with crimes!
Funny how when I, as senior citizen, fell away nobody accused me of wanting to sin. They all just say I'm crazy. They all think I just went over the deep end! 😂
I was a born in and raised a Jehovah's Witness. When I woke up and deconstructed, and realized this is all we have. There is no sky daddy coming to save us. I felt the need to do as much as I can to help my community, be kind, recycle etc. I became a much better person as an agnostic.
18:00-ish - Ooof, that sounds painful! So sorry you're dealing with both the nerve stuff and people being nasty over the fact that you can't/don't wear your ring because of it. I hope the nerve stuff is temporary/gets better soon!
When I first told my parents that I’m an atheist, they told me that I want to be my own god and that I just want to sin. It felt to me that they gave me zero benefit of the doubt, and they never showed an interest in understanding the journey of learning and understanding I’ve undertaken. My mother has specifically requested that I not share things with her because she doesn’t want to doubt. And my father simply assumes he knows my morals because he knows I’m an atheist, so he just lumps me in with his assumptions about “secular society.” Yet, he never bothers to recognize that he knows me better, or at least, that he could if he got out of his head about it for two seconds. And I’ve been an atheist for 17 years now.
I often have to explain that if I wanted to "just sin" I would have simply walked away from Christianity without a second thought. Easy-peasy. What actually happened is that I wanted to draw as close to God as possible and understand his word to best of my ability both through devout study and through the leading of the Holy Spirit. It was this deep dive into the bible and Christianity (and Judaism) that brought me to the realization that it's simply a man made system of belief (just like all religion). It was at that point that I left the faith. Not because I "wanted to sin", but because it didn't make sense to continue living my life based off of a fabricated belief system that claims to be factual.
So much deconversion begins with a desire to nail down the precise message - to fix the ambiguities. This might be something that many who stay in "just want to" not bother with, because they don't take it as seriously as did those who left.
Thank you for this video. I relate so well. Navigating believer’s assumptions has been a real sensitive area for me. This video is very insightful and validating. Love the channel!!
I think a lot of Christians respond this way because they look at a doubter as someone who has a disease. A Christian has to immediately put distance between that relationship. In fear of revealing their own doubts that they have had or could have as a result. They have to keep their mind in this mental pocket because of the fear of accidentally stepping outside of it. Love this topic because I hate how lame of a response you get after the hundreds of hours of trying to think critically. Its seriously insulting to the doubter.
"In fear of revealing their own doubts that they have" I'm sure this is why my brother tries to goad me into arguments about god. He's really trying to cling to his beliefs while beginning to have serious conflicts.
@maggienewton8518 oh yea I have family members like this myself. They want to poke your brain about why because there is that curiousity under the surface. "How could one ever fall out from the lord after being saved?" I think its representing an internal dialogue within them as well.
This was a really good video, I decided to leave Christianity because I looked at my Christian doctrine process, it started as a Jehovah witness, then I became a trinitarian, and eventually when I was serious about studying I became a calvinist, so I had multiple changes throughout my Christian Journey. So when I started examining the Bible from different perspectives like predestination versus free will, I came to the conclusion that the only answer was it's a mystery, and I realized it's not a good enough answer for something that is about salvation, an eternal destination, and things just seem to go against God a lot, that are morally questionable, it's mentally disturbing what Christianity has done to me, the guilt and the shame of never being morally perfect, sinless, the only place Christianity was leading me was to an early grave, I would have started with cutting. 😒
REJECTION of RELIGIONS will bring HONOR and GOD'S REWARD, FAVORS, and BLESSINGS because the UNBIBLICAL teachings and doctrines of the Pastors and Leaders of Religions about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation" are all false, worthless and useless, nothing but LIES, tricks, and deceits that bring nothing but dishonor, disgrace, shame, and will definitely cause the downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS of Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions while LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who rejected Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless and willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18 will definitely be honored and rewarded in return by the Sovereign GOD with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 and the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are obviously NOT for Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions too but ONLY for all the LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others who are all worthy and deserving of being RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of GOD and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Sovereign GOD's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@@jaflenbond7854 Oh boy, here we go again. Another Bible believer claiming that Jesus isn't a religion. If you follow Biblical doctrine and have beliefs based on that, you are following a religion. And any God who sends ANYONE to ETERNAL HELL, UNJUSTLY is evil. Doesn't matter if they're atheist, Christian or whatever, no one deserves that. And your belief here doesn't make sense, a Christian is someone who believes in the Bible, believes in Jesus, and tries to live their life according to that. Is that not what you're doing? "Submitting to Jesus" is exactly what being a Christian is. This is just that repackaged with a different label, your belief makes no sense. When we say we reject RELIGION, we LITERALLY mean we reject it, we reject the Bible, we reject hell, we do not believe ANY of it. YOU are a CHRISTIAN.
@@kassd4169 All that were written in the BIBLE about GOD and JESUS CHRIST are OFFENSIVE and UNACCEPTABLE to Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, fanatics of all kinds of Religions, and Atheists who will NOT LIVE and LAST on EARTH FOREVER because their own LIES, tricks, deceits, and UNBIBLICAL teachings, claims, and doctrines about "hellfire", "Trinity", "Armageddon", "God doesn't exist", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "rapture", and "reincarnation" will definitely bring and cause their own dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS while the BIBLE is the source of the TRUTH that HUMAN BEINGS will LIVE and EXIST FOREVER because all persons on earth who - 1. treat their co-human beings with love, kindness, and respect as written in Matthew 22: 39 and 2. honor and obey Jesus Christ as their loving, kind, and merciful Master and Heavenly King in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18 are clearly the LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who are worthy and deserving of the Sovereign GOD's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death not in heaven but on a safe and peaceful Earth without LIARS, slanderers, traitors, perverts, murderers, and deceitful persons as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4, 8 and the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are the guarantee that all the LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others will definitely be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of GOD and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Sovereign GOD's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
Another great video. I agree. I didn’t stop believing because I wanted to “sin”. I stopped believing because I stopped believing in “fairytales”. My way of behaving or morality didn’t change.
Brandon, 1000% Agreed. The whole sin thing takes on a different effect when you're in the faith. You actually "Sin" less when you've deconstructed. When I was a believer, my crimes were laid at God's feet, knowing he'll forgive me no matter what. I wasn't out there cheating, killing, graping, or stealing. But I knew god had me. There was a whole "Forbiben Fruit" concept that made it enticing. When you've deconstructed, the sneaky desire is just 'Meh' at that point. You dont lose your morals, you just live your day to day life. Great Video Sir!!👍🏾
There’s prisons around the world that’s overwhelmed with “Believers” in a God and, they ENTERED prison WITH those beliefs. Yet, believing in a God DIDN’T stop the majority of them from committing horrible crimes. Those criminals didn’t “denounce” God in favor to “sin” or, to “sin more.” So, for all the Christians out there… please, explain these “Faithful” criminals to us atheists. ☺️
LIES, TRICKS, and DECEPTIONS will NEVER bring GOD'S REWARD, FAVORS, and BLESSINGS and Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, fanatics of all kinds of Religions, and Atheists who condemn and slander their co-human beings as nothing but worthless and useless "SINNERS" will NOT LIVE and LAST on EARTH FOREVER because their own LIES, tricks, deceits, and UNBIBLICAL teachings, claims, and doctrines about "hellfire", "Trinity", "Armageddon", "God doesn't exist", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "rapture", and "reincarnation" will definitely bring and cause their own dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS while LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who - 1. treat their co-human beings with love, kindness, and respect as written in Matthew 22: 39 and 2. honor and obey Jesus Christ as their loving, kind, and merciful Master and Heavenly King in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18 will definitely be honored and rewarded by the Sovereign GOD with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death not in heaven but on a safe and peaceful Earth without LIARS, slanderers, traitors, perverts, murderers, and deceitful persons as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4, 8 and the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are the guarantee that all the LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others will definitely be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of GOD and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Sovereign GOD's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
It's just another temper tantrum believers throw when the conversation doesn't go their way. They have a laundry list of nonsense they throw out in an emergency, which considering how patchwork their religion is is pretty much all the time. And as many other people have pointed out, as an atheist, everything I do i have to come to terms with myself, if I make a mistake or harm someone or myself, I can't just think up some magic words in my head and just instantly be forgiven for it, I have to actually deal with it, so if i wanted to sin, I'd be a theist. It's just more projection from them.
