Onwards, To Tuliyollal! - Dawntrail MSQ - Day 1 [Level 90 SPOILERS]
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Not all three are adopted, Zoraal Ja is his bio son.
They say that but there is no mom and they specifically mention that two heads normally can’t have kids
@@csrjjsmpthat’s why he’s called “the resilient son”
@@csrjjsmp The Miracle!
@@csrjjsmp almost like the origin of zoraal ja and gulool ja was kept intentionally vague
@@csrjjsmp Most characters doesn't have parents, for instance you've never seen Thancred, Urianger & Y'stolas parents.
Koana's voice actor is the goat so far.
There were a lot of good cutscenes that were oddly not voiced at all. I noticed that a lot in my playthrough of Dawntrail.
its crazy to me that they STILL not VA the full msq in 2024
@@FragmentedTV I kinda get not voicing the smaller obviously emote-animation cutscenes but there were some full on large cutscenes that were motion-capped and everything that still weren't voiced. Makes me wonder if they were short on time on the VA work that they decided to leave those scenes unvoiced.
@@FragmentedTVNeeding to package 4 entire sets of VA would make the file size *astronomical*.
@@FragmentedTV thank god for that, not all of it must be VA
Did anyone else feel like Y'shtola's lines sounded low quality? For me they sounded compressed like they didn't have the settings configured correctly for the one day in the booth (or was a in-home booth).
A big reason for the scion's presence is entirely pragmatic: Allies for Duty Support/Trust. Now that the devs are offering an entirely single player experience for MSQ, they need an active cast with enough characters to accommodate a 4 person party with the player as any of the three roles.
Alphinaud and Alisae are straight up just warm bodies being lugged around by the narrative in case they're needed, be it as healers or DPS for the dungeons, or as extras and stagehands in Wuk Lamat, Krile, and Erenville's story.
Yea the Twins essentially just exist for practicality, which is really a shame. I think Thancred and Urianger are fine in their storylines with Koana. The question will just be what post-patch content looks like.
You'll also notice that they are there to give the narrative a way out for you to not have to do an entire fetch quest by yourself. The NPC will still ask for 2-3 items and you'll take one while the scions scurry off to handle the other items off-screen
Azem can just summon 3 dudes with his plot rock instead of 7.
in ARR Duty Support, you literally summon B Plot characters to run dungeons with you. no reason to blame the bad writing on that.
Alisaie basically was there remind us Wuk Lamat likes being called llama tea.
The graphic update has me totally blown away, even doing dailys I keep getting surprised by places I haven't seen in a while.
To your Scion and G'raha points. They *might* be more expensive given their reputation now. But the translation is across multiple languages. For example many of the Japanese VA's were famous for their work well before they started FFXIV. Yoshi-P is a well proven producer at this point, so I'm sure he considers these kinds of costs. I'm just not sure that's going to be a large part of why the Scions tag along without much of a part to play early on.
It felt more like they needed the scions there to fill our the trusts for dungeons.
I thought the same thing for dungeons. Why is everyone showing up all at once here? Then I was like "ooohhh, I'm about to unlock a dungeon aren't I?"
That comment about Yoshi p talking about how they will pick up on what people like and move in that direction was comforting to hear, until realizing my actual problems with the story was less about the subjects of focus and more about the actual writing and pacing itself. Or just.. general decisions made in how they were presenting the story. In some areas it felt like we really went back to ARR's Errend Boy structure with Stormblood's moralism.
Okay it's not just me then. I thought they overdid the vomiting. It's like yeah sure you can address it, sea sickness makes sense. And we even had the aether-sickness scene in EW and that was totally fine. But after the 3rd time she started wretching I was like okay let's move on lol.
Yuffie in Rebirth has motion sickness too and is a co start gag but it’s done way better.
The cynical side of me feels like it's bolted on so people can point at it as a character flaw to deflect claims of Mary Sue
The vomitting thing might be more believable if it were there in 6.55 but she showed no signs of boat-phobia when we sailed out to the Isle of Haam and back. So it feels like something that may have been tacked on at a later draft of the 7.0 story to add more comic relief.
@@AtromnisShe's depicted as physically weaker and less confident than all three of her opponents, wtf does "mary sue" even mean anymore
@@gloomy_gus it means any prominent female character that isn't overtly sexualized apparently, woke lamat indeed 😢
2 notes:
- the one headed lizard is actually son of the king
- Wuk Lamat is little more than a sheltered princess. She was in the festival when she was very little.
And they actually say it, i believe, she actually admits, that living in Tural her all life didnt teach her much about the people she wants to protect.
And yes, the VA is fine.
The subjectivity of these type of things lead people to some very edgy opinions 😂.
Ah...The internet....
Still, I'll wait for you to keep going and giving your opinion, because there are issues in the story and also, story "adjacent".
I honestly thought Wuk's VA was fine until *that* scene in at the end. You likely know which one I was talking about. They flubbed that one quite badly
@@jorntumrongwit9056 well... yeah, but it's far for being bad...VA keeps an effort with the accent and the character mannerisms and there are a few hiccups here and there but I think she stays in character pretty nicely 🙂
@@jorntumrongwit9056I think the problem is that she isn't recording her lines with the other actors. It really goes a long way to have an entire cast together when recording voice lines, especially in a narrative based story like FFXIV.
"And yes, the VA is fine" I diagree. The voice actor for Wuk does not know how to shout or how to properly convey anger, despair or rage, which is unfit for portraying a character who is a warrior. If there is any tension, the voice actor does just normal talking voice with slightly elevated volume, if at all. Her "Nooooo!" during the reveal of who her father is is so pathetic, it sounds more like she was annoyed than being shocked or afraid of losing her father. If there is a character far away, Wuk's voice actor does not shout as if shouting across the room, it's just normal pleasant talking voice. When it's just about rainbow happy feelings the VA is ok, but if it comes to most serious situations - No!
@@kyoai well, you are free to disagree, ofc, but I don't see it (or listen) the same way.
Spoilers are a bigger no here so I won't give you much of an answer except that, in the particular situation you've talked about(and everything that happens around it), the blame falls a lot on the text itself than on the VA. She actually does a lot with a very bland text, given the events.
