What's My Line? - Betty Comden & Adolph Green; PANEL: Kevin McCarthy, Phyllis Newman (Jul 2, 1967)
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- Опубликовано: 13 мар 2015
- MYSTERY GUEST: Betty Comden & Adolph Green
PANEL: Arlene Francis, Kevin McCarthy, Phyllis Newman, Bennett Cerf
NOTE: The prior program is considered lost (Jun 18, 1967).
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![What's My Line? - Bob Cummings; Adolph Green [panel] (Apr 24, 1960)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/cH83SN-rTWs/mqdefault.jpg)
![What's My Line? - Dorothy Lamour; Ezio Pinza [panel] (Feb 20, 1955)](/img/1.gif)
People were classier and nicer back then.
Comden & Green wrote the screenplay for Auntie Mame-and, really, who else could have come up with the phrase 'an Aryan from Darien'? People sometimes forget that writers create the lines that actors speak (and sing), and these two gifted people provided for an astounding range of popular entertainment over their 60-year partnership.
In the 70s, Corky had a band called Corky Carroll And The Coolwater Casuals.
He’s still going strong in 2021.
Arlene was on a roll!
Boy Arlene KILLED it the first two challengers!
Phillis got a nice surprise.
Arlene @ 9:32 "How 'bout that?"
Priceless.
Adolph Green may not have been the most gorgeous man in the world, but I could tell how much Phyllis utterly adored him💖
This was a fun episode, with an equally-fun Mystery Guest segment.
Here's a well-deserved Bravo! to director Franklin Heller and his camera crew. At 11:23 John mentions the look on Bennett's face and immediately we're switched to the camera which shows him. A few seconds later, Bennett mentions Phyllis Newman and right away we get a two-shot of them. There was no time for a camera move in either case, and I don't suppose they had enough cameras to keep one on every possible panelist and combination thereof, so this shows both intelligent anticipation and rapid reaction to the live conversation.
It appears that Phyllis did not want to be on camera at that point. She seemed embarrassed to be portrayed as complaining that she had not gotten any airtime at that point. It may not even have been true that she complained to Bennett.
It is refreshing to read kudos given to the camera crew, who I think did a tremendous job. Thanks for your comment.
Phyllis and her Adolph Green a lifelong love as unexpected as Anne Bancroft and Mel Brooks and just as solid.
Phyllis is Alive and kicking,a bit.
I was thinking the same thing. We do stereo type people. Personalty and charm is important in a relationship.
As much as I can't stand Phyllis and find her annoying as all get out, she does sincerely always light up when she talks about her Adolph. She seems definitely very much in love with him. I wonder how they met.
I wonder how HE can stand her.
@z 19 years older and that was her only marriage that i can find
RIP Phyllis Newman (March 19, 1933 - September 15, 2019)
My favorite episodes are the ones when the mystery guest is the spouse of one of the panelists.
XD
Phyllis Is SORELY Missed. 😔🎨🧸
What A Special GoofBall; Owner Of One Of Cinema's Prettiest/Loveliest Smiles.😊🎨🧸🎨🎨☺️🎨🧸🎨🎨🎨 (Guest) Starred (One Episode) on the Very... ..Very Awesomely Cool, Slick Wild Wild West show.. ..some moons ago..
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Besides being of the foremost lyricists and playwrights, Adolph Green must have been an incredible guy to get and keep Phyllis Newman who was about 20 years his junior. GO GREEN! They also had two children together!
Love Arlene Such class
The new WML with Wally Bruner allowed interviews with every guest. It was an OK show, but can't beat the original WML of course.
Around 1:35 and Kevin McCarthy's introduction. One of the few times that a panelist mentions randomly the name of the mystery guest appearing that episode.
Supposedly, the mystery guest(s) would not show up until after the show started so the panel would not see them. A few times a panelist would accidently find out and recuse themselves from the questioning (Joey Bishop with the Ritz Brothers, Jayne Meadows with the cast of "Dinner at Eight" are examples)
Considering that Hallelujah Baby! was one of the hottest musicals on Broadway at the time (it debuted April 26, 1967 and ran 293 shows, earning Adolph, Betty and Jule Styne the Tony for Best Musical), it would not be too much of a surprise that Adolph's name came up when introducing Phyllis)
Yep, he could as well shout "they're here already, they're next!"
KEVIN MCCARTHY did a great acting job in the movie; HOTEL.
