I really like that bike my buddy has a 900 rally pro. Every one is missing one of the best change they made. The air filter is a lot more friendly to change.
Thanks for the comment. In my case I didn’t miss that the air filter was easy to change … I never had a Tiger before so no basis for comparison. 😊 I would bet that you will *never* see a review video mention something like that unless the person (a) has a previous year off the same model, (b) they actually worked on their bike themselves, and (c) they had difficulties accessing the air filter in the past. 🤔 Owning and reviewing are two different things, and sometimes the best reviews can come from owners, but then there is bias to consider.
Really appreciated your attention to detail regarding the changes, and your personal opinions (like the bar to adjust screen height). Thank you for this relaxed, enjoyable comparison video. Sometimes a bit of a ramble is good. Little nuances come out that are helpful. 👍
Think will hold on to my 23 Rally. The 24 is sweet but not a big update so I can justify the money. I would jump to the 1200 Rally or a 1290 KTM. But the light and nimble feel of the 900 goes out the door.
Regarding the speedo over reading, i thought the exact same thing when i test rode both the 24 rally pro and gt pro. They read about 5mph over at 40mph, and similar all the way up! I checked my 23 STRS 765 with my phone and its very accurate in comparison, showing 1-2mph over at the most!
Exactly. Some bikes are within 1 mph and others are way off, and the forums are full of people who make all sorts of excuses for this nonsense, claiming they do it for legal reasons etc. Laws establish tolerance on accuracy (i.e. + some number / - 0) which is not a requirement to overestimate speed. My GMC struck is dead on at all speeds and the Tracer was acceptably close to dead on. The BMW and Tiger I have are a joke when it comes to the speedometer.
@@GrumpyGoat exactly! Im experienced enough and accustomed to sense how fast I'm going, and kept thinking I don't FEEL like I'm doing 70mph when compared to my own 765. Maybe they'll bring a software update to address it, 1-2 mph is the acceptable norm.
Such a detailed review. I got the same dilemma between the GS and the Tiger also. I guess it makes more sense buying a already existing, reliable, more affordable bike like the Tiger makes more sense, but the new GS actually looks good for me and owning a GS actually is something I want to try out.
Nice comparison! I did a test ride on a new RP this past Thursday and was impressed. Had been using a 2020 AT ES for on and off road duty the past few years, but gave into the siren call of a Ducati V4 MS Rally this past September. The AT was a great bike, but the Duc in just amazing. With the road biased Pirelli Scorpion Trail II tires, I've avoided mud and anything more challenging than fire roads with the Ducati. Lately I have thought about buying a used DR or similar for off road and leave the Ducati for twisties and touring. Then the Tiger 900 RP started catching my attention. Have been considering buying a used 20-23 900 RP, but then I like the upgrades Triumph is bringing to the table for 24. Your timing for this comparison was perfect for me.
Thanks for the comment - that is the case with most motorcycles, and likely also possible with the revised engine as well. However, the sum total of the updates to the model is not limited to the +13 hp. The improved smoothness, linked brakes and the exhaust headers are other value-added performance related improvements that I find top of mind.
@@kee7678 It's not offered by Triumph but there is a video explaining how to do it. At full throttle by default it is set to only output 90%, so it's a matter of changing the numbers to 100% Video guide: ruclips.net/video/y66PZmKDK68/видео.html
The 2024 RP has different geometry in the cockpic...a bit higher and a bit futher back...like 30mm and 20mm (as most added that exact riser block to the 2020-23 models. It's an upgraded exhaust too, and seat as you pointed out, more HP and 10% better fuel economy, and of course far better TFT Display User interface, better stock tires too. I know the Upper and Lower crash bars for Outback Motortek, that worked on the 2020-2023 models, DO in fact work on the new 2024 model, but NOT the bash plate. My 900 RP has 3k miles on it, and I'd love to get this new 2024 model actually. Not sure it's doable but Id def like to.
Have to say I'm very impressed with the 2024 model. I believe it's the best version of this generation by far. I noticed the aux lights are mounted higher now too, which makes putting a high fender on there a lot easier. It appears to be quite a bit smoother even without the aftermarket tuning which is nice on the highway. Those extra vents on the front fairing appear to be just aesthetic in my opinion, we would still need to install vent deflectors for those hot days in the sun and keep our legs from burning off
@@ChrisSauer-oe5veI agree. All they had to do was modify the existing outlet to implement, from the factory, something like what the aftermarket offers, but make it look nicer.
@@ChrisSauer-oe5ve It's just the nature of how the radiators are. Maybe someone will make aftermarket fairings "for offroad use" so we don't have to drill into our factory ones with silly vents which only partially work.
