Thats nor why the write him off lol. He is great, but lets not lie a lot of people think the Shannahan scheme is easy to play in. I think hes great, but it has nothing to do with when he was picked.
@@rthraitor if trey lance was doing the same things, nobody would talk about shanahan scheme doing all the work. and besides if you watch him play his best plays are off schedule
Purdy is not elite Jesus Christ. He’s on arguably one of the most elite teams of all time with the most stacked talent…. Anyone could play qb there and succeed.
we right him off bc of the scheme hes in. yes he had good pocket presence and pretty good arm talent but take him out of san fran and i dont think he’ll be “elite” as most people say
I agree. I was interested to see him this year when the playbook opened up. Lafleur is a badass playcaller at making things easier for him. But lafleur has proven he regresses to a conservative style or “playing not to lose”. I think it is due to lack of trust. Love needs to take more control of the offense and call the right protections. Too often the defense will run a stunt or bring an extra rusher and love does not account for it. Best example the niner postseason game. Lafleur played not to lose in a situation where you have to trade blows. On third down , to me, it was an obvious fake pressure up the middle then drop to coverage and crash the sides. Love needs to see that and have an easy out or call protections. See it a lot this year also
@@abaofifsz yea people tend to have a hot streak when they come into their own and don't have much tape on them + being on an underdog team. Once people find the chinks in your armor becomes a lot harder. I think he'll become a good QB but the absolute glazing over the past year has been more over the top than anything I've ever seen.
No doubt that Jordan love is great. Showed a lot of promise in the back half of last year, but how can he have an A in consistency when he has less than 10 games of elite play?
He needs to take more control and do better things pre snap. Lafleur can only help so much. Has to change protections more and takenover when lafelur starts messing up
Cool list and breakdown. I'm glad somebody with a channel is calling out the "Purdy is just a system QB like Jimmy" nonsense. He's comfortably the best QB the niners have had since Steve Young and a top ten Qb in the league. That said, he's got Allen 6 spots too low and Lamar about 3 spots too high in my opinion.
@@Fatpigkenny I'm a Niner fan so yea. I trust Purdy to make the smart play. Allen is athleticly the better player of course but you can't ignore the surrounding cast. Purdy has already done more than Allen has in half the time. It's a team sport it's impossible to rate QBs based on athleticsm and what ifs. If that's what you are basing your rankings on then yes Allen should be top 3
One thing that's wild to me is how bc of how he's transformed his game and become an elite pocket passer (unlike Allen who has stayed wild) people have forgotten that Mahomes has one of the best arms in NFL history and easily rivals Allen in arm talent. Mahomes is A+ arm talent, without a single doubt.
I don’t think people say Herbert is a bad QB. Just overrated since “it’s always somebody else’s fault”. Crazy to put someone at #3 and their entire playoff experience in 4 years is a meh performance in a loss to Trevor Lawrence
What he said in the video. “If you can’t separate Herbert from the LA Chargers dysfunction he exists in, then you might not understand the hype.” Herbert is, frankly, the best QB in the NFL. The Charger roster is still a mess, but I hope they’ve plugged enough holes he’ll get a chance to show what he’s capable of.
@@randallturner9094 I understand there’s a lot of nuance. But also, 1 time pro-bowler, zero playoff success, and also was just voted most overrated QB in the league by his peers LOL. Can’t at all make the argument he’s the best
@@Rickle_Pick23 You’re referring to the poll that rated Josh Allen as #1 overrated, followed by Tua, then Hurts, and then Herbert at #4? I sure hope the Chargers are using that as bulletin board material, but that doesn’t detract from the fact that they’re 1d10ts and you’re lying. Winning isn’t a QB stat, sparky. It’s a team sport. The downside for you (under the safe assumption you’re not a Charger fan) is that Herbert won’t always have a crap defense, decimated receiver corps, and porous OLine. He MIGHT even eventually get a running game. And a good coach. We’ll see, but meanwhile I’m not wasting my time on input from people who can’t even spell “isolate variables” let alone understand the concept.