Arlene "swallowed a crystal ball" for this episode. Remarkably matching voices for the man woman mystery guests to fool Phyllis.
Segment two: "Will you sign after you have entered and put the chalk up and down please". Actually that wasn't too bad.
Joe Postove That was *the worst!* (7:09 -- in my opinion, that is. ;) )
I wish I could go back in time and write a letter to John Daly requesting that he go *back* to saying "enter and sign in please" for each contestant! I think if I were one of the contestants whom he invited to enter with one of his less "classic" speeches, I would have been disappointed.
I honestly impressed that Phyllis could trust Adolph because I don't know too many women who would not be jealous of their husband's close professional partnership with another woman or close friendship with another woman
Arlene is in the zone.
TheJMascis666 - She was 3 months short of turning age 60 for this show. Lovely. Funny. On top of her game. She had a clear love of life and generosity of spirit.
I know that Betty and Adolph were professional partners only, but I imagine they and their spouses traveled in the same social circles. Wouldn't it have been fun to be invited to the same parties they attended? Their wit and joy in life are truly infectious.
Dorothy Kilgallen it's surely missed..
totally!Strange w/o Dorothy.
She's been dead for a couple years by now. I soon got used to it.
Mary C Dorothy died November 8, 1965, so roughly a year and eight months. Her absence changed the dynamic of the show which didn’t last long after her death.
Aired less than a day before my half brother Sheldon Wax was born in Central New Jersey
Adolph Green was one lucky guy.
Poor Kevin McCarthy didn't get much to say. Arlene guessed the first contestant all by herself, then Bennett and Arlene guessed the second. The MG section was all about Phyllis. He finally got to ask some questions to the last contestant but he passed to Phyllis in his last round.
Charlie McCarthy would have had more to say!
Well now I don't even have to watch the video because it's summarized here ❤
Even after all these years, it is still a little disconcerting to remember that Comden and Green were not married to each other, given their decades of creative partnership together. Back in 1953, when they wrote the fantastic original screenplay to what I consider the best MGM musical of that decade -- Vincente Minnelli's "The Bandwagon" -- they created a Comden-and-Green-like writers-actors duo who were married to each other. They were named "Lily and Lester Martin" (Nanette Fabray and Oscar Levant) When they argued over the rewrite of their Broadway musical gone berserk, Lester tells someone, "Tell Mrs. Martin I have gone to Tahiti -- to paint!"
soulierinvestments If they were married, I don't think they could have worked so well together. Sometimes a certain distance is needed when it comes to work relations.
Gene Kelly gave a great deal of credit to Comden and Green for the success of Singing in the Rain and It's Always Fair Weather. In the 1970s as per "That's Entertainment,," other than the ballet in "American in Paris," you can tell that MGM thought "The Bandwagon" was the best of its musicals. But most people today would give that nod to "Singin' in the Rain." Somewhere along the line, that one overcame "The Bandwagon" in popularity.
Phyllis Newman died today, September 15, 2019. She might be the last panelist. All are dead now.
I use to wait on many of these folks in
NY in the late 70’s. Ms Newman and
Adolf Green. At Oneals on 57th Down
From Carnegie Hall. A the world before the internet. Love Ms Francis.
Ken Owens - The only at least semi-regular panelists that come to mind who are still alive are Sue Oakland and Jayne Meadows. This is very late at night and these are those on the edge of my mind without any further thought afforded it. The only two mystery guests that immediately come to mind as still alive are Eva Marie Saint and Olivia de Havilland. However, I would imagine there are others in both categories that are just not coming to my mind in the middle of the night. See here MGs come: Barbra Streisand, we could go on all night with this perhaps.
Ken Owens - P.S. Went to bed after my last reply and, therein lying awake, thought of Mia Farrow as a Mystery Guest (don't think she was ever a panelist), Woody Allen (as both a Mystery Guest and panelist), Steve Lawrence (as both Mystery Guest and panelist), and Betty White (as both Mystery Guest and panelist)=living.
There were about 25 guest panelists who outlived Phyllis Newman into 2020. I have listed them in the order their initial apperaances as comments to episodes. The number wasn't so great up to around 1965 but after Dorothy's death, a number of guests appeared who were quite young at the time and are still living
@@preppysocks209 Your response came to me and not to Ken Owens, to whom you directed it. You need to reply right under his comment on the death.