Muffler is different to meat Euro 5+ instead of Euro 5. Also, according to Triumph muffler work was required anyway due to changes in the engine. I actually felt with my butt that previous tiger seat was more comfortable for me when I test road it in November. Interesting that everyone keeps saying this one is better. I can tell that this seat doesn't allow any vibrations to be felt, unlike previous one. I actually placed a deposit for this particular bike on Fri. It's funny how people see colors differently. This color (ash grey / intense orange) to me is very beautiful (I think only Ducati DesertX is better looking bike which was the only real competition to this Triumph for me. But at the end I sacrificed the fun, handling and agility of Ducati to get better comfort with Triumph, but have less fun. My bike is going to be is going to be used to travel Europe 3 months at a time (no motorway use), thus comfort ir very important).
I think that you made the same choice I would make. I also think that the Tiger is the best looking middleweight ADV bike, and certainly better than the Ducati. Proportions are sweeter to my eyes. I think that the bike to compare to the Tiger would be the new BMW F900GS, but the Tiger would have the edge on features and possible gearbox/quick shifter, not to mention the backlit switches, which have become quite significant for me.
Another good video thanks. Looking for a bike for two-up riding in hot climates (Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Cambodia, etc). Like the idea of the Rally Pro with better suspension for some of the less than perfect roads in this part of the world. A little concerned about all the heat coming onto the legs as I'll routinely be riding in temps between 85-105F. How bad would you anticipate the heat to be in this kind of climate?
Thanks for the comment. The Rally Pro handles poor roads with ease that’s for sure. The heat from the radiator blowback is pretty hot on the front of the thighs, and if riding in those temperatures the radiator fans will likely be on more often than not. Heat deflectors can be bought from Ali Express but they don’t help that much, but better than nothing I suppose. Best thing is to angle your legs outwards a bit to get the thighs out of the heat. Of riding steadily, like on a highway, the heat on your legs is not so bad as the wind rushing by helps dissipate the heat better.
@@GrumpyGoat Thanks for the feedback. My riding will be a combination of smaller roads, some highway and quite a bit of riding around congested cities such as Bangkok. I'm currently in Singapore trying to find a demo bike to ride before heading to Thailand, but so far no luck. At the moment, the heat is my only real concern on the Triumph. I have seen a couple of videos on the deflectors, but they seem a bit hit and miss. Hopefully I can find a bike to demo. I was also looking at the 2024 Africa Twin, but after contacting may dealers and Honda HQ in Thailand, nobody is able to tell me when, or even if, that will be released in Thailand. At least I know the Tiger is available so that's risen to the top of my list, pending a demo ride. Thanks again for all your info. It's been very valuable.
Good in-depth review, I have a 2021 Gtpro from new and it has 17000 miles on the clock, I absolutely love it, yes there are a few improvements to the 2024 model but not enough to warrant putting another £4500 / $5800 to it to change………plus the fact not a lover of the new tft when you moved the speed/rev counter to the left side to include trip the circle was squashed and went oval, yes there were some complaints about the 23 tft but I find it very informative and easy to navigate through the menu’s. The new colours and graphics are very nice, they’re a great bike and the 23 model has enough power for me 😀so I’ll keep mine till the replacement model raises its head, thanks again
Thanks for the comment. I hear you on the new screen ... I just saw another review which mentioned that in order to get the information that one prefers, one has to kind of keep it in "menu mode", which does as you described, and I noticed the circular speed / tach display becoming oval - which I agree is irritating and would keep me from using that menu-mode workaround. *BUT* at least I don't get to see the dumb *winged" tachometer that is on my bike.
@@brianErickson-bx9hp I do both. I actually don’t usually look at the tach at all, least of all to change. But I do look at the dash for other reasons and I *see* the tach. Same result … 😒
Nice test comparison 👍🏻Put screen saver on for glare 👍🏻. How tall are you please? Ref the screen. I’m looking at either a AT 1100 24 or a Tiger 900 rally pro 24. Tiger is much better equipped (has just about everything you’d want as standard), AT ES has superb suspension and real nice colours (tiger not so nice) but only has heated grips.
Thanks. Yes, Speedo Angels would be among the first mods - they work very well and include an anti-glare option. I am 5'-8" with a 31" inseam with normal torso length. I find the Tiger screens to be one of the best standard screens I have ever sampled, and have no plans to change it. The AT is a great bike and if you can live without the creature comforts then is a great option. The RP should be a better off-road machine while they should be similar for road touring. The AT may be more top-heavy and is heavier than the RP.
@@GrumpyGoat tbh, I do very little off-roading these days, I’m 59 and lots of old injuries, but I love the adv bikes for there riding position, elevated view, ability to stand on the pegs to cool down and I love the look of most of them too. I do like the idea of a heated seat along with grips and jacket ♨️. I will test ride them both and go from there.