@@randallturner9094 go ahead, explain how he’s the best QB in the league. Dude routinely shits down his leg on 2 min drills, and if it’s a meaningful game vs a division rival? Forget it. We know he can read defenses and fit it through a tight window. Guess what? There’s more to it. And there you go punching the air because some dude in a RUclips comments disagrees about something trivial. Low IQ ape move
I love Jordan Love, especially being a younger packers fan. He is for sure our future and in fact i was one of his believers earlier last season. but he is not better then josh allen.
My only major criticism for Herbert is his 2 minute drills. His numbers are not good for a guy who gets called an Elite talent. Jared Goff is considered solid but not elite but his 2 minute drill numbers are substantially different than Herbert. Watched him in a game this past season where Herbert got the ball inside of the last 2 minutes of either half 3 times and came away with 0 points and only one 1st down. That to me suggests he's reliant on his natural talent but lacks preparation and is largely why someone who is considered elite misses the playoffs so much. To put it in contrast Aaron Rodgers had a terrible defense, a nonexistent run game, and at least 1 legitimate playmaker at receiver and practically owned his division and had very few game winning drives for his career despite all of that. So what is the difference between Herbert and Rodgers outside of a dynasty being in their division? I just want to see him get his team in position to score at the very least when running a 2-minute drill, otherwise Jared Goff is going to have more success in his career despite being nowhere near as talented.
Herbert lacks preparation. PFF calls him “the computer”. You’re clueless. He lacks healthy receivers and a healthy offensive line. He makes up for it though, by having one of the worst defenses in the league. You ARE that guy the video’s referring to.
I don’t believe he does relative to other QBs? Most QBs aren’t good throwing outside the numbers. Lamar also hasn’t had a receiver who wins outside the numbers ever besides maybe Bateman for a short spell.
@@anti-classisthe only throws like 3 more interceptions than Mahomes and Burrow every year so Mahomes should by that logic they should all be out of the top 5
@sprawlz6466 I didn't say interceptions I said turnovers... you know fumbles count too right? Dude has 23 more fumbles than mahomes and he has been sacked 27 more times... Also unfortunately while. I don't hold Allen personally responsible for play off wins he doesn't have a trip to the superbowl like the other guys. And well he carries his team more than the others but doesn't get that credit often.. I'm not even saying I put him at 8th... but those numbers massively influence your effectiveness...
@@JobReeves Someone spliced Fields' college highlights with Caleb's. Only seen together would this become obvious: Fields is better at everything. He's a better scrambler, stronger rusher, & FAR more accurate passer ruclips.net/video/5JO1PsupF_U/видео.html. How did he get to where he is now? Mostly through play-calling, a little through ruclips.net/video/glpaya0xz-4/видео.html that utterly atrocious receiving corps. I look at it this way: he called out his Own Coaches publicly for confusing him, & in reaction they 1) Said Nothing revealing they either were So Inept they weren't concerned about it, or were Intentionally Confusing him & 2) in fear changed the plays they called for the next 4 weeks. Considering they returned to using the previous plays after the noise about the play-calls died down, it was intentional. But during those 4 weeks Fields scored 31 points a game on average. Now Caleb has D.J. Moore (Fields didn't have him in '22), Allen & Odunze, plus a team _not_ calling plays with the intention to sabotage him (as in the 1st 23 minutes of ruclips.net/video/FiiK21VzI_o/видео.html). He has a better o-line, play-calling, receivers. Every game he doesn't score 31 points means Fields is still better.
@@patron40silverhe’s also a touchdown machine and stroud and Allen had similar turnover-worthy play rates, Allen just had most of his picked off and Stroud got lucky
So did the Rush Push carry him when he threw for 300+yds in the Super Bowl? What about when they beat the Bills last season it was because of a 15yd Draw play not the Tush Push and if anything he carries the Rush push because if you watched the preseason none of the backups can do it but Jalen can. He's way better than Prescott who's been in the league 9 years and can't even get to a Conference Championship Game. He's better than Purdy too. Hurts is definitely elite without him the Eagles ain't shit.