But again, you are free to disagree 🤷
The VA costs theory wouldn't make sense cause the main focus has always been the japanese market where they use japanese voice actors that are paid more than their western counterparts
Its the main one though - a lot of people think that. It has been a theme on twitter at least since 6.x
Like the amount voiced and what is voiced - I guess with XIV is taking the four main languages into consideration but I still think even with the JP availability the story is never going to be controlled by who is free. But happy to be disproven if someone comes out and confirms it.
I think you may have a point about the VAs cost cutting measures. While the English VAs are beloved and been a part of FF14 since HW for most of us, I guess they'd have to pay that amount x the number of local translations so wouldn't be surprised if they are trying to cut back on those or get new VA to do the heavy lifting. While Wut Lumat does do a passable job of being an okay character at the start, I think main issues I personally had with them comes much later. I think the core strength of FF14 is that there is time to improve characters. Like most people I hated Alphi and Tataru going into HW but now consider them top tier characters, sadly if I had to rank Wut at the end of this expansion they would be in the lowest tier or I might have to create a new one just for them.
Sooooo happy to see these ❤️ thanks so much for sharing your thoughts
I think it makes a lot of sense to have the Scions step back early on and I do think they almost justify them coming along for Duty Support, although they do certainly add quite a bit in their mentor roles despite not being as prominent at the outset. With G'raha specifically, they've talked in the past about how Jonathan Bailey was eager to come in after-hours to record for EW even though he was working on Bridgerton. However, the character is basically at the forefront of the last two expansions and it feels right for him to step back briefly, while also allowing him to give Krile the chance to step away from the Students to pursue her own character development.
Interestingly I spoke with localisation lead Kate Cwynar about this and she said she was actually surprised that so many existing characters were coming along in Dawntrail and that she had initially wanted there to be fewer existing characters. It's nice to have a little familiarity, however, so I'm glad we brought the twins along even if they're a little less prominent so far.
In this situation the woke discussion is a massive time vampire and distraction from talking about legitimate problems and doesn't deserve the air it consumes coming from a few loud idiots.
100% agreed. There’s a lot of people making bad faith arguments when I want to talk about the actual issues with this expansion 😅
@@HealingBlight amen to that. And there are issues with the story, the pacing (as usual), with the quests, the expansion is nice but there are plenty of issues, none of those has anything to do with Wuk Lamat VA
Yeah anyone talking about that is a mouth breather that is ignoring actual real writing issues that have taken the state of FFXIV and kicked it backwards in time. If the writing was solid and more thought out, everything else would have been fine. Even the people who take issue, myself included, with the delivery of some lines by Wuk where she has to be more aggressive or commanding sounding.. it would have been fine had scenes be WRITTEN differently to avoid highlighting VA weaknesses. Because there are many other moments where she shines.
I was really looking forward to these writers being that of the Dwarf/Pixie quests and Sorrows of Werylt, but it seems they only really excel in smaller straight forward stories. I'd want to give them a chance to grow as writers, but NOT at the detriment of a whole expansion. Dawntrail ends up feeling like a saturday morning cheap shonen anime purely focused on Wuk Lamat. I have no problem not being the center of attention, but she seriously gets 80% of screentime. Way too oversaturated.
At the second part of msq some of Wuk Lamat lines sounded like VA or localization director had no idea whats happening in the game at the moment
Alphi's VA mentioned somewhere that they are often not shown scenes from the game to which they can react to in the moment when voice acting. It could be that there are multiple teams dealing with different VAs, in which case there could be a discrepancy in how certain scenes are being described by the directors. I felt that Wuk's VA felt flat quite often when it came to tense moments and where a range of emotions should've been displayed.
@@xTyith97 it normal for record voice and not know anything
it for voice director job to direct them
@@warm-heartedreaction6191 should be clarified that it's only considered normal in video game VA work, for some reason. In pretty much every other medium, refusing to give the VA context around what's happening in the scene is rightfully seen as absurd. I don't know how it became the norm in gaming to refuse to tell the VA what action they're voicing, but it is.
@@xTyith97 To add to this, Colin actually said they got to see the whole script for Dawntrail this time.
It's clear the VA does not have a lot of range in her voice. Like an amateur va and looking at their past work they are only ok at putting on a voice without any real emotion behind it.
The thing with Wuk Lamat is she is a sheltered princess who never really needed to grow up. She knew of the other cultures only through the stories about her father's trials and celebrated the Hanu-Hanu's festival once when she was a young child. So she is essentially a child seeing the real world for the first time (like a sheltered kid leaving their parents for the first time when they go to Uni) and is growing up as she learns the reality of the rest of Tural. The constant vomiting thing was kind of annoying, but beyond that she is better than Lyse was in StB, as she does not have the experience that Lyse did. As for it mostly being world building and defining the cultures of Tural over much action, I am more than fine with it. I am an Archaeologist/Anthropologist IRL with a PhD in the subject, learning about new cultures and the intricacies of how they operate their day-to-day lives are right up my alley.
Gulool Ja Ja was instantly likable. The guy is a chad.
As someone, who liked the tonberries and Wanderer's Palace dungeon... its surprising you didnt remember the Mamool Ja, that have taken controll over the palace when you go there in hard mode - you even meet your first two-headed mamool ja...
17:00 --- Wrong. When you're a tourist going to a festival... you get nothing of the culture. You can pretend to learn but you barely scratch the surface. Also, Wuk Lamat is the princess of this nation and in the company of her father, what she gets to see it not only just said surface but people wont just approach her. They wont greet her in their costum way, they greet her in her way, after all, they dont want to make her feel out of place or anything. When you visit another country, unless you live there, you dont know it. Period. So Wuk Lamat not knowing the various costums of her future subjects doesnt strike me as odd. It would've surprised me if she had known.
26:55 --- I noticed that, too, the lack of voiced cutscenes. There were many instances where the characters would discuss important point relevant to the story without being voiced...
