Comparing the 2 Best Walk Behind Mowers Ever! TORO Recycler vs Super Recycler - MainStreetMower
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- In the latest edition of Reviews with Main Street Mower, Chip takes on the most popular debate that every landscaper has had at least once in their lives. The TORO Recycler vs the Super Recycler.
Join us, as we compare these 2 mowers, and talk about their Features, Cut Quality, Warranties, Handles, Wheels and most importantly their relevance in your work.
Products in the Video:
- 22" (56cm) TORO Recycler Mower (21462)
A mower that adjusts to you, with no knobs, no levers, no messing around. Grab the easy-to-steer handle, engage, and go - with Personal Pace Auto-Drive™. The Vortex Technology™ provides an amped airflow that requires less energy to cut more grass into teeny-tiny, clumpless clippings.
- 21” (53 cm) Super Recycler Mower (21386)
This hungry herbivore is a wiz at helping protect the earth, reducing your water and fertilizer use with the Super Recycler®'s Cutting System. Superior mowing comfort with FLEX Handle™ suspension and hassle-free maintenance. Store your Toro practically anywhere in your garage or shed with SmartStow®.
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00:00 Video Introduction
00:37 22" Recycler Overview
03:31 21" Super Recycler Overview
05:21 Warranty Comparison
06:07 Cut Quality Comparison
07:21 Comparing Other Features
08:30 Final Thoughts/Conclusion
10:00 Thank You for Watching
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Excellent job of demonstrating features of those mowers. I have a 2008 Super Recycler with the Briggs engine. It still cranks on 1st or 2nd pull, does not smoke or use oil to speak of. IMO Toro makes the best mower for the homeowner hands down. I have to believe their commercial mowers are also extremely high quality. New subscriber.
Thanks Larry! And thanks for subscribing
Same here!
@@jeffmacdougall9190 Thank you Jeff. it means a lot to us.
Still got my 2009 first gen recyler 20332. Everything except the rear drive wheels are pretty much original. Save these engines they are hands down the best Briggs they put on Toro, the flat head refuses to die!
Newer models not as quality as before. You agree?
Thank you so much for this awesome explanation of the differences!
Glad it helped. Thank you for watching Mark 🙂
Thank you for this video. I own a 2005 Super Recycler w/ Briggs and Stratton engine that still runs but is being retired this year. I'll never own anything but a Toro!
That's awesome David. We hope your new mower is the best you've had so far
Great review! thanks for sharing!
Thank you Walter, we're glad you liked it
Excellent review. Just what I was after, a comparison. Will more than lightly go for a Super Recycler here in the UK. Thank you.
Great choice Peter. We're glad we were of help. Enjoy the Mow!
I have that Recycler, absolutely love it!!
That's great Eric. Thank you for sharing here
I have a Toro Super Recycler for 22 years and I cannot complain about it. It's the best cut quality mower I've ever owned, and I love the stripe it leaves on the lawn. Now I own the new Toro Recycler Max....and that one is another story I don't care to discuss....Sorry Toro.
Excellent review. Thanks
Thank you. We're glad you enjoyed it.
I've been debating gas vs electric and Honda vs Toro... I'm comfortable with small engine maintenance and my grass gets unruly so I decided on the Toro SR with a 190cc B&S, aluminum deck, updated curved handle and electric start. Coming from an older Honda HRR model, I never knew how good self-propel could be. The cut is excellent and I love the personal pace!
That's awesome. Thank you for sharing. Both the TORO and Honda mowers are industry leaders for push mowers. We totally understand how hard that decision might be. Good choice, though. The self=propel is definitely a deal sealer.
@@mainstreetmower far too much plastic on these mowers now plus that traction bar handle is trash tbh lol
This is a very helpful review.
Thank you. We're glad this was useful to you
I'm not a fan of chute blockers on push mowers. Better off with a mulch plug. Yes it's more money, takes a few seconds more to install and you can lose them, but the cut quality is way better with the plug. I find with the chute block door grass sits on the little ledge in front of it. Each time i turn around it drops a clump of grass on the ground. Don't have that problem with the mulch plug as it is moulded to the curve of the deck.
Great review and comparison , I love looking at new mowers for when the day comes . I still run my 2007 SR , Brigss 190cc , been flawless all these years , wish it would quit to give me an excuse to get a new one !!!! LOL The one thing that I have been eyeing on the Honda HRX217 is the ability to do both , mulch and bag at the same time , I wish Toro would have done something like this . If I use my bag , I'm emptying it every 5-6 passes on my lawn , so I full bore mulch now , but wish it was a 50/50 like the Honda . But most likely to get another Toro SR as I am so used to the personal pace .
haha. sounds like a legit excuse to us to get a new mower.Thank you for sharing.
Thanks and Blessings for a very thorough review! I am your newest subscriber.
Thank you for the subscribe tmaddrummer. We're glad you liked the video.
@@mainstreetmower if I was in your neck of the woods I’d be your customer.
@@tmaddrummer You just made our day Sir.
