THIS is How You Sharpen a Saw Blade! | WD Quinn Shop Tour
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- Опубликовано: 29 июл 2017
- Have you ever wondered how the professionals sharpen a table saw blade? I visited WD Quinn Saw Co for another American Made Shop Tour and took a look at how the pros sharpen table saw blades. Quinn Saw uses cutting edge German automated sharpening machines to quickly and precisely sharpen tables saw blades to their former glory. They also make blades to take your woodworking to that next level. In fact, I am giving one away, with the Wood Work LIFE logo on it!
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These guys are doing way way way more than sharpening. They are manufacturing the blades back to factory specification.
Not bad for 10$
Not quite they missed 1 step, at least not shown in the video. Side checking, sometimes the steel gullet the carbide is brazed (not soldered) to gets bent. They should be checking that the blades steel body is inline before grinding the kerf. If you grind the kerf first but a tooth is bent, you won't be able to restore the kerf. It's a minor oversight, that is usually not required.
Leatherman,
All blades are checked for any damage to both the tips and the saw blade body. We have all the latest measuring instruments to check for bent shoulders and side clearances.
That's good to hear maybe I missed that part in the video. I'm guessing you work their. I wasn't trying to criticize the work you guys are doing, you guys do it right unlike so many others I've seen. Can I ask on a blade with regular wear, how much you're removing from the tops+faces? Again just out of curiosity. Also what kind of coolant are you running, oil or emulsion? If you take the time to answer I appreciate it, if not no worries. When it comes to tooling sometimes I nerdgasm, don't even get me started on diamond tooling haha. Again you guys do great work, I personally wouldn't hesitate to send a saw blade to you guys. Do you service all kinds of tooling, or just saw blades?
Leatherman
We remove about 0.2mm on the top and face of the blade on normal dull blades. All our grinders use oil coolant that is filtered with a Transor filter system.
Do you still work at Leitz?
Bill
I used Belsaw and Foley machines over 40 yrs ago . Mostly steel blades. Its all carbide now
I am also pleasantly surprised by this video. Great information, straight to the point!!!
Thanks for posting!:)
Thanks, I love these guys and just wanted to share how blades are properly sharpened.
Good stuff, really interesting process. Thanks. Cheers, David
Wow, neat stuff! Their machinery is very impressive. Pro shop.
Thanks for the video Rick, I am going to give these guys a try. I have 3 Forrest blades that are in need of sharpening and this place looks very impressive. Thanks for all you do!!!
Thank you! Ya these guys are great give them a try!
very good job done .interesting process keep it up thank you
That was really cool! I will have too keep this place in mind for the future.
+Jack Brennan thanks for checking it out
I like watching your videos. I'm new at working with wood I thanks for time and show. Great job 👍
After spending nearly 20 years in a mill saw shop I seen a few minor errors in your commentary. The flux is not to protect the steel it is to clean the steel and allow the solder to stick to the tooth and saw blade. The sliver they use is not copper but silver solder. The equipment that this shop has is the envy of any sawfiler. All top notch state of the art. All in all a good video.
Thanks Dan, they told me the pieces they used to glaze the carbide onto the blade was as sliver of copper rather than silver solder. Flux is above my pay grade so you are probably right on that one. I think this why they had to regrind the blades after glazing on new teeth.
@ DAN HUNIK - silver solder? I think brazing bud. Thus the yellowish copper look.
Flux is to clean the steel and protect it from oxidizing before the brazing.
Very educational thank you very much I,v learnt a lot
These guys are in my town. Never knew about them. I'll be visiting with all my crap blades soon! Thanks!
Nice! Glad I could introduce you :)
Had to share this video with my dad. Awesome video!
Thanks so much! Glad you liked it
I sent two 10" 60-tooth blades to Quinn in January 2018. They are still honoring the discount. The two blades were from our makerspace's miter and table saws. They got a lot of use from a lot of newbies. Teeth full of pine plaque, some scratches and rust. Quinn cleaned them up real nice, replaced two teeth (I think from the table saw blade, a Freud, because I maybe might have dropped it once) and they burned our logo on them. They look great! I'm giving them a test spin tomorrow.