I don't like Bennett as a rule, but that was very generous of him to feed Phyllis the clues so she could guess instead of him.
Keven Mcarthy was excellent in HOTEL and all the other actors too. I watch that movie twice a year.
Such a handsome man Kevin
Arlene was practically clairvoyant tonight. The worst disagreement I ever saw between Arlene, John, and a contestant was in the mid 1950s on live TV involving a pig raiser from North Carolina. Fortunately that argument did not happen tonight. As I recall, it was one of the few times on WML that Arlene was wrong on a point. “Pigs are pigs” she insisted -- and that is not entirely true.
Speaking from Israel the non-pig capital of the world, it might be better said that pork is pork.
+Joe Postove
In Israel, is it six degrees of Felix Frankfurter instead of six degrees of Kevin Bacon?
Love how Betty signed Adolph's name, and Adolph signed Betty's name.
Betty and Adolph are so classy and refined.
18:30 >>> There it is, one of the classic illustrations of how awkward is the relationship of a female creative partner to her male partner's wife. Betty distributes kisses all around the panel and shakes hands very formally with Phyllis, who she might know better than all the rest of them combined.
What a talented couple...Adolph and Betty, I mean.
They wrote the scripts for SINGIN' IN THE RAIN and THE BANDWAGON, both for MGM.
John to Bennett "I'd love to go surfing with you. Guess why." HAH HAH :D
Imagine my pleasure. I have wanted to see this episode for years, but somehow I got it in my head that this episode got mislaid and lost. Thank heavens no.
Mr. Caroll's tan was a dead give away along with where he was from I think.
Betty Comden and Adolph Green wrote the screenplay to "Singing In The Rain" but only contributed lyrics to one new song ""Moses Supposes" (music by Roger Edens, lyrics by Comden and Green)". A number of songs were from the 20's and 30's (including "Singing In The Rain" ).
ruclips.net/video/tciT9bmCMq8/видео.html
Most of those songs (except for "Moses Supposes") were, in fact, co-written by the film's producer, Arthur Freed, back in the day.
@@jmccracken1963 At least one DVD release of the film includes, as bonus material, musical excerpts from the early sound films from the 1920s and '30s for which the songs were written.
@@jmccracken1963 Comden and Green wrote the entire script for "Singing In The Rain".
Phyllis has died; September 2019 86 years old.
The fireworks man was quite a jolly fellow... a "sore guy" indeed...
It would have been fitting for Henry Morgan to be a guest panelist on this episode. He usually acts like a sore guy.
Bennett said it all when he said "love gets blinder and blinder". I've never seen a couple more oddly physically matched than Phyllis Newman and Adolph Green
Galileocan g How about Arlene and Martin???
Perhaps, but at least Martin and Arlene were relatively the same age. Adolph and Phyllis had almost a 20 year difference, and Phyllis was a beauty and Adolph was.......well....not a beauty
+Galileocan Adolph did look an awful lot like many stereotypical Jewish uncles. I imagine Phyllis had one or two uncles who resembled him very much.
+What's My Line? You think they were oddly matched?
Purple Capricorn Purely in terms of physical appearance, that's all we were talking about here.
Little do they know that Adolph Green is one of the mystery guests.
I think John liked to go to Napa to stop at all the wineries.
Big affection by Cerf for Daly. Most men wouldn't show that for their best friend in public. Cerf liked the ladies too and showed that public admiration also. At one time he was married to the cute actress Sylvia Sydney. His wife Phillis is the cousin of Ginger Rogers (Which I'm a fan of.)
I was surprised to see a lack of mention in regards to Jayne Mansfield passing in the opening monologue, considering it happened a few days prior to this taping and they were all good friends... At least that's my assumption, based on the fact she appeared on the show earlier in that same year...
They never mentioned stuff like that, but also this show apparently was taped on 6/18 whereas JM died on 6/29.
It is interesting that Arlene stood up for Betty and Adolph. Phyllis should have stood up for her husband and her husband's gifted creative partner.
13:13 Arlene: "Oh, it's Marge Simpson!"
Phyllis Newman was one of my prepubescent crushes
Still inviting first time panelists back
15:48 - "...Kevin isn't married..."
I'm guessing this was 6 years on from when Kevin McCarthy and his first wife (Augusta Dabney) divorced.