They’ll come at you with an opposite version if you don’t ‘just want to sin:’ “If you really love righteousness, you will become a Christian because only God can make you righteous”
It's technically possible it's just irrelevant to any point about the existence of their god they're trying to make. Hating a fictional character doesn't make the fictional character real.
For me, the hating god part came first. I could let go of the anger and hate once I realized there is no god, we people are responsible for our own behaviors.
Hello friends. a couple of months ago I was in a live chat with a fundamentalist and I mentioned I enjoyed having fun. Fun? ...that made me think how awful not to be able to have fun. and how awful for their children. Makes me shudder to thing about raising kids to not have any fun. Hugs from Mexico Jacques still having fun. Laughing is good therapy
When I was a kid/teenager and tried to be a christian, I quit wanting to go to church because deep down I found it a loooot less fun than listening to baseball games or listening to Kiss records - both of which came with a huge amount of guilt because I was supposedly putting the things of the world before the things of god. So in that sense, I just wanted to "sin". Especially with the Kiss and other rock records. Finally in my 20s I just faced the truth about myself. I didn't like going to church, it was based in guilt and misery. Also, being a woman, I got sick and tired of this god telling me I was second rate. I *knew* that was a lie. And I got tired of not being allowed to enjoy anything. My common sense was telling me that the music of Jimi Hendrix was more true to life than a bunch of hymns. I still believed in god (I was too afraid not to) but I just quit living a religious life, then in my 40s I finally realized that xtianity was basically the same as the Aztecs killing people on their pyramids or people throwing virgins in a volcano - primitive bloodthirsty ignorance that required killing someone else so you could be safe. It fell away then. I was finally free and I've enjoyed deconstruction information because it showed me the details of how it all doesn't make sense, where and how in history it came to be thus proving how man-made it all was and bolstering my natural inclination to let it all go. I've been so much happier being an atheist. And, no, I've not turned into an axe murderer or even a child molester like so many youth pastors have been discovered to be.
Hey family. Thanks so much for being here today. Still out traveling for work currently but will be in and out of the comments today. Enjoy
really good ttopic today, very engaging, thanks Brandon
So, it’s interesting how Brandon officially speaks for every atheist in the world. It’s as if all atheists think exactly alike.
Also, if you cannot prove for a fact there is no God then how do you know there is no sin?
Especially when you claim that atheism is not a belief, how do you know for a fact that there is no sin when you cannot prove for a fact that there is no God?
"Hey family." awww...that's nice!
Mmmhm. And Christians just want a get-out-of-Hell-free card, they don’t actually love The Lord.
@ Which Christians don’t love The Lord and which Christians don’t appreciate a get out spiritual jail free card when one sincerely tries to do better?
I wonder what a Christian’s response would be to, “You just want fire insurance”
That is a genuine argument I have heard from them, at least in spirit. I guess it kind of goes back to Pascal's Wager? The whole "what if you're wrong" angle.
Fire insurance is featured verbatim on so many church signs that evangelicals had to have originated the phrase.
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"“You just want fire insurance” That only applies to those who have no assurance of their salvation in Jesus.
@@christophergibson7155 you’re really dumb. Like really really dumb man
Did anyone stop believing in Santa because they wanted to be naughty?
oh perfect!
Love this!
Oh my god that’s perfect
😂😂😂 I LOVE this
Lots of kids were raised up with krampus as a threat
Therefore thus they complied
It’s crazy to me that there are Christians out there who commit the same “sins” over and over again but then say “it’s ok I’ll ask for forgiveness right before I die”
That's the thing they think one asks for forgiveness,
When it's earned,
Me too and I'm a Christian. I don't hear any Christians say this though
@@tandrew651 Not sinning would be a waste of that blood magic voodoo, ain't it ?
@@TrotolokoNo cause that's not how it works. Also, you can be an atheist without being a jerk.
@@tandrew651 I'm an atheist and I tend to agree with you. I have never heard a Christian friend make that blatantly self-serving claim. But they (you?) DO ask for forgiveness on a regular, on-going basis and they persuade themselves that that will do. All the Christians I know - quite a few! - of whatever stripe, no matter how "worthless" and "sinful" they will freely/cheerfully admit to being, think that they are going to heaven. Not a single one actually thinks that s/he will end up anywhere else. That's how it works; that's the grift, if you like.
I fought alcoholism while a Christian and got almost no help from the church and prayers went unanswered and my behavior was bad.. negative, sometimes mean and very angry. The answers I got from friends was "just stop". Gee, THAT never occurred to me 🙄 It took me to go outside the church for help and got sober with no higher power. Over 16 years later, I'm a way better person than I was and much more happy..and guess what? I "sin" waaaay less than when I supposedly had Jesus as my "power".
I went to AA open meetings to support my ex and found that those who did not acknowledge a higher power worked harder, took more responsibility for their actions on an ongoing basis. Not bashing the twelve steps and this was just one group, but I did notice a difference there. No magic safety net?
@maggienewton8518 exactly... If you just work the steps, that works. You know the saying, "it works if you work it" is absolutely true. I bounced in and out of AA for years, finally getting sober because I got sick of living in slavery to a substance. I used the group as my "higher power", because they actually talked to me 😂 Those who don't focus on personal growth and reflection don't heal... They just get caught up into another system of "right and wrong" behavior and never get beyond being "thirsty".
Objectively they enabled you on Sundays😮
@@GreenCanvasInteriorscape 😂 that's actually funny because about 5 years into my sobriety, my wife and I tried out an episcopal church and during Communion they served real wine where we were used to grape juice as Evangelicals. When I put it up to my mouth I smelled it and put it down.. almost got me Satan 😂😂
meanwhile they celebrate every alcoholic who claims he stopped drinking when he discovered Jesus lol
That infuriates me when Christians say this, I always respond with "if I wanted to just sin, I'd become a Christian". What a great way to just shift personal responsibility away from you, than to just repent and feel absolved. Instead, when I make a mistake (I can't sin since I don't believe in divine law), I have to take personal responsibility and reconcile with my guilt and conscience.
"I have to take personal responsibility and reconcile with my guilt and conscience." makes you a better, stronger, more autonomous person :)
@@maggienewton8518 Exactly, you can't learn from your mistakes unless you take ownership of them.
Then they may call you: selfish.....as I was called when talking to my parent 😒
Many christians unironically believe Dahmer is in heaven now because he converted and accepted jesus during his last days after all the killings. Seems to me you can just sin as much as you want and then "accept jesus" to absolve yourself off it all and get rid of responsibility.
@@Kaledrone Exactly. So, all those priests (you know the ones I'm talking about) are going to heaven but I'm not? And yet **I** just want to sin? Sounds like all the good people are in hell.
And when you “sin” less after leaving Christianity, they just say, “well, the devil isn’t tempting you anymore because he already won”
Heads I win tails you lose
Or the "you're stealing your morals from god" type logic.
Yep, he stopped tempting me, so I’m leading a righteous and morally good life, yet god is going to send me to hell? And who’s the evil one?
I remember hearing someone say that demonic activity doesn’t happen much in developed countries because the devils worried he’d scare them back to Jesus
LOL of course they would
If minding my own business and taking care of my dogs means i just want to sin,i guess so 😂
lol. My life!
Exactly lol
Same!
You’re sinning if you do not pick up after your dog. That is what you want to do, stop keeping up after your pet. The shame, the shame.
Change the word "dogs" to "cats" and I'm a willful sinner, too.