Nice! Glad I could help you find out about them. Really cool family business!
Not to be back handed, but that was way more interesting than I expected!
+YouCanMakeThisToo glad you liked it man! What are you busy with? How is that table coming?
Wood.Work.LIFE. At this moment I have a boy in my lap and one climbing on my head, haha, toddler parent life. But mostly the table and squeezing in some turning to prep for a show. Expect to see oil going on the table on IG this week.
+YouCanMakeThisToo nice been there! My two little ones keep me in line.
Friggen crazy, unbelieveable the amt of money that shop has in machines.......was impressed and not expecting to see that much sophistication
Very cool video man ! I liked it alot!
Glad you liked it, stick around for more cool videos.
Awesome, come a long way since I was a sawfiler.
This is awesome.
It looks like they do an awesome. 👌
After watching this, I no longer desire to sharpen my own blades.
You and me both!
Thanks for the info 👍🏾
Love the picture of Norm in the office!
Real master job
Very very very informative
Wow! I had no idea saw sharpening shops like that existed. I imagined some guy in a dusty basement or garage working with those old Foley "Make Money from Home" sharpening machines. That equipment must cost a fortune and they must be sharpening a hell of a lot of blades at 10 bucks a pop to pay for that level of automation. Thanks for sharing!
Pretty awesome right?
@@WoodWorkLIFE yess
WOW, I would never have guessed so much automation would be involved in fixing up a used blade......simply amazing
Pretty cool isn't it
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Thanks! Very informative.
It was a ton of fun.
just stumble across this, very interesting great video.
+WilBri Lowry thanks! These guys were really awesome. I just screwed up my blade on some random hardened piano hinge. I need to bring it back to them already :(
Amazing!
When I walked into the shop for the first time I knew I needed to make this video.
Very interesting thanks for sharing
+Mikhandmaker thanks
I love when you tour other shops
Awesome thanks, Any you would recommend? It is a lot of work to coordinate, but I love doing them. Meeting the people that run these things is great, I wish I had more of crew and was a better film maker to capture just how interesting the people are at these places.
Wood.Work.LIFE. they still are great!
Very impressed.
Thanks man, this was a really cool saw shop, I love the work they do.
Respect and wow
The purpose of flux in brazing is to keep oxygen out of the joint, same as with soldering and welding. It has nothing to do with warping.
Like the picture of norm on the wall
One word: IMPRESSIVE.
Those guys are awesome, I wish I could've captured more about just how cool the Quinn family is. My filmaking skills let me down.
fascinating
Way cool... Good job with the dialogue since there was no good audio. I did not realize sharpening a saw blade was so technical. Keep up the good work
Thanks Ryan! It was really cool to see how it is done properly, there are so many videos out there about "hacking it" With how thin the carbide is on most midrange saw blades, you are just going to screw it up and maybe make it slightly less dull, but not really "sharp"
hi there real good show john
cool video man
+L Miranda thanks, it was a lot of fun to make.
Nice to see a sliver of a dying art. Thanks for the professional video
Thanks brother. Which dying art is that?
Repair vs replace
Gotcha, I am not one to waste so I always like to get my blades resharpened. Plus, it makes me happier to have a super nice blade on my saw, rather than a crappy one that cuts crappy for its entire limited life.
@@WoodWorkLIFE Where I live they have the trade-a-blade system that refurbs blades instead of recycling them. It's a pretty good program, although the initial purchase is a bit pricey.
Nice to see Rob the Robot has stayed employed after all these years. ;)
He works hard to keep his little robot kids fed.
I liked your channel! One more subscriber ! Of Brazil
+David Rodrigues I need to start making my videos in Portuguese. Welcome to the Wood Work LIFE family!
Wood.Work.LIFE.
It would be very good for us! The americas techniques are much better than ours. Our wood works are summarized in mdf
Watching American videos with caption would be like taking classes at a woodworking school
+David Rodrigues please share my videos with your friends in Brazil. I would love if my channel ever gets big enough to transcribe in Spanish or Portuguese. I speak Spanish fluently, and I know some people who could help me out with Portuguese.
