The fact that Steven was actually able to cut back in and stay there long enough to get his point out was great, he's just correct, but holy fuck SOSCast once again with the E X A C T S A M E T O P I C AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN
I mean, its not like most of the people are deep into research and can challenge anything being said. Most people just parrot w/e meme they saw on Instagram and that is the extend of their education on the topic. Lack of understanding of the topic will show the moment you ask 1-2 questions and then everything falls apart. I dont blame them tho, its allot of stuff to read. I would just prefer that they said "i cant comment, i just dont have any strong position on the topic" and this is where it should end. Just wait for lighter topic that you know something about - that it.
@@CrimeaisRussianBro Not really - Sacrificing your entire life and giving any hope of a career on the hopes that the person you marry at 18 will actually spend the rest of their life with you... that's why you end up with so many 30 year old single mums - because they chose to shack up with a guy only for them to leave or turn out to be a POS/a complete bum. Either way its a life altering decision. You also missed the point entirely... You have people like Pearl sat there going "Women shouldn't have rights, Women shouldn't be allowed to divorce, Women should marry someone at the age 18 and settle down with a family because that's what people did back in the day" - whilst she herself is 27, has never been married, is career driven, is attention orientated with her whole life on social media and has never been in a long term relationship... its just hilarious that people like that will actively tell women to do something they themselves never did but will also say they aren't educated enough to make those decisions at that age.
@@CrimeaisRussianBro Depends, doesn't it? If you feel like you're a woman then yeah that's a far better outcome. If you experience gender dysphoria and are of the conviction that you are a man, then being a single woman at 27 is a pretty shit outcome.
Lol she thinks most people find out they’re trans by a doctor randomly saying “have you ever considered that you might be transgender?” And the person responds like “hmmm I’ve never actually thought about that.” 😂
I think the fear is that the confusion just comes from the natural confusion that a lot of kids go through, especially in a time in which transgenderism or gender fluidity is a fad. Not even Destiny would deny that it's a fad. Then the confusion might get reaffirmed by a doctor who has the power of authority behind them, but may end up being ideologically suspect. We know the health industry is biased towards overprescribing medication, even for something like ADHD, because they want to not only expand the field but also profit off of it. Less ADHD diagnoses means less reason to see the doctor and less ADHD medication being prescribed.
Kids make life changing decisions under the age of 18 all the time. We have to choose our educational track, subjects to study, whether or not we go to university/take on student loans, etc.
Cutting off a little girls boobs shouldn't be one of them LOL as well as you are ignoring the aspect that children are very easily influenced or pressured, especially young girls, so no a 13 year old girl should not be able to cut her boobs off This is literally the same logic as lowering the age of consent to 12 and 13, "well who cares, children make life changing decisions all the time", i mean if you think a 13 year old girl has the maturity to contemplate and make a decision on something as damaging and life altering as cutting off their own body parts, then yeah why not lower the age of consent to 13 too then if children are so big brained and mature LOL
If trans still meant "someone with physical dysphoria", I could support transition for minors on a case by case basis. Now that activists have made the term functionally indistinguishable from gender nonconformity, I think transition should be strictly limited to adults.
@@thevipez8740 That's possibly the most regarded thing I've ever heard in my life. If a 14 year old wants to have sex, they can do it with another 14 year old. If you are experiencing dysphoria regarding how you look in regards to gender expression, then the solution is to express as the gender you feel like you should be. I love how you use the language of "cutting off a little girls boobs" even though that's not remotely close to what happens when it comes to blocking puberty or taking hormone therapy, fucking loser.
You're a bit arguing that two wrong makes a right. Yes choosing a profession under 18 can be based on flawed thinking and people sometimes do realize that later in life. That's bad but it doesn't mean we should make this kind of mistake in other areas. Also choosing the wrong profession is less costly than choosing the wrong sex.
Driving cars can only be dangerous if that person is an idiot that doesn't pay attention to what they're doing on the road or under the influence. Any man or woman that transition under the age of 18 that either have a minor form of gender dysphoria or possibly have no gender dysphoria at all could possibly regret doing that with the effects of reversing the process would be highly difficult to almost impossible to depending on the age of transitioning and circumstance. There's a age of consent law in order for some young people to consent into having sex with legal adults, the same thing would apply with a legal age for a person with gender dysphoria to transition from one biological sex to another.
@@25taylorkw "Driving cars can only be dangerous if that person is an idiot that doesn't pay attention to what they're doing on the road or under the influence. " Ah yes, because accidents are never caused by other people.
@@25taylorkw I think no matter what, it's easier to reverse one person's gender transition than it is to reverse killing a family of 4 on the freeway. You point out cars are only dangerous when driven by idiots or people under the influence. Well big shocker, kids are absolutely idiots who don't pay attention. An average of 9 teens aged 16-19 die every single day from car accidents. *In fact* traffic deaths are the leading cause of youth deaths in the United States.
@@franklinnartz1381 Who said that there never was? The people that caused by dumbasses ( aka accidentally bump into cars for simple driving tasks like leaving a dent in someone's car because they don't know how to properly parallel park ). Some people make driving cars more difficult than it needs to be when in reality driving a car as an adult is quite simple if you just follow instructions. So your point doesn't debunk anything that I say.
I was lied to. I was told Destiny loses his mind. Seems to be a perfectly lucid and well-supported argument. Where have all the limited government conservatives gone? There is nothing more sacrosanct than bodily autonomy and a parent-child relationship.
Limited govt doesn't mean no govt. If a person is abusing their child or killing them, then it makes sense for even a limit govt person to want intervention. The real question is if child transitioning affirmation is abuse or if abortion is murder. But those questions are entirely separate from the limited govt aspect.
When conservatives say "limited government" its mostly bullshit. Don't take them by their word, go by their actions. They will say "limited government" but no abortion at all, while also banning birth control pills.