@@JohnOMalley-c6s hurts is inaccurate and not the best when it comes to decision making..sure he can make some big plays but his scheme and talent carried him more. He can't dink and dunk he's good for bombs and his physical talent..good enough for one good Superbowl run I doubt you'll ever see that level of success on the team again. He just isn't elite..
His scheme did not carry him last year you fucking idiot Brian Johnson never has been an OC in his life and was calling plays. On top of that they were using Siriannis system last year which his scheme is terrible btw. He played better in Shane Steichens system with Rpos and Motions. He's never had an OC for more than 2 years his whole career. On top of that he was hurt and had the 31st ranked defense last year and STILL won that team 11 games. The talent doesn't carry Hurts either because when Hurts was injured in 2022 and Minshew came in HE LOST BOTH FUCKING GAMES ONE BEING TO THE TRASH ASS SAINTS. If Jalen played they wouldn't have lost that game. You can say all you want that the talent carries him but honestly Jalen makes the Eagles offense better. Not only that he's clutch did you not see the way he beat the Bills last year? Your comment shows me you don't watch football and just use recycled ESPN takes.
@@JohnOMalley-c6s his hall of fame o-line, 2 elite WRs, and shane steichen brought him to the superbowl. he had all the help a qb could ever hope for and still couldn't get it done. just like the tush push, hurts' mid ass gets carried by more talented guys
The Herbert and Brock Purdy respect 🔥. People just look at box scores or rosters and think they know the whole story.
Most underrated football channel on RUclips.
Most overrated football channel on you tube. Pun intended.
Thank you for actually talking sense on Herbert
i respect this list a lot
Finally Herbert gets some damn respect
Man, that was the best break down I’ve ever seen! Loved this video!
love the brock purdy love!!! it makes me so mad how many people just write him off bc he was the last pick. the guy is ELITE
Probably the most underrated NFL QB ever as a Texans fan.
Thats nor why the write him off lol. He is great, but lets not lie a lot of people think the Shannahan scheme is easy to play in. I think hes great, but it has nothing to do with when he was picked.
@@rthraitor if trey lance was doing the same things, nobody would talk about shanahan scheme doing all the work. and besides if you watch him play his best plays are off schedule
Purdy is not elite Jesus Christ. He’s on arguably one of the most elite teams of all time with the most stacked talent…. Anyone could play qb there and succeed.
we right him off bc of the scheme hes in. yes he had good pocket presence and pretty good arm talent but take him out of san fran and i dont think he’ll be “elite” as most people say
Great analysis!
Nice breakdowns
I hate when dudes put rookies and one year dudes over dudes who have been proved them selfs like damn let them get 2 yrs at least dudes be glazing
So you think cj stroud and jordan love and caleb williams are all horrible?
@@deepfry89 never said that has caleb played a game yet
@@deepfry89he didn't even mention Caleb. You did, and you proved his point.
Love the most glazed QB of all time, people act like he didn’t shit the bed in the playoffs and have HALF a good season 😭
Cap
@@dwaynekeenum1916 passer rating of 72 and QBR of 42 against 49ers 😂😂😂😭😭😭 bro was not properly potty trained and obliterated his bed sheets
I agree. I was interested to see him this year when the playbook opened up. Lafleur is a badass playcaller at making things easier for him. But lafleur has proven he regresses to a conservative style or “playing not to lose”. I think it is due to lack of trust. Love needs to take more control of the offense and call the right protections. Too often the defense will run a stunt or bring an extra rusher and love does not account for it. Best example the niner postseason game. Lafleur played not to lose in a situation where you have to trade blows. On third down , to me, it was an obvious fake pressure up the middle then drop to coverage and crash the sides. Love needs to see that and have an easy out or call protections. See it a lot this year also
@@abaofifsz yea people tend to have a hot streak when they come into their own and don't have much tape on them + being on an underdog team. Once people find the chinks in your armor becomes a lot harder. I think he'll become a good QB but the absolute glazing over the past year has been more over the top than anything I've ever seen.
