for no one. by, hang on a minute the name is on the tip of my tongue: it'll come back to me and in her eyes you see nothing no sign of love behind the years cried for no one ...he was in a band. what's 'is name.
Songbird (Christine McVie) must be one of the best. On the same album. How crazy is that? And another birdy one ... Birds (Neil Young) is painfully beautiful. Oh and ... Nothing Compares 2U (Prince) Band Of Gold (Freda Payne) ... Sorry. You asked for one pick. I'd better stop there.
I had her. Phil Ochs. Totally callous. “I had her, I had her, she’s nothing…..”. Some might find that the best or the worst. Basically as polarizing as a breakup.
Lyle Lovett has a couple, both from the same record, and both with unique (and very different) takes on the subject: She's Already Made Up Her Mind So now she's sitting at one end of the kitchen table And she is staring without an expression And she is talking to me without moving her eyes Because she's already made up her mind She's Leaving Me Because She Really Wants To She's leaving me Because she really wants to And she'll be happy when she's gone She'll be happy She'll be so very happy She'll dance and sing And even learn to fly And spend her time with anyone but me
I'll admit I'm biased towards Lindsey, but I think his relentless pursuing of the perfect sound for each songs is a big part of the success of rumours. I guess that by "making hits for her" he meant helping produce her songs. Great video as always, I'm waiting to see who will win the break up haha
Great topic. I really enjoy you’re videos. Your Chanel deserves a larger audience. I would like for my videos to be as organized as yours. I guess my brain just doesn’t work that way. 😀 ✌️
I can't believe it! A smart, intelligent, musician savvy reaction channel. Great breakdown! This IS my favorite breakup song. And the drum part has always been one of my favorites. Tried to get my drummer to do the same beat on one of my songs, he couldn't really nail it (damn).
Will it Beatle? 1. Stevie Nicks once had a relationship with Derek Taylor and wrote 'beautiful child' about that 2. Fleetwood's drum groove is of course inspired by Ringo's 'Ticket to ride' and 'Tomorrow never knows'
i love your work, and learn lots from you in terms of songwriting. Thank you. 50 ways to leave your lover by Paul Simon gets my vote for best break up song. if not for the chord progression then for the fabulous lyrics. Go your own way is definitely a moving and unique rocker...
Still amazed to think that “Go Your Own Way” was FWM’s first top ten hit. Overall, FWM individually and together are incredibly talented musicians, so perhaps the sound seems to neat and clean for some fans. I once heard a complaint about CSN (and sometimes Y) sounding too much like their recordings in concert.
Lindsey's vision that Mick speaks about is not just for his song - but for entire albums. Mick said they were lost in the studio w/o him. Christine called him her favorite producer. Lindsey was working in the studio long after everyone else went home or on vacation. He was the main arranger and producer for Rumours and every FM album when he was with the band. He's credited under the band name as Producer (until Mirage) but even Caillat - who still holds a grudge over Tusk - said Lindsey was the leader they all followed. As for who won the break up musically - Lindsey can make his own songs to diss Stevie whereas Stevie needed Lindsey to make her lyrics and in her own words "skeletal melodies" into songs. Unlike Stevie he didn't complain about her lyrics even when they gave a self serving impression. So yeah, he did rise above. Meanwhile Stevie has been complaining about GYOW for over 40 years. She'd probably complain about 4 or so songs on Tusk if the album was more popular. Stevie said she cheated 2 or 3 times on Lindsey and he always forgave her. Her objection was that she wasn't shacking up with other guys. Hair splitting. Though she was always shacking up/packing up with Lindsey. Stevie complained that Lindsey's songs were too self confessional while hers are more mysterious. Even after they broke up both said they were making Second Hand News booty calls. SHN is a tongue in cheek song about their continuing relationship - it's also self mocking humor which is something Stevie lacks in songs. It's silly but it's also adult and self aware. Lindsey was a musician first who always wrote lyrics last but he evolved as a lyricist. Many of his lyrics on Tusk are sharp, witty and savagely to the point. By the 90s and 00s his writing became more poetic and overall he passed Stevie as a lyricist and song writer decades ago. Stevie said she wrote Rhiannon as a mid tempo ballad. Lindsey made it into a rocker which she resented at the time. He composed musical parts for it - that iconic riff - and arranged and produced it. You think Rhiannon would have soared as much on Stevie slow plonking 3 piano chords? Listen to the dirge it's become - it's not nearly as compelling. Jimmy Iovine said when he became her producer for her first solo album that he had no idea the amount and breadth of work Lindsey did on her songs and the work he and others would have to do. Derek Taylor is also who Stevie wrote Beautiful Child about when he ended their affair to go home back to his wife and six kids.