I had to think about Lyse, too, when seeing Wuk Lamat. They fulfull the same role: being the center character of the story (hell, Lyse featured on the SB logo!) with the WoL and by extension the Scions taking a back seat. I have taken my sweet time with MSQ, I just finished yesterday. I did all side quests and some fates, to get faster mount speed (a blessing, if you ask me), as well as getting the aetherial currents for flying. Taking it slow like that you have time to let the story sink in and think differently about stuff than you did initially.
When you visit Hawaii, the first thing you learn from the locals is the shaka. When Nixon first visited China back in the 70's, they were serving Chinese food, not Western food. I don't know where you get the notion that a relatively isolated culture will bend to an outsiders culture during their festival. Thats like China putting up Christmas trees during their lunar new year just because POTUS is visiting.
@@athras8822 Thats not what I meant, though I can see I didnt phrase it properly (hell, my comment was long enough...). I spoke of going to a country as a tourist on vacation as opposed to going there to live and work. In case of the later, if you mingle with the locals and learn their language, then you also learn their culture, their traditions. You learn whats going on behind the facade (to a certain degree, of course). As a tourist or a visitor of state, sorry, no, you are shown a shiny surface, get some exotic food and then you go home thinking how cool it all was. But unless you actually live there, for at least five or ten years, I dont think you can come to know a foreign culture.
@@markup6394 I was referring to your comment about them not greeting her in their own customs. There's no way during a traditional festival they won't greet her with Ohokily at least a hundred times, just like how when you visit Hawaii, there will be about 100 shakas thrown at you.
One thing I might add about your voice actor point, odds are they are more concerned with the Japanese actors first and foremost, Urianger even gets a visual gag in a shadowbringers cutscene based on the fact that his voice actor was in Yu-gi-oh. While 14 is probably one of the better localised games and production is tied quite tightly to considerations for localisation, I still do not think the price of the English VAs would weigh heavily on the script writing decision.
The graphics update especially on PS5 from the moment i logged in blew me away.
Well, frustration is also an emotion. i can imagine that quite a few emotional vampires that got frustrated with the DT MSQ would also want to see that from their favorite reactors as they go along their MSQ journey.
Lol yeah, we're entering a bit of a dark side
Curious how you'll feel about the story by the end. I liked and enjoyed some parts but was also underwhelmed in other areas. Wuk Lamat works for me really well at the beginning but I think she was used way too much in the later half of the story. Other characters didn't get to shine as much. I liked Tural but it really didn't feel like a vacation at all lol
I think they should have included way more gameplay in this MSQ than the previous ones. With a slower story there should have been something to carry your interest forward. Until this point, it was the momentum they have built with the MSQ and the 10+ years of story telling. You can't relay on that anymore, yet we get an MSQ that is the same ammount of cutsceens as EW? Even in the first 2 zones there were opportunities to have some minigames or solo duties, yet we just read on.
And as we read on.... Why? Where is the voice acting? This was a issue I had with the whole MSQ, but especially noticable at the start. It felt like a lot of cutsceen that should have been, were not voiced for some reason.
I play MSQ in segments and always have, I play until I unlock a dungeon/trial, then take a break and do crafters, gatherers, fates, aether currents, and other stuff. I'll pick up the MSQ a day or so later. Taking it in breaks or taking your time through it makes it enjoyable for me. I like Wuk Lamat, she's such a sweet character, I hadn't seen anything about her voice actor until this video, but I would agree with you about her weaknesses. They hammed them up a bit, but I thought it was an effort to make her relatable to the average person. Like she's not a leader, she hasn't got the promotion, she's super normal and is trying to beat these guys that are seen as so much better than her.
A couple of my bigger gripes with the writing.
1) they over indulged themselves in trying to adapt real worls culture into FFXIV, which led to over explaining and taking away from the story or character interactions.
2) Wuk Lamat ALWAYS insists that the WoL accompany her on mundane things, when that time could have been spent interacting with other characters besidez Wuk Lamat.
3) way to much Telling and not enough Showing in the script.
I can maybe agree with the first two, but that last one absolutely drives me nuts in this whole discourse. There is plenty of showing - people just don't pay attention, as evidenced in these comments. How Preach instantly doesn't get that Wuk Lamat is a sheltered princess that hasn't really stepped outside her capital is beyond me, and all of that IS SHOWN, it's just a question of whether the streamer is able to have some time to reflect what they just saw instead of needing to constantly talk and entertain the audience. And wait til' we get to Zoraal Ja and his motivations... it's clear so many players didn't pay attention and needed someone to spell him out for them.
I could perhaps agree that some of the telling seems redundant and too often - and even then, in the case of Wuk Lamat's repeated catchphrases, it's a tell that she is just horribly insecure and trying to fake courage and confidence. But then, when I thought "Wuk Lamat is being annoying with constantly stating what she wants to think", I didn't just stop there and feel annoyed, but I thought for just a minute to figure out WHY she is being annoying and WHY she constantly states what she wants to think, believe, do. Seems like most players just stopped at "she's annoying" and didn't bother to consider why the writers want them to feel that way.
1) when they don't, sometimes people feel left out and they've commented on this before. They really take it seriously to introduce things that have similarities to real life cultures.
2) so there wasn't enough fan service of you talking with erenville so the story is bad
3) valid criticism of the writing, lots of linear dialogue catch ups for some things, though often it seems they were doing that to not overdo some tropes they've done in the past, like having to get someones gear out of a chest when we save them from being imprisoned as an very light and irrelevant example. Simple things that don't really need to be shown. But I do agree there's still more telling than showing in some instances that hurts the story.
@Disconnected66 I never said the story was bad. Wuk Lamat also makes the WoL the 3rd wheel on a number of occasions. The game often has the party split up and there are so many times when I'd rather be with the other group. The scions that go with you basically don't matter in act 1.
And I liked the story. But there is just so much tedium written into the story that it drags a lot of the experience down.
I disagree with the first point. What you said for 3 is the reason why it sucks. They absolutely could have pulled it off, or are we supposed to pretend Stormblood wasn't equally inspired by Asia, if not more-so.
Your second and third point are some of my biggest gripes of the expansion. Too much Wuk Lamat in the later half and not enough of others and too much telling us instead of being more creative with quests and storytelling to tell us about this continent. In regards to your first point, I thought that was one of the strengths of the expansion, they just didn’t execute it well.
