A Tube Amp To Replace Your Modeler? ENGL Ironball SE Demo METAL
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2021
- Let's take a look at the ENGL Ironball Special Edition - can a tube amp do all the things I usually need a modeler for?
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ENGL ROCKS PERIOD. Very good demo and your tone was amazing.
Holy balls. That guitar playing was refreshingly unique and kicked ass.
I love this damn amp. It's an absolute monster.
LOVE THIS AMP! I ditched all of my effects pedals off my board because this does everything I need. The effects are very usable. I had the grandmeister 40 when it came out and it got buried in the live mix. This thing sticks out perfectly in a mix. It hits hard. Super versatile too. Goes from super happy to ultra PISSED with whatever effects with the tap of 1 button. No more tap dancing on my pedalboard live!
After 1 one year you commented, do you still use the Ironball SE? reliability wise, did it hold up?
Sounds great! It’s like having a two notes cab m+ built in. I wish I saw this a month ago.
Great review, Trey!
Always great Videos! Love it!
I just got one yesterday and, in fact, it is amazing!
That fade to black solo made we weep homie. Well played ❤️
Man, brutal. Great features too, a seriously enticing lunchbox option.
I admire how your playing got better with time...respect bro
Well DAMN! That sounded freaking killer.
I used one of the originals without pedals for a little black/death tour, and people really liked the tone. I think we ended up leaving it on stage, cause the other bands wanted to use it, too.
O_O
I love the gain structure of this amp - very close to my ENGL E530 pre-amp.
*ENGL never fails to mesmerize.*
Good review, I own one myself and they are indeed an awesome amp!
Nice Engl amps sound massive always
That thing sounds SICK!
Love it!!...currently on back order ..but have mine reserved!
Its pretty awesome. I have a pod go but I'm always just messing with buttons instead of just playing guitar
Im the exact opposite. I have my 4 settings in a bank and all I do is play on those haha
I see those Focals back there looking pretty 😍
Nissssssssssssssssssce 🍻
That amp is at the top of my wishlist!
That guitar brother, looks and sounds sick!!!! I love it…. Can you do a video reviewing the guitar too…, sold out at Sweetwater 😢
this amp is sick and for that price it better be, sick demo
First off....Dream Ibanez right there.... second off you don't have nearly as many subs as you deserve. Great stuff dude, keep it up!
Played already 3 death metal gigs with it. Fantastic sound and convenient as fug. People liked the sound very much. Only downside is the build-in gate. I used an isp decimator g string. This thing compliments the Ironball fantastically good and last time plus an orange pedal baby via send, since there were 2 4x12. Ironball is flexible by any means.
And yes...it replaced my Helix
SICK!!! Nuff said
I'm very biased, but that prestige RG is SICK. Almost forgot this is an Amp demo.
sounds awesome
Could you send a non-frequency-corrected signal to an external caploader like a two notes torpedo etc? or do you have to upload new IRs into the Engl?
Tube amps for life! 🤘😛
Sir, can you please make a comparison video of Dimarzio PAF Master and Seymour Duncan Saturday Night Special? No one compared these two Alnico IV pickups, can you please do it for us?
Hi, Trey!
I see that you ghave reviewed this ENGL Ironball SE and the REVV G20. I am looking for an amp with those kind of specs, but soundwise, which one would you choose most?
Good lord. That's wild. Bow to the egg lord. You end up making me want amps dude it's a problem 😂😂
Pretty friggin' sweet! \m/
I know that Engl is always thought of as a “metal” amp company, but this thing is seems so versatile that you play almost play any style of music with it.
can the blackstar midi controller be phantom powered by the Engl and does it send cc commands to switch the different functions of the amp? thank you for your help ;)
Wonder if you could use a joyo cab box with all that.
That Ibanez is sweet man.
How similar is it to the Hughes & Kettner Switchblade 100 head? Lead/Ultra channels wise?
From amps to plugins back to amps.. haha. I love it
Engl… never disappoints!
Подскажите пожалуйста, когда отключаешь выход на кабинет и берёшь линейный сигнал из усилителя в звуковую карту, теряется ли влияние оконечника?
fantastic video. i want one now 😔
This is a great am for sure - but essentially it's a little less flexible, a little bigger and weightier Hughes & Kettner Grandmeister. A direct comparison would be very interesting!
From the demos, it feels like the base tone is a little more interesting than the H&K. The IR loader beats the old school analogue cab sim too.