I have a 2007 Toro Super Recycler model 20056 still running fine and i do no maintenance on it. I only changed the oil 1 or 2 times in all these years. But after watching your excellent review I am temped to buy one of the 2023 models . I like the stand up feature and you do not have to change the oil at all. I made a video of my 2007 Toro if you would like to see it. Have a good rest of your week. 684 likes now and a new Sub.
Hey Gregory, love the fact that the Toro has worked great for you. However, please please please change your oil more often. It's great that it has lasted you this long, but you must do timely maintenance on it to get the best out of it's performance and years.
Here's a little video on oils, if you're interested: ruclips.net/video/078ZwQh2HmI/видео.html
What choices for blades do we have for the 21 Inch super recycler? I want to use whatever cuts the best. Thanks
Awesome Presentation !!!!
Thank you Ted.
Great video Toro has become a great mower company for pro's like me and homeowners 😇👍
Thank you for sharing Harry. We agree with your sentiments for TORO. What TORO machines do you operate?
Another great review, wish you guys were close I could use one of those mowers in the back 🤣
Thank you so much Jeromee. Despite of the distance between us, I hope the videos are of some help to you.
@@mainstreetmower The videos have been extremely helpful and it's a crime the RUclips algorithms haven't blessed you with more subs!
@@Jeromeeb We're Glad Jeromee. We're trying our best to reach more people on RUclips and we're sure we would manage that in some time. Meanwhile, please do consider liking this video and subscribe to channel, if you haven't done that already.
I have a old toro aluminum deck from the 80s/90’s and personally like being able to shift gears😂
haha that's fair. You like what you like.
I have a dumb (to most) question. I like to push my mower and use the drive when I need it (I'm old and need the exercise). Can you do that with the HRX21K6VKA or does it "click/cause issues"? I'm hoping this model will allow it. I believe it's belt-driven
Does this have a blade stop feature like the Honda has? As in if you release the handle does the mower keep running and the blade stops? I’ve been a Honda mower guy forever, and just heard they are ceasing production later this year. Being in the market for a new mower, I am considering Toro. They just don’t seem as well made as the Hondas though?
I’m looking for a gas powered rwd for steep hills and I’m 6’2”. What would you recommend? Budget is around $400.
THANKS FOR THIS INFORMATION
Thanks for watching
Nice review on the difference between the 2 mowers, Chip. I just bought a new model 21565 Super Recycler last Friday. It replaced my 12 YO Super Recycler with the Kohler engine. I haven't used it yet but plan on mowing on Wednesday for the first time. Quick question for you, Chip. How do you get the stupid mulching plug out? My old mower had a steel locking lever that you turned to release the plug. My new one has two plastic tabs and some type of clip. I've tried push in on the clip to see if that will release the plug. I've tried pulling on the 2 tabs. I've tried reaching in & pulling on the entire plug. Nothing seems to work and I don't want to pull any harder for fear of breaking the plug. The instructions (What a joke...) just say to remove the plug in order to bag. What am I doing wrong?
There is a release button to press down on the top left side of the plug, it does take a bit of pressure, especially if there is some grass clippings lodged around it
Great video. I have a 2013 Toro 22" with the Kohler 6.5. The problem is oil running is out of the casting after the engine gets warmed up on the lower-right-front of the engine block, ~1/2" behind and above the head gasket which has been replaced, and it is dust-dry above that. I don't want to deal with it anymore and will be traveling a lot. I want those at home to have something easy to start and use as this one has been. My issues with the new Toro mowers are:
1. No spin stop on the electric start models. Nobody wants to shut off the mower every time they pick up a stick or empty a bag, electric start or not. What happens in other than online videos is people sew a Velcro loop around the handle to keep the engine running while they pick up sticks and empty bags.
2. The Vortex seems like it would benefit mulching and reduce the effectiveness of bagging.
3. The Super Recycler with its kick-down baffles would seem to benefit mulching at the expense of bagging effectiveness. Bagging and bringing to the city yard waste is our game now after a couple years of seeing what mulching does to our grass.
4. No alternator to keep electric start batteries charged. There is a spinning flywheel with a magnet on it for ignition already. To add a low-output alternator with a controlled bleed circuit to control voltage would be trivial, inexpensive, and trouble-free.
5. Dropping the clean-out port. The alternative is flipping the mower and scraping and gouging up the bottom of the deck. Currently, we conveniently set it to mulch, hook up the the hose to a clean-out port, and let it run with the blade engaged for ~4 minutes after mowing, which removes all of the built up grass in all areas.
*Attempting to find a slightly older Toro in good shape on Craigslist is nearly impossible.
The old lawn boys with aluminum deck and a two strokes were kind of cool.
Sure were different and I like lime 🍋🟩 green.
Which, is REALLY better for mulching? I’m considering both.
I bought a 24 inch cub cadette push mower it is one of the best mowers out here it also is self perpelled
That's awesome. Thank you for sharing.
Exellent review❤
Thank you!