When they told me about original sin, I realized that "sin" is a meaningless idea that I could ignore
that part.
If Adam & Eve didn't have the knowledge of good & evil before eating the fruit of Knowledge, then they could not have sinned through their disobedience, because they would not have known it was wrong. My kid is reading the Bible for the first time & his assessment is that OT God should have fenced off the trees before hand - never trust clever pets to refrain from a good treat.
The Bible can't even define sin because it seems to change every couple of pages.
@suicune2001 it is easier to manipulate people if you leave the holy text ambiguous 🫡
Goodness! How I wish I had had the same insight!
"you just want to sin!"
ma'am, i'm a Buddhist. _we_ actually _practice_ our Ethics.
Not necessarily, I'm sure there's at least a few who don't
@@uglyfense7754 fair.
@@uglyfense7754 You aren’t clever for taking an obvious generalization and pointing out that there are exceptions.
@@derp195 This is what OP does when he implies Christians don't practice their ethics
@ I didn't say I was
Even when I was a kid and a believer, I was disturbed by how some people sinned - according to their beliefs- knowing they could just go to confession and be all clear for another week.
AronRa has a funny video about how religious people get everything backwards.
"Sin" is offending God. We have no evidence that god exists, so "sin" is a victimless crime, as we see it.
And leave donations?
The hypocrisy is what I noticed first a kid
@@SCP-SAM of course! That was called making amends. :)
There’s anti denominational Christian’s who believe you are not truly Christian if you continue to sin and repent. But they are a small minority.
“Do you honestly think you could do better?”
*looks around*
Yes, yes I do.
I am not irresponsible enough to be god.
Given the same attributes claimed by the believers, absolutely. Given the shown attributes, not as much, but still possible. As I am in reality, probably not, but can't do anywhere near the harm either
For a start, I wouldnt put the air-intake in the same pipe as fuel intake. Anyone that EVER choked to death died from gods unfailable design
A conversation with my Christian brother after I left the faith:
Him: "So why did you leave? Did you just want to sin?"
Me: "I don't really do anything different now..."
[awkward silence]
I tend to see the conversation go like this:
"I want the truth, and I can't find anything that shows god is true"
"you just want to sin"
"no, I want truth, I literally just said that"
Unfortunately that’s facts😅
Alternativ answer: yes I have to sin. Otherwise Jesus died for nothing
Alternativ answer: yes I have to sin. Otherwise Jesus died for nothing
If you simply repent of your sins and receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you can know for sure Jesus and the Bible are true when you become born again.
@@Jesuslordoflords-y4m how can one repent of sin when sin doesn't exist?
Go ahead, keep chastising yourself for being a dirty sinner, but don't try and bring non-gullible people along with you.
One of the biggest reliefs of leaving Christianity is no longer judging everyone you come in contact with as either a good-enough Christian or someone who needs to be evangelized. Christians would say that not wanting to think like that is sinful so therefore you want to sin.
Meanwhile, I care more about people in a real way now than I did back then.
i quit my job so i could enjoy an endless lunch break.
That's the logic they use lmao
I'm sorry, but this "job" you offered me promised many things, like the Noah and the Ark happened, I would only see great things, I would be loved, and whatever I ask will come to me...
I'm sorry, but during this "Job", I found out the Ark was made up with no actual proof, despite countless people saying "They Found It" but then refused to show me or anyone else (also, two of every creature? In 40 days? So how did Noah go to antarctic to get penguins or polar bears? How did he get all the way to these other continents with no map or known knowledge of the land? What about the sub species? What about bugs?), I literally cried at night begging this god to give me a loving family when i was abused, starved, and hated in this time?
And this boss of yours promised me he loved me... Only if I listened. And i did listen.
But no. The same exact thing my parents said. Know what both did? Ignored me and let me suffer
So uh
Im sorry, but this job isn't ok and you need to seek help.
This is the part of yt I love the most. Non-offending, harmless jokes.
"Autonomy is such a scary thing" I think this is at the heart of much of religious belief.
Root of why forced birthers hate abortion rights
I left a cult to care for my mom who was dying from lung and brain cancer, and I was shunned and told that i was a POS for leaving the church. No hate like christian love. She was a good person and I think that being a good person is more important than being a Christian
sorry that was added to the terrible situation you were already dealing with. Those people are truly hateful and revel in their hatred.
"I think that being a good person is more important than being a Christian"? And yet what is your standard of good?
If you are setting your own standard, then the "standard bar" will be moved at your own discretion." I know for myself from experiences in my life that I set my own good standards to my own limited understanding of what good truly was. Good is moral perfection. And no one has attained that. (Romans 3:10-12) "“The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?" (Jeremiah 17:9) We desperately need the Savior Jesus to forgive and cleanse us from all our sin (missing the mark of perfection). For our own self righteousness will prove over time to be just a lie.
@@christophergibson7155 You're right. The 'good' and 'perfect' that we should strive toward is set forth in the holy text of the religion. To be good one must hate LGBTQ people and deny them full humanity and human dignity. to be good one must see women as little more than brood chattel, and desire and support laws that force 10 and 145 year old rape and incest victims to carry the product to term. To be good one must turn away the non-white, and non-Christian immigrant from your borders because they are an "infestation".
One demonstrates their spiritual maturity in the eyes of the "Savior Jesus" by condoning child molestation and sexual assault by clergy, and by your New Messiah. Or by opposing trying to promote diversity, equity, and inclusion in our society.
I'll take my "imperfect" morality over the so-called perfect morality of the bible and your Savior Jesus.
@stevenbolin7688
Gosh, disturbing how the church accused you just because you stopped to attend church to take care of your mother. I can deduct they we're interested in extract tithes from you.
@rcktneo ya, told me that I need to come back and recommit to obligations and covenants, 😆😂
Brandon, I’ve been watching your channel for a while and went through quite a bit of the secular Bible study series with you as it was coming out. I’ve been on the slow but steady path to deconstruction for about 3 years now, but your channel really helped me understand WHY Christianity had stopped making sense to me. I used to be very upset when my family members would accuse me of this specifically, especially because my parents were rather cruel when I attempted to come out over a decade ago. They’ve tried to use every reason in the apologetics playbook to get me back to the faith. But your videos have both kept me persisting through deconstructing and further reaffirmed my knowledge that what I’d been taught growing up was wrong. Thanks for all you do-even when you’re out of town :)
@@abbyzerfass367 I love hearing stuff like this! Glad that you are here! 👍🏼
I wanted my strength to grow in God. I wanted it so bad that I went above the pastors head and went to the people who go to seminary and are New testament scholars,to get the most accurate information. I found out the pastors were not being honest or clear with their messages. My faith went away because I looked into the Bible more than I ever have before. I am way more interested in it as an atheist than I was a Christian.
Why didn't you study the Holy Bible yourself instead of "trusting" some scholars? First things first....YOU need Jesus in your life. Without Him nothing will make sense.
You need to do what the Bible says and repent of your sins. If you don't obey the gospel you won't see any change. Give it another try and this time just obey the gospel and become born again.
@@christophergibson7155nothing makes sense with your thoughtless and illogical comments, troll....
Correct me if I'm wrong but the other replies here seem to completely misunderstand your point due to inherent bias. My understanding was that once you consulted scholars and studied the Bible with that additional context, you realized that your pastor had been feeding you a "sanitized" or agenda-driven interpretation of the scripture. In effect, figuring out what the Bible actually says made you stop believing it, right?
@@Jesuslordoflords-y4m if l wanted to sin, I'd become a Christian!
The part of this that gets me streamed is when they add in the other "you must have never known God/believed in the first place" to this argument to make themselves feel better/safer.
I had to have a conversation about how insulting that is with a friend.
You don't cry on your knees in the middle of a woods alone to a God you never believed in. You don't willingly give up time, work, and money to something you don't think has any value.
I spent multiple days a week with this person for YEARS in church and groups and he still said "well if you aren't sinning in X way it's because the devil isn't attacking you as he has you" and "you never believed" and "you hate God and want to sin"
that's perfect love-telling me what I think, know, and feel.