She was designed as a last child, naive protected princess (or? spoilers, spoilers), and was not intended to be part of the race. Until the his brother is bringing the war. Although she was a capable warrior, she didn't have her fight yet. In the great kingdom of her legendary father, she didn't face true conflict except some spar. Contrast to big brother, fight as military leader and bear more burden of glory, she is more like a white sheet. Also, we are welcome to be critistic, since we are also play judge of the race by design even not told. Even more important, these clues need to be lead to find the city of gold, which still be mystery until very last of the race. Those stones proves you got the lesson, but it is how you use it matters.
It’s nothing crazy but also having only completed the 90 quests I’m really enjoying the summer vibe of the xpac and just soaking it all up. The story is nothing to write home about so far but its a vibe. I’m just enjoying the adventure and its been pleasant to be able to mostly throw away a lot of the stuff that came before and jump into something fresh. I also agree it’s weird with the scions. I’m totally down for Krile to have her story but I almost feel like Alphi and Alisaie are just there because they weren’t confident enough to tell a story without them? Like they were worried about people complaining if they didn’t include these characters people had grown attached to. Well I feel like they really aren’t needed here. Their stories are all about told and its time they stepped away from the spotlight. Especially with a smaller scoped story such as this one I think it would add more weight if we had less friends to rely on.
The graphics update and the combat are hard carrying.
The cost of VA is an interesting theory on the scions. As I was going through, my take was that the scions (other than Krile) are only there for duty support purposes. They do have their given reasons for coming along, of course, so it's not completely shoehorned.
Loved my playthrough and enjoying creators make their way through. Thanks Preach for being a cool dude.
I think Wuk Lamat VA did a decent job, I really think its mostly voice direction BUT I would say the character itself needed to take a step back in a lot of places in the story but instead was put in the forefront, mostly on the second part of the MSQ ofc. not gonna say more because of spoilers but I feel like Wuk Lamat had no growth in anyway aside from learning about her people.
Honestly the Pelu Pelu bit just went on for too long. Like sure, "trading up from a paperclip" is a classic concept, but I feel like we didn't need to do this many steps to get it. I felt like I got the concept right away, and then it just became "go here, now go here, now go here" x20. I enjoyed the Hanu Hanu side a lot more, and I'm happy I did that first, but altogether it's a lot of talking and cutscenes and not enough for the player to really do.
Finally something that i can watch, since im doing LVL 95 MSQ´s :D
Hey that's where I'm at as well!
Not a fan of the writing for Wuk Lamat, but in her defense, most kids when i was a kid in high school didn't even know what it was like 2 states over. So if Tural is as big as it is I'd assume not knowing about some places could be understandable.
It's one thing to be a teenager in XXI century (or hell even fantasy/medieval setting) and another to be a child of a ruler. Children of medieval rulers were groomed to rule from a young age. Especially the heir apparent, which in primogeniture based monarchies was the first born... but since this country does a strange trial to determine heir, all the promises are heir apparent.
@@The_Yukkiplenty of children of rulers are incredibly sheltered, especially in 2024
GG!!!!
2 adopted children, 3rd is bloodline born
It's like watching a disney movie.. and the main character isn't likeable. If they focused on krile and erenville it would have been such an easy w for them
cheer up the frogs xD
This is a great breakdown on the frustrations people are feeling thus far. I am glad Yoshi mentioned they're going to play this by ear on how to proceed based on the community feedback. The xpac is nice (I am enjoying it) but it doesn't stand out compared to the competition and there's a lot of RPG competition which is FFXIV's main attraction, the story (not referring to MMOs as FFXIV competes both as an MMO and a story driven RPG which many people log in to play then leave until the next patch). In terms of MMO competition, WoW was kicked on their butt but has since gotten back up. It is time FFXIV makes some changes as well otherwise, the future may be rough. I say this as someone who loved FFXI and has played FFXIV 1.0 / 2.0 onward - They cannot rest on their laurels nor play it safe, that is not how gaming works because that's how people get bored.
I remember back when EW launched someone (I forget who) said that 6.X would be the last time 14’s formula would work. DT confirmed that to be correct. I didn’t hate DT, I’d rate it like a 6.5 or 7/10 but by the end of the MSQ I was just skipping dialogue. CS3 really needs to get their act together when it comes to pacing and quest design at absolute least.
I would super disagree that WoW got back up. Last expac story was very boring and not very well received, like most WoW stories it was full of just stuff tossed around with only the 2nd raid being a decent stand out in terms of actual story and lore and even that was too little.
There were times where Wuk Lamat seemed great and times the english VA fell flat (and not just Wuk Lamat). I think it was a general failure of the localization team. Odd pirate man on the ship at the start, Wuk Lamat's "dramatic" lines during (redacted) which were much stronger in Japanese, and Y'shtola-makes-a-phone-call all being prime examples. I don't blame any of the actors, they all have the necessary range. I wonder if they're allowed to see the scenes they're acting, or any direction at all.
The differences in VA quality imo is more readily apparent in a later zone with the actors with more North American accents. I suspect it's a quality difference in the VA studios CU3 typically uses in the UK versus the ones they used in the US for the North American accented characters.
I don't think Preach has reached some of the areas where a couple of the VAs fall flat but yes, they do in terms of range. Wuk Lamat especially (not the VA's fault, see below) and only because she "fake yells". Like when you are a kid, you know you're supposed to be quiet, but you want to imitate yelling so you "yell" in your talking voice. That's what she does a few times and it's a huge VA / acting sin. That being said, I do not attribute that to the VA. I attribute that to the person directing the VA, they should've directed the VA to shout appropriately and have them re-do it if the first attempt was no good.
don't know who the actor for wuk is but the boss cutscene with her was absolute cringe. pulled me out of the mood immediately
@@simfilesymlink4593I genuinely think that was the worst part of the VA, like I felt there was no range on voice of that dramatic moment on the voice or it was poorly directed, that moment hit way way better on Japanese, I enjoyed Wuk Lamat almost the whole expansion (though it does have some Lyse type of issue, mostly naivety like Preach mentioned).
I Fkn knew something was odd with Yshtola
Okay, video aside... where do I get that G'raha taco shirt?