Wood.Work.LIFE.
Yes, I'll share
Massively impressive! the world needs to adapt to this technology culture .. less throwaway, more recalibrate/restore. This is awesome and it really makes you wonder why so much stuff is thrown out (low quality I fear) - in the good old days, everything could be fixed/reground etc. Even yer average car owner wouldn't think twice about having a 'rebore' on his (sorry yes it was mostly men then) car engine cylinders - nowadays that's pretty much unheard of (outside of vintage circles). These guys are amazing and show what modern tech can bring to the world today .. bring it on!
I know right! Such a cool company, such a cool process, such good people. For 10$ for a resharpening of a rip blade totally worth it. One of the problems I see in todays culture is the most expensive things people own are disposable technology. You can't pass your ipad down to your kids. BUY NICE FURNITURE, BUY GOOD TOOLS, BUY WELL MADE HOMES! Don't keep upgrading the next piece of trash. Hell BUILD YOUR OWN COMPUTERS.
I work for a saw sharpening company. We do some of the biggest sawmills in NC, SC.
Too cool! Do you guys use the same machines?
This is like a day spa for worn out saw blades.
Wow!
I grew up with my dads business B-Z Cutter Grinding Services.
He shut that down in the early 80s because he couldn't make ends meet.
Found out years later his middle man represented himself as the machinist .
Wondered why his middleman bought a show quality Corvette and started 3 other business while my dad went under.
He had huge contracts from Rockwell before they moved to Tenn.
He also did some work
Woah. I'm really, really sorry to hear such a terrible story. I'm sorry that happened to your family. I'm so mad just having read that. If only people put as much effort into honest work as they do at cheating people....
@@TheDesertRat31 the most talented craftmen often are bad at running a business. You see it happen all the time and it is a shame indeed.
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 getting duped by a con man doesn't mean he was a poor businessman.
@@TheDesertRat31 a good business man does not let his business depend on a middleman.
I am not trying to be an ass here, it happens all the time and i completely understand how and why it happens.
But things like this don't happen to savy business people that spend most of their time building and promoting their business and are proactive with it.
Craftsman generally just want to do what they are good in and enjoy and the rest is just obligatory extra stuff that has to be done as well. Often lack a lot of knowledge as well.
And sadly enough that also opens someone up to be taken for a ride by these leeches.
No matter how you look at it, that does not fit the discription of a savy business person...
And that is perfectly fine. They are mostly assholes anyway ;).
Anyway, just my personal observation.
You are always free to disagree.
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716and Bob C., please tell us the way that scoundrel may have operated. Offering too little to the source, Brian's dad, and then doubling or so the price to end customer?
Hi, nice video! Does the blade/carbide require any heat treating after the brazing proses?
No, It's ready to grind after brazing.
The heat is centered on the carbide tooth and not the steel body of the tool. The heat is so slight that if done quickly like done in the video, it will not affect the temper on the steel.
Another good reason to run that blade through the surface grinder is that for blades that cut through copper, Aluminum, and even stainless. Those types of metals are very gummy and stick to the blades body. It Is necessary to grind the body as not of interfere with the clamping in their chd's.
thats some great stuff
the arts of how we once did that by hand the old fashioned way now in a throw away society we forgot the ways of old
I my self will like to learn how to sharpen a metal cutting circular blade by hand you mentioned a great many things here about angles and thats the precision part of making it work right or a peace of scrap if you know of any learning sights or have any thing that you can share I am all ears
It is so cheap to have it done by professionals like this I highly recommend sending it to a shop. The payoff costs of buying equipment to do it properly yourself (even basic equipment) would take 1000s of sharpenings to pay for itself. It is only $10 to get a 40 tooth blade sharpened.
@@WoodWorkLIFE Where I live there are no sharpening shops. The cost in shipping to a shop is more expensive than buying a new blade. I hate to be part of the throw away culture, but the only thing I could do, is stack up the used blades and take them with me when I am ever near a shop that does the work (like in this video).