Even after all these years, it is a joyful thing to see the glee on Bennett's and Arlene's faces when they get a line; particularly when they stumble upon it. What a shame the CBS executives, while WML was not in the top 30, and did not win it's time slot, could have been moved to Sunday afternoon showing that the Colombia Broadcasting System still supported good taste in programming. I wonder if John Daly and Mark Goodson would have gone for that?
For a considerable portion of the year, Sunday afternoons by this time were slotted to a sport growing in popularity by leaps and bounds: NFL football. Therefore, CBS often put sports in that time slot during other seasons of the year as well.
With that surfer, they should’ve had him only say that he was from California.
Instead of another fireworks maker, how about someone who was blown up by fireworks, just to mix it up.
I believe Barbara Groom is still alive and established the Lost Coast Brewery in California.
Betty Comden sounds like Selma and/or Patty.
Totally sounds like Julie Kavner! Glad someone else noticed first.
Arlene says, among other thing that Kevin McCarthy is a marvelous companion. That's a nice thing to say about somebody, but it sounds like Arlene ran out of adjectives. Just a little off. Truman Capote would have been "a marvelous companion". I suppose Kevin McCarthy was as well. Arnold Stang was nice company too.
I remember Corky from the beer ads in the 80’s
So James Sorgi's dad started the fireworks company in 1904 (23:58) and he is the fourth generation of the family that has been in the field. How did he manage that? Did he hire Mr. Sorgi's grandfather and great-grandfather to work for him?
I wonder if there was ever a mystery guest who wanted to stay and chat a little longer and ignored John's slight shove to say goodbye.
Joe Postove Danny Kaye. Every freaking time.
Corky was gorgeous
June 18, 1967 could not have been skipped due to celebrity clearances. Likely the kinescope was lost, or no kinescope was ever made.
F. Lee Bailey (Mystery Guest #1) was seen on "'Celebrity Bullseye" when GSN aired it in 2003, and Betty Grable (Mystery Guest #2) was seen in the existing 1965 episode of WML. And Joel Grey is seen on an episode of WML that aired later on. Celebrity clearances are much more of an issue with 70's, 80's, and 90's game shows.
A 45-second audio portion survives on the LP "The Golden Age of Television".
I have that audio in my collection. When Phyllis figures out it is the next star of "Hello Dolly," she asks, "Do you have terrific legs?" and John replies, "I'll answer that. Yes." Too bad this one got mislaid what with Grable and her legs, Bailey and his affidavits, and very early Joel Grey around the time of "Cabaret."
soulierinvestments I have a recollection of someone on the panel asking that question (the "terrific legs" one) or something like it of a mystery guest. I'm not sure who the panelist and guest involved were, but I am sure it has happened before. Can anyone with a better memory than mine confirm this by finding the right episode?
@@savethetpc6406 Dick Cavett posed the question as if the MG were Claudette Colbert but she was not the guest. I had no idea she was known for her legs.The feature I had always thought she was known for was half of her face. She insisted on only having one side of her face shown. Cameramen referred to the other side as "the dark side of the moon."
@@savethetpc6406 The question also came up I believe that Marlene Dietrich was the putative guest with the great legs. Maybe Cavett was the one who raised Dietrich and someone else raised Colbert.
Hal Simms filling in for Olson again (and very much likely also on the June 18 show).
There were two shows on June 18, and this one was done first, while the live Betty Grable episode was done next.
I wonder how prophetic "The Bandwagon" was predicting Comden and Green and Laurents and Styne's adventures with "Hallelujah Baby!" It was a musical about the civil rights movement in the first half of the 20th Century. In 1967, I bet it was all too close to the truth and to home to be truly amusing. It did run a little under 300 performances.
And it WAS playing at the time of this show, so one could say they were playing on Broadway.
Yes. A better answer might have been "In a sense."
C'mon, c'mon! I too one look at corky (the first contestant) and said to myself, surferboy!
Cerferboy?
Johan Bengtsson Nice catch, Johan!
Joe Postove Thank you,, Joe! :)
Joe Postove
Obviously Arlene did too -- perhaps they shouldn't have revealed that he was from Laguna Beach. Also, with the second contestant, there was absolutely no need for John to qualify the answer about pigs *usually* being bigger than dogs. I think all the extra information he gave about relative dog sizes gave Arlene a great big hint!
SaveThe TPC Which animal is smarter, pigs or horses?
I love Laguna Beach. It is my favorite beach here in Southern California.