This is an excellent and comprehensive counterargument. Can you recommend any books or documentaries? I've been going by the VH1 documentary, and a well-researched episode of the You're Wrong About podcast, but I'll take any other suggestions you might have!
@@fathommusicnz It's predominately gleaned from hundreds of interviews over the decades. The online forum The Ledge used to have a great archive but some old articles are still up on FM websites and some on the Wayback Machine. It helps to have read or watched older as well as newer because some band members change their stories A LOT. Stevie has at least a half a dozen versions for each story (some are pure self mythologizing - she was a cleaning lady for one week - and fired cause she was bad at it. Their producer Olsen said it was cheaper to have them move in) and Mick is almost as bad but they've all had different slants at different times. And I'm sure years of doing drugs and drinking didn't help with memories. There sadly have been no great or even good books written about FM. Making Rumours by engineer/producer Caillet is probably the best of the lot but he fills it with too many stories about his sex life and some dirt on the band that may or may not be exaggerated or true - because he didn't get interviews with the band he promised to the publisher and was threatened to return his advance. So he beefed it up. He also did one on Tusk as well but it's shorter, sloppier and filled with his bitterness against Lindsey for denying Ken his Rumours 2. It also has more verifiable lies/mis-rememberences. Like Lindsey giving an emphatic speech on how they will not be making an album like The Eagles - The Long Run - which came out a a couple of weeks before Tusk was released... There's a contemporaneous Making of Tusk doc on YT but of course it was highly curated by the band - still you can see them working on music BTS and it shows some band dynamics. The biographies are mostly cobbled rubbish taken from interviews and gossip rags but not first hand interviews. Even Mick's first auto bio was slagged by the entire band and Mick later admitted was filled with lies (even about his father) and that he was wasted when he co wrote it (with the same hack Stephen Davies who went on to write the Gold Dust Woman bio which gets Stevie's DOB wrong and it goes downhill from there). Aside from Rumors and Tusk there is a hysterical video re-enactment of the making of Tango In The Night - which I can't find. It actually has a few facts right along with some doozies from Mick's book but overall the re-enactments with a bunch of bad actors playing to the rafters just makes me laugh. Salon did a great write up about the recording process of making Tango in 2017 for the deluxe release even if Richard Dashut severely underplays the effects of drugs and absenteeism b/c he's too nice to rake dirt. www.salon.com/2017/04/02/he-could-be-brash-he-could-be-harsh-he-was-very-motivated-the-real-story-behind-fleetwood-macs-tango-in-the-night/ And all that may be way more than you asked for. 😁
i like going out of track listing order with these songs, not knowing what's coming next keeps things exciting! and my petty self LOVES Who Won The Breakup >:)
Who won the breakup between Lindsey and Stevie? Hands down, we the listeners. As difficult as it most certainly was for them on a personal level, it inspired so much fantastic, and enduring music.
apologies for double commenting but calling the radio station to beef after the DJ dismisses your venting-at-your-ex-girlfriend song is THE most lindsey buckingham thing i have ever heard. incredible, no notes
Lovely video and great analysis of the song. I respectfully disagree on the sequencing. As Lindsey Buckingham says in one of the clips, the sequencing is based on a back and forth narrative. Starting with two Lindsey songs breaks that.