Great review mate …iam currently on 2016 tiger XR looking to upgrade now… could you please talk a bit about the vibrations on the 2024b& 2023…also can you flatfoot the Rally Pro ?Thsnks in advance 🙌🙌😍❤️🙏
Thanks for the comment. I can almost flat foot the Rally Pro. With a 31” inseam, both heels almost touch the ground and I am totally comfortable with the reach. Going from a smooth triple like on the Tiger XR to a bike with a T-plane crank and 270 degree firing order will be a big difference. My previous bike was a 2019 Yamaha Tracer 900 GT with the CP3 engine that was turbine smooth, and at first I did not appreciate this engine’s feel. But I got used to it fairly quickly and now it’s nice. See my initial impressions on this first test ride of the Tiger 900 line: 2023 Triumph Tiger 900 Rally ... is this a bike that I might be interested in? | Test Ride ruclips.net/video/KOZ8bYCz6uo/видео.html
I tested also GS 1300. GS is way faster than the new Triumph 900. I would also say that GS 1300 handles much better and is more agile to lean, unlean, keep the line. However, as you said GS 1300 felt so heavy to just move it around in the car park, or try to do a u-turn. That's why I didn't choose it. GS also a king for comfort, the seat, the sitting position, the space for leg room. Every bike should just copy that.
Sounds like you tested it on the road, right? If so, I’m not surprised at all. The Tiger has a 21” front wheel vs the 19” on the GS, and there may be other differences that would contribute to better road handling. The Tiger may be better off road though, not that it handles poorly on the road; it doesn’t. But yes pushing the bike around by hand there would be no comparison, largely due to the weight. As for the speed, there is no comparison. I have an R1200RS as the other bike, and it’s 50% more torque almost makes the Tiger seem like a moped.
@@GrumpyGoat yes, I tested only on the road. For sure 19" makes big difference. I think only Ducati with 21" feels better than most bikes with 19" (DesertX for sure handles better than GT Pro or 1300 GS despite these having 19") I have planned some off-road on my trips, and indeed 21" wheel and the plush and nice suspension of Rally Pro is going to be very nice. Yeah, power is always relative, and there's never enough of it ;) But I generally ride very peacefully. Thank you for your time replying.
Thanks for the comment. I was thinking that may be the case but was not sure, what with the new fog lights and all. Hence the acceptance that the upper crash bars / relocated fog lights will stay with the 2023 ...
What vibrations? The engine feels the way it feels due to its firing order, and there are no unexpected vibrations. Compared to the 2023 model it is a little smoother, but the 2023 is smooth in its own way once you get used to it, which doesn’t take long.
@@StellaTwin I understand, but the word “vibrations” means different things to different people. Taken by itself, “vibrations” typically means unusual vibrations, for example due to some problem, at certain engine or vehicle speeds. Some people, not accustomed to this firing order but accustomed to a typical triple’s smoothness, may call everything this engine does “vibrations”. So I have no way of knowing what you mean. BUT, you may find what I have to say in the following video informative. It’s the first test ride I ever did on this kind of engine and I compared it to my old Tracer 900GT: 2023 Triumph Tiger 900 Rally ... is this a bike that I might be interested in? | Test Ride ruclips.net/video/KOZ8bYCz6uo/видео.html
Very nice video, l'm wondering if the compression bump (11:1 to 13:1) between two models is a big enough reason to sit this one out. l know Triumph has amazing 3 Cylinder engines l have a Tiger 800 2016 XCA myself, but you know what they say never get the first version of anything and l wonder if that point is valid for this case.
Thanks. The compression increase from 11.3 to 13.0 (per Triumph website) will likely cause the minimum recommended fuel to be greater than 87 AKI, but that’s about all I’d be able to guess regarding the engine. It’s not totally new, but some components were revised. That doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s a risk, and for me it’s not a concern is worry about. The bigger concern would have been for the jump to the current engine (2020-2023 models) from your engine - that was a totally new engine design change. Since there is no comparison between your engine and the engine in my 2023 or the new 2024 (due to the T-plane crank and 270 degree phase angle), it would be better to test the bike out from that standpoint, before making a decision whether you want to change.
Contemplating if i should buy Rally Pro vs GT Pro 2024. I think i will ride more on paved roads and 300-400km highways. would it be a terrible in terms of riding experience if i go with Rally Pro? liking the spoke wheels and the height.
When I was thinking of purchasing the Tiger 900 I was also of the same mindset. I am a commuter & long distance rider, with aspirations of going off-road occasionally to get to a remote location for motocamping or to get the best views. So I was also thinking that the GT Pro would be better than the Rally Pro. Like you I liked the spoked wheels but at 5'-8" I was mostly concerned about reaching the ground. See this initial test ride on a Tiger 900 Rally which helped seal the decision: ruclips.net/video/KOZ8bYCz6uo/видео.html To answer your question: The Rally Pro would be just as comfortable on the highway as the GT Pro, since the only difference is in the suspension. When cruising that makes no difference in the riding experience. If you like to ride the twisties a lot and will not be riding on highways for long distances then maybe the GT Pro is better. Also if you ride with full load or a pillion to a significant degree, then the GT Pro is better since it has automatic rear pre-load adjustment. I am very pleased with the Rally Pro as a long-distance highway bike even fully loaded, and with the long-travel suspension it handles bumpy stretches (e.g. construction zones) like riding on a magic carpet. I have other videos that would probably answer your question better than this comment.