That bit about, “The devil isn’t tempting you because he already has you,” is so hilarious to me now.
Like - so the devil has me, yet I’m living an honest, morally good life like Jesus supposedly taught (kind of!), so god’s just going to write me off anyway? Really?!
That’s just more evidence of how corrupt and evil such a god would be, if it were real.
When I was a member of a VERY fundy church, the minister told a story of a former member who left the group.
When the minister dropped by to see the X follower, the man had " tattoos, long hair & beard, was smoking and drinking a beer!!!"
The man invited the minister in for the BBQ and family at the pool ☺️
The minister declined. Such a terrible end to the X follower and and his family. BBQ by the pool with family, etc.
Such a sinful lifestyle.
❤ Ya Brandon
Long hair, beard, and maybe wine instead of beer, would likely get Jesus' approval.
@reasonablespeculation3893
Yeah, all the sins. Long hair, beard, tats, smoking, drinking...
🙄
Nevertheless, you seem to be assuming a lot about that situation. And is the minister not free to decline the invitation? Ever had anyone decline your invitation?
@christophergibson7155
The minister declined to have BBQ because the X-member had fallen so far down into sin.
Terrible bigotry. As if tats and beer make him a monster.
I'm also quite sure the minister was lying.
Nobody goes from zero tats, non-smoker/drinker, short hair, clean shaved ... Inside a couple of months.
It was just another lie/gross exaggeration that the believers like to make up about those of us who leave. It makes them feel better.
Happy atheists are never the result of apostasy you know.
I’d like to introduce him to a group of Greek Orthodox monks I know who have extremely long hair they wear in a bun underneath their big hats as well as extremely long beards as well. But they don’t smoke dope even if they do kind of look like it.
My deconversion led me to see sexuality and reproductive rights in a different light. Nothing else changed, but this turned out to be a lot. The truth set me free indeed: from a life of internalized guilt and shame.
Killing babies because of casual sex is immoral
@@GreenCanvasInteriorscapefunny how you immediately jump to conclusions
@@GreenCanvasInteriorscape God allowing my friend to die because she "trusted Jesus" and chose not to have an abortion after medical advice is immoral. Do you ever think about the consequences of what you say so casually? How hateful.
@GreenCanvasInteriorscape
Cuz 26cells is a moving, breathing, baby
Rape is totally just causal sex
And the mother having a high chance of dying or permanent injury if they don't have an abortion of a baby the doctors confirmed would probably not even make it is totally just Killing a baby cuz of Causal Sex
Cuz morality doesn't exist right?
You care more about something that can't even breathe yet than the person who has to birth them- or the hecking environment they'll be born into
There's 8billion people in the world c'mon
@GreenCanvasInteriorscape
Cuz that Original commentor totally said they got a ton of abortions right
That commentor was just yapping about how they love having abortions every Sunday like it was their church, they eat that pill like it was the blood of Jesus Christ himself, right?
Cuz you can't possibly think of someone having another opinion than you so you leap to conclusions about someone you dk, right?
If you're allowed to make bold assumptions on people I will too
But only on you 💀
Totally agree with you Brandon. The blinders on Christians are amazing. Having been a Christian, who deconstructed, it’s not any ONE thing that led me away. Part of it was that I finally actually read the Bible entirely, and critically. I was in shock as to what this God we worshipped was all about. Another part was realizing the effect of blind belief, how it is detrimental to critical thought and harmful to society. The third part was the pervasive attitude of self righteousness and tribal in group thinking it created. And the fourth part was realizing in many cases this religion is outright indoctrination, feeding especially young children and teens nothing but their version of the truth.
"The third part was the pervasive attitude of self righteousness and tribal in group thinking it created." 100% great point.
Wow! This one really fit in my past week. I had a Christian trolling your channel coming at me for my comment on your recent 300 reason's video and he echoed a great deal of what you said in this show. Brandon, you may not want to read further here, b/c I'm going to take a selfish moment below for IF that person reads this comment to let him know I'm not the 'sinner' he believes me to be.
My story:
I am a 59 year old man, married with 2 boys, cradle Catholic, 12 yrs of Catholic school. Sent my kids to Catholic school. I have a masters and bachelors in mathematics and have worked as a Data Scientist for over 34 years in an Acturial Department. I served daily mass all through college and only missed mass are very rare occasions up through the age of 53.
My path to lose my faith came when my then oldest son was 17 and announced he was an atheist. So, I set out to prove him wrong! Reading and listening to everything I could and wow! The evidence pointed in one and only one direction. So, I kept studying, reading, listening. And finally, it was undeniable, there was no evidence of God. And, in particular, the Christian God is as silly as Santa Claus.
My conversion was not for sin. I feel I am a very good person. I lost my eyesight starting when I was 27 and did not let that stop me and went on and have raised over $200,000 in charity, and even have spoken on Washing D.C. to lobby for my eye disease (search me on RUclips if you want to know more of my bio). I now have the visual field the size of a sewing pin.
I try every single day to be better, to be a better person. I screw up….sure….but my goal is to be a good person above all else. I don't need a god to do this!
Good for you!! It takes a lot of effort to come to the sound conclusion god/the bible isn't real.
Gibson trolls a massive amount on this channel. That may be the one you're discussing, although there are a few regulars on here...Daniel Blair, Ken Shiloh etc.
They make _zero good solid points or conversations!_
Keep up the good walk!
@@QuestionThingsUseLogicharmonic athiest blocks them when they pop up 😂. He's done dealing with them.
I was talking to a theist about the existence of god and one of their comment was that I was angry. I had to pause an contemplate what was it that I said that reflected anger at something. I make a point of never challenging the person just their claim. There is no name calling, no personal attacks, just facts against the claim. What compelled them to say I was angry? This is also the feeling I get when I get the 'just want to sin' comment. What even is sin and what motivation do I have to do it? This is why I'll never understand why people believe in a god. My brain is just not wired to need one. The ironic thing is, if there is one, I get to go to hell just for being me.
Compliment them on being in touch with their irrational feminine side
And remind them again what's their point?
I think somewhere this has become a common rebuttal that they use. I was told I was angry as well, when I began to explain why I had doubts and no longer believed. I thought about it, then said, No, I am not angry, but I am empassioned. I feel for the first time, I can see. A cloud of darkness has been lifted.
I don't get why they think those things inherently mean anything in the first place. An atheist being angry or wanting to "sin", isn't proof of a god.
@@terrencelockett4072 That is true and I can only assume they view nonbelievers as believers rebelling against god. That we still believe. I guess it's hard for them to grasp no god existing. That we have no god in our life.
I was born angry apparently because belief in magical inter dimensional wizards never crossed my mind. In all my 68 years it has become very apparent the most angry most loathsome most arrogantly ignorant people are the ones telling everyone else how miserable they are without their cult and it’s group think. _Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated your distinctiveness will be added to the Christian collective, surrender_
“Rejecting bad evidence is not immoral; it’s honest.” Now that’s a great quote if ever I’ve heard one. Thanks, as always, for helping to normalize the experience of so many of us, Brandon.
They must vilify the Athiest as acknowledging the Athiest's honest inquiry would poke holes in their faith
This! This is precisely it. Your existence is a threat to their world view, a world view that hinges on blind faith. No questioning. No critical thinking. Folks who disagree and stand for the opposite threaten the collapse of everything they believe in and plant don't in their heads.
20:00 Hope you see this and bud, “Rejecting bad evidence is not immoral.” … Putting it this way specifically… thank you, truly. This isn’t *about* opposition, even though it often feels that way since we can wrestle with it so much internally, and since our brothers and sisters do accept it to varying extents, affecting our conversations, lives and relationships. This is at its heart, about choosing to reject bad evidence, and framing it so simply just provided me with so much clarity. Thank you Brandon!