Another excellent video 🎉 thank you 🤓 I think Ken Caillat's surname is pronounced Ka'lay? His daughter Colbie is definitely worth a listen, especially her first and latest albums.
Very fun, interesting video but you're a little off on what Lindsey does for Stevie's songs - he basically takes her demos and arranges / produces them. She admits as much in that 'Classic Albums' episode you are pulling clips from here. "Lindsay has a way of taking my songs and making something beautiful out of them" was her quote in that cool little documentary. I agree with your general bent on his ego but boy you can't argue with his success on that album, assuming you agree he was the driving force in those sessions. Great video!
How appropriate the band named themselves Fleetwood Mac. The only members who survived all the lineup changes throughout the years were Mick FLEETWOOD and John MACvie....
This is obviously a brilliant album with great songs, but I have always felt that it's so immaculately crafted that it sucks a bit of the soul out of the art.That said , I really like it and feel a bit guilty being such a nit picker. Great analysis as usual.
The article referencing the differences between Christine McVie and Stevie Nicks voices was wrong if not wildly stupid. First off, I find a lot of the contemporary reviews of songs and groups that have since become iconic just ridiculous. I genuinely love the rumors album, though Fleetwood Mac does not rank in my top favorite bands. For me I frequently skip the songs which feature Christine. They seem pretty, but lacking in substance. The Stevie heavy songs are much more compelling and enjoy much greater longevity. That said, FOR THE RECORD, the best song on the album is Never Going Back Again. I don’t mind hearing the other songs, but never going back again is the only one I will intentionally go back and listen to. Anyway, great review, great content, and if I haven’t said it before you are just gorgeous. I watch for your insights finding you so pretty is just a perk.
got sidesteped didn't i, expecting dreams. i think dreams is a retort though 'well who am i to hold you down' and after the bloke has had his rant it's right that stevie has centre stage. i agree that go your own way is powerful in terms of songwriting and expressiveness, that corrosive first line. buckingham will often play with the downward stroke with the back of his fingernail? so that is going dictate how things are going to sound. seems like he would have liked to dominate the mac but the women were too good as songwriters, their abilities too exceptional. on the fleetwood drumming comment, self deprecation is refined to a fine art in england. a pinch of salt is handy. on the englishness thing, nancy: i'm from the north of england and we can be a little direct, our sense of humour a little bit sharp, no pretty sharp! personally i hope i've never overstepped the mark of politeness. small collisions, bumps, happen. love your channel, you're the boss.
I am so excited to get Stevie on the breakup leaderboard. I believe the woman will do well. I agree with your point that Buckingham would gladly have taken the reins entirely if given the opportunity, but the competition was too strong. I always appreciate a touch of self-deprecation. I think NZers have really mastered the art form (but we learned from the best, I suppose!) And I promise, Alan, you've never overstepped. Always enjoy your comments.
I'm sensing an anti-Lindsey bias in this video. Stevie is certainly no angel, watch them sing 'The Chain' at each other live or listen to 'Silver Springs' to hear her vitriol. She would not have been in the band if he hadn't insisted to Mick that she join the group along with him. And in the last iteration she would only tour with them if Lindsey was out (it took Mike Campbell and Neil Finn to replace him).
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What, in your opinion, is the best breakup song that rock 'n' roll has to offer?
for no one. by, hang on a minute the name is on the tip of my tongue: it'll come back to me
and in her eyes you see nothing
no sign of love behind the years
cried for no one
...he was in a band. what's 'is name.
Songbird (Christine McVie) must be one of the best. On the same album. How crazy is that?
And another birdy one ... Birds (Neil Young) is painfully beautiful.
Oh and ...
Nothing Compares 2U (Prince)
Band Of Gold (Freda Payne) ...
Sorry. You asked for one pick. I'd better stop there.
I had her. Phil Ochs. Totally callous. “I had her, I had her, she’s nothing…..”. Some might find that the best or the worst. Basically as polarizing as a breakup.