21:21 your finger is pointing to a spot. Is there still that din port for charging like on the old model? I'm asking because I looked for it, and it wasn't there. I asked salesman and he said there's now only a single USB-C port (which is on the left of the screen)
No I was pointing at something else. That was a screen grab from the video, and I was pointing at the bracket where the bracket for the upper crash bars would go. I was not pointing at and socket since there is none there. Only socket is the USB-C to the left side of the dash.
Sales persons will say anything to make the sale and this one is no different. Just look at the design of the newly added "slot" in the fairing - it is placed *towards the end* of the outflow from the radiator. There is _nothing_ to cause the flow to suddenly divert through a hard 90 degree turn and exit through the slot. To my mind, any hot air bleeding through this slot will have done so by accident. That slot is there for aesthetics, nothing more. The hot air will still exit through the large unchanged pathway, as on the earlier 2023 and before model. Just have to accept the hot air and get the deflectors off Ali Express - they should help. Video to come after I install mine.
@@GrumpyGoat I appreciate your thoughts on this. I will look forward to a test ride in the warmer weather, and keep all expectations low regarding the heat issue.
@@dennisjones8906 If you do that then you won't be disappointed. I was not. I don't like the heat being dumped on my legs except in cooler weather. BUT as an engineer I appreciate efficient cooling for the motorcycle which this design undoubtedly has. So it is a compromise, as are many things in life. Enjoy your test ride. I did on mine.
Bit unfair to compare the GS1300 with the Tiger 900, don't you think? I understand how it may affect buying decisions but if upgrading to a higher cc class, one should also consider the Tiger 1200 Explorer. That bike will eat up miles for much less bucks than any other in its class. Cheaper both on retail price and mileage. Enough of this hype with the GS.
I think you missed the point. The video was a comparison between the 2023 and the 2024 Tiger 900s. Period. I mentioned, towards the end of the riding bit, that for me I would want to try the new R1300GS before I decided on what next to do because of my motorcycle needs - nothing to do with comparing the Tiger 900 to the GS, feature for feature. That would be absurd. *However* comparing them based on one’s _motorcycling needs_ is neither absurd nor unfair. I have no interest in Tiger 1200. If I’m going to go with a full weight ADV bike at that price point, it would be a BMW and it would be a GS. Reasons for that is another discussion and doesn’t belong in a mere video comments section. 😏 I invite you to subscribe and watch for the video on the R1300GS and the comments I make in it. You may be surprised. 🙂
Some people can handle the Buzz from the T-plan firing order. It’s not so much as a vibration as what people call it. Test ride one to find out. Many factors will come to play, road conditions & constant speeds, smooth roads will make you feel it more. Your welcome 😉
I do like the Intense Orange but the Black and Green colourways are not of interest to me, especially with a white frame - deal breaker. I had a similar problem with the 2023 except for Sandstorm which I like best of the 2023 & 2024 colours. Thanks for the comment.
Yes I did have a 2019 Yamaha Tracer 900GT up until July 2023, when I traded it in on the more off-road-capable Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro. Still love that Tracer but it’s not for off-road. Still have my Tracer videos on the Channel though.
@@GrumpyGoat hi grumpy thank you for the quick response. A wee question how many miles did you do on the tracer and how many of the 4k on the truth were actual off road. I’m not trying to give you a dig, I am only sincerely interested in the reality of how many off road capable bikes are actually used off road. I too have had an off road capable bike but because of my age and old injuries I couldn’t handle off road battering. Ant thoughts please?
I really like that bike my buddy has a 900 rally pro. Every one is missing one of the best change they made. The air filter is a lot more friendly to change.
Thanks for the comment. In my case I didn’t miss that the air filter was easy to change … I never had a Tiger before so no basis for comparison. 😊 I would bet that you will *never* see a review video mention something like that unless the person (a) has a previous year off the same model, (b) they actually worked on their bike themselves, and (c) they had difficulties accessing the air filter in the past. 🤔
Owning and reviewing are two different things, and sometimes the best reviews can come from owners, but then there is bias to consider.
Really appreciated your attention to detail regarding the changes, and your personal opinions (like the bar to adjust screen height). Thank you for this relaxed, enjoyable comparison video. Sometimes a bit of a ramble is good. Little nuances come out that are helpful. 👍
Exactly. Thanks for noting that. 🙂
Was nice watching the new screen
Intel you were disobeying the speed
@@davidrapp485Kinda hard to check out engine performance otherwise. Thanks for the comment.