Comments about my Recycler mower:
I hate the curved auto-drive system. It introduces friction and makes for a bit of an unnatural wrist twisting motion if you are trying to get the mower to move quicker. The old linear action personal pace was a better design.
While the new wide square-edge wheels look really cool, the very square edges make gradual turns in the grass (where you are not lifting the front of the mower off the ground) more difficult than a rounded edge wheel because the squared edge is more "grabby" when it rubs sideways against the long blades of grass in front where it hasn't been cut yet. The back wheels are fine with this profile as they don't affect turning much and actually put more wheel surface on the ground to dissipate the weight of the mower over a larger area. This can help reduce some rutting in soggier conditions.
The new "Vortex" system may help with lower cutting as you said but on my cool season tall fescue/bluegrass lawn that gets cut between 3"- 4", it doesn't seem to make any difference.
Other than that it is a good mower though!
Thanks for the honest review
I own a Super recycler with the toro engine I have no complaints at all. The cut quality is very good.
That's awesome Johnnel. Thank you for sharing with us
@@mainstreetmower I just purchased a used toro recycler with push button start and the 190cc briggs engine. I plan to use it as my bag mower and the super recycler as my mulch mower.
@@johnnelwhite that's great. great addition to your mower lineup!
I'm getting a regular 22in. It's an upgrade from my old mower, and that thing lasted 10 years.
Awesome. We love to hear customers when they tell us hat their last machine lasted for that long. That's why we love dealing in Toro products. Hope you enjoy your new purchase.
Do you think they corrected the sputtering issue in the briggs on the super recycler? I'm on the fence on spending 700 if it's gonna have carb issues?? Thanks
@Jay Miller That’s a good question. After
not making any headway on the sputtering issue with Toro support I ended up just buying a replacement carburetor and installing it myself. My Super Recycler no longer sputters.
@@jg769 Well I just bought a Honda.. Didn't wanna chance it.. Super Recycler with a Honda would be awesome, not happening in 2022.. SUPPLY SHORTAGE THEY SAY
Even the Toro engines have that issue. They are Honda clones and with that comes a finicky carb.
are there oil drain plugs on bottom?
I’ve been a Honda owner for 20 years and just went to a Toro Super Recycler. I did get the all black Super Recycler with the Honda 160 engine.
My opinion the Super Recycler does a better job cutting than the HRX 217 plus the S.R. Is a much lighter machine and less cumbersome to maneuver.
We agree exactly, we are also a Honda dealer and think very highly of them. Honda are durable and reliable. Toro are durable and reliable as well but with a more enjoyable mowing experience
Gentlemen, question. I am in the country, using it for areas near my forest alongside my long driveway. Do I need to take every Little Rock and branch before using?
Nah it’s hearty, you can grind up some sticks, I wouldn’t hit rocks larger than a marble though
The fold up handle is important to me nice mower ,jimmy Australia
Thanks for sharing Jimmy
Have a 2012 toro 3 in 1 and that year there were 2 options: Honda engine or $100 less Briggs with cast from China. I got the cheaper one and it has run great BUT the deck is not level from the wheel settings. I had to add different amounts duct tape to each wheel to get it level. Then it cut great but should not have to do that. Otherwise, I’m very pleased with overall cut. Only wish it cut .75” if desired. The Honda did but $100 more for .5” wasn’t worth it back then.
Thanks for sharing Mark.
As far as engine reliability, which of the 2 is better?
It's unfortunate that the presenter constantly refers to the mowers as push mowers. They are not. These mowers are self-propelled, stand behind mowers. The push mower has no propulsion system other than the person walking behind the bar who must push it. Pushing the mower is the propulsion system. Where as the self-propelled mower has rear wheel or front wheel drive Wheels which propel the mower forward. Personal pace refers to how quickly the drive wheels turn thereby speeding up or slowing down the mower. Other than referring to the mowers incorrectly as push mowers, the reviewer actually did a fairly good job explaining the benefits and the features of the new mowers. I have owned Toro mowers for over 12 years and like the way that they cut the grass in terms of evenness, but the mower itself is filled with plastic parts that break. I like the ergonomics on the toro mowers as well. But Honda clearly has them beat with build quality and parts quality; many less plastic parts to break on a Honda mower.
It’s not that deep
@@cameronbeck3376 it's not a question of depth. It's a question of accurate verbal communications.
@@cameronbeck3376 and the feedback was designed to help you become more professional in your ability to articulate your position accurately. Set aside your foolish pride and accept what is obvious. Of course that takes humility and the intelligence to know the difference between them; foolish pride versus humility. And you are welcome for the feedback. Don't believe me? Why don't you talk to Toro and ask them if a push mower is the same as a self-propelled walk behind mower. I think they'll tell you the same thing.