Lyle Lovett has a couple, both from the same record, and both with unique (and very different) takes on the subject:
She's Already Made Up Her Mind
So now she's sitting at one end of the kitchen table
And she is staring without an expression
And she is talking to me without moving her eyes
Because she's already made up her mind
She's Leaving Me Because She Really Wants To
She's leaving me
Because she really wants to
And she'll be happy when she's gone
She'll be happy
She'll be so very happy
She'll dance and sing
And even learn to fly
And spend her time with anyone but me
@@alanclayton9277 I think I've heard of them. They're ok.
To me this always had a Carol Kayne, Hal Blaine, Phil Spector sound and beat.
what a great explanation this was! And what a talent you are! Thank you Nancy!
I love the bassline to this song! One of my favorites to play. I love basslines that are restrained and then in the chorus just go off.
I'll admit I'm biased towards Lindsey, but I think his relentless pursuing of the perfect sound for each songs is a big part of the success of rumours.
I guess that by "making hits for her" he meant helping produce her songs.
Great video as always, I'm waiting to see who will win the break up haha
Love your show, love you and love your turntable. Listen to Jay and the Americans She Cried😢
Great topic. I really enjoy you’re videos. Your Chanel deserves a larger audience. I would like for my videos to be as organized as yours. I guess my brain just doesn’t work that way. 😀 ✌️
I can't believe it! A smart, intelligent, musician savvy reaction channel. Great breakdown! This IS my favorite breakup song. And the drum part has always been one of my favorites. Tried to get my drummer to do the same beat on one of my songs, he couldn't really nail it (damn).
Great analysis! A nice combo of musical erudition with (well deserved) fan-girl enthusiasm.
Will it Beatle?
1. Stevie Nicks once had a relationship with Derek Taylor and wrote 'beautiful child' about that
2. Fleetwood's drum groove is of course inspired by Ringo's 'Ticket to ride' and 'Tomorrow never knows'
I've watched several of your videos (the one about "And your bird can sing" just before)... I love your passion. Great work. You have a new follower.
i love your work, and learn lots from you in terms of songwriting. Thank you. 50 ways to leave your lover by Paul Simon gets my vote for best break up song. if not for the chord progression then for the fabulous lyrics. Go your own way is definitely a moving and unique rocker...
Still amazed to think that “Go Your Own Way” was FWM’s first top ten hit.
Overall, FWM individually and together are incredibly talented musicians, so perhaps the sound seems to neat and clean for some fans. I once heard a complaint about CSN (and sometimes Y) sounding too much like their recordings in concert.
Lindsey's vision that Mick speaks about is not just for his song - but for entire albums. Mick said they were lost in the studio w/o him. Christine called him her favorite producer. Lindsey was working in the studio long after everyone else went home or on vacation. He was the main arranger and producer for Rumours and every FM album when he was with the band. He's credited under the band name as Producer (until Mirage) but even Caillat - who still holds a grudge over Tusk - said Lindsey was the leader they all followed.
As for who won the break up musically - Lindsey can make his own songs to diss Stevie whereas Stevie needed Lindsey to make her lyrics and in her own words "skeletal melodies" into songs. Unlike Stevie he didn't complain about her lyrics even when they gave a self serving impression. So yeah, he did rise above. Meanwhile Stevie has been complaining about GYOW for over 40 years. She'd probably complain about 4 or so songs on Tusk if the album was more popular.
Stevie said she cheated 2 or 3 times on Lindsey and he always forgave her. Her objection was that she wasn't shacking up with other guys. Hair splitting. Though she was always shacking up/packing up with Lindsey. Stevie complained that Lindsey's songs were too self confessional while hers are more mysterious. Even after they broke up both said they were making Second Hand News booty calls. SHN is a tongue in cheek song about their continuing relationship - it's also self mocking humor which is something Stevie lacks in songs. It's silly but it's also adult and self aware.