Like OP said, would be nice to know the old, by hand method of sharpening. They had to do it that way, so there is definitely a way to do it. Is it practical? Maybe not.
I do envy you Americans, it might be because I’m a newbie and not found where all our suppliers etc are, but you seem to have so much more than we do it the UK. But there seems to be more respect for creatives in general in The States, I find its very much the same in photography and I’m definitely not a newbie there.
That is part of the journey, you need to find a good hardwood dealer you can trust, and visit often. You need to find out the tools you need and where to oggle at them and in some cases who can maintenance them (if you don't learn or can't do it yourself.) You need to figure out what kind of woodworker you want to be...cabinet maker, furniture maker, carpenter, finish carpenter, framer, mill wright, turner...or some combination of all of the above. You need to find a few masters or at least very good woodworkers you can learn from, be them online or preferably in person. You can only get so far on your own, EVEN WITH THE INTERNET
Cool. Robots sharpened my table saw blade...!!!
Bleep blorp...yes they did
What was the site for a chance to win a sawblade?
Cool tour! I may be missing something, but I can't find the link?
Oops, I ran into a little copyright flag issue and had to quickly reupload. Must not have copied the whole description...updated now :)
Those germans aye!
Ze Germans...always so much precision...
wow
I prefer to use pre-tinned carbide replacement tips.
Bryce, We use both pre-tinned and tri metal shims to braze the tips on the blades.
Cmon! Not too many shops? There are tons of shops. Im own one of them. I am just as accurate and competitive. Thats a bold statement.
Are you in St Louis?
I own one also, in Phila.
What type of wax is used in the blade protection process?
We now use a clear plastic tube around the saw blade for protection
Good vid. So how much does a typical 40T table saw blade cost to have sharpened?
+legalsolutions07 10$ as long S the teeth aren't all gnarly
I'm sure tooth configuration matters as well. WZ or "ATB" blades are cheaper to sharpen then FZ/TR or "Triple Chip" blades.
@@WoodWorkLIFE that isn't to bad.
Their Vollmers are fancier than the one i operate.
This is one of the most impressive facilities and families I have ever met!
So, for smaller blades like 7 1/4 and 10" is it worth it to send it for sharpening and pay shipping plus sharpening rather than just buying new one?
Seems like 10" may be cost effective but when a new Diablo 7 1/4 cost $10-$15 I'm not sure
7-1/4 blades are pretty much throw away these days. Even some 10" blades are not worth repairing if you break some tips out.
That is why you're seeing many videos on using an angle grinder with any diamond blade mounted to a fixture- one last gasp from the disposable before it goes to the scrapman. You won't get first use quality, but if you want a blade for sawing mystery lumber it's a good way to go actually.
@@BeachsideHank for most hobby stuff that is good enough.
Price list:
quinnsaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Quinn-Saw-Price-List-2014-CT.pdf
Cheaper then i expected
Ya, they are fantastic. It is a great family business that does fantastic work.
So what does this cost? Is it worth it for most blades or just high end?
10$ for a 40T blade. Worth it is the blades worth it. So probably not like cheap 3 pack blades.
so how much per blade? interesting to find out if is worth it
10"x 40 tooth $10.00 10"x 60 $15.00
Bill Zickel thanks
Looking to sharpen a blade for the first time. The first video was a guy with an angle grinder mounted in a homemade wood jig. The next video was this one. I am NOT going to sharpen my own blades. LOL.
Ha ha. Ya those angle grinder do something...I’m not sure it’s “sharpening”
How much on average eny idea
You ever done any first fix carpentry ?
I have done plenty of it but not on the channel...Is that something you would be into? I was thinking about doing a series about some second fix stuff in restoring and rehanging wood windows...It is certainly going to be part of Wood.Work.LIFE but those projects can be collosal undertakings. Maybe when you guys let me quit my day job?
Wood.Work.LIFE. if you don't mind me asking what is your day job
So what are you saying exactly? My HF grinder cant do that? You think its somehow inferior?