We agree with the semantics, but you can hardly find a push mower without a self propel system anymore, this is really just the vernacular. When we say self propelled in the showroom many people look at us confused like we’re talking about commercial walk behinds, so the category of consumer walk begins has adopted the name push mower by the majority of America. Just like weed whacked (this was a brand name) for stringtrimmers
@@mainstreetmower what do you mean when you say, "... You can hardly find a push mower without a self propelled system anymore, this is really just the vernacular.". I think you're out in left field somewhere. You can buy a push mower anywhere without any self-propelled system whatsoever. Walmart, home Depot, Lowe's, and online just about at any store that sells lawn equipment. They're everywhere, common push mowers. I think you need a reality check it's more than vernacular, it's called an accurate description and evidently that's not within your ability to understand. People like you are the reason why RUclips has such a profound and commonplace reputation of the fact that anyone with any abilities can produce a RUclips video. There is no balance and check for quality control whatsoever, just anyone can talk and say anything they want, regardless of what's accurate. And it seems everywhere people are like you, too foolish and ignorant to take constructive feedback to improve the quality of your RUclips videos. A self-propelled mower is just that, a self-propelled mower. A push mower is just that, a mower that someone pushes. And they're sold everywhere, push mowers. You think I'm wrong? Why don't you contact a leading manufacturer of mowers and see what they have to say about the difference between a push mower and a self-propelled mower description, and whether or not they call a self propelled mower a push mower . And don't bother responding back to me anymore because I won't. I'm just wasting my time with another RUclips uneducated person that refuses to take any advice and will always stay uneducated as You are. It's just a waste of my time.
I have 3 older Toro Personal Pace models; 2002, 2005, & 2009. The '09 has the orig. Quantum & I have replaced the older mower Tecumseh's with a GCV160 & a Quantum. All are doing a great job after, come on now, a decade & more! I must admit I am not sold on the newer Briggs OHV's especially after B&S went bankrupt a few years ago. Might be fine; just dunno. But, man, those Quantums were/are rock solid.. I also have a few HRX217's that are great. Better than Toro? Maybe. But not by much.
You've got Toro's running for almost 2 decades! Thats awesome. Thank you so much for sharing. We're sure these insights would be helpful for all the viewers on this channel.
The 2009 quatums are absolutely the best Briggs engines, still have my 09 recyler. Probably well over 2k hours service and only just now using like an oz of oil every 5-10 hours. Other than that still solid
I just bought a model 21464, Toro 22 inch steel 150cc in upstate NY, thick, tends to be on the wet side, maybe 1/2 acre of lawn. This lawn mower is not able to get through a full mow without puttering out, have to clean out underneath and the mulcher. I think my lawn is way to much for this mower and ready to call in the warranty or send it back!
I have the black super recycler. I enjoy my Honda HRX more. Just a sturdier built machine. I don't understand why it comes with a mulch plug yet the lower end model has the built in handle. BTW the new black super recyclers with vortex are available Online.
That's awesome. Thank you for sharing Robbie.
I think a properly designed mulch plug will almost always provide a better airflow under the deck as it is built to mimic the existing contour of the underside of the deck. Most systems that use a built in handle are nothing more than a flat flap that opens and closes and gives up the benefit of the smooth airflow under the deck. Yes, the plug is a bit of an inconvenience but notice it's on a mower that is designed for people who want a nicer cut to their lawn ( better mulching , less clumps, etc).
@@mellowjammer I have both a Honda with built in and the Super Recycler with plug. The Hondas actually slides from the side and is curved to the shape of the deck just built in. I find the cut quality and suction in the Honda superior. The Toro built-in plug is in fact a lazily designed flat flap as u describe.
I was ready to buy the new black super recycler 21565 but noticed the front left wheel wasn't leveled properly. It would spin freely when all set at the same level and also some reviews mention the back wheels splitting after a few uses. That kinda threw me off and went Honda instead. Too bad as i had my mind set on the Toro as i do think the cut quality is one of the best. That said, love the Honda!
@@robbiegolding1831 Yes, Honda did the flap the right way as far as maintaining the deck shape for airflow. The only gripe I have about the Honda design is that even when the flap is closed (for mulching), grass still gets past it and packs up in the area behind it (on my HRX17, anyway).
Hi guys, I need your help. I have the new 21 inch super recycled and I want to attach an hour meter to the engine cover but I can't figure out how to remove the cover. I took out the 2 torx screws and removed the gas cap but something underneath the cover is still holding it on. I need to get the cover off so I can figure out where I can drill the 2 small holes without hitting anything underneath. Any help you can give me would be much appreciated.
There should be a third screw, holding the top cover on, it may be under a sticker. However, every hour meter on the market that I’m aware of picks up the electronic pulse of the engine and only has to be close by so it will work the same if you just attach it to the plastic.
@@mainstreetmower thank you, I will look over it again.
👍 great
Thank you Alessandro
Wish they still had the Spin-Stop.
5 years and I dont have to buy blades with that 5 year warranty ...I'll be there tomorrow to pick one up
Great. You know where to find us ☺
I just bought that model from home Depot and I 'm taking it back. Grass leaks our behind motor in front of grass catcher and settles on deck.
I am very sorry to hear that. Hope you can return it without any issue. Just for future references, never buy from big box stores. That's our ONE consistent advice if you watch our channel.