Lindsey was a musician first who always wrote lyrics last but he evolved as a lyricist. Many of his lyrics on Tusk are sharp, witty and savagely to the point. By the 90s and 00s his writing became more poetic and overall he passed Stevie as a lyricist and song writer decades ago.
Stevie said she wrote Rhiannon as a mid tempo ballad. Lindsey made it into a rocker which she resented at the time. He composed musical parts for it - that iconic riff - and arranged and produced it. You think Rhiannon would have soared as much on Stevie slow plonking 3 piano chords? Listen to the dirge it's become - it's not nearly as compelling. Jimmy Iovine said when he became her producer for her first solo album that he had no idea the amount and breadth of work Lindsey did on her songs and the work he and others would have to do.
Derek Taylor is also who Stevie wrote Beautiful Child about when he ended their affair to go home back to his wife and six kids.
This is an excellent and comprehensive counterargument. Can you recommend any books or documentaries? I've been going by the VH1 documentary, and a well-researched episode of the You're Wrong About podcast, but I'll take any other suggestions you might have!
@@fathommusicnz It's predominately gleaned from hundreds of interviews over the decades. The online forum The Ledge used to have a great archive but some old articles are still up on FM websites and some on the Wayback Machine.
It helps to have read or watched older as well as newer because some band members change their stories A LOT. Stevie has at least a half a dozen versions for each story (some are pure self mythologizing - she was a cleaning lady for one week - and fired cause she was bad at it. Their producer Olsen said it was cheaper to have them move in) and Mick is almost as bad but they've all had different slants at different times. And I'm sure years of doing drugs and drinking didn't help with memories.
There sadly have been no great or even good books written about FM. Making Rumours by engineer/producer Caillet is probably the best of the lot but he fills it with too many stories about his sex life and some dirt on the band that may or may not be exaggerated or true - because he didn't get interviews with the band he promised to the publisher and was threatened to return his advance. So he beefed it up. He also did one on Tusk as well but it's shorter, sloppier and filled with his bitterness against Lindsey for denying Ken his Rumours 2. It also has more verifiable lies/mis-rememberences. Like Lindsey giving an emphatic speech on how they will not be making an album like The Eagles - The Long Run - which came out a a couple of weeks before Tusk was released... There's a contemporaneous Making of Tusk doc on YT but of course it was highly curated by the band - still you can see them working on music BTS and it shows some band dynamics.
The biographies are mostly cobbled rubbish taken from interviews and gossip rags but not first hand interviews. Even Mick's first auto bio was slagged by the entire band and Mick later admitted was filled with lies (even about his father) and that he was wasted when he co wrote it (with the same hack Stephen Davies who went on to write the Gold Dust Woman bio which gets Stevie's DOB wrong and it goes downhill from there).
Aside from Rumors and Tusk there is a hysterical video re-enactment of the making of Tango In The Night - which I can't find. It actually has a few facts right along with some doozies from Mick's book but overall the re-enactments with a bunch of bad actors playing to the rafters just makes me laugh. Salon did a great write up about the recording process of making Tango in 2017 for the deluxe release even if Richard Dashut severely underplays the effects of drugs and absenteeism b/c he's too nice to rake dirt.
www.salon.com/2017/04/02/he-could-be-brash-he-could-be-harsh-he-was-very-motivated-the-real-story-behind-fleetwood-macs-tango-in-the-night/
And all that may be way more than you asked for. 😁
The drum part is essential to this song, along with the chucking guitar meter.
i like going out of track listing order with these songs, not knowing what's coming next keeps things exciting! and my petty self LOVES Who Won The Breakup >:)
I know who I WANT to win, but as I'm assigning a score on the spot, I genuinely have no idea who will take home the hypothetical prize!
Thanks I enjoyed this video
well done
Who won the breakup between Lindsey and Stevie? Hands down, we the listeners. As difficult as it most certainly was for them on a personal level, it inspired so much fantastic, and enduring music.
This is by MILES their best song. Not even a footrace.