I agree that there are certain aspect we dont have control over BUT in this context we do have a control. There should be no one standing in your way between parent/Kid and doctor (at least not for gender identity) If this is America and you value freedom of choice (as long you are not breaking the law) i would say do w/e you want. Live and let live.
Both sides of politics have aspects that are forcing the parents to not make decisions for their children. There are examples from both sides doing it.
Gender dysphoria (GD) is the distress a person feels due to a mismatch between their gender identity-their personal sense of their own gender-and their sex assigned at birth. The diagnostic label gender identity disorder (GID) was used until 2013 with the release of the diagnostic manual DSM-5. The condition was renamed to remove the STIGMA (lmao) associated with the term disorder. Lmao Body integrity dysphoria (BID, also referred to as body integrity identity disorder, amputee identity disorder and xenomelia, formerly called apotemnophilia) is a mental disorder characterized by a desire to have a sensory or physical disability or having discomfort with being able-bodied beginning in early adolescence and resulting in harmful consequences. BID appears to be related to somatoparaphrenia. People with this condition may refer to themselves as "transabled".
Destiny may not care if a psychologist can treat his child without his permission, but maybe a majority of people in his state disagree with him. The way democracy in this country works is that the will of the majority prevails unless it violates the Constitution. If the majority in Destiny's state would vote contrary to Destiny's will, he would try to prevent the majority will from being carried out. That's the working definition of tyranny.
There is a difference in expressing what ought to be and how it would be implemented. Destiny has never one said or implied that if the majority votes on something that should not be done. Also, he didn’t say the psychologist could treat the child without his permission, I think he explicitly said that a medical procedure needs the parents, a doctor, and the child.
if your child lost an arm, would you want them to just bleed to death or would you want them to do the life-altering surgery called "saving their fucking life"
This is a false argument, god I wish I could debate destiny on this. We pass laws saying kids under 21 should not drink, you as a parent doesn’t have the right to give him alcohol or cigarettes detrimental to their health. U would not be ok if your child suffered from body integrity identity disorder where they wanted to cut a body part. If your child felt like they should amputate their pinky u would not be ok with it. So why is their genital ok?
Destiny would wipe the floor with you. "With the exception of five states (Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, New Hampshire, and West Virginia), all states and DC allow underage consumption of alcohol under limited circumstances such as in the presence of parents, for religious or medical purposes, or while in a class that requires tasting." So, you're already wrong. Besides, are we not talking about hormone therapy? I know Destiny is not for minors have gender affirming surgery. What about circumcision? My parents decided for me, that THEY wanted to cut my foreskin off. At least with gender stuff it is the minor making the informed choice once the doctor and parent are satisfied that the minor would be a good candidate for treatment (hormone therapy/blockers), and that it's not just some impulsive desire influenced by something else going on in their life that could be improved before making that commitment. Also, are we not just talking about hormone therapies and blockers? I don't think we're talking about full blown sex-change surgery for the minor, right? Because, hormone blockers can have a really good chance at giving the kid relief for the time being, can largely be reversed (I believe), and it helps to ensure the later more drastic procedure (if desired) will grant a higher satisfaction for a male to female surgery because you can avoid the puberty growth that can be hard to disguise once they are 18. I don't think surgeries should be permitted, but what I have read about hormones therapies, I don't think the government should be getting involved. All the "horror" stories I've seen, seem very overblown, numbers magnified, context altered, or maliciously made-up. I don't know why you think "cutting off a pinky" is a good counter-argument. That's just a bit silly. Would there be any reasonable argument that cutting off a pinky would help one's emotional well-being? Let's be honest, a minor could just decide that on their own anyway, bucket of ice, tin snips, and throw that pinky where nobody will find it, lol. Besides, you're allowed to have a nose-job as a minor, and other plastic surgery (not breast implants though). I remember my friend had ears that stuck out really far, he was miserable about the teasing and not getting the desired attention from girls, but he had surgery for that at like 15 years-old, and he was SO much happier, he was a new kid. If parents can have their little boy's foreskin cutoff (don't certain Jewish faiths have a rabbi literately suck the blood off a penis after removing foreskin? That needs to stop!), then I'm perfectly fine with giving minors the avenue (hormone therapy) that could ensure they have the chance to live their best lives, as long as it's done super responsibly with plenty of due process to make sure they're making the best decision for their mental health.
@@niko7903 ok, not gonna lie, u enlighten me about the fact that parents can provide alcohol to their children under their supervision. I did not know that. You provided some insight into hormonal blocking that I did not know. You made some great points not going to lie. I still maintain though that if your kid wanted to cut off their pinky but u didn’t like that example, what about their legs? But honestly u right, destiny would nope the floor with me. Lol
@@carlospthedon Don't feel bad, Destiny would wipe the floor with us all, that's his job. Hey, I really appreciate you being receptive, and willing to take that information and perhaps reconsider your ultimate position with some further thought. That's very big of you, and too few of us show that character trait. I do understand where you're coming from, this is a pretty serious issues, even if the numbers of people seeking gender affirming therapy is very low in a population sense, it carries very serious risks and consequences, and shouldn't be taken lightly. I just try to have the best information that I can, and listen to the professionals. I also try to make a point to consider what these people are going through, consider the benefits it could have for them, empathetically putting yourself in the shoes of these people and their parents is a great skill to practice, and we're all better off the more we use that skill. Peace, brother. appreciate you.