This is an amazing comparison between bikes. So detailed! I've learned a lot about extra changes (for example, quick-shifter extra rubber part)
The 24's are really nice, but you can now get 21's and 22's for 9500-11500 and leftover 23's for 13500-14500.
Think will hold on to my 23 Rally. The 24 is sweet but not a big update so I can justify the money. I would jump to the 1200 Rally or a 1290 KTM. But the light and nimble feel of the 900 goes out the door.
@@atomicgrasshopper4391 After my first long-distance tour on the 23 Rally Pro I am coming to the same conclusion.
Regarding the speedo over reading, i thought the exact same thing when i test rode both the 24 rally pro and gt pro. They read about 5mph over at 40mph, and similar all the way up!
I checked my 23 STRS 765 with my phone and its very accurate in comparison, showing 1-2mph over at the most!
Exactly. Some bikes are within 1 mph and others are way off, and the forums are full of people who make all sorts of excuses for this nonsense, claiming they do it for legal reasons etc. Laws establish tolerance on accuracy (i.e. + some number / - 0) which is not a requirement to overestimate speed. My GMC struck is dead on at all speeds and the Tracer was acceptably close to dead on. The BMW and Tiger I have are a joke when it comes to the speedometer.
@@GrumpyGoat exactly! Im experienced enough and accustomed to sense how fast I'm going, and kept thinking I don't FEEL like I'm doing 70mph when compared to my own 765. Maybe they'll bring a software update to address it, 1-2 mph is the acceptable norm.
Such a detailed review. I got the same dilemma between the GS and the Tiger also. I guess it makes more sense buying a already existing, reliable, more affordable bike like the Tiger makes more sense, but the new GS actually looks good for me and owning a GS actually is something I want to try out.
Thank you for the detailed comparison!
Nice comparison! I did a test ride on a new RP this past Thursday and was impressed. Had been using a 2020 AT ES for on and off road duty the past few years, but gave into the siren call of a Ducati V4 MS Rally this past September. The AT was a great bike, but the Duc in just amazing. With the road biased Pirelli Scorpion Trail II tires, I've avoided mud and anything more challenging than fire roads with the Ducati. Lately I have thought about buying a used DR or similar for off road and leave the Ducati for twisties and touring. Then the Tiger 900 RP started catching my attention. Have been considering buying a used 20-23 900 RP, but then I like the upgrades Triumph is bringing to the table for 24. Your timing for this comparison was perfect for me.
FYI you can get most of the HP gains on the older models with mapping update. It's software limited to 95hp
Thanks for the comment - that is the case with most motorcycles, and likely also possible with the revised engine as well. However, the sum total of the updates to the model is not limited to the +13 hp. The improved smoothness, linked brakes and the exhaust headers are other value-added performance related improvements that I find top of mind.
Where is the update ?
@@kee7678 It's not offered by Triumph but there is a video explaining how to do it. At full throttle by default it is set to only output 90%, so it's a matter of changing the numbers to 100%
Video guide:
ruclips.net/video/y66PZmKDK68/видео.html
Awesome! Thank you sir!@@isaaclea5160
The 2024 RP has different geometry in the cockpic...a bit higher and a bit futher back...like 30mm and 20mm (as most added that exact riser block to the 2020-23 models. It's an upgraded exhaust too, and seat as you pointed out, more HP and 10% better fuel economy, and of course far better TFT Display User interface, better stock tires too. I know the Upper and Lower crash bars for Outback Motortek, that worked on the 2020-2023 models, DO in fact work on the new 2024 model, but NOT the bash plate. My 900 RP has 3k miles on it, and I'd love to get this new 2024 model actually. Not sure it's doable but Id def like to.
great comparison - thank you!
Have to say I'm very impressed with the 2024 model. I believe it's the best version of this generation by far. I noticed the aux lights are mounted higher now too, which makes putting a high fender on there a lot easier. It appears to be quite a bit smoother even without the aftermarket tuning which is nice on the highway. Those extra vents on the front fairing appear to be just aesthetic in my opinion, we would still need to install vent deflectors for those hot days in the sun and keep our legs from burning off
Totally agree
I can’t believe they didn’t listen to the riders about the heat problem 🤦♂️
@@ChrisSauer-oe5veI agree. All they had to do was modify the existing outlet to implement, from the factory, something like what the aftermarket offers, but make it look nicer.
@@ChrisSauer-oe5ve It's just the nature of how the radiators are. Maybe someone will make aftermarket fairings "for offroad use" so we don't have to drill into our factory ones with silly vents which only partially work.
Muffler is different to meat Euro 5+ instead of Euro 5. Also, according to Triumph muffler work was required anyway due to changes in the engine.
I actually felt with my butt that previous tiger seat was more comfortable for me when I test road it in November. Interesting that everyone keeps saying this one is better. I can tell that this seat doesn't allow any vibrations to be felt, unlike previous one.