Big box store do not specials in lawn mowers and ends up becoming just another product at their huge stores. You do not have the personal touch of an employee to assist you, let alone answer your questions to help you make an informed purchase.
Toro still makes a Great mower but I prefer the older Toros made back in the 80's with the aluminum decks (steel decks rust too easy). Both my 35 year old aluminum deck Toros with the Suzuki motors still run Great and never let me down. Only parts that were changed was the worn out wheels. Maintenance is just change oil in the 4 stroke one, ( other is a 2 stroke) and clean the grass clippings from underneath.
I heard you give the model no. for the Recycler, but didn't catch the no. for the Super. What was the no. for this Super Recycler is it? And are they both electric start? Hey, Thanks. Dan
21” (53 cm) Super Recycler Mower (21386)
my old toro is 21 years old and i have not put a single part on it yet and its just now starting to wear out. It has started on the first pull everytime.
Perfect! We're glad it has served you well.
Just recently I purchased the Toro 22" AWD recycler I have been running a couple of different Honda self propelled for last 20 years .
I can not beleave how good the TORO is and regret not doing it earlier.
Best mower I have had too date.
What is the exact model of the black one?
That one is a 21” (53 cm) Super Recycler Mower (21386).
I see 21" mowers as the common size; what manufacturers are building 22" besides Toro? If it was a standard, I should see more of them around!
We know that yardmax and murray also make 22-in mowers. However, they are nowhere close to TORO in terms of quality and support, in our opinion.
In the market for a new Toro mower. What better the Recycler or the super recycler 60volt?
That's a great question Andrew. We can confirm that a 60V Recycler vs a 60V Super Recycler video is on our pipeline. We plan on dropping it soon on our channel. So, stay tuned and meanwhile, we hope you enjoy other content on this channel.
Hi Andrew, we're not sure if you're still in the market for a 60V. But, here's the video we romised. Check it out, hope it helps. ruclips.net/video/3smtse6QFIg/видео.html
Unless you plan to never let your grass get taller than 4 inches, DO NOT get the Recycler without the side discharge. Just don't do it. You'll regret it when the mower bogs down and dies every few seconds. If I could return mine and get back my rusted out 12 year old Toro, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
I got one of those
Awesome. Which one is it, the recycler or the super?
The 1 thing I've always hated about the Toros is the bag design. I have ripped so many bags on the nipples that stick out on the sides of the bag frame. If they would fix that they would have the best mower IMO.
Thats a great point Kenneth. We appreciate you sharing these practical experiences that would definitely help provide insight to the viewers of this channel
What? Littery grab the bag handle and lift up and out. It's not rocket science. Still got the OG bag from 2009
@@jmabs5096 Compare a HRX bag with a Toro bag and get back to me. Honda bag holds more and doesn't catch on the lawn bag and rip it.
@@kennethisaac3799 woudont know, never have I seen folks complain about ripping the toro bags
@@jmabs5096 I'm talking about ripping lawn bags not the Toro bag.
22 inch clogs up and engine is underpowered! I know I own one , junk, selling for a new husqvarna oh and rear wheels plug up with grass too
Does Toro have any more walk behind with Toro engines that's what I'm looking for
Sorry, but no. Unless you can find any old models, No walk behind in TORO's current Lineup has a TORO engine on it. I think thats because they are shifting their focus more towards their own battery. What do you think about it?
@@mainstreetmower Thank you very much that's what I thought I have an older model and I love the Toro engine on it seems like it never bogs down It's the super recycler Think it's the 159CC It's the 318 84 model
Ive had my recycler for 7 years. Ive done zero maintenance and it starts two pulls every year😂. Wish it had personal pace.
That's great to know. Thank you for sharing.
Chip. I have one of the vintage Snapper Hi-Vac push mowers that I always thought had a very awesome cut quality until my sister decided to purchase a Toro 20339 ReCycler which totally made a believer out of me regarding the Toro mowers.
Really I guess what I am leading into would be maybe a video suggestion of a comparison between the Toro ReCycler and a Snapper Hi-Vac with maybe even a Toro Super ReCycler thrown into the comparison comparing the Snapper Hi-Vac mower deck design vs the Toro mower deck design with even maybe a actual mowing demonstration.
Isn’t the current Snapper Commercial 21 inch basically the same exact mower deck as the vintage Snapper Hi-Vac mowers of the 1970s?
I will say that I have experimented with different mower blades on my Snapper and found that the standard blade performed probably the best as you would probably not be surprised to hear.
One blade that I decided to try was the Gator/Predator blade on my Snapper Hi-Vac which would maybe be comparable to the Atomic blade for the Toro ReCycler.
My only complaint against the Gator/Predator style mower blades would be that the serrated area of the blade gets pretty clogged with grass clippings in wet conditions as would be experienced more in early spring which sort of defeats the purpose of the design where the standard blade would be the way to go.
With that said, I think that the Atomic blades fared better with the wet conditions than the Gator/Predator mower blades seemed to do.