@@niko7903 appreciate u saying that, I like to think that I can take out my ego and admit when I’m wrong or I may not be as well versed on a topic as I thought I was. I appreciate you educating me on this matter
A woman is an adult female human. Prior to adulthood, a female human is referred to as a girl (a female child or adolescent). Denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes. Women inherit a pair of X chromosomes from their parents, and are capable of pregnancy and giving birth from puberty until menopause. More generally, sex differentiation of the female fetus is governed by the lack of a present, or functioning, SRY-gene on either one of the respective sex chromosomes. Female anatomy is distinguished from male anatomy by the female reproductive system, which includes the ovaries, fallopian tubes, uterus, vagina, and vulva. The adult female pelvis is wider, the hips broader, and the breasts larger than that of adult males. Women have significantly less facial and other body hair, have a higher body fat composition, and are on average shorter and less muscular than men. A man is an adult male human. Prior to adulthood, a male human is referred to as a boy (a male child or adolescent). Like most other male mammals, a man's genome inherits an X chromosome from the mother and a Y chromosome from the father. Sex differentiation of the male fetus is governed by the SRY gene on the Y chromosome. The male reproductive system contains the external genitals (the penis, testes and the scrotum) and internal parts, including the prostate gland, vas deferens and urethra. During puberty, hormones which stimulate androgen production result in the development of secondary sexual characteristics, thus exhibiting greater differences between the sexes. These include greater muscle mass, height, the growth of facial hair and a lower body fat composition.
I agree with destiny on a lot of things but this I only partially agree. I think if a child is having ideas of being trans they shouldn't allow them to medically do anything to their body before turning 18. Puberty does all kinds of things to kids and makes them think all kinds of weird shit. Allowing children to make decisions that could affect the rest of their life and bar them from having children is actually insane. 0 cosmetic surgeries before 18 sounds 100% reasonable to me. Parents doing that to their kids are actually nutbags that are more than likely just weirdo liberal psychos that are more than likely pushing their beliefs onto their kids anyway.
Why is Destiny comparing allowing discourse and arguments to talking about making laws about what actions the government should keep parents from doing to their kid. Isn’t the first topic related to restricting speech and Destiny moves the conversation to the government restricting him from doing actions he thinks are medically best for his child? The government already makes laws about what actions you can’t take against children even if you are their parent, but it’s not related to free speech and discourse.
I don't think that was a topic at all, more of a thing the soscast host does to try to alleviate the tensions in his podcast like - "ah this is beautiful that we can disagree to agree etc etc"
@@frostkanalas I mean Destiny responded directly to what he said at 0:15 and said to the host you got it backwards. Unless he was referring to something else
Then she can make that dumb argument instead. However, she made the argument that kids should not make life-changing decisions until they are 18. Which is even more dumb as hell.
My parents choose to cut my foreskin off. Not me. There are apparently cases of poor little boys losing their little soldiers completely (can't bring myself to actually read about them, mind you 😉), now that's clearly a damaging life altering thing... Even successful (mine was, - phew), they decrease your sexual sensation, and perhaps satisfaction, I might consider that damaging.
To be fair though, the government intervenes all the time when it comes to the parent-child relationship. Even in the medication example he used the govt manages that through doctors (you need a prescription, dosage is regulated by medical bodies). I think the steel-man argument of conservatives being concerned with the well-being of minors is a fair one and if you pushed most reasonable liberals (especially parents) that would be able to understand where they're coming from whilst still disagreeing on the premise (the extent to which transitioning/hormone therapy does cause harm).
like choosing the education you want to do? like choosing not to take hormone blockers? like choosing to drive a car? are you so dishonest and dumb that you think your take makes any sense?
prescribing insulin for a diabetic who's under 18 is beneficial, prescribing hormone therapy to a minor who thinks they're trans is equivalent to prescribing a 16 year old football player with trenbolone to preform better and "feel content"
Because the issue is that the law is meant to protect the child not the childs parents interests. It's like saying someone who whips their child shouldn't be punished by anti physical violence laws... that's not the doctors or the parents problem, it's the problem of law and society... People want laws that protect children from the influence of parents who they themselves are influenced and go to doctors who are afraid of a loud community and political movement that may get their careers ended if they say the wrong thing.
@@raneenah3240 Going by a growing sentiment of trans regret, a lack of understanding still on subject of transitioning from science/medicine. The difficulty of differentiating legitimate and momentary body disphoria, the damage done from over zealous parents that get carried away in the movement, the problem with doctors being bias to one side or the other of the fence which can cause trouble for the kid in multiple ways, the permanent damage that's possibly done, the issue with the psychology of having walked a path then regretting it but double downing due to the massive investment into say walk. It's just not a good idea for parents or doctors to have a say on this, law should protect a child until they are old enough to protect themselves from the decisions they will or will not make. And with plenty of video footage of kids not wanting to transition but some parents forcing it, the documentation on some doctors who are overly eager or pushing an agenda of their own... It paints an imagine of who, what and why kids need protection via law, you can find a thousand rationalizations for most things, but in the end of the day the issues need solving and laws will do that even if it tramples on some peoples feelings or ideals. No one is stopping a person from transitioning when they become 18. When I was 12 I thought I was going to be a goth my whole life, luckily no permanent surgeries were available at the time. Also a fair warning, but there is a lot of profit to be made out of transitioning, which is another reason doctors aren't the one's to go to for the final say. Hell, most will just find a doctor that alligns with what they want. And remember the origin story of modern transitioning, it involved SA from the doctor on two kids.... Plenty of stuff to make you want protection from LAW for your kids, even if that means protecting them from yourselves/ourselves/our doctors etc
@@nameisbad "And with plenty of video footage of kids not wanting to transition but some parents forcing it, the documentation on some doctors who are overly eager or pushing an agenda of their own... " Can you provide evidence of this? I looked up claims of this a while ago, and found that they were debunked and malicious claims in nature. But, if you have something confirmed, I'd like to see it. Plus the information that I've seen of people having regrets, is extremely low single digit percents.