Perks of having insomnia, getting notifications about dope shit.
sounds rippin!
Isn't this basically a Hughes & Kettner Grandmeister 40?
Anyone knows if its basicly the same sound as the standard E606 or is there a new voicing?
Wow [calculating how much I could get for selling most of my pedalboard and amps] ... this could be "the answer" when I've been looking at going full modeller.
I ordered this Ibby. Can someone elaborate on that guitar? I dunno about these pick-ups, probably gonna swap them eventually...
cool axe and amp.
Tray playing this intro is like when someone says the movie name in the movie.
This or the Fireball 25? It’s for metal, metal and more metal, but I do like the built in gate and delay. Is the metal tone any different between the SE and Fireball?
I like the tone on this one better, personally, it’s tighter and more aggressive, the Fireball has more low end but it’s looser and uglier to me, I did a video on that one too if you wanna compare
Engl Ironball SE v Revv G20 v Hughes & Kettner GrandMeister?
They need to make the powerball se and put a tuner on it!
A Powerball 25 would be a great start for this. 😁 However, given that one of the primary differences between the Fireball and the Powerball is the number of knobs, I assume a Powerball 25 wouldn’t be large enough to fit all of those controls onto the front panel.
Had a mark series amp feel
Does this amp have any serious competition? Can't find any.
Now if Friedman esq company made an amp like this I’d be all in. This amp is killer but I want to be able to do sweet stratty stuff. More mellow
You have the Hughes & Kettner TubeMeister Deluxe 20.
Cheers Trey, I was actually one of the first in the US to own the SE. It is a beast with the features and does sound great, however my Bluguitar Amp1 Iridium is hard to beat. Let us know if you find any cool IR's that work well with this one!
The Iridium is SICK
@@treyxaviermusic Hehe, I have two original Amp1's that I run in stereo on my board into an H9. No fumbling, no mess, just pure goodness and it sounds so clean. I think the entire board weighs 7 pounds :) No "airy" sound at all if that makes sense. Either way, I am definitely holding on to the Engl SE. A very well executed amplifier from Horst. Kudos my man!
Are they planning on doing a Savage with those features? Is 20 watt enough for band rehearsal with an acoustic drummer?
My main gigging/touring rig is a rack mounted Boogie Triaxis into a valve power amp. I used to use a 50+50w Marshall EL34 power amp but it weighs a lot, like a hell of a lot, and I got fed up with lifting something that weighed several stone. I brought a mono 6L6 power amp that switches from 50w down to 20w and the 20w is absolutely capable of being used with a live drummer. In fact there's very little difference between 50w and 20w in terms of perceived volume. It's loud enough to take your head off so while I haven't played the Engl I can state that in my experience 20w is well up to the job. I use a 2x12 custom built Matamp cab and most people underestimate how much of an impact on your tone a cabinet can have. Not every 20w amp is the same in terms of volume though but I reckon it'd be grand for a full band rehearsal.
@@rubievale thanks for the info. I also have a tube Poweramp (that rack mount engl one) with 2x20 watts, there I go out in stereo to the 4x12 cab because I never could get the real cut through with only 1x20w... The interesting part here is, that you could even if it may lack a bit volume vice, you could still go direct into the PA at rehearsal and be heard through that as well... Or your own monitoring system, in ears etc.... The Engl mini version is only 8 kg, which is fine for a complete rack. I hate the weight of my AxeFx plus the Engl Rack Tube Poweramp sooo unnecessary 🪨.
I got one, it’s fucking dope. Buy it… buy it!! *join us*
If this is was a 50 watt combo, I'd be all over it.
Didn't expect Fade to Black, I take it you were born in the 80's.
i like it
I could toss quite a few riff salads with one of these!
Just got my ADAM 10" sub today, A7X's coming tomorrow, got the 2.1 Matched Set from Sweetwater. Dear god this sound good! I just got the LFE coming out of my receiver for now, going into one of the unbalanced RCA inputs. The XLR inputs hooked up to my Apollo X8p.
ausgezeichneter Verstärker...hail hydra!!
They should have made it 50watts. Would have been able to compete with a evh stealth. Otherwise ppl will buy a stealth because it's the same price and a Ton more wattage
I want to drink with you and Ryan Reynolds and witness a heated argument. Also, I enjoy your content.
Imagine seeing this title even 5 years ago.. just goes to show how far modeling technology has come, but we still can’t forget about the original source material (real amps) 🤘
ikr, in 2017 it would've been "a modeler to replace your tube amp?"