Ofc Goff gets disrespected time and time again, will keep proving people wrong? When will people learn, Goff is in his prime ? He’s so much better now
It's a pretty good list the only changes I would make is I would move Stroud and purdy down and Josh Allen up
Where tf is Hurts? When I didn’t see his name I didn’t even bother watching this sorry video
No doubt that Jordan love is great. Showed a lot of promise in the back half of last year, but how can he have an A in consistency when he has less than 10 games of elite play?
He needs to take more control and do better things pre snap. Lafleur can only help so much. Has to change protections more and takenover when lafelur starts messing up
Cool list and breakdown. I'm glad somebody with a channel is calling out the "Purdy is just a system QB like Jimmy" nonsense. He's comfortably the best QB the niners have had since Steve Young and a top ten Qb in the league. That said, he's got Allen 6 spots too low and Lamar about 3 spots too high in my opinion.
you still feel Lamar is 3 spots too high, lol...
Cian, what do you think of Zay Flowers? Do you think he can be to Lamar Jackson what Tank Dell is to CJ?
Definitely not
@@ozzygranado1921your cleary didn’t watch the ravens😂😂
@@troystation2526you clearly watch all 32 teams ?
@@troystation2526the result of the play is a touchback
@@kooligan500 nope just ravens and Texans
Great vid, but Allen at 8 is criminal….
He doesn't have the weapons this year he did in years past
@@BobectorGamesBobector it doesn’t matter. You have to isolate the QB from his supporting cast. Would you take Purdy etc above him for your team?
@@Fatpigkenny I'm a Niner fan so yea. I trust Purdy to make the smart play. Allen is athleticly the better player of course but you can't ignore the surrounding cast. Purdy has already done more than Allen has in half the time. It's a team sport it's impossible to rate QBs based on athleticsm and what ifs. If that's what you are basing your rankings on then yes Allen should be top 3
As far as I’m concerned he should be put at 10 or 9
@@MrSayonara28 you should be concerned
I like this.
Another incredible video where you explain things so perfectly. The first week's games highlighted a lot of what you talked about.
One thing that's wild to me is how bc of how he's transformed his game and become an elite pocket passer (unlike Allen who has stayed wild) people have forgotten that Mahomes has one of the best arms in NFL history and easily rivals Allen in arm talent.
Mahomes is A+ arm talent, without a single doubt.
who forgot? he threw bombs to reek for years.
Hell Stafford still a A+ arm talant. A bere minimum is A.
this man put Purdy over Joe burrow bro and said hes better in the pocket lmfaoo
I mean they accomplished the same shit so far championship game Super Bowl appearance 😂 not that different
Difference is Purdy is coming off a SB appearence and Burrow is coming off an injury. We need to see Burrow play before putting him back up there
He said Burrow’s problem is staying healthy. He’s not wrong.
Why do you have Josh Allen at 8?
Just based on team effectiveness Jared goff should be on this list
no way lmfao
@@rthraitorlook at the numbers
@@rthraitorhow not?
Three words run heavy team
@@JobReeves he was Top 3 in Pass attempts so how is that a Run Heavy team....49ers, Ravens, are more Run Heavy than the Lions
Purdy over Mahomes in terms of athleticism is crazy
Injuries
I don’t think people say Herbert is a bad QB. Just overrated since “it’s always somebody else’s fault”. Crazy to put someone at #3 and their entire playoff experience in 4 years is a meh performance in a loss to Trevor Lawrence
What he said in the video. “If you can’t separate Herbert from the LA Chargers dysfunction he exists in, then you might not understand the hype.” Herbert is, frankly, the best QB in the NFL. The Charger roster is still a mess, but I hope they’ve plugged enough holes he’ll get a chance to show what he’s capable of.