@@niko7903 I'm sad you didn't address anything else other than cherry pick it that one point, I knew as I wrote it that someone would. First of all can you provide me the debunking information from a reliable trustworthy source. Here's one example of the issue: search on youtube: Parents Say Their 4-Year-Old CHILD Is TRANSGENDER by The Comments Section with Brett Cooper Other interesting things that showcase that even 18 year olds are making mistakes about this: Detransitioning: She Regrets Transitioning From Female to Male by Dr. Phil I'm looking for more and finding it but like I'm going to stop, the dark reality of parents exploiting their children for views on youtube is actually mind blowingly painful. There is issues on both sides, trans regret is not being addressed much by either side leaving individuals feeling lost at sea and alone. This isn't about compassion anymore and that hurts my heart. If you want to take what I've said as insufficient then you can, if I haven't given enough evidence tho we both know there's more out there for that one singular point then you can ignore that point. But the fact you only called out one point really does showcase that on the whole, these issues really do exist. We... unbearably live in a world today where we actually DO need laws to protect children from their parents more so than ever, the media obsessed generations are attention seeking at any cost, whether for attention or for money, but it's unarguable there are people out there that will use their children to make a quick buck or to feel relevant/important.
@@nameisbad You acknowledge that there is difficulty coming to a diagnosis, and indeed it's hard. Dysphoria could be legitimate, it could be confused with body dysmorphia, it could just be depression, a phase, or it might be due to a hormonal imbalance either from puberty or a condition. With the myriad of reasons that a child might request a gender therapist, do you actually know that you are protecting the child? How do you know that the child won't regret transitioning after puberty? How do you know that the dysphoria isn't real? How do you know if the dysphoria is caused by a hormone imbalance?
Destiny just dodges the obvious matter at hand (like always) through fast speaking and topic changes. It’s all about gender affirming surgery, puberty blockers etc.
not cutting your child's 🥜is not a medical condition... thats and alternative life decision that carries regretful/suicidal consequences Two can play this game. You argument is stupid
They don't cut off anything from children. Children can start Hormone blockers before they go through puberty. Any corrective surgeries have to come after they're 18. Hormone blockers aren't like reversable without side effect, but it's a far cry from cutting off a kids pud. It's not even HRT which has more drastic effects.
Because, we as a society, decide on the laws of what minors can and cannot do. That way, if a so-called parent, like Destiny, wants to effectively commit child abuse by allowing their child to undergo genital mutilation, they are legally prohibited from doing it.
Thats the path you go down till you reach Saudi arabia, its so funny how u americans take your liberties for granted and go on to say shit like this lmao
The evidence seems to indicate beneficial outcomes for certain gender modification therapies. Thus, the conversation should be determined by a doctor that knows your specific situation. Similarly, if some medication that treats cancer has been shown to have good outcomes, even if it may have side effects, the use of that treatment should be determined on a case by case basis in a conversation with a patient's doctor. There are, for example, rare cases where kids can get depressed, and a medication like Lexapro may be used to treat that depression. Such medications have many criticisms and side effects, but such a use will always depend on your specific circumstances -- thus, its use should garnered with a good conversation with your doctor.
to be fair gender reaffirmation surgery doesn't happen on minors. Only medication is used in case of minors which suppresses hormones till they become an adult. Puberty Blockers are just a way to give time for the minors to transition. Which in my opinion should be acceptable. Since Puberty changes are irreversible. Obviously these things should be approved by the certified doctors and Parents
@@shadycry5047No, you've probably heard that puberty blockers don't have major side effects and changes are reversible. It's not true at all. Puberty blockers permanently impact the endocrine system. It's life altering. Never mess with the endocrine system unless it's under necessity.
Yeah, nah! I can see why you would think that, though. Cvmanuel- subscribed to: Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, Pearl, Alex Stein, Donald Trump, and Vivek Ramaswamy, and some imaginary sky fairy BS. A real intellectual here, pointing out non-sequiturs and everything. Destiny is right about the new indicator candidate.
The fact that Steven was actually able to cut back in and stay there long enough to get his point out was great, he's just correct, but holy fuck SOSCast once again with the
E X A C T S A M E T O P I C AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN
Podcasts get messy with more than like four people on it.
I mean, its not like most of the people are deep into research and can challenge anything being said.
Most people just parrot w/e meme they saw on Instagram and that is the extend of their education on the topic.
Lack of understanding of the topic will show the moment you ask 1-2 questions and then everything falls apart.
I dont blame them tho, its allot of stuff to read.
I would just prefer that they said "i cant comment, i just dont have any strong position on the topic" and this is where it should end.
Just wait for lighter topic that you know something about - that it.
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these are the same people by the way that will say things like "a girl would be better off settling down and getting married at 18" *cough* pearl
well pearl is a moron or a grifter or both
Whilst being single and 27.
@@CrimeaisRussianBro Not really - Sacrificing your entire life and giving any hope of a career on the hopes that the person you marry at 18 will actually spend the rest of their life with you... that's why you end up with so many 30 year old single mums - because they chose to shack up with a guy only for them to leave or turn out to be a POS/a complete bum. Either way its a life altering decision.
You also missed the point entirely... You have people like Pearl sat there going "Women shouldn't have rights, Women shouldn't be allowed to divorce, Women should marry someone at the age 18 and settle down with a family because that's what people did back in the day" - whilst she herself is 27, has never been married, is career driven, is attention orientated with her whole life on social media and has never been in a long term relationship... its just hilarious that people like that will actively tell women to do something they themselves never did but will also say they aren't educated enough to make those decisions at that age.
@@CrimeaisRussianBro Depends, doesn't it? If you feel like you're a woman then yeah that's a far better outcome. If you experience gender dysphoria and are of the conviction that you are a man, then being a single woman at 27 is a pretty shit outcome.