I actually placed a deposit for this particular bike on Fri. It's funny how people see colors differently. This color (ash grey / intense orange) to me is very beautiful (I think only Ducati DesertX is better looking bike which was the only real competition to this Triumph for me. But at the end I sacrificed the fun, handling and agility of Ducati to get better comfort with Triumph, but have less fun. My bike is going to be is going to be used to travel Europe 3 months at a time (no motorway use), thus comfort ir very important).
I think that you made the same choice I would make. I also think that the Tiger is the best looking middleweight ADV bike, and certainly better than the Ducati. Proportions are sweeter to my eyes. I think that the bike to compare to the Tiger would be the new BMW F900GS, but the Tiger would have the edge on features and possible gearbox/quick shifter, not to mention the backlit switches, which have become quite significant for me.
@@GrumpyGoat for sure it's very pretty! Yeah, Triumph gearboxes/quick-shifters are on their own league. Nothing is even close.
Another good video thanks. Looking for a bike for two-up riding in hot climates (Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Cambodia, etc). Like the idea of the Rally Pro with better suspension for some of the less than perfect roads in this part of the world. A little concerned about all the heat coming onto the legs as I'll routinely be riding in temps between 85-105F. How bad would you anticipate the heat to be in this kind of climate?
Thanks for the comment. The Rally Pro handles poor roads with ease that’s for sure. The heat from the radiator blowback is pretty hot on the front of the thighs, and if riding in those temperatures the radiator fans will likely be on more often than not. Heat deflectors can be bought from Ali Express but they don’t help that much, but better than nothing I suppose. Best thing is to angle your legs outwards a bit to get the thighs out of the heat. Of riding steadily, like on a highway, the heat on your legs is not so bad as the wind rushing by helps dissipate the heat better.
@@GrumpyGoat Thanks for the feedback. My riding will be a combination of smaller roads, some highway and quite a bit of riding around congested cities such as Bangkok. I'm currently in Singapore trying to find a demo bike to ride before heading to Thailand, but so far no luck. At the moment, the heat is my only real concern on the Triumph. I have seen a couple of videos on the deflectors, but they seem a bit hit and miss. Hopefully I can find a bike to demo. I was also looking at the 2024 Africa Twin, but after contacting may dealers and Honda HQ in Thailand, nobody is able to tell me when, or even if, that will be released in Thailand. At least I know the Tiger is available so that's risen to the top of my list, pending a demo ride. Thanks again for all your info. It's been very valuable.
Good in-depth review, I have a 2021 Gtpro from new and it has 17000 miles on the clock, I absolutely love it, yes there are a few improvements to the 2024 model but not enough to warrant putting another £4500 / $5800 to it to change………plus the fact not a lover of the new tft when you moved the speed/rev counter to the left side to include trip the circle was squashed and went oval, yes there were some complaints about the 23 tft but I find it very informative and easy to navigate through the menu’s. The new colours and graphics are very nice, they’re a great bike and the 23 model has enough power for me 😀so I’ll keep mine till the replacement model raises its head, thanks again
Thanks for the comment. I hear you on the new screen ... I just saw another review which mentioned that in order to get the information that one prefers, one has to kind of keep it in "menu mode", which does as you described, and I noticed the circular speed / tach display becoming oval - which I agree is irritating and would keep me from using that menu-mode workaround. *BUT* at least I don't get to see the dumb *winged" tachometer that is on my bike.
@@GrumpyGoatdo you actually look at the tach when you are riding. I don’t. I go by what the engine sounds like.
@@brianErickson-bx9hp I do both. I actually don’t usually look at the tach at all, least of all to change. But I do look at the dash for other reasons and I *see* the tach. Same result … 😒
Nice test comparison 👍🏻Put screen saver on for glare 👍🏻. How tall are you please? Ref the screen. I’m looking at either a AT 1100 24 or a Tiger 900 rally pro 24. Tiger is much better equipped (has just about everything you’d want as standard), AT ES has superb suspension and real nice colours (tiger not so nice) but only has heated grips.
Thanks. Yes, Speedo Angels would be among the first mods - they work very well and include an anti-glare option. I am 5'-8" with a 31" inseam with normal torso length. I find the Tiger screens to be one of the best standard screens I have ever sampled, and have no plans to change it.
The AT is a great bike and if you can live without the creature comforts then is a great option. The RP should be a better off-road machine while they should be similar for road touring. The AT may be more top-heavy and is heavier than the RP.
@@GrumpyGoat tbh, I do very little off-roading these days, I’m 59 and lots of old injuries, but I love the adv bikes for there riding position, elevated view, ability to stand on the pegs to cool down and I love the look of most of them too. I do like the idea of a heated seat along with grips and jacket ♨️. I will test ride them both and go from there.