Vahan Nisanian Laguna is my home town since 52
Corky and Barb don't look anything like what their lines are, do they, Arlene? #CrystalBallSwallower
You're next! You're Next!! Kevin McCarthy lol.
Had a big crush on Phyllis back then. And now when I look at her then, I see a slight resemblance to Eva Longoria.
Does anyone have a clue about why Arlene referred to Kevin McCarthy as a "companion"? I thought this might mean that they were in a play together, but it seems that he was in "Cactus Flower", replacing Barry Nelson in the role of Julian, and her production of "Dinner at Eight" had closed a few months earlier, and IBDB doesn't mention him in it.
I know very little about Kevin McCarthy and I don't find anything they were in together, whether prior to this episode or upcoming. My only guess, and it is admittedly a stretch, is that Arlene was looking for a clever way to refer to him as a de facto escort for the evening as he would be on her left for the entire half hour.
SORE-GUY ? IS it really pronounced SORE-GEE ? Unusual name.
I think Barb Groom is pretty.😊
The first contestant (The surfer favors Conan O'Brien)
prolly this week or next week, the finale will b uploaded!! :D
March 22.
woo hoo!! :D
John acknowledged everyone on the panel except Bennet.
Comden kissed everyone but Newman.
Shout out to Washington State!
I was 16 when this aired and I was in love with Phyllis Newman. Wonder if she knew ?
You can still tell her of your unrequited love. She's still alive and a widow.
TheCybertiger9 - She was so joyful in all she did and so positive with people. While it remained in NYC, she was almost a semi-regular on Johnny Carson's Tonight Show because she was witty and they got along well and she lived nearby enough to the studio that he could call on her to be a guest when someone punked-out on them suddenly. She and her husband knew he and his then wife, Joanne, from occasions around town, so he knew she was reliable. Never was she anything but a total delight and an addition to the good cheer.
She knew. Not necessarily about cybertiger in particular, but probably knew of the reaction she elicited in teenage boys. Nothing against Phyllis, but the older I get the more attractive Arlene seems.
I watched WML frequently as a teenager in the 60s, and as a brunette with bangs, I regarded Phyllis Newman as the ideal of feminine beauty and the person whose look l most wanted to emulate (I ached with envy over the flawless “bubble” hairstyle she often sported, lol). It is interesting to learn that my male contemporaries agreed with me as to her attractiveness. So many commenters on these videos seem to find her irritating, but I just always saw her as someone with a delightfully natural effervescence. Nothing grand or put-on about it, just a genuine joyfulness.
Arlene looks smoking hot in that dress.
Re: the pig lady...Washington State is in Pullman, not Spokane. As they say up there, you might say Daly "Couged it"!
Correction: I meant Washington State University, which is in Pullman last I checked.
+TheJonaco The Washington State University for Health Sciences is located in Spokane. That could have been what they were referring to.
There are 2 Washington State universities
As a life-long citizen of Washington State...Washington State University is in Pullman with a satellite campus in Spokane. So either could be somewhat correct.
Is it true that a mugger snatched Arlene's diamond heart necklace or is that just a made up story I've read. I also read or heard that her home was burglarized. If that's true maybe that's how the necklace went missing.
Was stolen many years later when in her late 70s.
@Mary C It is sad but you can buy another piece of jewelry. Much more important that the mugger didn't stab her real heart.
Yes, I read more than one place that it was actually grabbed from her neck as she emerged from a cab on the upper east side of Manhattan. In about '91 I believe, she moved to San Francisco where she organized painting as a therapeutic activity for fellow sufferers of Alzheimer's Disease.
The last guy looks like Ted Cruz
To quote soulierinvestments
Was Comden & Green's "etc." about other things?
Apparently movies were considered too minor to mention. "Singin' in the Rain" may be the greatest script they ever did anywhere. "We were stranded . . . staying in California when the offers started to pour in."
In addition to that script, they wrote lyrics to two songs from that film: "Make 'Em Laugh" (a ripoff of "Be a Clown") and "Moses Supposes," a great number which not only did not make inclusion into "That's Entertainment," but failed as well to make "That's Entertainment, Part II" or "That's Entertainment III." Sheesh.
And there was no program on June 25, 1967.