@@CrimeaisRussianBroluckily no one needs to consult you when making healthcare decisions
Lol she thinks most people find out they’re trans by a doctor randomly saying “have you ever considered that you might be transgender?” And the person responds like “hmmm I’ve never actually thought about that.” 😂
Thanks Doc. You've given me a lot to think about.
she went from an 8 to a 6 because of how stupid she proved to be with that one comment
nah that's what the teachers do
@@brettpid6416 how would you know? you're clearly homeschooled
I think the fear is that the confusion just comes from the natural confusion that a lot of kids go through, especially in a time in which transgenderism or gender fluidity is a fad. Not even Destiny would deny that it's a fad. Then the confusion might get reaffirmed by a doctor who has the power of authority behind them, but may end up being ideologically suspect. We know the health industry is biased towards overprescribing medication, even for something like ADHD, because they want to not only expand the field but also profit off of it. Less ADHD diagnoses means less reason to see the doctor and less ADHD medication being prescribed.
Kids make life changing decisions under the age of 18 all the time. We have to choose our educational track, subjects to study, whether or not we go to university/take on student loans, etc.
It's like these political hacks think that anyone under 18 is a lobotomite that can't navigate anything in the world on their own
Cutting off a little girls boobs shouldn't be one of them LOL
as well as you are ignoring the aspect that children are very easily influenced or pressured, especially young girls, so no a 13 year old girl should not be able to cut her boobs off
This is literally the same logic as lowering the age of consent to 12 and 13, "well who cares, children make life changing decisions all the time", i mean if you think a 13 year old girl has the maturity to contemplate and make a decision on something as damaging and life altering as cutting off their own body parts, then yeah why not lower the age of consent to 13 too then if children are so big brained and mature LOL
If trans still meant "someone with physical dysphoria", I could support transition for minors on a case by case basis. Now that activists have made the term functionally indistinguishable from gender nonconformity, I think transition should be strictly limited to adults.
@@thevipez8740 That's possibly the most regarded thing I've ever heard in my life.
If a 14 year old wants to have sex, they can do it with another 14 year old.
If you are experiencing dysphoria regarding how you look in regards to gender expression, then the solution is to express as the gender you feel like you should be.
I love how you use the language of "cutting off a little girls boobs" even though that's not remotely close to what happens when it comes to blocking puberty or taking hormone therapy, fucking loser.
You're a bit arguing that two wrong makes a right.
Yes choosing a profession under 18 can be based on flawed thinking and people sometimes do realize that later in life. That's bad but it doesn't mean we should make this kind of mistake in other areas. Also choosing the wrong profession is less costly than choosing the wrong sex.
We allow kids to drive cars before they're 18. That is unironically far more dangerous and life threatening that HRT lmfao
Driving cars can only be dangerous if that person is an idiot that doesn't pay attention to what they're doing on the road or under the influence. Any man or woman that transition under the age of 18 that either have a minor form of gender dysphoria or possibly have no gender dysphoria at all could possibly regret doing that with the effects of reversing the process would be highly difficult to almost impossible to depending on the age of transitioning and circumstance. There's a age of consent law in order for some young people to consent into having sex with legal adults, the same thing would apply with a legal age for a person with gender dysphoria to transition from one biological sex to another.
@@25taylorkw "Driving cars can only be dangerous if that person is an idiot that doesn't pay attention to what they're doing on the road or under the influence. " Ah yes, because accidents are never caused by other people.
@@25taylorkw I think no matter what, it's easier to reverse one person's gender transition than it is to reverse killing a family of 4 on the freeway. You point out cars are only dangerous when driven by idiots or people under the influence. Well big shocker, kids are absolutely idiots who don't pay attention. An average of 9 teens aged 16-19 die every single day from car accidents. *In fact* traffic deaths are the leading cause of youth deaths in the United States.
@@franklinnartz1381 Who said that there never was? The people that caused by dumbasses ( aka accidentally bump into cars for simple driving tasks like leaving a dent in someone's car because they don't know how to properly parallel park ). Some people make driving cars more difficult than it needs to be when in reality driving a car as an adult is quite simple if you just follow instructions. So your point doesn't debunk anything that I say.
@@franklinnartz1381right statistically speaking car accidents happen more often n r more dangerous
I was lied to. I was told Destiny loses his mind. Seems to be a perfectly lucid and well-supported argument. Where have all the limited government conservatives gone? There is nothing more sacrosanct than bodily autonomy and a parent-child relationship.
that's pretty stupid, parents don't have a right to abuse their children.
Limited govt doesn't mean no govt. If a person is abusing their child or killing them, then it makes sense for even a limit govt person to want intervention. The real question is if child transitioning affirmation is abuse or if abortion is murder. But those questions are entirely separate from the limited govt aspect.
When conservatives say "limited government" its mostly bullshit. Don't take them by their word, go by their actions. They will say "limited government" but no abortion at all, while also banning birth control pills.
Put em in their place Destiny
we dont always get to chose life changing decisions that are thrown at us .
I agree that there are certain aspect we dont have control over BUT in this context we do have a control.
There should be no one standing in your way between parent/Kid and doctor (at least not for gender identity)
If this is America and you value freedom of choice (as long you are not breaking the law) i would say do w/e you want.
Live and let live.
I love this tiny man so much
I remember that I didn’t even go through puberty till the day I turned 18 and then it all happened at once.
Beautiful framing
He do be cookin
“Children shouldn’t be making life changing decisions before 18.” Is she also against sex before 18? That’s a pretty big decision.
I’d say sex is significantly more temporary than body modification during puberty.
that's so disingenuous. comparing having sex to permanent changes to your body.. that's so wild that you would even say this.
@@iceygrillz4456 Lmao so right
@@iceygrillz4456 She was talking about sexuality at one point. "Why are you asking someone under 18 what they are attracted too"
@@iceygrillz4456 With the potential for pregnancy or abortion, it could have pretty long lasting effects.
oh no. Destiny and YoungRippa in one place?
What's wrong with that?
Tbf it went a lot better than I thought how that interaction would go
They oppose on almost everything and are extremely combative@@lampad4549
i wanna watch the full thing so bad but Ik ill probably wanna drink lava by the end of it.
Both sides of politics have aspects that are forcing the parents to not make decisions for their children. There are examples from both sides doing it.