Great review mate …iam currently on 2016 tiger XR looking to upgrade now… could you please talk a bit about the vibrations on the 2024b& 2023…also can you flatfoot the Rally Pro ?Thsnks in advance 🙌🙌😍❤️🙏
Thanks for the comment. I can almost flat foot the Rally Pro. With a 31” inseam, both heels almost touch the ground and I am totally comfortable with the reach.
Going from a smooth triple like on the Tiger XR to a bike with a T-plane crank and 270 degree firing order will be a big difference. My previous bike was a 2019 Yamaha Tracer 900 GT with the CP3 engine that was turbine smooth, and at first I did not appreciate this engine’s feel. But I got used to it fairly quickly and now it’s nice. See my initial impressions on this first test ride of the Tiger 900 line:
2023 Triumph Tiger 900 Rally ... is this a bike that I might be interested in? | Test Ride
ruclips.net/video/KOZ8bYCz6uo/видео.html
I tested also GS 1300. GS is way faster than the new Triumph 900. I would also say that GS 1300 handles much better and is more agile to lean, unlean, keep the line. However, as you said GS 1300 felt so heavy to just move it around in the car park, or try to do a u-turn. That's why I didn't choose it.
GS also a king for comfort, the seat, the sitting position, the space for leg room. Every bike should just copy that.
Sounds like you tested it on the road, right? If so, I’m not surprised at all. The Tiger has a 21” front wheel vs the 19” on the GS, and there may be other differences that would contribute to better road handling. The Tiger may be better off road though, not that it handles poorly on the road; it doesn’t. But yes pushing the bike around by hand there would be no comparison, largely due to the weight. As for the speed, there is no comparison. I have an R1200RS as the other bike, and it’s 50% more torque almost makes the Tiger seem like a moped.
@@GrumpyGoat yes, I tested only on the road. For sure 19" makes big difference. I think only Ducati with 21" feels better than most bikes with 19" (DesertX for sure handles better than GT Pro or 1300 GS despite these having 19")
I have planned some off-road on my trips, and indeed 21" wheel and the plush and nice suspension of Rally Pro is going to be very nice.
Yeah, power is always relative, and there's never enough of it ;) But I generally ride very peacefully.
Thank you for your time replying.
The upper crash bars won't carry over as they don't relocate the fog lights
Thanks for the comment. I was thinking that may be the case but was not sure, what with the new fog lights and all. Hence the acceptance that the upper crash bars / relocated fog lights will stay with the 2023 ...
Hello. Did they fix the vibrations?
What vibrations? The engine feels the way it feels due to its firing order, and there are no unexpected vibrations. Compared to the 2023 model it is a little smoother, but the 2023 is smooth in its own way once you get used to it, which doesn’t take long.
@@GrumpyGoat I looked at a dozen reviews of the 2023 model tiger and everyone complained about a terrible vibration on the handles and pegs
@@StellaTwin I understand, but the word “vibrations” means different things to different people. Taken by itself, “vibrations” typically means unusual vibrations, for example due to some problem, at certain engine or vehicle speeds. Some people, not accustomed to this firing order but accustomed to a typical triple’s smoothness, may call everything this engine does “vibrations”. So I have no way of knowing what you mean.
BUT, you may find what I have to say in the following video informative. It’s the first test ride I ever did on this kind of engine and I compared it to my old Tracer 900GT:
2023 Triumph Tiger 900 Rally ... is this a bike that I might be interested in? | Test Ride
ruclips.net/video/KOZ8bYCz6uo/видео.html
Brilliant comparison, that no one else has done. Much appreciated!
Very nice video, l'm wondering if the compression bump (11:1 to 13:1) between two models is a big enough reason to sit this one out. l know Triumph has amazing 3 Cylinder engines l have a Tiger 800 2016 XCA myself, but you know what they say never get the first version of anything and l wonder if that point is valid for this case.
Thanks. The compression increase from 11.3 to 13.0 (per Triumph website) will likely cause the minimum recommended fuel to be greater than 87 AKI, but that’s about all I’d be able to guess regarding the engine. It’s not totally new, but some components were revised. That doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s a risk, and for me it’s not a concern is worry about. The bigger concern would have been for the jump to the current engine (2020-2023 models) from your engine - that was a totally new engine design change.
Since there is no comparison between your engine and the engine in my 2023 or the new 2024 (due to the T-plane crank and 270 degree phase angle), it would be better to test the bike out from that standpoint, before making a decision whether you want to change.
Contemplating if i should buy Rally Pro vs GT Pro 2024. I think i will ride more on paved roads and 300-400km highways. would it be a terrible in terms of riding experience if i go with Rally Pro? liking the spoke wheels and the height.