How tough was it to set up the midi patches?
Super easy, and I’m not even particularly MIDI smart
In all honesty, this amp sounds best with a creamback 65 in your cabinet. The vintage 30 is way too ice picky for this amp. The creamback makes it come alive.
While the new ENGL Ironball sounds super great…my modeler was only $450 vs $1500…and if I’m splurging $1500 on an amp head, Im going after a (used) JVM410H…regardless, this amp is fantastic. I like all the options and features.
Yeah, for me it's really hard to spend that money when I could get an entire EVH 5150 for a similar price, which can do anything from godlike studio tone to live performance
@@commisargamerson1666 I’m not gonna lie. I just finally pulled the trigger and got the ENGL lmao
a little too bright, too much hi mids or something for me, but would sound cool blended with another scooped amp like the Rectifier or OG 5150 to give it a nasty bite. Dry clean channel sounds good.
to be fair most people nowadays people like djent a lot. also it has a presence knob, just turn down the presence if you want less high mids lmao
This is something I've noticed with the gear demos of this amp. Not so much that there's too much mid or treble, but that there's not enough bass. I think that generally flies because us metal guys are always trying to 'tame the low end' in one way or another, but when you stack it up against the Fireball 25 or Invective MH (or just a bigger amp) it sounds a tad anemic. I find a good low-end adds a lot of dynamics and texture to a tone. You get more of the fundamental, too - people can actually tell what notes you're playing. In my experience this is easier to take out where there's too much, than to add back in where there isn't enough out of the box.
A Swiss army knife? From Bavaria? 😂
what vst drum program use?
In this video it was real drums, but generally I use Superior Drummer 3 and EZDrummer 2
@@treyxaviermusic thanks man i was impressed with the drum sound i was hoping to be vst! Btw i enjoyed your video nice playing and sound this little beast 🔥🔥🔥
That is so wickeeeeed
NO TOP LINE IN THE DEMO. GONG!
Wow incredible for only $1450!
I've had the original Ironball e606 for nearly a decade and I'll swear by it. Plug direct and people will ask you about your tone.
I can't "forget" about modellers as $1450 is too expensive for me. All I can afford is $500 or so modellers 😬
You can get a LOT of modeler for that much
All these adjetives you've used to describe this amp.....have been used to describe....me.....
is this a true question? we should be wondering why for the last 7 years things like kemper and axe have been pushed by market and communities
Hmmmmm gea r gourd 🎃
Next up - "Replacing your smartphone with a rotary phone".
Sounds great BUT $1500 bucks for this thing ???? UPDATE: Just bought one for $1100 and Holy F#$kballs ! Worth it ! No need for any pedals just throw them away. Savage !!
Yea its great and all but the price isnt great
$2500 AUD? No it doesn't replace my laptop with amp sims 😜
PROGRESSIVE RIFFS AREN’T SONGS! You get the gong!
Gear demos aren’t songs. I gong myself
@@treyxaviermusic touchè. Solid riffs tho. Solid gear demo as well.
Also it’s a real song that I removed the topline from to make it a gear demo hahaha
Ah damn! Jokes on me! Lol. Hey man just keep the content coming! Totally dig it
Not good enough sound for my taste): not the best tone for the fade to black solo... also the rythem parts did not sound so good for the most part.. especially the "Metallica scoop" one sounded like trash
it really has that ring of an amp sim although it not exactly is one
maybe it would sound better miced, Idk
2019: sells dsp because modelers and tube amps are expensive
2020: sells modelers because tube amps are expensive
2021: oh cheap tube amps lol wait no ENGL
Me: *gassing in Ohnmacht*
Screw modelers, this tone will probably never be out dated or have support for it dropped by the manufacturer
Legit question... If a modeler is "good enough" already, would you care about updates anyway?
A good modeler doesn't get "outdated" either. And will probably last forever without maintenance.
@@daniloberserk All electronics can potentially fail. Sure there's routine maintenance on tube amps but if a modeler gets fried then I guarantee most amp repair shops won't help you and if it's out of warranty then the manufacturer won't help either. You can find tube amps that can be serviced back to life even from the 30s/40s, whereas a lot of digital gear gets tossed in the garbage. That being said, this Engl Ironball SE probably isn't fun for amp techs to work on due to it having digital components inside and it being a cramped chassis. If reliability is what you're after a modeler is great but it's hard to beat a simple tube amp as far as longevity.