Although I wouldn’t want my child to alter their body at a young age, Destiny is right that the government should not be involved in this
Wow this uploaded literally cut out the black guy an the white chicks response to destiny statement where he got demolished lol
same people who lost their shit about a possible vaccine mandate btw
Tiny finally looking pretty good sitting in a chair?!
Matt Walsh types have melted these peoples brains
As some people are talking, no, puberty blockers are no okay also.
People still out here thinking gender dysphoria is a “choice” or a “decision” just like autism or ADHD or cancer is a “choice” or a “decision” lmao.
Attack Destiny is best Destiny
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Gender dysphoria (GD) is the distress a person feels due to a mismatch between their gender identity-their personal sense of their own gender-and their sex assigned at birth. The diagnostic label gender identity disorder (GID) was used until 2013 with the release of the diagnostic manual DSM-5. The condition was renamed to remove the STIGMA (lmao) associated with the term disorder.
Lmao
Body integrity dysphoria (BID, also referred to as body integrity identity disorder, amputee identity disorder and xenomelia, formerly called apotemnophilia) is a mental disorder characterized by a desire to have a sensory or physical disability or having discomfort with being able-bodied beginning in early adolescence and resulting in harmful consequences. BID appears to be related to somatoparaphrenia. People with this condition may refer to themselves as "transabled".
Destiny may not care if a psychologist can treat his child without his permission, but maybe a majority of people in his state disagree with him. The way democracy in this country works is that the will of the majority prevails unless it violates the Constitution. If the majority in Destiny's state would vote contrary to Destiny's will, he would try to prevent the majority will from being carried out. That's the working definition of tyranny.
There is a difference in expressing what ought to be and how it would be implemented. Destiny has never one said or implied that if the majority votes on something that should not be done. Also, he didn’t say the psychologist could treat the child without his permission, I think he explicitly said that a medical procedure needs the parents, a doctor, and the child.
You know what we need to ban?
Trans talk in dating podcasts. Why is this even a thing?
why does Destiny want children to do life-changing operations?
if your child lost an arm, would you want them to just bleed to death or would you want them to do the life-altering surgery called "saving their fucking life"
also, you're loading the question. you're equating hormone blockers with chopping dicks off.
@@kannix386 that's a false equivalence
Because he desires the suffering of children, duh. What else could it be, right?
@@kannix386 the difference is that loss of an arm is a real thing.
This is a false argument, god I wish I could debate destiny on this. We pass laws saying kids under 21 should not drink, you as a parent doesn’t have the right to give him alcohol or cigarettes detrimental to their health. U would not be ok if your child suffered from body integrity identity disorder where they wanted to cut a body part. If your child felt like they should amputate their pinky u would not be ok with it. So why is their genital ok?
Destiny would wipe the floor with you.
"With the exception of five states (Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, New Hampshire, and West Virginia), all states and DC allow underage consumption of alcohol under limited circumstances such as in the presence of parents, for religious or medical purposes, or while in a class that requires tasting." So, you're already wrong.
Besides, are we not talking about hormone therapy? I know Destiny is not for minors have gender affirming surgery.
What about circumcision? My parents decided for me, that THEY wanted to cut my foreskin off. At least with gender stuff it is the minor making the informed choice once the doctor and parent are satisfied that the minor would be a good candidate for treatment (hormone therapy/blockers), and that it's not just some impulsive desire influenced by something else going on in their life that could be improved before making that commitment. Also, are we not just talking about hormone therapies and blockers? I don't think we're talking about full blown sex-change surgery for the minor, right? Because, hormone blockers can have a really good chance at giving the kid relief for the time being, can largely be reversed (I believe), and it helps to ensure the later more drastic procedure (if desired) will grant a higher satisfaction for a male to female surgery because you can avoid the puberty growth that can be hard to disguise once they are 18.
I don't think surgeries should be permitted, but what I have read about hormones therapies, I don't think the government should be getting involved. All the "horror" stories I've seen, seem very overblown, numbers magnified, context altered, or maliciously made-up.
I don't know why you think "cutting off a pinky" is a good counter-argument. That's just a bit silly. Would there be any reasonable argument that cutting off a pinky would help one's emotional well-being? Let's be honest, a minor could just decide that on their own anyway, bucket of ice, tin snips, and throw that pinky where nobody will find it, lol. Besides, you're allowed to have a nose-job as a minor, and other plastic surgery (not breast implants though). I remember my friend had ears that stuck out really far, he was miserable about the teasing and not getting the desired attention from girls, but he had surgery for that at like 15 years-old, and he was SO much happier, he was a new kid.
If parents can have their little boy's foreskin cutoff (don't certain Jewish faiths have a rabbi literately suck the blood off a penis after removing foreskin? That needs to stop!), then I'm perfectly fine with giving minors the avenue (hormone therapy) that could ensure they have the chance to live their best lives, as long as it's done super responsibly with plenty of due process to make sure they're making the best decision for their mental health.
@@niko7903 ok, not gonna lie, u enlighten me about the fact that parents can provide alcohol to their children under their supervision. I did not know that.
You provided some insight into hormonal blocking that I did not know. You made some great points not going to lie.
I still maintain though that if your kid wanted to cut off their pinky but u didn’t like that example, what about their legs?
But honestly u right, destiny would nope the floor with me. Lol
@@carlospthedon Don't feel bad, Destiny would wipe the floor with us all, that's his job.
Hey, I really appreciate you being receptive, and willing to take that information and perhaps reconsider your ultimate position with some further thought. That's very big of you, and too few of us show that character trait. I do understand where you're coming from, this is a pretty serious issues, even if the numbers of people seeking gender affirming therapy is very low in a population sense, it carries very serious risks and consequences, and shouldn't be taken lightly. I just try to have the best information that I can, and listen to the professionals. I also try to make a point to consider what these people are going through, consider the benefits it could have for them, empathetically putting yourself in the shoes of these people and their parents is a great skill to practice, and we're all better off the more we use that skill.