I "came out" to a Christian friend of mine early in my deconversion journey. I thoight he was a safe person to share my doubts and struggles with because his wife had mentioned that he was "struggling" as well.
When I sat down and tried to have a conversation with him, I explained my struggles and some of the issues I'd discovered with Christianity, and he just waved me off. He said something like "I'm having issues, but nothing quite like that. You're dealing with issues I don't want to touch."
We didn't talk about it again until I had become and atheist, and at that point he had a theology student friend of his "attack" me.
"Coming out" in any sense is a dangerous proposition, and no matter what you're setting yourself up for heartache.
your channel is simply amazing. you’ve been such a huge help in my deconstruction journey, and this community has helped me to realize that i am not alone. thank you for all the effort and the hard work you put into these videos
"I don't know how you can say that with a shred of integrity or honesty." Well, there you go.
On the ring thing, if you still want to wear one, go get a silicon ring. You can even get a gold-colored one if you want. My traditional ring cause my finger to throb frequently and switching to silicon totally relieved that symptom. Plus, they are quite inexpensive, so it's not a real investment.
The “recruiters” at colleges, after making their spiel, love to plant that seed of self-doubt in your morals or to give that “cosmic judge” rent in you head. Whether they are earnest or malicious, they want to ensnare you by telling you that rejecting God or the Bible is an act of pride. I rewatched your video about predatory evangelizing tactics, and yes, it is disgusting. I was approached in my freshman year in college because they probably marked me as a rudderless soul in need of salvation. When I walked away from them, I felt relief, but I still felt a little guilt. They would send a recruiter or two after me to try and reel me in again, but I turned them down. In my gut I felt they were predatory, but I didn’t have a word for it. Thanks, Brandon, for articulating the effect this sneaky trick either as a newcomer or someone who is deconstructing their beliefs. Looking forward to Thursday!
I don't know what these recruiters said to you. If they were truly preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ to you, then they were obedient to "The Great Commission". (Mark 16:15)And if that was the case then you saying... "but I still felt a little guilt" was most probably the Holy Spirit bringing conviction to your conscience over your sin. That was a good thing, to awaken your conscience to your helpless and hopeless state of your sin. Jesus said that He was the light of the world. And that light exposes the darkness of sin. (John 3:19) Don't harden yourself in your sin. (Hebrews 3:7-8a) Come to Jesus. He is truly a loving Savior. He is ever so faithful. He will forgive and cleanse you, and make you a brand new creation in Christ. Sin will be a thing of the past.
At the risk of asking a dumb question, were you specifically applying to Christian colleges? I toured a handful of schools a few years ago when my daughter was looking, and religion was only brought up once. It happened to be from the campus chaplain who just wanted us to know that they had services available if she was interested in them. No pressure, no guilt.
Perhaps it's a regional thing, we are in the northeast. 🤷♂️
@ I went to a secular college in NYC, but there was an organization called The Inter-Varsity Christian Fellowship. They would approach an individual privately and invite them to have a “discussion about religion.” At first they are not specific about Christianity or Jesus. Once you sit with them however they proselytize about the Bible. In my individual experience, one proselytizer asked, “If you had to choose between God and someone you loved, who would it be?” The questions got increasingly weird, but they softened the blow by reading from “God’s Greatest Hits.” Not Joshua, or Samuel (I or II), and DEFINITELY not Revelation. They follow that meeting up with a second one, and the weirdness continued. Finally, they asked if I wanted to be Christian. I said, “no,” because my instincts were ringing all sorts of alarms. They started asking me tougher and tougher questions until I said “I have to go.” As I left, one called out that I was “very uneducated.” (I spent some time talking about Roman Emperors during this session, because we would discuss some 1 century CE history. Nope, just gospel).
I don’t know if the Inter-Varsity Christian Fellowship is still active. It’s been several years, but yeah, they would go to secular colleges for their proselytizing activities. I’m sure they won a few over. Thankfully, I wasn’t one of them.
@@DrakeTimbershaft Wow, that's wild. I guess I'm happy to hear that they were 3rd party religious nutjobs, not actual college recruiters. My limited college recruiting experiences (with my daughter) were in upstate NY and a little in MA. They must've chosen The City to target as many heathens as they could in one location 😂
@@christophergibson7155 Why does God allow Satan/Devil to continue sinning against mankind in the form of leading believers away from God?
Atheist: Quoting scripture won't convince me.
Theist:
I know you've heard it all before, but just listen! It'll be different this time, i promise. Just look at the trees! The human eye is so complex!
Atheist: Quoting abhorrent stories from the bible.
Christians: Thats not in the bible\ thats out of context.
I just don't want to be a ghost worshiper afraid of thunder.
As the only atheist in the family my father told me I was an agent of the devil. He told me this while I was visiting from interstate to help him out! My Mother when she found out she had terminal cancer asked me to be her medical attorney. in her words "I don't want my medical treatment effected by their beliefs, I want someone who is thinking only about me". She was a christian along with my Father. Take that as you will.
Christians want you to want to sin, because if you aren't evil like my dad claimed I was, then their god does not mean as much.
11:19 “the glasses shattered from their head” - this was exactly my experience! I couldn’t just believe any more. Belief doesn’t work that way. When those glasses shattered is when I finally had to admit I was no longer a believer. I was almost 50 years old when that happened. It still surprises me sometimes.
We can always point out the sins god committed and his hypocrisy in judging us. I can't wait until someone says god can't sin.
Personally, in my experience, I often can't help but see many people who use it as self-projection. My Christian dad said to me that if God wasn't real, he would go about and do all kinds of sins. After all, he wasn't going to get punished when he died.
yeah, that's what we want. It's exhausting, making up my list of planned sins every night, committing them the next day, then ticking them off my list.
@maggienewton8518 remember to vary the sins you make every day in your checklist. Otherwise it gets stale.
@@CB66941 I know....more and more work....
This is what “god-fearing” means.
@@maggienewton8518"Dammit, I should be doing Sloth today but I'm invited to my friend's birthday this evening... Hey, Josh, can we trade sin-plans? I need your Gluttony, you can have Sloth."
"Sorry, I traded lists with Stephanie. That girl gets Lust so often you'd think it's the only sin there is."
"Aw shucks. Well, at least it's better than Alex. She is supposed to break the 220th commandment today so she is running all over the place looking for a field in the seventh year which she can plow and sow seeds on."
When I lost my faith, the very concept of “sin” disappeared - I came to understand that the word was nothing more than shorthand for “things organized religion doesn’t like.” Many have accused me of leaving the church because “you want to sin” when the polar opposite is true: I could no longer justify continuing to believe in the theology, so I left in search of something else - leaving the concept of “sin” behind was an unintended consequence.
What i find so very hilarious is that in all my years on this earth, NOBODY has ever been able to give a concrete answer as to what sin is other than some vague evil. I've asked in such simple terms. What is sin? What exactly constitutes as sin? How can it be detected, measured, and quantified? Once we understand what it is, it can be stopped. Like Jesus, remember that "he lived a perfect, sinless life" okay... what does that mean? The answer is completely different from person to person.
Went to the credit union yesterday. Although I saw the armed security guard in the lobby, I pretended he didn’t exist because I just wanted to rob the bank.
What is "sin," actually?
Excellent discussion, very poetic.
Sin according to the Bible is transgressing the law, and yes people that don't even know they are in transgression are still sinning.
@@Rickie-x2 What is "the law" of the Bible, why and how could anyone follow it if the Bible consistently contradicts itself, and why would a god impel the Bible's authors to write a book that is impossible for readers to understand and not transgress?
@lynnjacobs9885 What am awesome question Lynn.