This was what preempted it on June 25. ruclips.net/video/XWtb2JwzkM8/видео.html
And on July 2, this episode was preempted in New York City, but aired everywhere else.
www.tv.com/shows/whats-my-line/episode-867-98391/
The tv.com link states this, a locally produced, hour-long CBS-TV special, "Eye on Art: The Walls Come Tumbling Down," which ran from 10:00 to 11:00 PM.
Considering who John Daly was married to, the 6/25/67 preemption was ironic. And considering how NYC oriented WML was, to have the show only preempted in NYC was strange.
Kevin McCarthy was best known for "The Invasion of the Body Snatchers".
A very good and scary film.
I believe it's very unfortunate that he's best known for that horror movie. He should be remembered for playing Willy Loman's son Biff in "Death of a Salesman."
Calling "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" a horror movie would be akin to someone describing a Raymond Chandler book to you as "that detective novel." Yes, Kevin McCarthy was a serious actor who was capable of a lot more than he got to do. But "that horror movie" was an absolute classic. The movie version of "Death of a Salesman"-- hardly a classic. The strength of the original play doesn't mean it was automatically a great film. In fact, I've never seen a production of "Salesman" on film or TV that really worked. It's a play through and through, far too theatrical from its core to work in other media.
There's a reason why "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" has been remade 3 times since the original 1956 version, because it's a powerful story that lends itself very easily to allegorical readings. It's also a purely psychological "horror" story with no gore, no jump scares, nothing of the sort, that has a lot to say about conformity and what it means to be human.
Kevin McCarthy waw best known for being the lover of Montgomery Clift.
@@WhatsMyLine It is a matter of opinion but I thought Dustin Hoffman did a tremendous job playing Willy Loman on TV in the mid-80s and many critics did so as well. I met Hoffman in 1986 and of all the performances of his I had seen, I singled out that one as one that I told him was so good.
I'm beginning to think there was a little aggression in the way John Daly is has been introducing the contestants. It's as if the producers told him, "There have been complaints about how you introduce the contestants the same way every time," and then John thought to himself, "Oh for crying out loud. I'll change it up all right, until everyone is heartily sick of it and begs me to go back to the old way--but I'll refuse!" The alternate ways he chose were always so awkward. "Make the chalk go up and down." Yeesh.
Corky Carrol had a bit of a musical career.
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+Joe Postove He made a couple of records that were produced by Michael Nesmith of The Monkees fame. Plus there are Corky Carroll surfer schools in Southern California and Costa Rica.
Funny, someone if someone claims to be known as Corky, without a second thought you know they are from California, anyone called Biff and bingo the have to be from the northwest. The combo names using part of both parents first names like Raylene, Lenette, Deloy, or Jaylene. Of corse you are talking South with JoeBob, SueEllen, unless it is a Swahili name for a girl or a LaMarcus, Ja, De first letters for a guy.
There are Corky's in Rhode Island, Kansas, and West Virginia. There is one known to be in Lichtenstein.
Corky Valentine, starting pitcher for Cincinnati in 1954 who pitched briefly for them in 1955, was born in Ohio. I had a classmate in junior high in NY named Corky. He's a college professor and I'm fairly certain he was never a surfer (he wasn't particularly athletic in any sport).
francis always had be the center of attention- she could not shut her mouth
I love John Daly's slippery use of language when he tries to give no information to the panel beyond yes or no, but I dislike the way that he speaks on behalf of an adult person sitting next to him. OK, if that person is nervous or gloomy (for example, Mr Sorgi looked less than cheerful) then Mr Daly is a tactful host who keeps things flowing on screen. The surfer and the pig raiser had very little chance to say anything and might have been interesting. Mr D is rather like a teacher who doesn't trust his students to speak for themselves - shut up and let them talk! You and we might be surprised.
Not Jermaine? What about Michael? Ba dum tiss
When you see a celeb who is on fairly often the changes over time can be VERY dramatic, Betty Grabel went south way to fast being married to a real nasty, alcoholic bastard, Ginger Rogers hung on real well, Rosemary Clooney went from glamour to the fat lady in the circus quickly of course the worst were Joan Crawford and Ray Milland who were damn scar, Kevin McCarthy suffered with age despite being a real handsome dude. I thought Betty Hutton was terrific and boy did she go down hill.
Jean-Claude Killy went downhill, too.
no Phyllis, your Adolph inst a "beautiful" movie star.
Adolph Hitl...... Green?
Obviously Arlene was coached before the show.
I still think Cerf is a cheater!!!