My vintage Snapper Hi-Vac allows me to achieve more RPMs as needed with the throttle cable whereas the newer design mowers have the fixed engine speed.
Thanks as Always For Your Great Videos.
Wow. That is such great info and insight. Thank you for sharing. The comparison video idea is great as well. We'll put this on our pipeline and see if we could get our hands on a Snapper. Thank you again. We're glad you're enjoying your ReCycler.
@@mainstreetmower Chip. I wish that I wasn’t so far away from you or I would loan you my old Snapper Hi-Vac that actually has the Gator/Predator blade that I was mentioning.
One unique fact about the Snapper blades was the fact that they were made like a channel that the blade adapter fit into which pretty much assured that the blade would not spin on the blade adapter, But you would know pretty quickly if your did not have the blade channel placed correctly onto the blade adapter.
One additional experiment that I tried with the Snapper blade was to purchase a blade with the pre-drilled holes in the top portion of the blade and to install the “Wings” that Snapper offered for even additional lift of the grass to be cut. This option was mostly utilized also for bagging in which the clippings were blown in the bag with more forceful action than the standard blade. The flatbread Briggs&Stratton engine was slightly underpowered in taller grass for this blade configuration to be totally effective.
The newer Snapper Commercial Hi-Vac should have the exact same 21 inch mower deck with a larger engine than my 3.5 hp flathead Briggs&Stratton engine. The original engines for the vintage Snapper Hi-Vac mowers were painted white with white wheels against the red mower deck - Much like Toro in that regard.
Honda push mowers with their unique blades seems to me as a knock off of the Snapper Ninja blades that have been around for a while.
Okay Chip, I will leave you alone now.
@@TheIronDuke502 Thank you so much for offering your snapper Sir. We really appreciate it.
I just wish I could get a Smartstow Super Recycler with the Honda engine.
You’re not alone, but the Honda engine is not designed to Smartstow. Being that Honda can’t keep up with demand of current engine models I don’t see a day where that is reality anytime soon.
The Honda Super will be very hard to find this year. I say go with Smartstow both Briggs engine options have been out for awhile and both have been extremely reliable
@@mainstreetmower I am sure I will. I want the new 21565 model unless someone talks me out of it. I am only on my second mower since I moved to Louisiana in 1999. Both have been cheap Troy Bilt models (the first one lasted till 2015) but both have had Honda engines that just kept running with minimal maintenance. My current Troy Bilt Honda) runs fine but I want to treat myself to a Super Recycler and I want Smartstow as Hurricane Ida blew my shed I kept my mower in away and I keep it in the garage now.
Model number 21386. Still available? You have any? The 2023 models not as good. You agree?
I do love the 21386, we have 3 left at our Ocala store only
What model number is that super recycler mower? I believe the one you have there is not available anymore. The new handle bar looks awful
I'm glad they are happy with that vortex hole in the deck, Because the last model couldn't even get dead grass in the bag without plugging up every 3 steps. Maybe the side discharge contraption will make it usable. Model 21321 is the worst new mower I've ever owned.
After 20 years of having my Toro recycler... They didn't have anymore until 2023 due to trade issues. Got a crapsman instead. What a waste. I've never seen so much plastic on a mower. Toro starting with plastic, but not full plastic front ends. Don't stop Toro. I love my exmark, and understand that Toro is the test brand now. I can see the vortex technology catching on. Anything with more ports for air, better. I might have to invest in a Honda if they don't restock or ship these.
We're sorry to hear that. We hope those toro's become available near you soon. Thank you for sharing.
Honda hrx 217 is the best walk behind lawn mower
Oooh that's a big category with some big players. I dont know if they're the best (personal opinion) but they're definitely up there.
Here's my tip. Do not EVER buy a mower without a discharge option. It just plain doesn't work in less than perfect conditions.
I had a 12 year old Toro that was rusted out, beat up and still cut through tall gas like butter. We moved to a bigger property (2 acres), and I wanted a bigger deck. I mainly use it to trim around the house and then use my riding mower for the rest of the property. I bought this mower last Fall and just used it for the first time last weekend for my first Spring cut. The grass was a little taller than usual, and this thing bogged down constantly and kept dying trying to chew threw and mulch the grass. I'm INCREDIBLY disappointed with my purchase, but it's too late for a return to the big orange store I bought it from. Toro really made a stupid mistake removing the side discharge option. Did they really think no one would ever need to cut tall grass? It's mind-numbingly stupid, and now I'm stuck with a $500 machine that won't do what my 12-year old beater could do. And to make matters even more frustrating, Toro apparently doesn't even offer a rear discharge chute as an after-market accessory like other brands. So I'm just stuck. This will be the last Toro I buy. So dumb.
UPDATE: I found a post from Toro on another video where they explained that a free rear discharge chute is offered to customers who register their mower. I just did that and ordered the chute. It says it will take 3-4 weeks to arrive. So I'm basically stuck with a stalling mower for most of the Spring mowing season. Their explanation for not including the chute in the box is that they're promoting mulching for the benefit of your lawn. Uh... yeah. Sure. Also, they make more profit by not shipping with the chute, and they figure most people won't bother registering. Profit over customers. Got it. I'll think twice before buying another Toro.