Also, I don't entirely disagree with your assessment of Wuk Lamat's character, who I disliked at the end of the post-Endwalker stuff. But as for her maturity level, and her lack of knowledge, I think we need to remember that she was likely extremely sheltered as basically a princess, so she's got mad privilege, and she's fairly young (like between 17-19 or something). But I hope you'll be at least a little happy with how some stuff unfolds later. I'm only at the level 94 stuff, taking it way slower than you probably are, but Wuk Lamat HAS grown on me.
Your opinion of Wuk Lamat will define your experience of the expansion. She has more lines than every character combined and has that anime-dub voice acting which is a big contrast to original cast. Still, I enjoy DT overall so much.
While I have no complaints about any of the VA, I do agree that if you don't like the character, you're likely to have a rough time. I completely understand it, but I rather liked Wuk Lamat after getting to know her and enjoyed the overall story a lot.
I loved the story bit i admit that wuk lamat should have a like 10-15% less screen time to give to ither caracter and it would have been perfect
Boy, when i had the misfortune of hearing Wuk Lamats english voice.... HOLY DID I SUDDENLY UNDERSTAND THE HATE SHE IS GETTING. God bless the jp dub.
@@Varichan Wuk's english VA is perfectly fine. there's lots of transphobes who are being shitty towards her.
@@humgoesonforeveryes, but not all critics of her VA are Transphobes, some just genuinely do not like her performance. Be it her acting or the direction, I personally don't like her lines mainly her habit of whisper shouting, it feels forced whenever she has to raise her voice and immediately pulls me out of a scene. Now, listening to other roles the VA has done, she can emote perfectly fine so it seems to be more of a voice direction issue with this performance rather than the actress herself. But people can still criticize her because ultimately it is still her performance.
How many hours did it tske to get to the dungeon 😂.
I don't remember lol
Wuk Lamat is is a sheltered princes who is from what most people can gather is still a teenager (She's said to be around the same age as Alisaie and Alphinaud who despite being more wise now, were not always *cough cough* Crystal Braves), her nativity is natural, all she knows of her land is shallow info and what she has learned from the giant stone tablets and the few times she went out as a literal child. Her personality fits that of a sheltered person who hasn't had to deal with the real world unlike Ryne who may be older than Wuk Lamat (we need lore book confirmation for Wuk) who was raised by 2 warriors for a world of bloodshed and death.
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This. I think this might not have been as clear but I'm fairly sure she does say she has been to the Hanu when she was younger and has never been to Urqopacha. From that, I figure she has basically lived in Tulliyoyal most of her life and has no real understanding of the world outside, and is why she relies so much on Erenville for that.
Agreed, this was missed by some I think. And it is not that uncommon of a trope...or a reality. Royalty were not connected to everyday struggles or culture. And in current times many of the Top 1% are very out of touch with life in their own country/state/city/whatever.
@@JarrenBlake if they missed it, they weren't paying attention. It happened with more than one character, and they even had voiced dialogue multiple times for multiple characters learning how little they know about their people and acknowledging they need to get better with that etc etc
like it's very clear and in your face if you're even remotely paying attention, they were intentionally written this way, and that's why the whole contest was what it was... because the dude knew his kids lmao
They do kinda say that she hasn't been to the Hanu Hanu since she was younger, but I don't remember when they make that clear so he might not be there. She hasn't been to the festival since she was little. She knows the people in the city but not really anyone outside the city. Though SB Lyse didn't bother me so the naive personality isn't a problem for me.
She says it pretty much right away. And mentions the festival during the tour of the city portion before the msq splits.
Yeah, when she says she visited as a younger girl I pretty much took that to mean all of her memories of these areas are from childhood trips with her dad. Lots of people visit a place and think they know the culture because they took a vacation there. They don't.
The biggest change I have seen from the graphical update is the lighting
It gets weirder, at least.
Is there a link to the podcast he's referencing?
The graphic update did my femroe a solid. Her face looks so much less flat.
Lol so weirdly i watched a movie called stardust recently on a whim and it sounds at least like the begining bit is the same plot as that movie kind of wild.... king dying several heirs trying to duke it out and in order to become the king they have to find a pendant that only the royal family can find. it was soundingg eerily similar for minute haha
It's true that I felt a lack of combat in the MSQ, but I still really enjoyed the story when it came to actual story beats. Haven't finished it yet, just about arrived in the 5th area. I would say that it does at times feel like playing through a D&D campaign where the DM is really proud of their lore and wants you to learn EVERYTHING about it. I think a lot of this exposition and deep lore could've been side quest content. Like, it's nice to have, I certainly enjoyed a lot of it, but some of it didn't really need to be in the MSQ.
I enjoyed the character of Wuk Lamat at the very beginning as a fun himbo with a lot of flaws, but the MSQ is RELENTLESS on pushing her to the forefront. People will say that duh, it's her story, but honestly I just wanted some time to chill with the other characters that came with us. Wuk Lamat's VA is mostly fine, except when the scenes require intense emotions which happens more often towards the latter part of the expansion.
The voice crack at the end of the MSQ literally made me lol and took me out of the story completely. That’s the first time since I started playing 14 in 2016 I’ve ever been completely taken out of the story.
@@fredy2041 Nah, Wuk's VA has been weak throughout the whole Msq
@@fredy2041 brother in christ u are literally everywhere
@@fredy2041 If many people are saying the same thing over and over again, they're aren't trolls, you just can't deal with the game you like getting any form of criticism.
interesting that you compare wuk to lyse, i felt this whole expansion remanded me alot of stormblood for reasons both story and gameplay related, over all I think it's better than stormblood but there are some very clear parallels.
Lots of japanese fans hate Wuk; the trans VA isn't a problem outside of a tiny fringe element who will always be there to troll on every single big game
My wife plays the MSQ in French and she doesn't like Wuk Lamat either. It's just a really bad character, even Jessica Hale VA couldn't save it. That said I think my wife's Wuk Lamat sounds better than mine lmao.