Best Break Up Song
Gene Pitney/24 Hours To Tulsa
apologies for double commenting but calling the radio station to beef after the DJ dismisses your venting-at-your-ex-girlfriend song is THE most lindsey buckingham thing i have ever heard. incredible, no notes
RIGHT?!
Lovely video and great analysis of the song. I respectfully disagree on the sequencing. As Lindsey Buckingham says in one of the clips, the sequencing is based on a back and forth narrative. Starting with two Lindsey songs breaks that.
That is a fantastic counter-argument, thank you.
Another excellent video 🎉 thank you 🤓
I think Ken Caillat's surname is pronounced Ka'lay? His daughter Colbie is definitely worth a listen, especially her first and latest albums.
Very fun, interesting video but you're a little off on what Lindsey does for Stevie's songs - he basically takes her demos and arranges / produces them. She admits as much in that 'Classic Albums' episode you are pulling clips from here. "Lindsay has a way of taking my songs and making something beautiful out of them" was her quote in that cool little documentary. I agree with your general bent on his ego but boy you can't argue with his success on that album, assuming you agree he was the driving force in those sessions. Great video!
How appropriate the band named themselves Fleetwood Mac. The only members who survived all the lineup changes throughout the years were Mick FLEETWOOD and John MACvie....
Ironically the band was named that by Peter Green, their original guitarist who left after the first album.
@@jasonyoung5628 After 4 albums...
BEATO! 😂😅😅
This is obviously a brilliant album with great songs, but I have always felt that it's so immaculately crafted that it sucks a bit of the soul out of the art.That said , I really like it and feel a bit guilty being such a nit picker. Great analysis as usual.
The article referencing the differences between Christine McVie and Stevie Nicks voices was wrong if not wildly stupid. First off, I find a lot of the contemporary reviews of songs and groups that have since become iconic just ridiculous. I genuinely love the rumors album, though Fleetwood Mac does not rank in my top favorite bands. For me I frequently skip the songs which feature Christine. They seem pretty, but lacking in substance. The Stevie heavy songs are much more compelling and enjoy much greater longevity. That said, FOR THE RECORD, the best song on the album is Never Going Back Again. I don’t mind hearing the other songs, but never going back again is the only one I will intentionally go back and listen to. Anyway, great review, great content, and if I haven’t said it before you are just gorgeous. I watch for your insights finding you so pretty is just a perk.
Fleetwood Mac......a fairly competent backing band for Stevie Nicks...
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got sidesteped didn't i, expecting dreams. i think dreams is a retort though 'well who am i to hold you down' and after the bloke has had his rant it's right that stevie has centre stage.
i agree that go your own way is powerful in terms of songwriting and expressiveness, that corrosive first line. buckingham will often play with the downward stroke with the back of his fingernail? so that is going dictate how things are going to sound. seems like he would have liked to dominate the mac but the women were too good as songwriters, their abilities too exceptional.
on the fleetwood drumming comment, self deprecation is refined to a fine art in england. a pinch of salt is handy.
on the englishness thing, nancy: i'm from the north of england and we can be a little direct, our sense of humour a little bit sharp, no pretty sharp! personally i hope i've never overstepped the mark of politeness. small collisions, bumps, happen. love your channel, you're the boss.
I am so excited to get Stevie on the breakup leaderboard. I believe the woman will do well. I agree with your point that Buckingham would gladly have taken the reins entirely if given the opportunity, but the competition was too strong.
I always appreciate a touch of self-deprecation. I think NZers have really mastered the art form (but
we learned from the best, I suppose!)
And I promise, Alan, you've never overstepped. Always enjoy your comments.
@@fathommusicnz I know you want people to respect each other and just engage with your channel in a joyful way.
I'm sensing an anti-Lindsey bias in this video. Stevie is certainly no angel, watch them sing 'The Chain' at each other live or listen to 'Silver Springs' to hear her vitriol.
She would not have been in the band if he hadn't insisted to Mick that she join the group along with him. And in the last iteration she would only tour with them if Lindsey was out (it took Mike Campbell and Neil Finn to replace him).