@@McScott76 with the price of higher end mowers ,who wouldn’t register their mowers these days or expensive items ,companies bank on people not taking the time to look at warranties and free items .
Sorry to hear this but your experience is very helpful to me. I am going to go with the HRX. I have 1.34 acres and the grass is tall. Cant have it bogging down etc.
@@LK-bz9sk nothing wrong with the Toro,once a side chute is put in place,comes free upon request
@@navydad8916 You're right about that nothings wrong with a Toro but for the price of it that chute should come with the mower. Better yet why did Toro get rid of the side chute. Ok to mulch if you got a small lawn in town but here in the Country I got a great big lawn and in 30 years have always used the side chute. No mulching or rear bagging for me. Also I have a habit of letting my lawn get really long. Don't always have the time so every 2 weeks is the nom for me.
I plan on buying a new mower. My lowes ninety-nine dollar mower gave up some plastic internal parts after 31 years of service. I find it comical to believe a mower should only last 55 mowes or 4 yrs...lol
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Why do theses not change the oil? I assume they are burning it but why design that in a 4 stroke. How often are you topping it off? And does this smell horrible as you use the mower?
We don’t recommend the “no oil change”thing. We’ve seen for years little engines like these go totally neglected for a decade or so without an oil change and not have a problem. Briggs and Stratton is just the first manufacturer to promote it. It will consume a very small amount of oil, just like all the others, so as long as you are topping it off everything will be okay for awhile. We recommend changing your oil every year, even with this engine
@@mainstreetmower thanks!
@@LedMV007 Enjoy the mow!
I still think the John Deere SB14 was the best mower ever made.
That's very interesting. We would love to know what makes the SB14 your fav pick?
Curt is 100% correct...the John Deere 14SB/JX75 were the best mowers ever built and 20yrs later out perform and will likely outlast that Toro SR. What makes them so superior? 1. Engine: Kawasaki 150cc pressurized oil (oil filter capable) OHV (5-6hp depending on yr). Powerful, reliable, fuel efficient, manual choke/throttle, light weight 2. 5 speed tuff-torque transmission - way beefier than homeowner Toro's. Simple bail system to operate - Personal Pace too much plastic, one only has to look at the top Exmark/Toro commercial units-they don't rely on PP, if it was better/more durable they would - they use the simple, rugged bail handle 3. Commercial quality Blade Brake Clutch, mower stays running while blade stops 4. Thick cast aluminum deck with excellent vacuum 5. Grease nipples on rear drive wheels 6. Standardized wheels that are interchangeable with drive gear allows you to rotate front to back and replace more easily (note: IMHO plastic wheels are the weak spot of this mower-even still they have bearings) 7. Dual bolted on heavy duty blade. This blade is easily 1.5x the heft of lesser 'homeowner' units. Lots of material to sharpen yr after yr, plus eats up branches and not easily damaged while giving THE BEST cut I have experienced 8. Large capacity bag that has a sturdy frame, allows great airflow, stays attached when using easily unhooked when emptying 9. Mulch plug or side discharge chute available as options to bagging 10. I have 4 units ranging between 20 & 30yrs old still going strong and outperforming $1000 homeowner and $3000 commercial Toro/Exmark units - which are the only other mower I would consider after the JD's...Honda a distant 3rd (not a fan of Honda small engines)
There's a very strong following and community for these old Deere's...just don't fall for the later Big Box steel deck units...ONLY buy the aluminum deck models with the 14SB and early JX75/JX85 being the very best units IMO...cheers!
I have 3 1996 14SB's that are still going strong. I really like the sturdiness. Everything about these mowers are well designed and built to last. Excellent engines. Quick governor. Very smooth. Adjustable throttle and manual choke. They handle well too. Nice and compact. Nice adjustable handle bars. Heavy aluminum deck. Self propel is smooth and disengages instantly for backing up quickly. Bagging is the best I've seen. Mulching is good but not anything special with the stock blade. I almost feel sorry for anyone who hasn't operated one of these. I honestly don't know what to replace one with. Maybe a Toro 22298? Although I haven't seen the drive system in those yet.
@@curtvote1099 once again I agree with your post...that Toro 22298 is $3k Canadian and about the same specs/price as the Exmark Commercial X-Series (which I also have and don't use!) I don't use it because it is much heavier...keep those old Deere's running!
How about electric mower comparison
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If it's self-propelled it's not a push mower.
Agreed
I had the choice between a Honda and the all wheel drive toro.figured all the grass cutters in my area use toro and have no issues they told me.i asked about the Honda they laughed at me said those aren't as good I never seen professionals using hondas all toros briggs engine to me is better then Honda
Both are great machines, thanks for watching!