The jp forums have pretty much the same issues with the story/charcters/pacing as eng side
The extremely bland delivery in the final trial of wuk lamat's lines was the biggest showing of the limitations of the voice actor likely not being able to still sound female in a scene requiring a high intensity delivery
The voice acting was absolutely fine. Its the writing that is sub par
@moofy69 that is some bullshit mate.
As others have said, Wuk Lamat really did not get out often. She went to the Hanu Hanu village once, specifically for the festival, and she was young at the time. When you're a kid, you perceive everything differently and it's more forgivable for her not knowing the things she hasn't known, imo.
I absolutely agree about the seasickness, though.
Not to bring Politics in here, but I had quite a laugh when you described the Warmonger as being 'more right wing'
This MSQ was sort of weird. So boring in the first two to three zones but I managed to supplement the lack of combat by doing every side quest in the game. As you get closer to the end of the first half you start to get hooked into the characters. The second half honestly has some amazing emotional moments and really feels like the back end of Shadowbringers and Endwalker to me. I’d rate this overall 3rd or 4th. ShB, Endwalker , then HW or DT. The back end made this amazing for me.
I think it was a mess. After nearly 2-3 hours of playing i was literally shouting at my pc 'can i play the f'in game yet?' It was understandable to have hours of cutscenes in endwalker, because it was the end of a massive saga, but the pacing of dawntrail msq was so slow i had to stop playing my main role and go on an alt job and do some dungeons to have some fun.
the start of this MSQ is giving me 'goblin cheese' flashbacks from ARR and the company of heroes arc.
I feel like the "Woke Lamat" thing was a largely contrived attempt at initiating a culture war by a certain ex-Blizzard dev that got zero traction in the wider 'reactionary gamer' community. Criticism seems to largely be centered around voice direction and just general weakness in the plot and characters acting stupid/uncharacteristic.
Correct merely check the reviews and the lack of trans comments.
Your take on Wuk Lamat I think is the biggest gripe people have with her. I found her quite naive, childish and maxing out the false bravado too much! I think she gets better, but they didn't start her at a good point. She should have been more mature at the start.
And no, Woke Lamat is more to do with the 'Victimhood Mentality' I think. Woes Me one moment to the next. It gets better, but I think that might be what it really is. This game is pretty inclusive.
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At some point the V.A. for Wuk got better. Idk if it will keep the quality, but in the last voiced cutscenes Sena did great... Maybe it was lack of conficende in the beginning of the game, idk. But in the last ones she did amazing.
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I didn't knew the EN V.A. for Wuk Lamat was trans.. But I do think the voice acting for her is terrible. It's emotionless, when she "screams" is just awful. It looks like Sena didn't even tried to put some character into it. Look at her alpaca scene in english and then in japanese, you WILL notice what I'm trying to say.
You know when someone need to scream but they are actually a little embarassed so they just speak a little louder? Thats Wuk Lamat screaming in english, someone speaking a little louder.
I hope they invite more trans, gay, non binary voice actors/actresses, I'm really happy to find out they are doing it, but I'm sad that, for me, it was the worst voice acting in the whole game. And sadly, I hope they change Wuk's voice actress for the next expansion, if they would keep her as part of the history moving on.
I think the scions are less relevant because they are basically there as a touchstone. Coming out of endwalker it would be to jarring to have only new characters, imo. Other opinion, Wuk Lamat was basically the best way they could have executed this character, for the trope she is very unannoying, again imo.
What did mike mean when he said squeenix werent "messing with gender"?
I really hope you like the MSQ because this was my least favorite video game story I have ever finished.
I love watching through another players opinion on the story to see how they interpreted it, or if they caught something i didn't. I will say to the point you reached so far i felt like i had to drag through points. My biggest complaint for this expansion is the names of a lot of things i just cant remember, the zones feel like gibberish, characters blended together, i had fun in those places, i just cant tell you what theyre called.
i dont think out of the top of my head i could name any of the zones other than solution 9.
They're based on real names. They are very close to old Inca and native american names. Far from gibberish.
@@Baromunk didn't say it was gibberish, i said it sounded like it. It's not words or spelling I'm use to in the area I'm in. Its similar to When preach talked about Erenville, he had a hard time saying the actual name, not the name Erenville goes by now. The naming scheme and visuals were obvious of their origin, but it doesn't make them any easier to remember or pronounce if you aren't accustom to saying it.
I am nearly done with the story and I don’t really get where the whole “woke lamat” thing is coming from unless it’s about the voice actor being trans and even then i can’t really understand that unless the devs are making a big deal out of employing a trans person which i haven’t heard anything about.
I personally think that wuk lamat as a character is childish, naive, and projects a level of positivity which i have never known to be genuine from any person and as a result the character kind of grates on me, but i haven’t seen anything that i feel fits the label of woke.
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Wuk Lamat's voice at times just seems a bit off. But to the point of the video I had no idea who her voice actress was nor her gender (and to be frank I couldn't care less). It just missed the mark at times then others it was spot on.
To other things: The intro for me felt a bit too long, and I do agree there was an abject lack of fighting in the main for what seemed like the first 3 levels. However, I also took that as them having to set up the new story, let's not forget for all its shoddiness and all its faults, A Realm Reborn is the foundation that Shadowbringers and Endwalker were built upon
I think being a "Lyse" does fit for Wuk Lamat. She literally says at one point that these travels with her father were when she was a child. You think your sons go on vacation and fully understand the culture of a new area? Nah, they are more focused on whatever is "fun". So it's like she has memories from childhood of these people and she interacts with them in the main city. There are a lot of people from different countries in the UK and the U.S., but me going to their shop to buy tacos, sushi, or any other food doesn't really tell me anything deep about their culture. I feel like that's the point of showing these shops to you in the intro - this is all she knows of these people's culture and tries to pretend she knows all about them because she talks to shop keepers. She knows what they like to eat and wear like most tourists.
Also, when the NA VA for Wuk Lamat tells me her character is just dumb? Then I have to believe that is the direction she was given.
I had no idea that Wuk Lamats VA was trans until I saw a post about it, after I finished the MSQ. I don’t care at all that they’re trans. I just simply did not like the characters VA at all, which is rough for a character who gets so many lines, so much screen time, and who is the main protagonist of the expansion.