Starting with we live in a fallen world and we got this way because somebody thought they knew better than God 🙄
And so God from even before the world was made began his work in reconciling fallen humanity back to himself. His law was the closest thing to his character that was given to the children of Israel back in the days of Moses and you are correct in that nobody in this world is able to keep that law perfectly except Jesus, but he gave his law to Israel and they could not even begin to obey the law because they had the instructions but they did not have the mind the heart and the Spirit to obey the law, and they failed miserably. This is why we have the new testament (covenant) that God is making with the people that he selected long before we were ever born and he puts his Spirit into us and gives us the desire and want to keep his laws which he doesn't do how the rest of humanity for whatever his reasons. But in this life the law is the closest thing to the nature of God that we have for instructions in how to become reconciled back with God, in fact God is the Savior of this world and he's going to save every single soul that was ever born and died in this world, but that will not happen until after the great white throne of judgment where everyone will be corrected and between that time and the time they are also reconciled back with God who knows??? But the point is that Jesus said that man shall not live by bread alone but BY every word of God, and if people would just sit back and think about that, they would come up with the same conclusion that I have. That everyone who ever lived and died in their sins will one day be doing his laws as well, and they will also live and eat from the tree of life. Sooooooo if you are not at all inclined to be reading about or trying to keep God's laws then don't let that worry you because it's not his time to deal with you in that manner and you might not be called to Christ, but the day will come when you will have that desire to come to Christ and then to be keeping the same laws that he did and that will only be because he put that into your heart to do. God really loves all of his creation no matter what religion or even if they are no religion, he loves everybody and his purpose for sending Jesus into this world is to save everybody.
@@Rickie-x2so, everyone will end up in heaven, anyway? And every single person will end up doing god's will anyway?
@christophermonteith2774 ultimately every single person that was ever born and died in this world in their sins will be reconciled back with God. He's already accomplished this when Jesus died on the cross for All of our sins, but only the people who have his Spirit and who willingly transform themselves into his image will be saved from the second death. The second death will come to everyone who was not chosen into this royal Priesthood and this will be yet another temporary time of separation from God in the New Earth, but when it's all said and done, every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. This will happen. I should also mention that even present atheists will have his Spirit and confess him as Lord. Even present satanists. For God to lose over single soul to eternal damnation means that the devil won and he lost, but that's a joke.
Atheist here. Last Christmas I gave my hotel room to a homeless person. I wonder how many "Christians" did that last Christmas?
not unless it was for "likes" on their RUclips channel where they grift a tax free living off of the guilt of other Christians.
So true and how kind you did that. I live in Ireland and we have thousands of churches here. There is maybe 9 churches within 2 miles of my house. Anyway, how many of the churches here open their doors at night to let the homeless in? Answer is zero. Yet church i went to, the car park each sunday was packed with nice BMW's and Mercs and brand new Range Rovers where after the service they all had their coffee in the new 6 million pound extension.
@@northernsegageorge6510any insights as to the Irish hyper overreaction and sympathy towards the Muslim Brotherhood and jihad and Hamas in hysterically carrying on about Israel fighting a just war?
My theory is it's Christian projection, everything Christian pagan Europe has done in their debauched history they accuse Israel of as the Muslim hordes within Europe rage and rampage yet Israel is the problem 🤷
@@northernsegageorge6510 indeed
Beautiful
I just love the self-flattering notion that religious people somehow don’t “sin.” Just compare the relatively religious US with more secular western democracies, which are way less pathological.
only 1 in 1,000 prisoner's serving time in the penitentiary ,identify as Atheists'
Hey Brandon! I just released my 10-episode video series on Religious Trauma that I've been teasing for a few months now. You told me to let you know when it's ready. I reference your channel and content several times throughout the series. I emailed you with some more details and ideas. Look forward to hearing from you.
Sounds very interesting as I'm quite traumatized myself, and probably not the only one around these parts lol. Link?
@H.G.Roberts subbed and will check out your series!
@@QuestionThingsUseLogic Grateful to Brandon for paving the way for others to tell their stories!
@@H.G.Roberts absolutely, Brandon has so much to offer! I'll start watching your series soon too.
Damn, 2:50 that was exactly my experience. I took advantage of every resource, preachers, youth ministers, reading my Bible. I'd spent my whole life in the church, until it just didn't make sense anymore. It's been 15 years of deconstruction and what a hard, emotional road it's been..
I struggled until I was 60; that's how hard it was for me. If I saved all of my tears, I could probably bathe in them. 😮💨
"Once he deconverted he moved in with his girlfriend".
He moved in with his girlfriend!? Oh, the horror! What a terrible sin to move in with your girlfriend!
As a Dane I'm so far removed from this particular Christian mindset that I can only laugh at what constitutes a grave sin in these people's eyes. It's ridiculous.
I’m 66 years old and if I were to do it over again I would not have sex until I was married. Has nothing to do with religion it’s just a nice thought I wouldn’t be playing house with somebody, or having sex for the fun of it. It would be a true commitment.
a god honoring christian would never have a girlfriend. he'd buy his church buddy's teenage daughter as a fuckslave like a truly virtuous man.
@@KAT-dg6el Based. Even secularists can see premarital is bad. Making seggs casual has lead to some pretty awful things. Divorce rates, loneliness of Gen Z, fewer people getting married, adult content addiction, single parenthood, to name a few
Yes, in the eyes of God fornication, which presumably the cohabitation would facilitate, is a terrible sin. God is not going to relax His moral standard and indulge sins just because you think you are a great Dane.
@@ColinWrubleski-eq5sh No one's asking God to lower His moral standard here. In fact I'd like to se Him raise His moral standards quite a bit. Getting his priorities right between passively watching millions of children starve to death and getting bothered by consenting adults in a relationship having sex would be a good place to start, I think.
Speaking of your wife, shout out to her, real talk. I'm sure you realizing you no longer believe anymore was a gut punch she was not ready for and you guys make it work everyday. You got a good girl. Not trying say you don't know and show your appreciation for that obviously, simply just expressing that you being able to make this awesome content is inpart because she understands you and knows where you're coming from, and as far as I'm concerned that's real love man. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
1000%!
Very happy this series is back!
This makes me think about what I am always being told by friends and family, that I should raise my child in Church or else she will not have a sense of morality. That I also would not have had a sense of right or wrong if I had not been raised in Church. I no longer bother to argue my point on this. It is exhausting
I left X-tianity because the religion didn't make sense, it made me insane in all day-to-day aspects of my life (from obsessing about demons to having extreme behaviours as one would have to display if they took Jesus' words seriously), fundamentally scared and selfish (because everything was about my own salvation in the end), as well as hypocritical and jealous (at the carefree attitude of non-believers who were allowed to be happy in their lives without being crushed by a bunch of insane and arcane rules that no longer had any utility in the 21st century). Even if there's another god somewhere (as the Jeebus one is obviously false), I will never worship something or someone else ever again. Even the most benevolent dictatorship remains a dictatorship, and I'm done with giving away my own autonomy. Period.
"Even the most benevolent dictatorship remains a dictatorship, and I'm done with giving away my own autonomy." Yes!!!
And I don't think a lot of Christians and even ex-christians recognize how they are being scared and selfish due to the indoctrination surrounding their religious salvation.
It stopped making sense to me when I was only 10,
Then again I would rather watch things on science, over kids cartoons, or pick up non fiction books over a story book.
That was lucky enough to see many different parts of the world from Canada to North America and New Zealand.
While the most religious people have barley left thier own local area yet alone country.
I think that I am a much better person since deconverting, certainly more tolerant towards people with different lifestyles than me. I didn't change my political views much but do tend to examine issues more closely rather than reacting from a religious perspective.
I was a judgmental a-hole when I was a Christian, myself. I'm grieved about my former intolerance & bigotry.
As a Christian, I agree that "you just want your sin" is a ridiculous argument
To be honest i struggle and wanna go to Church soon but to me is scares me when a Christian says i will go to Hell because i keep my sins.. i mean :(
God wants love, not fear
There are literally RUclipsrs saying most of us are doomed
I pray that Jesus guides me Amen❤️
@HokutoNoJiHaiGie it seems there are specific denominations that are focused on preaching that message. Others are more focused on Christ creating an overlap between Heaven and Earth. That we get to participate in that.