@@randallturner9094 I understand there’s a lot of nuance. But also, 1 time pro-bowler, zero playoff success, and also was just voted most overrated QB in the league by his peers LOL. Can’t at all make the argument he’s the best
@@Rickle_Pick23 You’re referring to the poll that rated Josh Allen as #1 overrated, followed by Tua, then Hurts, and then Herbert at #4? I sure hope the Chargers are using that as bulletin board material, but that doesn’t detract from the fact that they’re 1d10ts and you’re lying. Winning isn’t a QB stat, sparky. It’s a team sport. The downside for you (under the safe assumption you’re not a Charger fan) is that Herbert won’t always have a crap defense, decimated receiver corps, and porous OLine. He MIGHT even eventually get a running game. And a good coach. We’ll see, but meanwhile I’m not wasting my time on input from people who can’t even spell “isolate variables” let alone understand the concept.
@@randallturner9094 go ahead, explain how he’s the best QB in the league. Dude routinely shits down his leg on 2 min drills, and if it’s a meaningful game vs a division rival? Forget it. We know he can read defenses and fit it through a tight window. Guess what? There’s more to it.
And there you go punching the air because some dude in a RUclips comments disagrees about something trivial. Low IQ ape move
I love Jordan Love, especially being a younger packers fan. He is for sure our future and in fact i was one of his believers earlier last season. but he is not better then josh allen.
Is this ranking them based off of skill or team success. Either way idk how josh lands at 8
QB play not just athleticism Allen is still inaccurate a bunch of
Need more subs mate
My only major criticism for Herbert is his 2 minute drills. His numbers are not good for a guy who gets called an Elite talent. Jared Goff is considered solid but not elite but his 2 minute drill numbers are substantially different than Herbert. Watched him in a game this past season where Herbert got the ball inside of the last 2 minutes of either half 3 times and came away with 0 points and only one 1st down. That to me suggests he's reliant on his natural talent but lacks preparation and is largely why someone who is considered elite misses the playoffs so much. To put it in contrast Aaron Rodgers had a terrible defense, a nonexistent run game, and at least 1 legitimate playmaker at receiver and practically owned his division and had very few game winning drives for his career despite all of that. So what is the difference between Herbert and Rodgers outside of a dynasty being in their division? I just want to see him get his team in position to score at the very least when running a 2-minute drill, otherwise Jared Goff is going to have more success in his career despite being nowhere near as talented.
Herbert lacks preparation. PFF calls him “the computer”. You’re clueless. He lacks healthy receivers and a healthy offensive line. He makes up for it though, by having one of the worst defenses in the league. You ARE that guy the video’s referring to.
CJ STROUD 🤘
Have you found anything quantifiable that indicates why Lamar struggles throwing outside the numbers consistently?
I don’t believe he does relative to other QBs? Most QBs aren’t good throwing outside the numbers. Lamar also hasn’t had a receiver who wins outside the numbers ever besides maybe Bateman for a short spell.
lamar was great throwing outside the numbers outside of last year, stay off espn...
Why tf is Josh Allen 8!!!
Turnovers
@@anti-classisthe only throws like 3 more interceptions than Mahomes and Burrow every year so Mahomes should by that logic they should all be out of the top 5
@sprawlz6466 I didn't say interceptions I said turnovers... you know fumbles count too right? Dude has 23 more fumbles than mahomes and he has been sacked 27 more times...
Also unfortunately while. I don't hold Allen personally responsible for play off wins he doesn't have a trip to the superbowl like the other guys. And well he carries his team more than the others but doesn't get that credit often..
I'm not even saying I put him at 8th... but those numbers massively influence your effectiveness...
No way Dak better and sure isnt smarter than Stafford.
Caleb is gonna shock y’all
Caleb is going to go through the tua effect
@@JobReeves Someone spliced Fields' college highlights with Caleb's. Only seen together would this become obvious: Fields is better at everything. He's a better scrambler, stronger rusher, & FAR more accurate passer ruclips.net/video/5JO1PsupF_U/видео.html. How did he get to where he is now?