I don't know if they ever fixed this bug.
If you run Borderless Windowed you have to set it to full screen. Then type in your actual resolution. Hit Apply. Then change it back to Borderless Window. Otherwise the game runs in like 720p or some nonsense. I played for year like that not knowing but it might have finally been patched out. Also use FSR and set the scaling to 99. Looks so much better than DLSS even on a Nvidia card.
I don’t know, man, I thought Wuk Lamat was pretty rad.
Wuk lamat makes lyse look like an amazing character 😂
He somehow still doesnt understand that lyse was only "yda" for a few years.
Generally don't watch reality TV, but I liked The Amazing Race.
I’m pretty sure Wuk mentioned she was raised in the palace and the city and almost never went outside of it to meet the various cultures her whole life. They literally say this so yea she doesn’t know how to talk to anyone. Although why her dad didn’t educate her I have no flipping idea 🤷 also regarding the hanu hanu festival, she said she only went when she was really really young. I think.
I went in the expansion with quite low expectations and by the end was pleasently surprised.
I don't get people who expected Dawntrail to be on the level fo ShB or EW in terms of story and the overall stakes. It's clearly the "ARR" of the new arc (but with much higher production values than ARR), and depending on how the new arc goes over the next few expansions, I expect people to look back at DT as the "weak link" expansion of the new arc.
@@aznhomig I agree, they can't write a new story with no foundation, they put down quite a bit on new tidbits that we can Lach on to and see where that goes from there.
Was the story better that SB or EW, absolutely not but it was better than ARR.
I see this argument being thrown a lot, the setup to a story or story arc doesnt have to be the "weak link"of it, thats dumb.
@@fredy2041 lmao
@@fredy2041 why are you relentlessly commenting on everyone's post lol get a life
It’s always wild to hear how preach has interpreted the story 😅
Wuk Lamat hasnt been gone for a few years... but you know who HAS?! Erenville. and he STILL knows more about the world than her.
That is the point though. Wuk is a sheltered royal who has barely ever left the city. And she knows the city very well. That is shown. Erenville is a world traveler and was a traveler within his homeland even prior to going across the ocean. And they do demonstrate him being somewhat dated on his knowledge at times.
I don’t quite get how no one realizes Wuk Lamat is the sheltered princess. Her naivety is understandable because she only sparsely interacted with the general populace prior to the rite of succession and only interacted with those in Tuliyollal and not the surrounding areas.
Lyse on the other hand had a fair bit of interaction with different people prior to SB. Even though she was masquerading as Yda she was still a Scion and worked with many different people. It was almost like she regressed back to a naive child after she took her mask off
The problem is that her naivety doesn't get challenged and she doesn't really change. She just learns the messages that the electors want her to learn.
And that’s a problem with the whole Succession concept. The Rite is us taking Gulool Ja Ja’s children around and doing what he should have been doing since they were kids. He should have introduced his potential heirs to the people they would rule and their culture from a very early age. Now we have to babysit a sheltered child on this journey.
@@nikkbertschman2200Feels very contrived doesn't it. I've felt myself uttering that multiple times throughout the entire story. Like this one big event didn't have to happen if people just used their brains... All this nonsense could have been avoided if you just "thought" for just a few seconds lol. None of it feels natural at all. Example. Wuk Lamat is supposed to be this gung ho warrior tomboy type who goes on adventures and finds strong opponents, yet she is always losing somehow. And that would be OK if we came in to solve the fight problems that she couldn't since, you know, we beat despair itself...
Wuk Lamat yells like a kid would pretend-yell when playing and thats the only problem i have with her, she sounds like a kid pretending to be in a movie
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Ah i love watching this sweet summer child going thru the MSQ :) i had a lot of the same feeling and expectations for the story and there were some tasty twists that caught me off. and seeing Mike have the same thoughts is great. cant wait to see his takes on the latter half of the story
My problem with Wuk Lamat is that, as a character, she’s bland and boring. Like an unsalted chip. Ya it’ll still feed you but it’s not enjoyable. She’s a background npc given the spotlight.
We’ve already done the sheltered and naive young person with Alphi. We’ve gotten to a point where he has grown and now we get to do it all over again with Wuk.
Plus the Rite is just us doing Galool Ja Ja’s responsibilities that he put off. He should have been introducing his heirs to their people and cultures long before now.
Watching without ad-block to support the channel. Very interested in seeing your thoughts on the new direction of the MSQ as well as the changes to the combat and end-game activities throughout the patch cycle.
Preach theories makes me sad to hear after finishing the msq...
i really enjoy msq
there something that i can say it high quality level same as other expansion and hope you can see it too
i see why people dont like it but to me it not bad as people try to say and a lot of thing is from personal preference too
My dislike of wook lamat is that she can't alter her speaking tone to match the people, place, circumstance, levity, or emotional focus of a scene. she's the same boisterous enthusasm no matter what's happening. it felt to me like the voice actor recorded the lines with no one describing what's happening and not in the presence of any other actors.
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Your opinion on Dawntrail's story is almost entirely going to be based around whether or not you like Wuk Lamat. For me, she was a pretty big disappointment. The VA was fine, not great but better than some of the VAs the side characters get (particularly in Shaaloani), but the whole her story felt like one we've already been told before. Naive, headstrong, and a little bit dumb girl with grand ambitions for peace for her people who eventually develops into a competent leader through her story sounds a lot like Lyse's character arc.
I think the pacing is also pretty bad in this one. The pacing for ffxiv has never been great, not even in ShB (I'm looking at you trolley quests), but there is so much fluff in this story. Having the same amount of cutscenes as EW while telling a much simpler story leads to these filler scenes that really should have been replaced or at the very least cut.
I don't know if this worth mentioning, but I've never felt like FFXIV was a game where I'd ask "WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT ASKING QUESTIONS" before. The Scions and Erenville in particular gloss over some things that should be priority number 1 only for them to come back later and ask at a random moment.
Thanks for reading me vent about DT. I did still enjoy it for what it's worth, but it's the least enjoyable MSQ for me since ARR. The EXs are aces though, very excited for savage.
How much you wanna bet that the vast majority of the people in the comments saying "I switched to JP voices because it's sooooo much better" don't actually speak a single word of Japanese.