Ummm...ok. Maybe if I could get some wax around the teeth? He he...
Great vid, really cool to see those machines, and learn how much automation is involved setting it up for autonomous work at night. I kind of geeked out watching ti!
Lol, glad you understood where I was coming from..these guys are fantastic.
Wood.Work.LIFE. For sure. Believe it or not, I can't find a place like that in the Seattle area! Of all places, timber country, shipyards, cabinet shops galore....
@@markmac4596 that's super weird...the shipping might eat it but you can ship to these guys.
@@markmac4596 Try looking up Eastside Saw in Bellview Wa.
So how does flux prevent warping??
The copper piece prevents warping, it conducts the heat into the blade.
the flux helps the copper flow to the tipseat of the saw. also helps (visually) the braze line by cutting out the oxygen.
Load up blades and they run all night ?
I just opened my sharpening service a few months ago. This is the type of video that makes me want to buy more equipment and flat out quit, all at the same time.
I'm sure you will do fine, these guys have been around 100+ years.
@@WoodWorkLIFE Just gotta get me some clientele built up! Talk about a long journey!
@@partypickle1015 Where are you located?
@@markmac4596 North Platte, Nebraska
$10.00? Wow.
I don't want you to give it to me, I'll buy it
+Eddie Espinosa Do you think I should sell these?
how many takes did that line take? haha
oh...just 12...13 maybe :)
I assumed so. I tried saying it a few times and gave up. Great video, very fascinating and captivating!
Thanks so much, glad you liked it! I hope you subscribed for more, and if so, welcome to the family!
I've been subbed for a month or so, keep up the great content!
I wonder what they charge to sharpen a 12 inch blade
10-12$. Give em a call, tell them I sent you.
Prices are by the number of teeth in your saw blade. Up to 40 teeth is $10.00 up to 60 is $15.00 80 is $20.00
Nice video , The only negative thought I have about all the automation is it creates a future society that doesn’t know how to sharpen their own tools my father cut hair for 30 years and he was the only one who would sharpen his scissors and razor blades I laugh now as my barber uses disposable straight blades and has a guy pick up his scissors every week As I’m pretty sure he doesn’t know how to do it himself whereas my old man would come home from a full day and spend most of the evening in our garage sharpening ? He actually had 30 year old razor blades that worked like the day he bought them ?
I sharpen my hand tools by hand, but saw blades are made by a machine, setup by a machine, and run by a machine. No reason to lower the precision and honestly the sharpness by doing by hand.
I own a small sharpening and repair business, so I agree with the comment about all the automated machinery for we do it all by hand. Although some days having a Automatic sharpener would be nice 😜 but knowing how do to it without is extremely important.
WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY!!
Why spend hours doing it yourself manually if the technology exists to do it better and faster. And probably lasts longer.
Time is also a cost factor. Especially if it cuts into your off time you could spend with family or just doing something fun or whatever.
One guy sharpening a carbide tipped blade by hand, or a cnc machine, which people have to design,build, assemble, from materials that people need extract/process, and when the machine is done it needs to be shipped, installed, operated, and serviced, by people. And then it provides a superior quality product, substantially more affordable than that one guy doing it by hand.
Puts his patreon link twice but no hyperlink to the blade sharpening website. The fuck
It's right there in the desription in the first paragraph...RUclips doesn't let you put them on the end screen, only approved websites...thats the fuck :) I love www.QuinnSaw.com though, they are great dudes and you should check them out at Quinnsaw.com www.quinnsaw.com
impressive to say the least. but with these amazing expensive machinery it must cost more to sharpen one blade than the actual price of the new blade.
It's 10$, super economical.
@@WoodWorkLIFE . no sir not in houston. years ago i checked few places and it was close to 28. if send out
of town then shipping and cost also came close to that or little higher. no telling how expensive it is now.
There you go. I just checked these guys, it's $20 for 80 tooth + shipping. that's about 30 at least.82-100 is $25
Not copper. Silver solder.