Peace, brother.
appreciate you.
@@niko7903 appreciate u saying that, I like to think that I can take out my ego and admit when I’m wrong or I may not be as well versed on a topic as I thought I was. I appreciate you educating me on this matter
Who is the word salad soyboy?
oh yeah let's talk more about the beauty of the discourse, zzzzz.
A woman is an adult female human. Prior to adulthood, a female human is referred to as a girl (a female child or adolescent). Denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes. Women inherit a pair of X chromosomes from their parents, and are capable of pregnancy and giving birth from puberty until menopause. More generally, sex differentiation of the female fetus is governed by the lack of a present, or functioning, SRY-gene on either one of the respective sex chromosomes. Female anatomy is distinguished from male anatomy by the female reproductive system, which includes the ovaries, fallopian tubes, uterus, vagina, and vulva. The adult female pelvis is wider, the hips broader, and the breasts larger than that of adult males. Women have significantly less facial and other body hair, have a higher body fat composition, and are on average shorter and less muscular than men.
A man is an adult male human.
Prior to adulthood, a male human is referred to as a boy (a male child or adolescent).
Like most other male mammals, a man's genome inherits an X chromosome from the mother and a Y chromosome from the father. Sex differentiation of the male fetus is governed by the SRY gene on the Y chromosome.
The male reproductive system contains the external genitals (the penis, testes and the scrotum) and internal parts, including the prostate gland, vas deferens and urethra.
During puberty, hormones which stimulate androgen production result in the development of secondary sexual characteristics, thus exhibiting greater differences between the sexes. These include greater muscle mass, height, the growth of facial hair and a lower body fat composition.
ok so? what's your point? read this my dude and reevaluate: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacies_of_definition
I agree with destiny on a lot of things but this I only partially agree. I think if a child is having ideas of being trans they shouldn't allow them to medically do anything to their body before turning 18. Puberty does all kinds of things to kids and makes them think all kinds of weird shit. Allowing children to make decisions that could affect the rest of their life and bar them from having children is actually insane. 0 cosmetic surgeries before 18 sounds 100% reasonable to me. Parents doing that to their kids are actually nutbags that are more than likely just weirdo liberal psychos that are more than likely pushing their beliefs onto their kids anyway.
Why is Destiny comparing allowing discourse and arguments to talking about making laws about what actions the government should keep parents from doing to their kid. Isn’t the first topic related to restricting speech and Destiny moves the conversation to the government restricting him from doing actions he thinks are medically best for his child? The government already makes laws about what actions you can’t take against children even if you are their parent, but it’s not related to free speech and discourse.
because the underline topic is freedom
Aren't those laws like "don't beat your kid"? And not "you're not allowed to give your child this medical treatment until they are 18"?
I don't think that was a topic at all, more of a thing the soscast host does to try to alleviate the tensions in his podcast like - "ah this is beautiful that we can disagree to agree etc etc"
@@frostkanalas I mean Destiny responded directly to what he said at 0:15 and said to the host you got it backwards. Unless he was referring to something else
@@weirdo3116 yeah
A law that prevents parents from clearly damaging their child for life what terrible thing...
Then she can make that dumb argument instead. However, she made the argument that kids should not make life-changing decisions until they are 18. Which is even more dumb as hell.
My parents choose to cut my foreskin off. Not me. There are apparently cases of poor little boys losing their little soldiers completely (can't bring myself to actually read about them, mind you 😉), now that's clearly a damaging life altering thing...
Even successful (mine was, - phew), they decrease your sexual sensation, and perhaps satisfaction, I might consider that damaging.
To be fair though, the government intervenes all the time when it comes to the parent-child relationship. Even in the medication example he used the govt manages that through doctors (you need a prescription, dosage is regulated by medical bodies). I think the steel-man argument of conservatives being concerned with the well-being of minors is a fair one and if you pushed most reasonable liberals (especially parents) that would be able to understand where they're coming from whilst still disagreeing on the premise (the extent to which transitioning/hormone therapy does cause harm).
destiny has talked more about his child in this podcast than he has to his child
We only know who we like 18+ faxxxxsss
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Destiny cant lose his mind because it already fell out a long time ago... Thats how we ended up in this red pill arc to begin with
If your under 18 you shouldn’t be able to make a life changing decision facts
like choosing the education you want to do? like choosing not to take hormone blockers? like choosing to drive a car? are you so dishonest and dumb that you think your take makes any sense?
prescribing insulin for a diabetic who's under 18 is beneficial, prescribing hormone therapy to a minor who thinks they're trans is equivalent to prescribing a 16 year old football player with trenbolone to preform better and "feel content"
Because the issue is that the law is meant to protect the child not the childs parents interests. It's like saying someone who whips their child shouldn't be punished by anti physical violence laws... that's not the doctors or the parents problem, it's the problem of law and society...
People want laws that protect children from the influence of parents who they themselves are influenced and go to doctors who are afraid of a loud community and political movement that may get their careers ended if they say the wrong thing.
Is gender transition really comparable to whipping? What is the harm being done?
@@raneenah3240 Going by a growing sentiment of trans regret, a lack of understanding still on subject of transitioning from science/medicine. The difficulty of differentiating legitimate and momentary body disphoria, the damage done from over zealous parents that get carried away in the movement, the problem with doctors being bias to one side or the other of the fence which can cause trouble for the kid in multiple ways, the permanent damage that's possibly done, the issue with the psychology of having walked a path then regretting it but double downing due to the massive investment into say walk.
It's just not a good idea for parents or doctors to have a say on this, law should protect a child until they are old enough to protect themselves from the decisions they will or will not make.
And with plenty of video footage of kids not wanting to transition but some parents forcing it, the documentation on some doctors who are overly eager or pushing an agenda of their own...
It paints an imagine of who, what and why kids need protection via law, you can find a thousand rationalizations for most things, but in the end of the day the issues need solving and laws will do that even if it tramples on some peoples feelings or ideals.