I don't speak Japanese but it was a hell of a lot more bearable.
16:30 I have to disagree with this bit a little. They make it quite clear that Wuk Lamat is quite sheltered, shes clearly spent most of her life in the city, only occasionally venturing to the surrounding regions. So while she "knows" her people she doesn't really know their customs and stuff like that. She knows what she has been told, but doesn't have firsthand experience. This also kinda makes sense since she seems to not vibe with most forms of transportation in Tural which is kinda funny.
It's annoying for sure, but I would say it fits the narrative. In my opinion at least.
The city is full of other cultures of the land. The only peoples that are absent are the giants. She would have spoken to the other peoples and she should have been educated about them through her life - unless she just ungabunga warriored her whole life.
@@anyroad5455 If you lived in a city with a high population of japanese, read about japanese culture and customs, do you think you would be prepared for anything that came your way when you then went to Japan and knew everything about Japanese people and culture?
@@anyroad5455No it's not, we make a point to invite people to capital because their cultures have never been experienced outside of their villages.
To be fair a lot is people cant read properly and much of the details they crave have already been mentioned.
She do mention several time her childhood was sheltered and she did visit the festival when she was really young of corse she will only remember the festival and not much other then that. The dialog even tells how young this nation is all and the retelling of what her father did is broad strokes and dont tell details of each part of the story not how he and his friends did it all to unit so many cultures into one empire. this is a growing up story and not all problems can be solved by going fight sexual all the time.
Yeah your definitely right, people only dislike the MSQ because they played it wrong, not just because they have different opinions. If the MSQ was good for you thats great, others disagree and that's fine too.
@@slashthedancingwalrus1510 Look, you can disagree, but often when people bring up points they say things that make people like me go "Did you skip half the MSQ?"
Wuk Lamat and Erenville are odd because they dont sound like their own citizens to me. I eill say the voices are fine outside a few scenes were her voice direction just goes out the window. But its still passable. Her personailty of being second Lise is a bit weird especially when she had just met you for the first time she left home. She really should not be so naive. She is also supposed to be a powerful warrior so with that and her personality, I cant help but think it was just for the niche gap moe trope with a powerful warrior but who is childish.
I looked into when i originally beat the MSQ and one of the writers did a romcom light novel with a ditzy protag so I feel some lf that rubbed off onto Wuk lamaht.
I would say more but i dont want to influence opinion in anyway if Preach happens to read these. I'll probably just comment on later videos.
Wuk is naive toward some (all?) of the cultures because she was basically (a) sheltered (princess) and almost never left Tuliyollal. That's also why she's kind childish. That being said, I agree that some part could've been better integrated, specially with the player even as a mentor role. Fair review 👍
You are right, I wish they made that more apparent though. It is hinted at that she is kinda pampered which is why the people expect little from her, because they know she doesn't understand the world outside of the palace.
Yeah, they also explicitly say It (multiple times) in game too
@@krae6695 When she shows such deep attachment to her wet nurse/ foster mother, when she constantly tells to herself that she is NOT feeling what she is clearly, visibly feeling in a scene, when she constantly repeats what she is going to be - those are all very clear tells of a childish character trying to convince themselves. Absolutely nobody treats her seriously as the crown princess in the beginning, whereas they were fawning over her brothers. That shows that she is clearly not popular or even established among the people as anyone that amounts to something. And while she displays clear intimate knowledge of the capital, she knows very little outside it aside from the Hanuhanu village because that's where the festival is.
She's very literally a courtyard child that has only seen what her parents showed her and where she had gone on vacation in. All the rest of the time, she's just been running around the capital, being a more endearing, much less problematic Prince Harry. It's not hinted at - it's pasted all over a giant billboard.
@@fredy2041you can give me a backstory for why you dont wear socks with your shoes. That may not change my opinion on your choice.
@@fredy2041 you've been in literally every dawntrail review video doing damage control, kinda sad at this point
I hop around to games a lot between (GW2 and WoW mainly, in that order), but I was so happy to try FF14 during the Shadowlands xpac and experience the story. I played all through Endwalker's base xpac but didn't do the post xpac story yet (I've seen videos online of some gothy looking lady that seems really cool), but I'll probably hold off on doing that and picking up Dawntrail until I hear there is a good backlog of story to work through. The instance content is fun, but as fun as it was it seemed hard to get into any groups beyond the lower level stuff so I just view it as my "story game" now that I will check out periodically -- so, in that sense, I am happy to hear there are a lot of cutscenes haha
Wuk 1 hour in: peace and friends!
Wuk 10 hours in: peace and friends!
Wuk at end of MSQ: peace and friends!
Indeed. Though that also describes an overarching theme of the game in general. I mean it is the 'Power of friendship' MMO. What that in Reborn, ShB, EndWalk, and so on.
Skillfully ignored the fact that she fights, when peace and friends is not an option
I liked the Dawntrail MSQ, though there are some definite gripes I have about it. Overall though, I think they just had too little battle content. I think most of the complaints about Wuk Lamat, voice acting, and all that stuff, would've been less pronounced if we at least had more content to break up the monotony of "go here to talk to X. now go here to talk to Y. now go back to talk to X." every single quest. we just needed a bit more time to be with ourselves and being the hero/adventurer/WoL.
I wonder what percentage of MSQ objectives start with, or are entirely the phrase "Speak with Wuk Lamat"
wuk lamat never left the capital before travelling to sharlyan
Eorzea was also very culturally diverse and it didn't manage to bore me to tears like Tural did.
ARR really had you more excited than Tural? 😂 lets at least be honest here
@@flipnskater Yes, primal hunting and the dawn of the ascian plot was more interesting than Alpacas and glorified beast tribe quests.
@@garolymar You're right. Delivering cheese was so much more interesting.
@@Hailtothegun Can't tell if you're describing the first 20 hours of Dawntrail or not.
@@fredy2041 I literally explained why I liked ARR more than Dawntrail to the first person who replied to me. If you all want to make excuses for a middling expansion a decade after they had to revive their dying mmo and having 4 good expansions under their belt, go ahead and stay delusional.