It is copper, that way you can braise, not solder, carbide with steel
I've always loved that term "Silver Solder" haha. The only difference between soldering and brazing is temperature. If your filler metal liquefies over 450°C you are brazing, at or under 450°C you are soldering. The term "Silver Solder" makes no sense since all silver based alloys melt well above 450°C. If you're using silver you are definitely brazing.
I'm a retired Saw Filer. I've silver soldered thousands of tips. I've never once heard of soldering tips on with copper (brass yes). Most of our tips were pre-tinned with silver solder and we had silver solder rod for other jobs. We used a oxy/acet torch to braise them on, so I'm sure the temperature was well over 450. The term Silver Solder must be a misnomer. Never had a way to check the temperature, just put black flux on the notch and heated and pushed the tip into that notch. By the way, Vollmer is one of the most accurate grinders I've ever used.
Is that a Vollmer UH6? My old enemy haha. Not all professional sharpening is created equal, it's nice to see them checking the kerf. Also different grades of carbide require different feed speeds, these guys seem to know what they are doing. I work for Leitz Tooling and I approve this video. Anyone who finds this interesting, some more viewing pleasure. ruclips.net/video/pkIYJPHhC6Y/видео.html
Couldn’t tell you, but these guys are too legit. You could use your blade to do a surgical procedure after getting it back from these guys.
Generally speaking a blade cuts better after being sharpened once. Also lots of cheaper blades can be made to cut better then factory with a good quality sharpening. If you're in Canada a good company to deal with is Royce Ayr. Send your blades to a top notch service center like Lietz, and you'll get great cut quality and long life on a budget. If you're in America get some Forrest saw blades and send them out to get serviced. I see lots of these budget blades and with a proper service they'll cut just fine.
Leatherman,
It is a Vollmer CHD 270/CHF 270 service center. Also CHD 251 service center
That seems right. I don't do much in the way of carbide servicing anymore, but I remember the Vollmer loaders well. Certainly more advanced then the old manual setup CHP/CHC machines. But something to be said about a good hand job if you ask me personally.
Leitz is the best reshapfening tct and diamond sawblade and cutter profil
Looks like it'd be cheaper to buy a new blade. I cannot imagine this service being reasonable.
10$ for a rip blade
changing out tips and re sharpening is not that time consuming. a tip costs cents.
motor.
+Barry Campbell motor?
U can sharpen your own blades with a rusty file
.fingerjointbit
???
not to be an idiot, but rather realistic: is this really worth it? seems expensive af. dotn get me wrong, it seems superb and all, but I feel son thing this cutting edge should be donde on like batches of "discarded" blades that stores could collect, rather than on a client-by-client basis, like, it doesnt seem that sustainable, is it?
Super sustainable...it is all automated. They sharpen stacks of blades overnight every night. A high quality consumer blade is 100+$ a high quality custom blade for manufacturing can be 1000s. These are not disposable bits. Why throw away a 1000 dollar blade for a sharpening and 20$ worth of carbide?
Looks like a lot of expensive equipment. If the sharpening cost approaches the cost of a new blade.....
A little bit of Arithmetic. A guy walks into a saw shop and asks the sharpener how much he charges to sharpener a 24-tooth carbide saw blade? The sharpener replies “ We charge 1cent to sharpen the first tooth, 2cents to sharpen the second tooth, 4cents to sharpen the third tooth, 8 cents for the fourth tooth etc, the price is doubled for each tooth =16 cents, 32cents, 64cents for the seventh tooth etc. So work out how much a 24 tooth saw would cost to sharpen.
My brain doesn't math good
$83,886.08 Am I Right
yes let's take a $15 harbor freight blade and turn it into a $2,000 operation... take your $9 harbor freight angle grinder put a diamond blade on it screw it down to your table put a couple screws in that table put one tooth and one screw slide it in when the other side hits the bottom of the screw the bottom of the tooth that tooth has been sharpened cost me nothing
Did you really just state these guys are at the "cutting edge" of sharpening technology?
Did I? :D
Just buy a cheap Harbor Freight $100 sharpener and you are all set!