I guess they discontinued the Toro engine. And won’t that Vortex technology in dusty conditions just blow dust everywhere
I just don't understand why downgrade from 22" to 21"... and why the next step up goes to a 30" timemaster. 🤯 Toro should make something in between 22" - 30". I would love to get the job done with less passes. Need to make a 24" - 26" mower.....which would be ideal for a typical suburban backyard. Come on Toro.....do better.
The super recycler is 21” because that deck size has near perfect suction/cut. If you pass into 24 or 26 you need a much larger engine or double blades, and in either case a much heavier duty frame. All of these changes will double the cost, most people want more than 3” for double the price. Toro has competition and if it made sense it would exist. If 21” is too small, you have a killer option…. 30” TimeMaster, thank you Toro for giving this option to the world!
Time stamp @2:19 .. why you're al here
A lawn mower that he states last a long time 5 maybe 10 years you can tell he’s a kid I have a snowblower from 79 runs great now that’s a long time that’s what I consider lasting a long time it’s sad
I look forward to the fortune I'm going to make working on these. The personal pace is garbage. Go find a 5-7 yr old snapper with a Kawasaki or Honda commercial. They'll last longer and give you less problems than either of these Toro's.
No side throw?! Deal breaker.
"People aren't using them." If Toro is really so stupid as to think that someone buys a $500 mower and doesn't ever plan to need a side discharge, they need to fire their product development team. Even if I only have to use it a couple times a year, it's INCREDIBLY frustrating to not be able to cut tall grass without the stupid mower bogging down and stalling every few seconds. This all about forcing people to pay more for the "Super" model. Such a scam. I will never buy a Toro again.
Me ltomoverr and 😐 do two
So own the 22” recycler and do not recommend it. After one year the deck is rusting and both wheels have been replaced. It’s not well built and will just fall apart pretty much after warranty is up. Spend the extra money and get a Honda or the rust proof toro.
The Recycler isn’t for everybody. The Super Recycler is definitely worth it
Stop with the ' I heve a toro from 1907 ... '
The newest are nothing like the old Toros . We use the 21565 ... 3 years old ... just blew up the motor, something in the vale train ... 3 sets of wheels... traction cable ... carburetor ... My biggest complaint is the sheer stupidity you get for the money you pay. A handle not adjustable.. wheels that break ... a pain in the ask gass tank, that overflows into the $$ air filter that falls off. Most of all a; simple rachet mechanism was left out of the drive line . this would have made backing up easier.
Why would you store a gas engine on end? It can’t be good for the engine
This Briggs and Stratton is designed to stand vertically without any leaks, we’ve sold hundreds without ever seeing a problem
Where is the Honda Hrx217? That’s one of the best mowers ever!
We will check it out. Thank you for sharing.
Toro junkbox
I purchased one, highly disappointed in the mowers ability, the bag will fill half way before is needs to be emptied. It mulches okay, my older recycler worked much better. Do yourself a favour, spend a few more dollars and buy a Honda mower.
These are not Hondas?
Sorry but No.
I'm so disappointed with my recycler. Here in England it's just rubbish. The collector bag is holed already which I'm surprised about as the grass has to travel through what only can be described as a pin hole to get to the bag. Recycling is a joke. It clumps grass, the wheels leave grass everywhere and the briggs engine is strong enough as it stops all the time. Not for me this mower. I've had cheaper and better
The regular Recycler is trash. Super Recycler, on the other hand, is an excellent machine and a great value for the quality you get.
Thank you for sharing your input. Is there anything specific that makes you feel that way about the Recyclers?
@@mainstreetmower Do some mowing with the Recycler and then try the Super. The difference in materials, cut quality, mulching ability, maneuverability, balance, and overall feeling of solidity will be obvious. And given the cheap plastic wheels, plastic transmission, and steel deck of the Recycler, it can’t compete with the Super on durability/longevity.
@@b286guy Great points.
The regular recycler was a great mower for the average homeowner who did not require a golf course quality cut. For the money you got a decent mower that was reliable as long as you did the most basic of maintenance. I see more of these mowers in use today than any other brand out there. No reason you could not get 10+ years out of one of these for a very modest price. If your lawn is your pride & joy then yes, you can spend more for a better machine.
@@mellowjammer Very well said. We agree with the excellent points made here.
Fake news! Honda HRX 217HYA 200cc with hydrostatic transmission is better than one of these 💥💪😉
I have a non-hydrostatic 190cc HRX 217 and my 1991 Toro Recycler with commercial Suzuki 2-cycle mulches far better than my Honda.
@@WisconsinEric 2005 Toro SR4 here. 190cc briggs quantum. BBC deleted.
Thank you for sharing your input.
I was on the buisness for 16 years never used nothing but briggs cut about 45 grasses a week never had issues with engine I have never saw any grass rats in my area using Hondas.all of them used briggs toro nothing off brand lol
@@WisconsinEricI don’t know about that since Honda made lawnmowers they were number one that dual blade design is hard to beat hence why the United States wants to ban them American companies can’t compete
Which, is REALLY better for mulching? I’m considering both.