Mostly through play-calling, a little through ruclips.net/video/glpaya0xz-4/видео.html that utterly atrocious receiving corps. I look at it this way: he called out his Own Coaches publicly for confusing him, & in reaction they 1) Said Nothing revealing they either were So Inept they weren't concerned about it, or were Intentionally Confusing him & 2) in fear changed the plays they called for the next 4 weeks.
Considering they returned to using the previous plays after the noise about the play-calls died down, it was intentional.
But during those 4 weeks Fields scored 31 points a game on average. Now Caleb has D.J. Moore (Fields didn't have him in '22), Allen & Odunze, plus a team _not_ calling plays with the intention to sabotage him (as in the 1st 23 minutes of ruclips.net/video/FiiK21VzI_o/видео.html). He has a better o-line, play-calling, receivers.
Every game he doesn't score 31 points means Fields is still better.
cj my fav qb but top 4 already I feel you but come on now
Jalen?
Jalen Hurts?
No Trevor Lawrence love at all
holy fuck this list is ass justin herbert 3????😭😭😭
Too low.
Let me get this straight. CJ is higher than Allen? Come on man.
I mean CJ has a much better roster and a really good OC.
@@patron40silver Great point. Aaron Rodgers had less ints than Brady, Brady is still better.
@@marksuave25 Using super bowl wins isn't the debate winner you think it is in this case.
@@patron40silverhe’s also a touchdown machine and stroud and Allen had similar turnover-worthy play rates, Allen just had most of his picked off and Stroud got lucky
@@Kimani7 One of the dudes was a rookie. The other has already interrupted his (incredible, greatest ever) ascendant tragetory
This list sucks where's Jalen Hurts
Jalen hurts ain't top 10 hate to tell ya bud 😂. Tush push carries him.
So did the Rush Push carry him when he threw for 300+yds in the Super Bowl? What about when they beat the Bills last season it was because of a 15yd Draw play not the Tush Push and if anything he carries the Rush push because if you watched the preseason none of the backups can do it but Jalen can. He's way better than Prescott who's been in the league 9 years and can't even get to a Conference Championship Game. He's better than Purdy too. Hurts is definitely elite without him the Eagles ain't shit.
@@JohnOMalley-c6s hurts is inaccurate and not the best when it comes to decision making..sure he can make some big plays but his scheme and talent carried him more. He can't dink and dunk he's good for bombs and his physical talent..good enough for one good Superbowl run I doubt you'll ever see that level of success on the team again. He just isn't elite..
His scheme did not carry him last year you fucking idiot Brian Johnson never has been an OC in his life and was calling plays. On top of that they were using Siriannis system last year which his scheme is terrible btw. He played better in Shane Steichens system with Rpos and Motions. He's never had an OC for more than 2 years his whole career. On top of that he was hurt and had the 31st ranked defense last year and STILL won that team 11 games. The talent doesn't carry Hurts either because when Hurts was injured in 2022 and Minshew came in HE LOST BOTH FUCKING GAMES ONE BEING TO THE TRASH ASS SAINTS. If Jalen played they wouldn't have lost that game. You can say all you want that the talent carries him but honestly Jalen makes the Eagles offense better. Not only that he's clutch did you not see the way he beat the Bills last year? Your comment shows me you don't watch football and just use recycled ESPN takes.
Jordan love wins mvp.
Sorry but the J in CJ doesn't stand for Jordan :)
NVP maybe
W for not having hurts on here. hurts gotta be the most overrated nfl player of the last decade
How is Hurts overrated he literally took his team to a Super Bowl
@@JohnOMalley-c6s his hall of fame o-line, 2 elite WRs, and shane steichen brought him to the superbowl. he had all the help a qb could ever hope for and still couldn't get it done.
just like the tush push, hurts' mid ass gets carried by more talented guys
This guy does one of the best jobs I’ve seen of isolating QB play instead of evaluating the team as a whole.
Justin Herbert has become criminally overrated #3!?!? No buddy he’s NOT top 5
He’s rating QBs, not their team.