@@Escapism7133 Oh, I'm sure that most repair shops wouldn't bother to fix an amp modeler. But they're not even close price wise to be a comparison to start with. And I'm pretty sure they're extremely reliable, I mean, it's still easy to buy an Zoom 505 nowadays.
Not sure where you got the info about a ton of digital gear getting tossed out though.
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What I'm saying is that isn't a strict "rule" that makes digital gear obsolete. It's just the consumerism of guitarists talking.
Personally, I don't understand the existence of extremely expensive modelers like kemper or axe-fx. So for units like these, I personally would just get an real amp instead.
Sure, no "good amp" gets outdated. In fact, most of then get more valuable over time (like what happens with dual rect revisions). But the "fixation" toward tube amps is mostly an psychological phenomena then anything else nowadays.
I mean, an hotone ampero one costs 300 bucks and doesn't sound worse then an axe fx, and mostly important, it can import IRs.
You'll still need an good power amp + good cabs or some FRFR solution. Fortunately, it's very cheap to make or buy an Class D solution with tons of watts. The "power amp" distortion can be modeled and having enough headroom in a class D is everything you need at that point to sound exactly like an cranked tube amp (if you like that type of sound), ss amp, or whatever you need.
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I'm not saying that tube amps aren't important and must die. But it bothers me how many people think they NEED an tube amp, or even an SS amp to sound good or professional, or any expensive gear. Even free plugins from years ago (like Lepou stuff) doesn't sound "outdated" by any means.
@@daniloberserk They all have one thing in common, they're tools for musicians. I don't think any one category of gear is better than another, they're all just a means to amplify or record your guitar and whichever you prefer is what is best for you.
I'm merely pointing out that a tube amp with a simple circuit will continue to run as long as someone is willing to work on it because the parts were made to be replaced and fixed. To reiterate, not all tube amps are created equal and many are not designed to be easily repaired (ironically most of those would be amps that incorporate more digital components or use manufacturing techniques that cut production costs such as PCBs).
However, the vast majority of digital gear is not designed to be easily repaired at all (not that some techs can't). The components are often small and not modular (meaning you have to replace a large chunk of the equipment if something goes wrong - if it's salvageable at all).
What do you think happens to modern TV's or stereos when they have an issue? Most of them go in the garbage. Tube TV and stereo/radio repair was a decent business for techs before digital flat-screen TV's were around. This goes for the vast majority of digital equipment of various industries. Most of the time it makes more sense to replace the item entirely than to pay to have it fixed.
@@Escapism7133 I 100% agree. But the main argument was modelers getting "outdated". Most people think that you must buy the new "hot "modeler" every year and this is just wrong.
But price tag and "value" is something very strange when talking about music gear. People get very emotional about that sometimes, to the point of entering in denial about the science behind this techs and psychoacoustics.
Talking about tone specifically, no one sounds necessarily better or worse. In fact, sometimes in music you may like something "technically" worse. It's an artistic representation after all... Most modern metal sounds "expensive" production wise, but very generic. Is this a good thing? I can't answer.
Talking strictly about modeling technology and matching the tone of a real gear, it's a fact that nowadays we already have technology for that. I mean... Some people still think an Klon Centaur costing 8000 USD would sound "better" then any 50 USD clone that you can buy. As I said, it's an psychological phenomena.
The fact is, it doesn't. BUT you might have an inspiration playing with something like an original Klon Centaur and knowing it's history.
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TL/DR: Tone wise, probably any modern gear is "good enough", and you don't need to be rich to have an "expensive sound". But to create music and get inspiration is another thing. No piece of gear can do anything without an artist after all. Most praised gear started to be "legendary" specially because musicians created classics with then.
Nope 👎🏻 bad comparison
This looses against nearly every modeller on so many levels unless you really want a metal amp !
07:40 *favorite
That's cringe right there. Damn Germans... Using outdated British English for the international market or in general. C'mon Engl, you should know better. But then again, they're Germans, so they don't...
tone is horrible....
Gods could you play something else besides Metallica? Overkill, Exodus, Nevermore anything but a has been fucking band.
Metallica is the biggest band in the world, they're anything but has-beens lol. Nevermore literally doesn't exist anymore.
@@treyxaviermusic When your sister wants to borrow your Metallica that's when it is over.
Lol John your on fucking drugs. Those bands aren’t even in the same galaxy as Metallica FFS. You can do better than that.
@@user-yk4gd1fl4z Here comes the cheerleaders.