When I was thinking of purchasing the Tiger 900 I was also of the same mindset. I am a commuter & long distance rider, with aspirations of going off-road occasionally to get to a remote location for motocamping or to get the best views. So I was also thinking that the GT Pro would be better than the Rally Pro. Like you I liked the spoked wheels but at 5'-8" I was mostly concerned about reaching the ground. See this initial test ride on a Tiger 900 Rally which helped seal the decision: ruclips.net/video/KOZ8bYCz6uo/видео.html
To answer your question: The Rally Pro would be just as comfortable on the highway as the GT Pro, since the only difference is in the suspension. When cruising that makes no difference in the riding experience. If you like to ride the twisties a lot and will not be riding on highways for long distances then maybe the GT Pro is better. Also if you ride with full load or a pillion to a significant degree, then the GT Pro is better since it has automatic rear pre-load adjustment. I am very pleased with the Rally Pro as a long-distance highway bike even fully loaded, and with the long-travel suspension it handles bumpy stretches (e.g. construction zones) like riding on a magic carpet. I have other videos that would probably answer your question better than this comment.
Thanks.
21:21 your finger is pointing to a spot. Is there still that din port for charging like on the old model? I'm asking because I looked for it, and it wasn't there. I asked salesman and he said there's now only a single USB-C port (which is on the left of the screen)
No I was pointing at something else. That was a screen grab from the video, and I was pointing at the bracket where the bracket for the upper crash bars would go. I was not pointing at and socket since there is none there. Only socket is the USB-C to the left side of the dash.
@@GrumpyGoat thank you for confirming this.
So the new Tiger 900 still dumps heat on your legs? My sales guy said that had been remedied.
Sales persons will say anything to make the sale and this one is no different. Just look at the design of the newly added "slot" in the fairing - it is placed *towards the end* of the outflow from the radiator. There is _nothing_ to cause the flow to suddenly divert through a hard 90 degree turn and exit through the slot. To my mind, any hot air bleeding through this slot will have done so by accident. That slot is there for aesthetics, nothing more. The hot air will still exit through the large unchanged pathway, as on the earlier 2023 and before model. Just have to accept the hot air and get the deflectors off Ali Express - they should help. Video to come after I install mine.
@@GrumpyGoat I appreciate your thoughts on this. I will look forward to a test ride in the warmer weather, and keep all expectations low regarding the heat issue.
@@dennisjones8906 If you do that then you won't be disappointed. I was not. I don't like the heat being dumped on my legs except in cooler weather. BUT as an engineer I appreciate efficient cooling for the motorcycle which this design undoubtedly has. So it is a compromise, as are many things in life. Enjoy your test ride. I did on mine.
Is there a difference in price with the model it replaces
No that I can tell. The MSRP seems to be the same as when I bought my 2023 model.
Bit unfair to compare the GS1300 with the Tiger 900, don't you think? I understand how it may affect buying decisions but if upgrading to a higher cc class, one should also consider the Tiger 1200 Explorer. That bike will eat up miles for much less bucks than any other in its class. Cheaper both on retail price and mileage. Enough of this hype with the GS.
I think you missed the point. The video was a comparison between the 2023 and the 2024 Tiger 900s. Period.
I mentioned, towards the end of the riding bit, that for me I would want to try the new R1300GS before I decided on what next to do because of my motorcycle needs - nothing to do with comparing the Tiger 900 to the GS, feature for feature. That would be absurd. *However* comparing them based on one’s _motorcycling needs_ is neither absurd nor unfair.
I have no interest in Tiger 1200. If I’m going to go with a full weight ADV bike at that price point, it would be a BMW and it would be a GS. Reasons for that is another discussion and doesn’t belong in a mere video comments section. 😏
I invite you to subscribe and watch for the video on the R1300GS and the comments I make in it. You may be surprised. 🙂
Some people can handle the Buzz from the T-plan firing order.
It’s not so much as a vibration as what people call it.
Test ride one to find out.
Many factors will come to play, road conditions & constant speeds, smooth roads will make you feel it more.
Your welcome 😉
Any heating issues ?
All in the video. 🙂
I hate the new colors. Just bought a 23 last week for that reason,,,wanted the white
I do like the Intense Orange but the Black and Green colourways are not of interest to me, especially with a white frame - deal breaker. I had a similar problem with the 2023 except for Sandstorm which I like best of the 2023 & 2024 colours. Thanks for the comment.
Hi grumpy I thought you rode a Yamaha tracer gt? When did you get the trump and do you still have the tracer please? Thks
Yes I did have a 2019 Yamaha Tracer 900GT up until July 2023, when I traded it in on the more off-road-capable Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro. Still love that Tracer but it’s not for off-road. Still have my Tracer videos on the Channel though.
@@GrumpyGoat hi grumpy thank you for the quick response. A wee question how many miles did you do on the tracer and how many of the 4k on the truth were actual off road. I’m not trying to give you a dig, I am only sincerely interested in the reality of how many off road capable bikes are actually used off road. I too have had an off road capable bike but because of my age and old injuries I couldn’t handle off road battering. Ant thoughts please?
Trump typo error
I thought so ... 😏
I am doing exact same trade 900GT to new 2024