No one is stopping a person from transitioning when they become 18.
When I was 12 I thought I was going to be a goth my whole life, luckily no permanent surgeries were available at the time.
Also a fair warning, but there is a lot of profit to be made out of transitioning, which is another reason doctors aren't the one's to go to for the final say.
Hell, most will just find a doctor that alligns with what they want.
And remember the origin story of modern transitioning, it involved SA from the doctor on two kids....
Plenty of stuff to make you want protection from LAW for your kids, even if that means protecting them from yourselves/ourselves/our doctors etc
@@nameisbad "And with plenty of video footage of kids not wanting to transition but some parents forcing it, the documentation on some doctors who are overly eager or pushing an agenda of their own... "
Can you provide evidence of this? I looked up claims of this a while ago, and found that they were debunked and malicious claims in nature. But, if you have something confirmed, I'd like to see it. Plus the information that I've seen of people having regrets, is extremely low single digit percents.
@@niko7903 I'm sad you didn't address anything else other than cherry pick it that one point, I knew as I wrote it that someone would. First of all can you provide me the debunking information from a reliable trustworthy source.
Here's one example of the issue:
search on youtube: Parents Say Their 4-Year-Old CHILD Is TRANSGENDER
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The Comments Section with Brett Cooper
Other interesting things that showcase that even 18 year olds are making mistakes about this:
Detransitioning: She Regrets Transitioning From Female to Male
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Dr. Phil
I'm looking for more and finding it but like I'm going to stop, the dark reality of parents exploiting their children for views on youtube is actually mind blowingly painful.
There is issues on both sides, trans regret is not being addressed much by either side leaving individuals feeling lost at sea and alone. This isn't about compassion anymore and that hurts my heart.
If you want to take what I've said as insufficient then you can, if I haven't given enough evidence tho we both know there's more out there for that one singular point then you can ignore that point.
But the fact you only called out one point really does showcase that on the whole, these issues really do exist.
We... unbearably live in a world today where we actually DO need laws to protect children from their parents more so than ever, the media obsessed generations are attention seeking at any cost, whether for attention or for money, but it's unarguable there are people out there that will use their children to make a quick buck or to feel relevant/important.
@@nameisbad You acknowledge that there is difficulty coming to a diagnosis, and indeed it's hard. Dysphoria could be legitimate, it could be confused with body dysmorphia, it could just be depression, a phase, or it might be due to a hormonal imbalance either from puberty or a condition.
With the myriad of reasons that a child might request a gender therapist, do you actually know that you are protecting the child?
How do you know that the child won't regret transitioning after puberty? How do you know that the dysphoria isn't real? How do you know if the dysphoria is caused by a hormone imbalance?
Destiny just dodges the obvious matter at hand (like always) through fast speaking and topic changes. It’s all about gender affirming surgery, puberty blockers etc.
ok then pose the question he dodged. what is it?
Cutting your child’s 🍆 is not a medical condition….that’s an alternative life decision that carries regretful/suicidal consequences 🙁
not cutting your child's 🥜is not a medical condition... thats and alternative life decision that carries regretful/suicidal consequences
Two can play this game. You argument is stupid
They don't cut off anything from children.
Children can start Hormone blockers before they go through puberty. Any corrective surgeries have to come after they're 18.
Hormone blockers aren't like reversable without side effect, but it's a far cry from cutting off a kids pud. It's not even HRT which has more drastic effects.
@@Cernunnnosit is allowed in some states
@@Schacal6666 Very rare, and that's breast surgeries the extreme majority of the time (that are reversible to a degree).
Because, we as a society, decide on the laws of what minors can and cannot do. That way, if a so-called parent, like Destiny, wants to effectively commit child abuse by allowing their child to undergo genital mutilation, they are legally prohibited from doing it.
Thats the path you go down till you reach Saudi arabia, its so funny how u americans take your liberties for granted and go on to say shit like this lmao
Genitalia mutilation under 18? So are we finally gonna talk about circumcision lol.
The evidence seems to indicate beneficial outcomes for certain gender modification therapies. Thus, the conversation should be determined by a doctor that knows your specific situation.
Similarly, if some medication that treats cancer has been shown to have good outcomes, even if it may have side effects, the use of that treatment should be determined on a case by case basis in a conversation with a patient's doctor.
There are, for example, rare cases where kids can get depressed, and a medication like Lexapro may be used to treat that depression. Such medications have many criticisms and side effects, but such a use will always depend on your specific circumstances -- thus, its use should garnered with a good conversation with your doctor.
And you alone get to decide what's abuse right.
@@thatsreallyamoon they're never ready to have that conversation
Because destiny. child mutilation isn't a treatment for body dismorphia.
Damn democrats and their child mutilations.
to be fair gender reaffirmation surgery doesn't happen on minors. Only medication is used in case of minors which suppresses hormones till they become an adult.
Puberty Blockers are just a way to give time for the minors to transition. Which in my opinion should be acceptable. Since Puberty changes are irreversible.
Obviously these things should be approved by the certified doctors and Parents
@@shadycry5047No, you've probably heard that puberty blockers don't have major side effects and changes are reversible. It's not true at all. Puberty blockers permanently impact the endocrine system. It's life altering. Never mess with the endocrine system unless it's under necessity.
Plastic surgery is allowed with parental consent though
@@shadycry5047in which world are you living?! There are a lot of states that allow that and organisations that finance and push it
I heard a lot of emotional rhetoric topped off with non sequiturs by destiny.
Yeah, nah!
I can see why you would think that, though.
Cvmanuel- subscribed to: Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, Pearl, Alex Stein, Donald Trump, and Vivek Ramaswamy, and some imaginary sky fairy BS. A real intellectual here, pointing out non-sequiturs and everything.
Destiny is right about the new indicator candidate.
@@niko7903wow 🤣