@@joshuatrott193 What does Dénomination means?, sorry im french
@HokutoNoJiHaiGie different extensions of Christianity. I'd encourage you to try some different Churches
@ I plan to visit a Church, now i aint 100% sure i ain't Christian because most i seen on youtube around scared me more than ever with their titles like ''You are christian but you are going to hell you just don't know it'' ha ok thanks for confirming me my life is done, how can it encourage someone to keep having their faith if they say we already failed and it has become useless? Since you are Christian sir i mean no offense to you but i really need to know what being a TRUE Christian means, instead of spreading fear of hell cuz the bible said so
Would christians just say that to my teenage self that was having panic attacks because she was doubting god existed? I had a major mental health crisis when i was 14 and I was asked if i did drugs, consulted a tarotist or a witch, even told that anime was ‘opening’ the door to “demons”- I was never encouraged to seek professional help or therapy of any kind. I didn’t ‘doubt’ because I wanted to do ‘wordly’ activities, I did because religion was hurting me
Theists: "You atheists just want to sin!"
Me: "Us atheists aren't the ones with still-ongoing embezzlement and CSA lawsuits against us."
I love how much sense you make
Thank you Brandon! It’s comforting to hear your sane voice of reason, as always. It sucks that no longer being a Christian has affected all your close relationships. That sounds super isolating. I haven’t lost family relationships over this, but I’ve certainly left lots of religious acquaintances behind. If you’re ever in Western NC, I’d love to buy you a coffee or beer.
Another Mindshift video that voices my feelings and experiences with soaring eloquence! Thank you Brandon.
I love this video. I hope it reaches at least one person who desperately needs to hear it.
2 things sparked my leaving:
1. Every type of Christianity thinks every other kind of Christian is wrong. 18 year old me was tired of finding the right way to believe.
2. I was scared to think outside what I was taught, because I was scared of Hell. The only reason I opened up was thanks to my first girlfriend, who went to every kind of church imagineable.
Yeah, I want to sin SOOOOO much! 19 years of marriage and I’ve never been tempted to stray even once, helped raise 2 amazing daughters, strive to be honest & ethical in all my work, I have an occasional drink but haven’t been drunk in over 20 years, have never been tempted to try illegal drugs. Oh gosh, I’m such a sinner!
Even if you got drunk every week and did every drug imaginable, it wouldn't automatically make you a bad person! Vices do NOT equate to immorality, and don't let anyone tell you it does.
I saw a comment earlier, can't find it. Apparently the response is "the devil doesn't tempt you anymore because he has already won"
@ which makes no sense at all. If the devil isn’t tempting me and I’m living a good, honest, upright, kind, loving life, and god still condemns me to hell, then f**k that god anyway.
@@CharlesPayet even if you did every substance on the face of the planet.. that wouldn't automatically make you a bad person
As a deconvert, some of my values changed. That was the result of deconversion not the cause of it.
Your videos are so good. I respect your intelligence. I thank you. All the best mate.
Atheism, found from disbelief, stayed for the sin! Which still grounds this whole "problem" in theism. I reject it all.
There are a significant number of people who would much rather be told they are a miserable sinner who deserves hell but can be saved if they turn to Christ than have to decide for themselves who they are in a world that can be exciting and beautiful but is also very very tough with no easy or definitive answers.
"Hall Pass to Hedonism" is my new band name lol
Brilliant video! 👏🏻 I really needed this today.
On an unrelated note, Hall Pass to Hedonism needs to be a band
Severely underrated comment! 🏆
@@diandian9827 I mean, I just wrote it, but thanks :D
Early 2000's Hot Topic band? 😅
I tried christianity very briefly (months perhaps).
It turned me into a self-righteous, hypocritical monster I didn't even know, like, or even recognize my own reflection in the mirror.
I couldn't run away fast enough... and I have my peace once more!
I don't believe in anyone's god or creator.
When I walked away from my religion and no longer believed in a Hell to punish the wicked and a Heaven to reward the good, it occurred to me that what you get in this life is ALL you get. So if you're a corporate vampire who lives off the pain of others, there's no punishment for that. But if you die of starvation in abject poverty, there's no compensation in a heaven either. That realization pushed me to became a BETTER person, believing that I NEEDED to care about how I treated others because this life is all we get.
I never understood where Christians get this idea that morality is reserved for them. The Apostle Paul talks of everyone is born with a sense of right and wrong .
Right on the money! For me it was undercover in that nobody challenged me but any closeness was gone. I moved to another state and every time I came back everyone was further away.
As a Christian, I do agree and believe that we ask Christians need to stop doing the whole oh you became an atheist just so you can sin. it just doesn't do anything.
Particularly not when only 0.02% of prison inmates in the USA are atheist!
Either we are very well behaved or very skilled at getting away with crimes!
Thank you Brandon for your insight, honesty and confirmation. It is much appreciated.
I needed this!
Funny how when I, as senior citizen, fell away nobody accused me of wanting to sin. They all just say I'm crazy. They all think I just went over the deep end! 😂
I was a born in and raised a Jehovah's Witness. When I woke up and deconstructed, and realized this is all we have. There is no sky daddy coming to save us. I felt the need to do as much as I can to help my community, be kind, recycle etc. I became a much better person as an agnostic.
18:00-ish - Ooof, that sounds painful! So sorry you're dealing with both the nerve stuff and people being nasty over the fact that you can't/don't wear your ring because of it. I hope the nerve stuff is temporary/gets better soon!
Yep... I'm all about the sin of empathy, gotta be my favorite sin.
When I first told my parents that I’m an atheist, they told me that I want to be my own god and that I just want to sin. It felt to me that they gave me zero benefit of the doubt, and they never showed an interest in understanding the journey of learning and understanding I’ve undertaken. My mother has specifically requested that I not share things with her because she doesn’t want to doubt. And my father simply assumes he knows my morals because he knows I’m an atheist, so he just lumps me in with his assumptions about “secular society.” Yet, he never bothers to recognize that he knows me better, or at least, that he could if he got out of his head about it for two seconds. And I’ve been an atheist for 17 years now.
I often have to explain that if I wanted to "just sin" I would have simply walked away from Christianity without a second thought. Easy-peasy.
What actually happened is that I wanted to draw as close to God as possible and understand his word to best of my ability both through devout study and through the leading of the Holy Spirit. It was this deep dive into the bible and Christianity (and Judaism) that brought me to the realization that it's simply a man made system of belief (just like all religion).
It was at that point that I left the faith. Not because I "wanted to sin", but because it didn't make sense to continue living my life based off of a fabricated belief system that claims to be factual.
So much deconversion begins with a desire to nail down the precise message - to fix the ambiguities. This might be something that many who stay in "just want to" not bother with, because they don't take it as seriously as did those who left.
Ooh oh, Girls, just want to have fun, yeah !
The title reminds me of that old pop song "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun!" LOL
My response is just "okay" with a shrug. Maybe a couple audible blinks. It's like using Confusion in Pokemon.
Thank you for this video. I relate so well. Navigating believer’s assumptions has been a real sensitive area for me. This video is very insightful and validating. Love the channel!!
I think a lot of Christians respond this way because they look at a doubter as someone who has a disease. A Christian has to immediately put distance between that relationship. In fear of revealing their own doubts that they have had or could have as a result. They have to keep their mind in this mental pocket because of the fear of accidentally stepping outside of it. Love this topic because I hate how lame of a response you get after the hundreds of hours of trying to think critically. Its seriously insulting to the doubter.
"In fear of revealing their own doubts that they have" I'm sure this is why my brother tries to goad me into arguments about god. He's really trying to cling to his beliefs while beginning to have serious conflicts.
@maggienewton8518 oh yea I have family members like this myself. They want to poke your brain about why because there is that curiousity under the surface. "How could one ever fall out from the lord after being saved?" I think its representing an internal dialogue within them as well.
The most I ever sinned in my life was when I was a "Christian" some 40 years ago. Now, nah.
This was a really good video, I decided to leave Christianity because I looked at my Christian doctrine process, it started as a Jehovah witness, then I became a trinitarian, and eventually when I was serious about studying I became a calvinist, so I had multiple changes throughout my Christian Journey.
So when I started examining the Bible from different perspectives like predestination versus free will, I came to the conclusion that the only answer was it's a mystery, and I realized it's not a good enough answer for something that is about salvation, an eternal destination, and things just seem to go against God a lot, that are morally questionable, it's mentally disturbing what Christianity has done to me, the guilt and the shame of never being morally perfect, sinless, the only place Christianity was leading me was to an early grave, I would have started with cutting. 😒
REJECTION of RELIGIONS will bring HONOR and GOD'S REWARD, FAVORS, and BLESSINGS
because
the UNBIBLICAL teachings and doctrines of the Pastors and Leaders of Religions about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
are
all false, worthless and useless, nothing but LIES, tricks, and deceits
that
bring nothing but dishonor, disgrace, shame, and will definitely cause the downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS
of
Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
while
LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
rejected Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless
and
willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18
will
definitely be honored and rewarded in return by the Sovereign GOD with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4
and
the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
are
obviously NOT for Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions too
but
ONLY for all the LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
who
are all worthy and deserving of being RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and
fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of GOD and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Sovereign GOD's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@@jaflenbond7854 Oh boy, here we go again. Another Bible believer claiming that Jesus isn't a religion. If you follow Biblical doctrine and have beliefs based on that, you are following a religion. And any God who sends ANYONE to ETERNAL HELL, UNJUSTLY is evil. Doesn't matter if they're atheist, Christian or whatever, no one deserves that. And your belief here doesn't make sense, a Christian is someone who believes in the Bible, believes in Jesus, and tries to live their life according to that. Is that not what you're doing? "Submitting to Jesus" is exactly what being a Christian is. This is just that repackaged with a different label, your belief makes no sense. When we say we reject RELIGION, we LITERALLY mean we reject it, we reject the Bible, we reject hell, we do not believe ANY of it. YOU are a CHRISTIAN.
@@kassd4169 All that were written in the BIBLE about GOD and JESUS CHRIST are OFFENSIVE and UNACCEPTABLE
to
Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, fanatics of all kinds of Religions, and Atheists
who
will NOT LIVE and LAST on EARTH FOREVER
because
their own LIES, tricks, deceits, and UNBIBLICAL teachings, claims, and doctrines about "hellfire", "Trinity", "Armageddon", "God doesn't exist", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
will
definitely bring and cause their own dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS
while
the BIBLE is the source of the TRUTH that HUMAN BEINGS will LIVE and EXIST FOREVER
because
all persons on earth who -
1. treat their co-human beings with love, kindness, and respect as written in Matthew 22: 39
and
2. honor and obey Jesus Christ as their loving, kind, and merciful Master and Heavenly King in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18
are
clearly the LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
are worthy and deserving of the Sovereign GOD's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death not in heaven but on a safe and peaceful Earth without LIARS, slanderers, traitors, perverts, murderers, and deceitful persons as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4, 8
and
the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are the guarantee
that
all the LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
will
definitely be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and
fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of GOD and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Sovereign GOD's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
Another great video. I agree. I didn’t stop believing because I wanted to “sin”. I stopped believing because I stopped believing in “fairytales”. My way of behaving or morality didn’t change.
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Brandon, 1000% Agreed. The whole sin thing takes on a different effect when you're in the faith. You actually "Sin" less when you've deconstructed. When I was a believer, my crimes were laid at God's feet, knowing he'll forgive me no matter what. I wasn't out there cheating, killing, graping, or stealing. But I knew god had me. There was a whole "Forbiben Fruit" concept that made it enticing. When you've deconstructed, the sneaky desire is just 'Meh' at that point. You dont lose your morals, you just live your day to day life. Great Video Sir!!👍🏾
There’s prisons around the world that’s overwhelmed with “Believers” in a God and, they ENTERED prison WITH those beliefs. Yet, believing in a God DIDN’T stop the majority of them from committing horrible crimes. Those criminals didn’t “denounce” God in favor to “sin” or, to “sin more.” So, for all the Christians out there… please, explain these “Faithful” criminals to us atheists. ☺️
LIES, TRICKS, and DECEPTIONS will NEVER bring GOD'S REWARD, FAVORS, and BLESSINGS
and
Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, fanatics of all kinds of Religions, and Atheists
who
condemn and slander their co-human beings as nothing but worthless and useless "SINNERS"
will
NOT LIVE and LAST on EARTH FOREVER
because
their own LIES, tricks, deceits, and UNBIBLICAL teachings, claims, and doctrines about "hellfire", "Trinity", "Armageddon", "God doesn't exist", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
will
definitely bring and cause their own dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS
while
LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who -
1. treat their co-human beings with love, kindness, and respect as written in Matthew 22: 39
and
2. honor and obey Jesus Christ as their loving, kind, and merciful Master and Heavenly King in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18
will
definitely be honored and rewarded by the Sovereign GOD with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death not in heaven but on a safe and peaceful Earth without LIARS, slanderers, traitors, perverts, murderers, and deceitful persons as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4, 8
and
the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are the guarantee
that
all the LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
will
definitely be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and
fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of GOD and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Sovereign GOD's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
It's just another temper tantrum believers throw when the conversation doesn't go their way. They have a laundry list of nonsense they throw out in an emergency, which considering how patchwork their religion is is pretty much all the time. And as many other people have pointed out, as an atheist, everything I do i have to come to terms with myself, if I make a mistake or harm someone or myself, I can't just think up some magic words in my head and just instantly be forgiven for it, I have to actually deal with it, so if i wanted to sin, I'd be a theist. It's just more projection from them.
They’ll come at you with an opposite version if you don’t ‘just want to sin:’
“If you really love righteousness, you will become a Christian because only God can make you righteous”
"There is no god & we hate him" How is this possible?
It's technically possible it's just irrelevant to any point about the existence of their god they're trying to make. Hating a fictional character doesn't make the fictional character real.
For me, the hating god part came first. I could let go of the anger and hate once I realized there is no god, we people are responsible for our own behaviors.
Hello friends. a couple of months ago I was in a live chat with a fundamentalist and I mentioned I enjoyed having fun. Fun? ...that made me think how awful not to be able to have fun. and how awful for their children. Makes me shudder to thing about raising kids to not have any fun. Hugs from Mexico Jacques still having fun. Laughing is good therapy
When I was a kid/teenager and tried to be a christian, I quit wanting to go to church because deep down I found it a loooot less fun than listening to baseball games or listening to Kiss records - both of which came with a huge amount of guilt because I was supposedly putting the things of the world before the things of god. So in that sense, I just wanted to "sin". Especially with the Kiss and other rock records.
Finally in my 20s I just faced the truth about myself. I didn't like going to church, it was based in guilt and misery. Also, being a woman, I got sick and tired of this god telling me I was second rate. I *knew* that was a lie. And I got tired of not being allowed to enjoy anything. My common sense was telling me that the music of Jimi Hendrix was more true to life than a bunch of hymns.
I still believed in god (I was too afraid not to) but I just quit living a religious life, then in my 40s I finally realized that xtianity was basically the same as the Aztecs killing people on their pyramids or people throwing virgins in a volcano - primitive bloodthirsty ignorance that required killing someone else so you could be safe. It fell away then. I was finally free and I've enjoyed deconstruction information because it showed me the details of how it all doesn't make sense, where and how in history it came to be thus proving how man-made it all was and bolstering my natural inclination to let it all go. I've been so much happier being an atheist. And, no, I've not turned into an axe murderer or even a child molester like so many youth pastors have been discovered to be.
"being a woman, I got sick and tired of this god telling me I was second rate" 100%!!! (I love your Aztec reference)
@@maggienewton8518 Thank you. :)
If only I could articulate my thoughts like you…..👍!!!!!